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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: PeterMarshallFan on November 10, 2003, 02:25:24 PM
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Just when we thought that the "all kinds of gaming programming" thing might not happen after all.....
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031110/lam083_1.html (http://\"http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031110/lam083_1.html\")
Can't they leave this to ESPN? I guess it's better than the video game block, but still.....
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Well...
I must say, it's one thing to try and change your network's brand identity. It's another matter entirely to put on programming that's unique and watchable (I won't badmouth SpikeTV anymore purely because of Most Extreme Elimination Challenge), as opposed to programming that's just following every other trend that's prominent.
Good lord. BLACKJACK?! Poker's interesting to watch because you get to get into the player's heads. We all know that the players you see on these shows all know the odds down to minute details. I can't see how a Blackjack tourney isn't going to be A) masses of interchangeable players following the standard tables of when to hit and when to stand, or B) card counters upon card counters. Poker's at least a game of psychology at the top echelon. What makes experts playing Blackjack watchable?
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[quote name=\'Speedy G\' date=\'Nov 10 2003, 01:08 PM\'] Poker's at least a game of psychology at the top echelon. What makes experts playing Blackjack watchable? [/quote]
Perhaps, but without good announcers it's still painfully boring TV. Maybe the blackjack announcers will find a way to explain why it's interesting.
As is my usual policy, I'll reserve my criticism until I've seen it.
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Maybe if they had Wink M. ask questions before the players can get the cards and they got Elaine Stewart to deal.....
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Having played some tournament blackjack at the local casinos (I made the final table exactly once and won $250) let me tell you, I'm not optimistic.
About the only difference between that and regular casino blackjack is that you'll see some plays that aren't in the regular "basic strategy" (splitting 10's, etc.) to get more money on a short-term basis. And there aren't that many good card counters to really be experts. Blackjack is much more of a "luck" game than poker, of course; even card counters can have bad runs of cards (their success comes in knowing when to leave).
The luck element may be about the same as on "Gambit," even more if they're using multiple decks (the release didn't say). And really, even in tournament play, what your opponent does is of little relevance to what you do with your own cards.
Then again, it could work. Besides, it's better than if they did a show based on that big wheel in the casino...what's that called again? Wheel of...something...
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Oh boy, that sounds fun. Is there anyway that we can have Cronin impeached?
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Nov 10 2003, 05:51 PM\']Oh boy, that sounds fun. Is there anyway that we can have Cronin impeached?[/quote]
Would you rather have the previous management's "Burt Luddin's Love Buffet," "DJ Games" or "Hell Yes I'm a Redneck!" instead?
I thought so.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Nov 10 2003, 07:50 PM\'] [quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Nov 10 2003, 05:51 PM\']Oh boy, that sounds fun. Is there anyway that we can have Cronin impeached?[/quote]
Would you rather have the previous management's "Burt Luddin's Love Buffet," "DJ Games" or "Hell Yes I'm a Redneck!" instead?
I thought so. [/quote]
At least those were game shows, albeit bad ones......
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That, then, boils us down (at 350degree heat for 30 minutes) to the $64,000 Question.
Would you (meaning the reader of this question) rather watch a really bad game show, or a Above-Meh Blackjack show,
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Nov 10 2003, 09:50 PM\'] That, then, boils us down (at 350degree heat for 30 minutes) to the $64,000 Question.
Would you (meaning the reader of this question) rather watch a really bad game show, or a Above-Meh Blackjack show, [/quote]
I'll have a reserved seat in the TTD90 room for the slot in which this airs. Patrick Wayne is funi. :-P
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Didn't I call that somthing like this would happen a few weeks ago? My worst nightmares are coming true.
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[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Nov 10 2003, 09:54 PM\'] Didn't I call that somthing like this would happen a few weeks ago? My worst nightmares are coming true. [/quote]
Your worst nightmare involves a tv station?
I hope you are using the phrase figuratively and not objectively.
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This gives GSN more exposure plus they're following a trend in which several networks have or are trying to capitalize. ESPN/ESPN2 reruns The World Series of Poker ad nauseum (and I watch every time because, as someone said earlier, it's a great mental game). The Travel Channel has The World Poker Tour, which I was every time for the same reason. Bravo will have a Celebrity Poker Tournament of some sort, which will start airing in the next month or two.
GSN's just jumping on the bandwagon, even though the game of choice is very bland compared to No Limit Texas Hold 'Em, IMHO.
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QUOTE (whampyl03 @ Nov 10 2003, 09:54 PM)
Didn't I call that somthing like this would happen a few weeks ago? My worst nightmares are coming true.
Your worst nightmare involves a tv station?
I hope you are using the phrase figuratively and not objectively.
I don't get out much, so that statement is more slanted toward objectively rather than figuratively.
Switching back on topic...
Have we entered game-related Hell yet?
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To think ... last week we were all applauding GSN for adding more classics to the schedule, especially after the November 17th changes. I guess we all have to accept the fact that GSN will never be purely just game shows anymore.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 09:11 AM\'] To think ... last week we were all applauding GSN for adding more classics to the schedule, especially after the November 17th changes. I guess we all have to accept the fact that GSN will never be purely just game shows anymore. [/quote]
What made you think GSN is about game shows?
If you'd read their press release, you'd know they say over and over that
Game Show Network (GSN) is the only U.S. television network dedicated to game-related programming and interactive game playing.
Try saying that with a straight face. :-p
Do people playing interactively on their computers watch the commercials, or spend time looking at their computer monitors during the commercials?
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 08:02 AM\'] Do people playing interactively on their computers watch the commercials, or spend time looking at their computer monitors during the commercials? [/quote]
I bet at least a few of them do, and that's all that matters. Even if they don't, as long as they glance once or keep the audio up so it can be heard, the product imprint is made.
