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Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: xavier45 on January 15, 2009, 01:25:54 PM
This has been confirmed over at G-R.net that Bart Eskander is no longer director of Price after 8 years on the job. The original poster of the thread says that Drew was instrumental in Bart's departure from the show, but that was not confirmed.

http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,9988.45.html (http://\"http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,9988.45.html\")

Marc confirms it in Post #7.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: PYLdude on January 15, 2009, 03:23:05 PM
Okay.

They complained and complained about the guy's job, but now that he's gone they suddenly have regrets?

I'd figure they'd be ecstatic.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Johnissoevil on January 15, 2009, 03:36:28 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'206324\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 03:23 PM\']Okay.

They complained and complained about the guy's job, but now that he's gone they suddenly have regrets?

I'd figure they'd be ecstatic.[/quote]

A few stuck to their guns on their opinion.  But yeah, those who are now feeling bad for him after they b****ed about him, all we can can really do is sit here and laugh at them for being so two faced.  As for Bart, I've seen his name in the credits of many Goodson/Pearson/Fremantle shows over the years, he couldn't have been that bad if he was with the company for as long as he was.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: clemon79 on January 15, 2009, 03:45:23 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'206324\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 12:23 PM\']Okay.
They complained and complained about the guy's job, but now that he's gone they suddenly have regrets?
I'd figure they'd be ecstatic.[/quote]
I dunno if you've noticed, but a fair amount of folks over there don't do change well.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: PYLdude on January 15, 2009, 03:52:17 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'206328\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 03:45 PM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'206324\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 12:23 PM\']
Okay.
They complained and complained about the guy's job, but now that he's gone they suddenly have regrets?
I'd figure they'd be ecstatic.[/quote]
I dunno if you've noticed, but a fair amount of folks over there don't do change well.
[/quote]

What makes you think I didn't make that statement with that in mind?
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Don Howard on January 15, 2009, 04:04:35 PM
[quote name=\'Johnissoevil\' post=\'206325\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 03:36 PM\']
he couldn't have been that bad if he was with the company for as long as he was.
[/quote]
Just because someone does something at the same business for a long time doesn't mean he was any good at it. I may catch some heat for this, but I offer the Joe Franklin example. Personal opinion, I grant you, but I thought he was awful. And yet, he held that post for forty years.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: SRIV94 on January 15, 2009, 04:08:01 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'206331\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 03:04 PM\']
I offer the Joe Franklin example. Personal opinion, I grant you, but I thought he was awful. And yet, he held that post for forty years.
[/quote]
Billy Crystal's version was better.

/Matzohs by Streitz, for the unleavened experience of a lifetime, my friends.
//So that's where McCain got that from!
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: uncamark on January 15, 2009, 04:08:46 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'206331\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 03:04 PM\']
[quote name=\'Johnissoevil\' post=\'206325\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 03:36 PM\']
he couldn't have been that bad if he was with the company for as long as he was.
[/quote]
Just because someone does something at the same business for a long time doesn't mean he was any good at it. I may catch some heat for this, but I offer the Joe Franklin example. Personal opinion, I grant you, but I thought he was awful. And yet, he held that post for forty years.
[/quote]

Eskander didn't start out as a director--he was a PA, a music supervisor and an AD before becoming a director.  I suspect he was a perfectly competent AD who was promoted beyond the level of his competence.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: tpirfan28 on January 15, 2009, 04:09:13 PM
I see this twofold:

 - Bart sucked, glad he's gone.
 - Who can they bring in that would do a better job as a rookie at a show with as many moving parts as Price?  I'm apprehensive that the director can, at minimum, maintain the same level that Bart did.  Price just seems really complex.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Don Howard on January 15, 2009, 04:34:58 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'206333\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 04:08 PM\']
Eskander didn't start out as a director--he was a PA, a music supervisor and an AD before becoming a director.  I suspect he was a perfectly competent AD who was promoted beyond the level of his competence.
[/quote]
Ye olde Peter Principle, eh? Okay, I'll give you that.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: clemon79 on January 15, 2009, 04:42:33 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'206334\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 01:09 PM\']
Who can they bring in that would do a better job as a rookie at a show with as many moving parts as Price?  I'm apprehensive that the director can, at minimum, maintain the same level that Bart did.  Price just seems really complex.[/quote]
Funny, since there were an awful lot of armchair directors up in here who thought a trained seal could do a better job when he was calling the shots.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Don Howard on January 15, 2009, 06:08:49 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'206338\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 04:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'206334\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 01:09 PM\']
Who can they bring in that would do a better job as a rookie at a show with as many moving parts as Price?  I'm apprehensive that the director can, at minimum, maintain the same level that Bart did.  Price just seems really complex.[/quote]
Funny, since there were an awful lot of armchair directors up in here who thought a trained seal could do a better job when he was calling the shots.
[/quote]
Can't wait to hear what tune gets whistled once the first of the post-Bart eppies is televised. In fact, I wonder if a Facebook group's been started lamenting the release of The Esk. I shall investigate and report back.
ADDED A FEW MINUTES LATER: There are none. This will bear watching, however.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: CarShark on January 15, 2009, 06:31:28 PM
Was it like this in the mid-90s, after Dian and Holly weren't on the show? Every article or every statement tinged with drama, insecurity, tension. Never knowing what to believe. Never knowing who to believe. This is really getting tiresome. At least, since it doesn't involve on-air personnel, it doesn't appear like it will lead to backlash against the show.

