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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: HYHYBT on June 21, 2003, 03:13:53 AM
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I know this looks like a silly question, but I started whistling it at work once and someone started singing along, in Spanish. It was a couple of years ago now, I'm not sure what they were saying, etc., but I forgot to ask about it at the time and was just thinking about it today.
So, does anyone know if there's a song with that tune?
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i think it's just a guy yodeling, but i'm not sure.
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That's not quite what I meant; for example, there are words to the Star Trek theme but you don't hear them on the show. I was wondering if perhaps the tune is an actual song. Then again, that guy *was* a little strange:)
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people tend to make up words to songs like that. remember Harry on \"3rd Rock From the Sun\"?
(to the theme of the classic WoF theme.)
~ Wheel of Fortune, spin the wheel of fortune, the appeal of fortune is subliiiiiime! ~
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Believe me, the Star Trek theme does have real lyrics. I sang them in show choir a number of years ago.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Jun 25 2003, 08:02 PM\'] Believe me, the Star Trek theme does have real lyrics. I sang them in show choir a number of years ago. [/quote]
Do I have to plug another Yahoo! group here? As a member of the Opening Credits Squad, I uncovered many themes thought to be instrumentals but actually have lyrics. Among them:
- I Love Lucy
- Bewitched
- I Dream of Jeannie
- Hawaii Five-O
- The Flying Nun
There are too many too name here.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jun 25 2003, 08:07 PM\']Do I have to plug another Yahoo! group here? As a member of the Opening Credits Squad, I uncovered many themes thought to be instrumentals but actually have lyrics. Among them:
- I Love Lucy
- Bewitched
- I Dream of Jeannie
- Hawaii Five-O
- The Flying Nun
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Some of those really didn't take a whole lot of \"uncovering\"...Desi Arnaz recorded a vocal version of the \"Lucy\" theme; Peggy Lee (and others) recorded \"Bewitched\" and Hugo Montenegro's chorus recorded \"I Dream of Jeannie.\"
All of these were released around the times their respective shows were on in prime time. There are lots of other examples, too, like Sarah Vaughan's recording of the \"Mr. Lucky\" theme...
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jun 25 2003, 08:07 PM\']
- I Love Lucy
- Bewitched
- I Dream of Jeannie
- Hawaii Five-O
- The Flying Nun
There are too many too name here.[/quote]
Yes, way too many. But I'll add one I'm particularly proud of having learned about.
After a fascinating conversation with the Oscar winning songwriting team Livingston-Evans (hundreds of compositions - everything from Doris Day's \"Buttons and Bows\" to the \"Mr. Ed\" theme!) Ray Evans mailed me an autographed copy of their original lyrics to.... TV's BONANZA theme! He writes: \"You are now one of the few people of the world to know that there are lyrics to BONANZA, and what they are.\" Did anyone know about this one? I sure didn't. It starts:
\"We got a right to pick a little fight,
Bonanza!
If anyone fights anyone of us
He's gotta fight with me.\"
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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What a wonderful thread!
Steve's right, of course, the Star Trek theme does have lyrics. One of my favorite recent discoveries was that the original Dick Van Dyke show theme had lyrics. Good ones, too, written by game show favorite Morey Amsterdam. They sang the song (a couple of times, actually) on the TV Land Awards a while back.
Swinging interestingly back on topic, several of you have a copy of a CD I compiled that I called \"There Were Words To That?\". It's a collection of game show themes that you wouldn't necessarily think of as having lyrics. Some were obvious, even to non-game show fans (\"The Start of Something Big\", \"Hooray for Captain Spaulding\") but some were pretty obscure. A Chuck Barris single called \"Lovee\" is the theme to The Gong Show and -- my personal favorite -- it turns out that the well-known Newlywed Game theme was originally a pop song Chuckie Baby wrote called \"Summertime Guy\".