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[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 01:00 AM\'] I don't get out much, so that statement is more slanted toward objectively rather than figuratively.
Switching back on topic...
Have we entered game-related Hell yet? [/quote]
You definitely need to get out more then.
This isn't the defining moment of shame for GSN. Watch another channel.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 09:02 AM\'] What made you think GSN is about game shows?
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I don't know, maybe the fact that their website is www.gameshownewtork.com.
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This isn't the defining moment of shame for GSN. Watch another channel.
Yes it is, Brandon. Haven't you been paying attention? EVERY SINGLE PROGRAMMING MOVE that GSN makes anymore is their defining moment of shame. Why should this be any different?
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 01:32 PM\'][quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 09:02 AM\'] What made you think GSN is about game shows?
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I don't know, maybe the fact that their website is www.gameshownewtork.com.[/quote]
I'm sorry--the correct answer is www.gsn.com.
But you've been a wonderful contestant and thanks for playing--Randy West, what we do have for Jay?
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 02:50 AM\'] Would you (meaning the reader of this question) rather watch a really bad game show, or a Above-Meh Blackjack show [/quote]
An Above-Meh blackjack show any day of the week - plus the omnibus edition at weekends. (Not that I necessarily accept that a made-for-TV blackjack show isn't at least as much a game show as the rest of the GSN lineup.)
I find it slightly difficult to conceive that people might choose the alternative, but I could well be being closed-minded here. If you would really watch the all-new star-studded $25,000 Really Bad Game Show, I would be very interested in the justification.
Seriously!
Chris
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[quote name=\'dickoon\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 07:21 PM\'] If you would really watch the all-new star-studded $25,000 Really Bad Game Show, I would be very interested in the justification.
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TTD90 had almost everything except a decent host, IMO. The game was the same as always. If you could get past Wayne, it was pretty decent.
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 04:58 PM\']TTD90 had almost everything except a decent host, IMO. The game was the same as always. If you could get past Wayne, it was pretty decent.[/quote]
Yer high. Everything about TTD90 was bad; the host, the set, the music, the dreaded Divorced Couples week, and don't get me started about that dragon...
If you don't believe me, then read Jason Hernandez's page (http://\"http://members.fortunecity.com/jd83/ttd.htm\") again.
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Couple of tweaks (Set, Main Theme, Host, Bonus Game), and TTD '90 coulda been dang good.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 06:58 PM\'] Couple of tweaks (Set, Main Theme, Host, Bonus Game), and TTD '90 coulda been dang good. [/quote]
That's like saying the Detroit Lions could be a good football team if they just improved two things: their offense, and their defense. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 10:05 PM\'] That's like saying the Detroit Lions could be a good football team if they just improved two things: their offense, and their defense. :) [/quote]
Don't forget special teams, coaching, management, and fans.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 11:27 AM\'] [quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 08:02 AM\'] Do people playing interactively on their computers watch the commercials, or spend time looking at their computer monitors during the commercials? [/quote]
I bet at least a few of them do, and that's all that matters. Even if they don't, as long as they glance once or keep the audio up so it can be heard, the product imprint is made. [/quote]
Maybe I'm not normal, but if I have both the computer and TV on, I know I pay less attention to the TV. I would have guessed that the number of people interactivity brings to the ratings who actually pay attention to the commercials is less than the number of people who would otherwise watch the show and the commercials even if there were no GSN Interactive, but are too busy on their computers. (IOW, a net loss of eyeballs viewing/ears listening to the commercials)
Of course, I'm not privy to all the information that GSN have about this stuff, and don't do GSN Interactive since I refuse to upgrade my Flash.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Nov 12 2003, 08:09 AM\'] (IOW, a net loss of eyeballs viewing/ears listening to the commercials)
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I see what you're saying, but I don't agree that it has a measurable impact. You might not be FOCUSSING on the TV to watch the commercials, but they are still registering in the back of your head as long as you glance at them out of the corner of your eye, or can see the audio.
Sponsors don't care if you can recite the ad back to them at the end. They just want you to remember the product imprint.
Of course, I'm not privy to all the information that GSN have about this stuff, and don't do GSN Interactive since I refuse to upgrade my Flash.
Good lord, why? What do you phear from Macromedia?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 12 2003, 11:44 AM\']or can see the audio.[/quote]
Neat trick! How do you do that?
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 03:48 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 01:32 PM\'][quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 09:02 AM\'] What made you think GSN is about game shows?
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I don't know, maybe the fact that their website is www.gameshownewtork.com.[/quote]
I'm sorry--the correct answer is www.gsn.com.
But you've been a wonderful contestant and thanks for playing--Randy West, what we do have for Jay? [/quote]
I added gameshownetwork.com to my Favorites last year, and it still connects me.
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' date=\'Nov 12 2003, 09:49 AM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 12 2003, 11:44 AM\']or can see the audio.[/quote]
Neat trick! How do you do that? [/quote]
It involves copious amounts of mind-altering drugs. I wouldn't recommend trying it. I'm a trained professional. :)
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Nov 12 2003, 12:48 PM\'] [quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 03:48 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 01:32 PM\'][quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Nov 11 2003, 09:02 AM\'] What made you think GSN is about game shows?
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I don't know, maybe the fact that their website is www.gameshownewtork.com.[/quote]
I'm sorry--the correct answer is www.gsn.com.
But you've been a wonderful contestant and thanks for playing--Randy West, what we do have for Jay? [/quote]
I added gameshownetwork.com to my Favorites last year, and it still connects me. [/quote]
If you didn't notice; they were trying to make a point.