Personally, I didn't care much for Eskander's style. I just never understood how he could have so many effects and transitions and other tools (especially with computer technology being so much better) at his disposal, and he chose to use so few. To me, it's like an artist going into his studio every day, staring at his canvas and after a couple hours of cogitation deciding, "I know! I'll paint it......white!" Every. Single. Day. It doesn't make sense to me. I don't know how much of that was his own decision and how much was Barker leaning on him (like I bet he was, judging from a few of the later changes for cars and Plinko), but it always struck me as lazy.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Chief-O on January 15, 2009, 06:32:23 PM
ClockGameJohn has confirmed that R. Brian DiPirro will be "Price"'s next director.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Jimmy Owen on January 15, 2009, 06:40:04 PM
[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'206347\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 06:32 PM\']
ClockGameJohn has confirmed that R. Brian DiPirro will be "Price"'s next director.
[/quote]


Ahhh, so everything will be done in post from now on.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Chief-O on January 15, 2009, 06:43:18 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'206349\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 05:40 PM\']
Ahhh, so everything will be done in post from now on.
[/quote]

That is one thing I'd worry about, but hey----time will tell. This might actually prove that he can do a show live to tape. But with the rest of what's happened in 33, I'm not holding my breath. Yet.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: clemon79 on January 15, 2009, 07:17:25 PM
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206346\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 03:31 PM\']
Every article or every statement tinged with drama, insecurity, tension.[/quote]
I've seen none of that in this thread.

Congratulations on being the first, though.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: pianogeek on January 15, 2009, 07:17:45 PM
Considering how far he's come in his career since Street Smarts, talk about a promotion of sorts for Richard Brian DiPirro.  Doing the granddaddy of game shows full time.  (I know Marco Mancini does the Deal gig now)  Best of luck to him.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: TimK2003 on January 15, 2009, 07:27:01 PM
[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'206347\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 07:32 PM\']
ClockGameJohn has confirmed that R. Brian DiPirro will be "Price"'s next director.
[/quote]


Since DiPirro sure loved to take shots of the audience on Deal or No Deal, he'll fit right in here!
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Joe Mello on January 15, 2009, 07:29:44 PM
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206346\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 06:31 PM\']I just never understood how he could have so many effects and transitions and other tools (especially with computer technology being so much better) at his disposal, and he chose to use so few.[/quote]
And that's a problem because......

Maybe this is just my prematurely decomposing brain, but I thought the 2 main complaints were that his timing was bad and his aim was off.  If the above contributed to it, so be it, but giving neat-o effects to every camera change isn't going to make things better.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: TroubadourNando on January 15, 2009, 07:31:19 PM
My issue isn't with Bart leaving---I'm concurring that he was, at best, a really dull and uncreative director---it's with 1) wondering when all these recent firings will stop, and 2) that the idea of Price's directing becoming that of DoND's leaves me extremely skeptical....at best.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: clemon79 on January 15, 2009, 07:50:58 PM
[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'206360\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 04:31 PM\']
1) wondering when all these recent firings will stop,[/quote]
Welcome to a crap economy.
Quote
2) that the idea of Price's directing becoming that of DoND's leaves me extremely skeptical....at best.
I have to wonder if you people would even *notice* if this hadn't gone public.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: BrandonFG on January 15, 2009, 08:00:56 PM
[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'206360\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 07:31 PM\']
2) that the idea of Price's directing becoming that of DoND's leaves me extremely skeptical....at best.
[/quote]
I've expressed my issues with DiPirro's constant audience shots, mainly because they're so gratuitous on D/ND. As Tim said, at least he now gets to directs a show where it makes sense to constantly go to the audience (except for the newly-implemented bump shots of the audience coming out of commercial).