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Just to follow up a little on what Randy West offered with Bonanza:
I learned this year about the lyrics, after watching a Season One episode of Cheers. One of the bar patrons bragged that he knew all the lyrics to the Bonanza theme and proceeded to sing it, just as Randy stated. Rather interesting. :)
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[quote name=\'isucgv\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 08:04 AM\'] I learned this year about the lyrics, after watching a Season One episode of Cheers. One of the bar patrons bragged that he knew all the lyrics to the Bonanza theme and proceeded to sing it, just as Randy stated. Rather interesting. :)
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I was TRYING to remember where I had heard it before. That was it!
\"Hooray for Captain Spaulding\"
I think I remember seeing an episode of You Bet Your Life where Groucho actually performed \"Hooray For Captain Spauling\", with full lyrics.
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[quote name=\'isucgv\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 10:04 AM\'] I learned this year about the lyrics, after watching a Season One episode of Cheers. One of the bar patrons bragged that he knew all the lyrics to the Bonanza theme and proceeded to sing it, just as Randy stated. Rather interesting. :) [/quote]
On a similar tangent, the existence of lyrics to the Hawaii Five-O theme were confirmed on a classic SNL, when Bill Murray as Nick the Lounge Singer crooned \"When you're feeling lonely, you can come with meeeeeeee...\".
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Among them:
I Love Lucy
Bewitched
I Dream of Jeannie
Hawaii Five-O
The Flying Nun
Now, this begs a question. I Dream of Jeannie has two themes -- one for the first season, and one for seasons 2-5. Which one has lyrics?
Also, I remember now that we sang I Love Lucy's theme at that concert, too.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 11:43 AM\']Now, this begs a question. I Dream of Jeannie has two themes -- one for the first season, and one for seasons 2-5. Which one has lyrics?[/quote]
I believe they both do. Gerry Goffin and Carole King wrote the first one, which seems to imply that there were lyrics, though I haven't been able to find them anywhere. I can, however, direct you to Buddy Kaye's lyrics for the more familiar Hugo Montenegro composition. If someone could oblige by explaining what \"We're close as a quarter after three\" means, I'd appreciate it!
http://www.geocities.com/tvshowthemelyrics...eannieSong.html (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/tvshowthemelyrics/IDreamJeannieSong.html\")
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I memorized the Hogans Heroes lyrics in elementary school just for the hell of it. Still remember 'em too:
Heroes, heroes, husky men of war,
Sons of all the heroes of the war before. etc.
The books you want for this are John Javna's TV Theme Song Singalong Song Book, Volumes 1 and 2. These books will make you king of the trivia.
If Rhino Records hasn't done this compilation, they should. Lyrical versions of instrumental theme songs. I'd buy it.
-Myron
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 12:24 PM\']
If someone could oblige by explaining what "We're close as a quarter after three" means, I'd appreciate it!
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Look at a clock with hands at quarter after three...
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[quote name=\'KrisW73\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 01:51 PM\']Look at a clock with hands at quarter after three...[/quote]
Ahhhhh. . .I get it now. Usually I'm pretty sharp with these kinds of things, too. Thanks.
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 09:49 AM\']After a fascinating conversation with the Oscar winning songwriting team Livingston-Evans (hundreds of compositions - everything from Doris Day's \"Buttons and Bows\" to the \"Mr. Ed\" theme!) Ray Evans mailed me an autographed copy of their original lyrics to.... TV's BONANZA theme! He writes: \"You are now one of the few people of the world to know that there are lyrics to BONANZA, and what they are.\" Did anyone know about this one? I sure didn't. It starts:
\"We got a right to pick a little fight,
Bonanza!
If anyone fights anyone of us
He's gotta fight with me.\"
Randy
tvrandywest.com[/quote]
If memory serves, the end of the 'Bonanza' pilot features the Cartwrights actually riding and singing the theme as they ride along. (I can't recall if it's that exact theme or something similar to it.) Hey, what else was there to do in the old West but ride around the range with your brothers, singing show tunes?
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[quote name=\'MyronMMeyer\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 01:10 PM\']The books you want for this are John Javna's TV Theme Song Singalong Song Book, Volumes 1 and 2. These books will make you king of the trivia.
If Rhino Records hasn't done this compilation, they should. Lyrical versions of instrumental theme songs. I'd buy it.
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Rhino did do a vinyl version of the Javna book years ago. It does have some of the vocal versions mentioned in previous posts (like the Arnaz \"I Love Lucy\") but most of them (like \"Hogan's Heroes\" and \"Leave it to Beaver\") are just instrumentals.
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This post is going to lose 90 percent of its effectiveness because I can't sing on this board - Work on this, Matt! - but I do remember seeing Rob Reiner on one of the late night talk shows - possibly Carson - singing the words to the theme from \"Lawman.\" Very dramatic.
Getting back to game shows very slightly...
Doesn't it seem that themes for game shows always seem to have one motif with a number of beats matching the number of syllables in the show's title: Example, \"Swingin' Safari\" for
The Match Game, The Match Game, The Match Game, The Match Game...\"
or the four-note fanfare for TPIR or even the eight-note dramatic motif for \"Millionaire\"
So even without lyrics, the thought is there.
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 09:49 AM\']After a fascinating conversation with the Oscar winning songwriting team Livingston-Evans (hundreds of compositions - everything from Doris Day's \"Buttons and Bows\" to the \"Mr. Ed\" theme!) Ray Evans mailed me an autographed copy of their original lyrics to.... TV's BONANZA theme! He writes: \"You are now one of the few people of the world to know that there are lyrics to BONANZA, and what they are.\" Did anyone know about this one? I sure didn't. It starts:
\"We got a right to pick a little fight,
Bonanza!
If anyone fights anyone of us
He's gotta fight with me.\"[/quote]
So that I don't step on anyone's toes by quoting things without permission, I bring this website to everyone's attention:
http://ponderosascenery.homestead.com/lyrics.html (http://\"http://ponderosascenery.homestead.com/lyrics.html\")
While it shows the lyrics that Randy posted from Ray Evans (albeit at the end rather than at the beginning), it also shows a set of lyrics that I seem to recall hearing a Lorne Greene recording of at one time or another. Not saying this is the definitive authority (in other words, not necessarily Dr. Reason A. Goodwin), but I found it interesting nevertheless.
Doug
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Now, this begs a question. I Dream of Jeannie has two themes -- one for the first season, and one for seasons 2-5. Which one has lyrics?
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I believe they both do. Gerry Goffin and Carole King wrote the first one, which seems to imply that there were lyrics, though I haven't been able to find them anywhere.
Dave Mackey, who I tend to trust more on these sort of things, says that a gentleman named Richard Wess wrote the first season theme, not Goffin and King. As far as we know, no lyrics (although the first part of the theme seems like it was written for someone to sing \"Jeannie, Jeannie...\").
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 03:37 PM\'] Getting back to game shows very slightly...
Doesn't it seem that themes for game shows always seem to have one motif with a number of beats matching the number of syllables in the show's title: Example, "Swingin' Safari" for
The Match Game, The Match Game, The Match Game, The Match Game..."
or the four-note fanfare for TPIR or even the eight-note dramatic motif for "Millionaire"
So even without lyrics, the thought is there. [/quote]
I always thought this on two others: Break the Bank ('70s) and Now You See It. Johnny O helped out by attempting to put Now You See It in rythym.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 03:46 PM\'] I always thought this on two others: Break the Bank ('70s) and Now You See It. Johnny O helped out by attempting to put Now You See It in rythym. [/quote]
The Millionaire fanfare HAS to have been written with The Phrase in mind. Just HAS to be.
As for NYSI, remember that \"Chump Change\" was originally used on \"The New Bill Cosby Show\" and released on a Quincy Jones album before it was tapped for NYSI. So I think that is just a case of fortunate happenstance.
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If you've ever heard the crappy alternate NYSI theme that was only used for one week in 1975, that's quite blatantly got the title in its music.
Now you see it...now you see it....now you see-e it....Now you see it....Now you see it...Now you see-e it...
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 05:46 PM\'] So even without lyrics, the thought is there. [/QUOTE]
I always thought this on two others: Break the Bank ('70s) and Now You See It. Johnny O helped out by attempting to put Now You See It in rythym. [/QUOTE]
That's weird too, especially since \"Chump Change\" was made a while before NYSI was thought of. But when they found the right song, it was unmistakably fitting.