Constant audience shots notwithstanding, he did a competent enough job with the Marathon and the other shows he's done this decade. Would it really be as much of an issue if he weren't involved with Endemol (given their reputation) as much?
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: CarShark on January 15, 2009, 08:11:09 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'206355\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 07:17 PM\'][quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206346\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 03:31 PM\']
Every article or every statement tinged with drama, insecurity, tension.[/quote]
I've seen none of that in this thread.

Congratulations on being the first, though.
[/quote]Waitasecond. Take your shots if you must (and knowing you, you must), but I think the linked thread starting with the assertion that Drew specifically led to Eskander's departure (which is still speculation) did have all of those.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Matt Ottinger on January 15, 2009, 08:29:43 PM
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206370\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:11 PM\']Waitasecond. Take your shots if you must (and knowing you, you must), but I think the linked thread starting with the assertion that Drew specifically led to Eskander's departure (which is still speculation) did have all of those.[/quote]
But this one did not.  And what you said was:
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206346\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 06:31 PM\']Every article or every statement tinged with drama, insecurity, tension.[/quote]
"Every" article.  That means all.  Words Have Meanings.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: chad1m on January 15, 2009, 08:32:33 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'206373\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:29 PM\']Words Have Meanings.[/quote]Contemplated filing a trademark or a copyright so you can profit off of that?
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: clemon79 on January 15, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206370\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 05:11 PM\']
Take your shots if you must (and knowing you, you must)[/quote]
Approves (http://\"http://www.myvideomusicmp3.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/alanis-morissette.jpg\")
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: aaron sica on January 15, 2009, 08:40:16 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'206374\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:32 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'206373\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:29 PM\']Words Have Meanings.[/quote]Contemplated filing a trademark or a copyright so you can profit off of that?
[/quote]

He's Matt Ottinger. The trademark is implied. :)
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: TroubadourNando on January 15, 2009, 08:46:49 PM
Quote
2) that the idea of Price's directing becoming that of DoND's leaves me extremely skeptical....at best.
Quote
I have to wonder if you people would even *notice* if this hadn't gone public.

Uh, yeah, Eskander's style was reasonably crappy enough that you'd notice a change for either good or bad.

I have to say I'm surprised I'm now one of 'you people' since my reaction wasn't rabidly positive.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: alex99 on January 15, 2009, 09:58:44 PM
Has anyone on this board ever actually directed a gameshow?  Or any show for that matter?
You sure are good at criticizing other director's work.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: BrandonFG on January 15, 2009, 10:46:23 PM
[quote name=\'alex99\' post=\'206382\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 09:58 PM\']
Has anyone on this board ever actually directed a gameshow?  Or any show for that matter?
You sure are good at criticizing other director's work.
[/quote]
Wow...so defensive over nothing. This is a message board, opinions are discussed, and guess what? Some of those opinions you may not agree with. I only played one year of Pee Wee football, but it doesn't stop me from criticizing my favorite team. Every opinion I've seen was for the most part, reasonable, and not in the "h8r" territory that you're implying.

BTW, you'll find that many of us (myself included), have extensive directing and other behind-the-camera experience, so your efforts at snark could very well backfire on you.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: clemon79 on January 15, 2009, 11:03:03 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'206387\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 07:46 PM\']
BTW, you'll find that many of us (myself included), have extensive directing and other behind-the-camera experience, so your efforts at snark could very well backfire on you.[/quote]
Yeah, I was gonna say, I've never directed anything more complicated than a :30 news promo, but I've damn well worked the other crew jobs long enough to know a bad one when I see one.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: CarShark on January 15, 2009, 11:14:45 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'206373\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:29 PM\']"Every" article.  That means all.  Words Have Meanings.[/quote]Fine, then. I misspoke. Big deal. It still doesn't warrant an attack. Then again, I wouldn't expect you to not completely miss that and defend Lemon.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: ChrisLambert! on January 15, 2009, 11:21:48 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'206376\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:40 PM\']
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'206374\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:32 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'206373\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:29 PM\']Words Have Meanings.[/quote]Contemplated filing a trademark or a copyright so you can profit off of that?
[/quote]

He's Matt Ottinger. The trademark is implied. :)
[/quote]

The word "copyright" has actually been Matt Ottingered.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: TLEberle on January 15, 2009, 11:38:08 PM
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206396\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:21 PM\']After all, why make conversation when you can make jokes?[/quote]Ok. Here's goes. Have your tickets ready, friends...