EDIT: Chris beat me to this statement... by about an hour. Oops.
Brandon Brooks
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I have one of a different sort...
The theme to American Bandstand was originally composed by Les Algart and Charlie Albertine, and was and instrumental. It was used on the show from the fifties to 1969, then again in the 70s.
Then around 1975, Barry Manilow took the theme, and wrote lyrics to it almost 20 years later. He recorded it, then Mr. Clark decided to use THAT theme for the opening and closing to Bandstand until the late 80s.
A
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 01:37 PM\'] Example, "Swingin' Safari" for
The Match Game, The Match Game, The Match Game, The Match Game..." [/quote]
We won't lose our way, learn
The rules and Gene Rayburn
Will have to agree
If Goodson and Todman
Will give us the nod, then
It's Match Game '73!
For what it's worth, the \"Bonanza\" lyrics were also quoted on \"Mystery Science Theater 3000,\" although I assume Joel Hodgson et al. learned them from the aforementioned \"Cheers\" episode.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 03:42 PM\'] While it shows the lyrics that Randy posted from Ray Evans (albeit at the end rather than at the beginning), it also shows a set of lyrics that I seem to recall hearing a Lorne Greene recording of at one time or another. Not saying this is the definitive authority (in other words, not necessarily Dr. Reason A. Goodwin), but I found it interesting nevertheless.
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Ray's got 'em in a different order than that site alright, but it's the same lyrics. They could easily have been transposed somewhere along the line. The sheet music marked copyright 1959 has 'em as Ray gave 'em to me. But no big deal.
Among Ray and his partner Jay Livingston's stories include how their theme for \"Mister Ed\" was first rejected because the vocalist and arranger had taken such liberties with their original. Confident in their work, Jay then sent a simple demo of the song with him singing to demonstrate how they they intended it to sound. THAT is the version (yes, the demo sung by the composer) that you hear on the show.
Among my travels I also came across this ditty from composer Howard Greenfield (Neil Sedaka's partner in hitmaking through the 60's, and co-author of the Captain and Tenille's \"Love Will Keep Us Together\":
\"Bewitched, bewitched,
You got me in your spell.
Bewitched, bewitched,
You know your craft so well...\"
And for bonus points, can you name the classic sitcom that featured an instrumental theme song that was originally written with these lyrics:
\"Well now, take down the fishin' pole
and meet me at the fishin' hole.
We may not get a bite all day,
but don't you rush away....\"
:-)
Randy
tvrandywest
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 10:27 PM\'] "Well now, take down the fishin' pole
and meet me at the fishin' hole.
We may not get a bite all day,
but don't you rush away...." [/quote]
[buzzes in like an excited FtM contestant] I got it!
The Andy Griffith Show!
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\"Well now, take down the fishin' pole
and meet me at the fishin' hole.
We may not get a bite all day,
but don't you rush away....\"
That has to be The Andy Griffith Show... it seems like it goes.
Brandon Brooks
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GS Warehouse, you are correct!! (ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!) And we have an honorary mention to Brandon Brooks who apparently just wasn't fast enough with that buzzer. But nobody leaves empty-handed. We have Birdola Bird Feed for you. Remember, if birds bought the feed, they'd only buy Birdola. Use as directed! ;-)
The theme to American Bandstand was originally composed by Les Algart and Charlie Albertine, and was and instrumental. It was used on the show from the fifties to 1969, then again in the 70s.
The original by Les Elgart (correct spelling, iirc) and his band was indeed written as an instrumental. It's title is \"Bandstand Boogie\", and it was composed long before Dick Clark chose it. It had been used previously by disc jockeys as a radio theme.
And like Q's \"Chump Change\" / NYSI, Bert Kaempfert's (correct spelling) \"A Swingin' Safari\" predated MG and was a great choice of an earlier recording.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 10:43 PM\']But nobody leaves empty-handed. We have Birdola Bird Feed for you. Remember, if birds bought the feed, they'd only buy Birdola. Use as directed! ;-)[/quote]
Oh, I'm dyin'!!
Star Trek's theme's lyrics are interesting in that they were written after the fact, by Gene Roddenberry, solely to get half the royalties whenever the composition was performed, with or without lyrics.
(Use as directed.)
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 10:43 PM\'] The original by Les Elgart (correct spelling, iirc) and his band was indeed written as an instrumental. It's title is "Bandstand Boogie", and it was composed long before Dick Clark chose it. It had been used previously by disc jockeys as a radio theme. [/quote]
OK, someone's gotta know this. In between the swing version of Elgart's original and Barry Manilow's rewrite with lyrics, AMERICAN BANDSTAND used an updated instrumental version of the theme (at the beginning, synthesized keyboards played very quickly as director Barry Glazer opened with a real tight shot of the lights on the AB logo). Who did that piece of music (it also played through the closing credits until Clark used Manilow's rewrite at the end in late 1975/early 1976--Clark didn't use Manilow's version for the opening until 1977)?
Doug
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OK, someone's gotta know this. In between the swing version of Elgart's original and Barry Manilow's rewrite with lyrics, AMERICAN BANDSTAND used an updated instrumental version of the theme (at the beginning, synthesized keyboards played very quickly as director Barry Glazer opened with a real tight shot of the lights on the AB logo). Who did that piece of music (it also played through the closing credits until Clark used Manilow's rewrite at the end in late 1975/early 1976--Clark didn't use Manilow's version for the opening until 1977)?
Somehow, I remember the credit: \"Bandstand Theme by Joe Porter.\" Don't know if he did anything else.
And to wrap this all up, the theme that didn't sound like \"Bandstand Boogie\" from 1969 to 1974 was written by future California Lieutenant Governor Mike Curb.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 04:42 PM\']
Now, this begs a question. I Dream of Jeannie has two themes -- one for the first season, and one for seasons 2-5. Which one has lyrics?
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I believe they both do. Gerry Goffin and Carole King wrote the first one, which seems to imply that there were lyrics, though I haven't been able to find them anywhere.
Dave Mackey, who I tend to trust more on these sort of things, says that a gentleman named Richard Wess wrote the first season theme, not Goffin and King. As far as we know, no lyrics (although the first part of the theme seems like it was written for someone to sing \"Jeannie, Jeannie...\").[/quote]
Well, it turns out you're partly right and I'm partly right.
According to the book Dreaming of Jeannie by Steve Cox, the first season's theme was indeed the Richard Wess waltz. (Wess, by the way, is probably best known as Bobby Darin's arranger and conductor during his Atco days, most notably on \"Mack the Knife.\")
However, Cox writes that a Goffin/King theme song was found tucked away in Sidney Sheldon's files many years later. Apparently they submitted a theme song for the first season, but Sheldon rejected it in favor of the Wess composition.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 06:53 PM\']The Millionaire fanfare HAS to have been written with The Phrase in mind. Just HAS to be.
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I remember reading somewhere (perhaps Michael Davies' \"Millionaire\" book?) that the theme was adapted from an obscure tune by Cole Porter (with lyrics, natch) of the same name...which would explain the title fitting in.
On an entirely unrelated note, this is my first post! Yay! Well, I'm not really new, I posted to ATGS for a while, but...my first post on this new board. Yeah. ;-)
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You know something that occurred to me last night, as I was watching some DVD's...
All of this talk of theme songs that have lyrics that most people don't know about, and we have yet to see someone mention \"M*A*S*H\".
Or have enough people seen the original movie to remember the \"Suicide Is Painless\" sequence? A lot of y'all weren't even BORN yet (Hell, was I? The original movie was '72, right? IMDB seems to think so.), so that would surprise me...
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jun 27 2003, 04:28 PM\']You know something that occurred to me last night, as I was watching some DVD's...
All of this talk of theme songs that have lyrics that most people don't know about, and we have yet to see someone mention \"M*A*S*H\".
Or have enough people seen the original movie to remember the \"Suicide Is Painless\" sequence? A lot of y'all weren't even BORN yet (Hell, was I? The original movie was '72, right? IMDB seems to think so.), so that would surprise me...[/quote]
Actually, Chris, that's a good call. M*A*S*H for whatever reason didn't occur to me and probably should have. But for what it's worth, the TV series started in 1972--the movie came out in 1970.