[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206394\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:14 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'206373\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:29 PM\']"Every" article.  That means all.  Words Have Meanings.[/quote]Fine, then. I misspoke. Big deal. It still doesn't warrant an attack. Then again, I wouldn't expect you to not completely miss that and defend Lemon.[/quote]It wouldn't be a big deal except you have shown a propensity to say whatever comes to your mind first, and then after your argument, syntax and even your word choice are made more hole-ridden than Swiss cheese, you retreat to "Bah, I misspoke!" "I wouldn't expect anything less!" and so on, rather than acknowledging our (very valid points} and trying to become a better member of our Forum, because you'd rather just continue on your merry way.

I now await your reply, to compare it with the control group.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: chris319 on January 15, 2009, 11:39:00 PM
Quote
Who can they bring in that would do a better job as a rookie at a show with as many moving parts as Price?
Andy Felsher. He would have the shortest learning curve of anyone besides perhaps Fred Witten.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: chris319 on January 15, 2009, 11:47:34 PM
Quote
wondering when all these recent firings will stop
Why do you care? Your job's not at stake. What is your job, BTW?

If RBDP gets the reveals he'll be an improvement over Bart. Never mind that it might take 2 1/2 hours to tape a show that now takes 1 1/4.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: CarShark on January 15, 2009, 11:47:43 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'206398\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 11:38 PM\']It wouldn't be a big deal except you have shown a propensity to say whatever comes to your mind first, and then after your argument, syntax and even your word choice are made more hole-ridden than Swiss cheese, you retreat to "Bah, I misspoke!" "I wouldn't expect anything less!" and so on, rather than acknowledging our (very valid points} and trying to become a better member of our Forum, because you'd rather just continue on your merry way.[/quote]Are you still on that "line-up"/"roster" thread? I explained my error (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=17127&view=findpost&p=205144\") and explained my opinion in full and tried to make amends. Of course, none of that matters, apparently. Feel free to restart the dogpile.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: clemon79 on January 15, 2009, 11:53:44 PM
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206401\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:47 PM\']
Feel free to restart the dogpile.[/quote]
If you don't want to be at the bottom of a dogpile, you should stop rubbing steak all over yourself.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: bscripps on January 16, 2009, 01:50:00 AM
[quote name=\'alex99\' post=\'206382\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 09:58 PM\']
Has anyone on this board ever actually directed a gameshow?  Or any show for that matter?
You sure are good at criticizing other director's work.
[/quote]
As chance would have it, (http://\"http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050811/REVIEWS/50725001/1023\") I've been directing television for 18 years, including the past ten as the director of the highest-rated television program in my market, and the two Emmy Awards sitting above my monitor as I type this should count for at least a little street cred.  (Not a lot, but at least a little.) Speaking in my official capacity as an Emmy Award winning director, Mr. Eskander's directing sucks.  

IMHO, of course.

[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206346\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 06:31 PM\']
I just never understood how he could have so many effects and transitions and other tools (especially with computer technology being so much better) at his disposal, and he chose to use so few. [/quote]
Lisa: "Dad, there are other wipes besides star wipes."
Homer: "Why have hamburger when you can have steak?"
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: inturnaround on January 16, 2009, 02:15:27 AM
[quote name=\'alex99\' post=\'206382\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 09:58 PM\']
Has anyone on this board ever actually directed a gameshow?  Or any show for that matter?
You sure are good at criticizing other director's work.
[/quote]

Are you saying that the only people truly qualified to judge the quality of something are people of the same profession? I mean, I don't know how to boil water, but I know the difference between chicken salad and chicken shinola.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on January 16, 2009, 02:24:44 AM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'206374\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:32 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'206373\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:29 PM\']Words Have Meanings.[/quote]Contemplated filing a trademark or a copyright so you can profit off of that?
[/quote]<computerized voice>In Soviet Russia, Ottinger copyrights you</cv>

As for the comment by our "new poster", directors, hosts, and emcees are often criticized (and praised) on these boards.  Nothing wrong with having an opinion, is there?
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: NicholasM79 on January 16, 2009, 04:36:42 AM
Speaking as someone who has directed a game show, no less, his directing blows.  See all the aforementioned references to missing game winning reveals, etc.