ObGameShows: Many of the cast members of M*A*S*H put in at least one game show appearance over their storied careers. Alda did WML and IGAS72, Swit did MG (and I'm pretty sure she did PYRAMID), Farr did GONG, SP, PYRAMID, SCRABBLE and WORDPLAY (among others), Burghoff did MG, Stevenson did a littany (sp?) of shows. Can't recall a game show appearance for Mssrs. Farrell, Stiers, Linville, Rogers, Morgan (Harry, not Henry) or Christopher offhand.
Doug
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I had totally forgotten about M*A*S*H... I just watched the movie a few weeks ago. And... yes... I remember the movie... even though I wasn't born until 1977. :-)
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I remember reading somewhere (perhaps Michael Davies' \"Millionaire\" book?) that the theme was adapted from an obscure tune by Cole Porter (with lyrics, natch) of the same name...which would explain the title fitting in.
I guess this is one of those \"It's only obscure if you don't know it\" moments.
The Cole Porter song \"Who Wants to be a Millionaire\" was featured in the movie \"High Society\" and was performed by Celeste Holm and the ever-obscure Frank Sinatra. The movie also starred Bing Crosby and Grace Kelly, two more obscure performers.
I'm old enough to have made that connection from the time I heard the title of the game show. And from the first time I heard the game show's eight-note fanfare, I've wondered if the composer -- consciously or not -- was ripping off (excuse me, \"adapting\") the Porter song's first line. I would sure like to get the impressions of our show-music-savvy members. Clay Zambo for sure, maybe Randy West has a thought as well.
Meanwhile, everybody sing along! (In the film, the two working class reporters covering a high society wedding are making fun of their opulent surroundings.)
Who wants to be a millionaire?
I don't.
Have flashy flunkeys everywhere?
I don't.
Who wants the bother of a country estate?
A country estate is something I'd hate!
Who wants to wallow in champagne?
I don't.
Who wants a supersonic plane?
I don't.
Who wants a marble swimming pool too?
I don't.
And I don't `cause all I want is you.
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as far as MASHers on game shows, Farrell and Linville did Pyramid(Linville is in one of the Cullen shows on the trading circuit), Christopher did Celeb Bullseye, and Rogers did at least one of the GSN-aired nighttime Marshall HS shows.
From the MASH movie, John Schuck has done Pyramid, Cross-Wits, Marshall and Davidson HS, and P+.
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Can't recall a game show appearance for Mssrs. Farrell, Stiers, Linville, Rogers, Morgan (Harry, not Henry) or Christopher offhand.
Farrell at least did $20K/$25K Pyramid and Showoffs.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious \"Chuckie Baby\")
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Some more M*A*S*H game show credits (since I had some time on my hands tonight):
Alda, Rogers, Stevenson and Swit were all Mystery Guests at one time or another on the syndicated \"What's My Line?\" (Alda, of course, was a frequent panelist before M*A*S*H came along.)
Hollywood Squares: Rogers, Stevenson, Swit, Farr, Farrell, Christopher, Burghoff, Linville.
(Oddly, according to the Marshall book, Alan Alda never did Hollywood Squares.)
In addition, Larry Linville was on \"The Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour\"
To the best of my knowledge and research, David Ogden Stiers and Harry Morgan are the only two with absolutely no game show credits.
Finally, extensive research has conclusively proven that there was no celebrity game show on which Jamie Farr did NOT appear. [Please adjust your sarcasm detector to the previous sentence.]
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Jun 28 2003, 10:05 PM\'] To the best of my knowledge and research, David Ogden Stiers and Harry Morgan are the only two with absolutely no game show credits. [/quote]
That seems very likely to me.
I'm very curious, as a M*A*S*H fan, about what all series William Christopher did. Until this discussion, I wasn't aware that William Christopher did any series besides Shoot for the Stars, and that suprised me as he wasn't documented as appearing on 70s Pyramid.