Need I say more?

/Maybe, but I'm tired.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: TheLastResort on January 16, 2009, 07:49:06 AM
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206408\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 12:17 AM\']
Quote
Posting messages which are harrassing, insulting, belittling or derisive to other board member(s)
...is basically all you do. All the gazpacho jokes in the whole don't take away from the fact that you get away with anything you want.[/quote]

An excellent point, and thanks for having the guts to say it.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: TheLastResort on January 16, 2009, 07:55:07 AM
[quote name=\'alex99\' post=\'206382\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 09:58 PM\'] Has anyone on this board ever actually directed a gameshow?  Or any show for that matter?
You sure are good at criticizing other director's work. [/quote]

I was a director in local TV for around 15 years, and that's precisely why I've never commented on Bart's work:  I know it's much harder than it looks to the average viewer.  Having said that, I think constructive criticism is fine as long as isn't the "I can do better" nonsense.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: rialtus on January 16, 2009, 12:10:58 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206400\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 08:47 PM\']
Quote
wondering when all these recent firings will stop
Why do you care? Your job's not at stake. [/quote]I'm not the original poster, but I can see the point here. I think the concern is that there is a loss of domain knowledge when there are a lot of people who leave, which can impact the quality of the show. Given the complexity of the show and the changing of various key people in the organization, things may not be done the way the always were, and this is a risk in some people's opinion.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Jay Temple on January 16, 2009, 01:57:50 PM
Point of information:

Am I right in thinking that he had the authority to order a retake when Drew was so low-key on the showcase bid that was exactly right?
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Matt Ottinger on January 16, 2009, 02:10:53 PM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'206433\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 01:57 PM\']Am I right in thinking that he had the authority to order a retake when Drew was so low-key on the showcase bid that was exactly right?[/quote]
Probably not.  That's the way it would normally work in television, but Drew is the 800 pound gorilla, and if he didn't feel like doing something the director wanted, the director would lose that battle..
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: clemon79 on January 16, 2009, 02:11:08 PM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'206433\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 10:57 AM\']
Am I right in thinking that he had the authority to order a retake when Drew was so low-key on the showcase bid that was exactly right?[/quote]
Whether he did or not: why the heck WOULD you?

By re-enacting that whole thing completely, after the fact, what kind of footage do you think you're going to get out of that now-utterly-fake-instead-of-just-somewhat moment that is the least bit usable?
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: chris319 on January 16, 2009, 04:06:26 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'206437\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 11:11 AM\']
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'206433\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 10:57 AM\']
Am I right in thinking that he had the authority to order a retake when Drew was so low-key on the showcase bid that was exactly right?[/quote]
Whether he did or not: why the heck WOULD you?

By re-enacting that whole thing completely, after the fact, what kind of footage do you think you're going to get out of that now-utterly-fake-instead-of-just-somewhat moment that is the least bit usable?
[/quote]
You risk losing whatever spontaneity there was in the contestant's reaction, even though I believe Terry's astonishment was feigned to a large extent. I hope you would risk S.V. or M.R. storming the booth demanding to know "What the hell are you doing?".
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: clemon79 on January 16, 2009, 04:15:15 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206439\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 01:06 PM\']
You risk losing whatever spontaneity there was in the contestant's reaction, even though I believe Terry's astonishment was feigned to a large extent.[/quote]
My point exactly. You can't fake that. At all. You either get it the first time or you don't get it at all.

/way to go, Ted
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: tpirfan28 on January 16, 2009, 04:53:54 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206439\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 04:06 PM\']
You risk losing whatever spontaneity there was in the contestant's reaction, even though I believe Terry's astonishment was feigned to a large extent.[/quote]
Linked for evidence. (http://\"http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8282/scperfectionpm6.jpg\")  Snapped right after Drew spoke the price, and 0 lit up.

TPIR mostly is one show that really can't be hacked up in post and have a jillion retakes.  You get the spontaneity once.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: alex99 on January 16, 2009, 05:45:53 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'206387\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 10:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'alex99\' post=\'206382\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 09:58 PM\']
Has anyone on this board ever actually directed a gameshow?  Or any show for that matter?
You sure are good at criticizing other director's work.
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Wow...so defensive over nothing. This is a message board, opinions are discussed, and guess what? Some of those opinions you may not agree with. I only played one year of Pee Wee football, but it doesn't stop me from criticizing my favorite team. Every opinion I've seen was for the most part, reasonable, and not in the "h8r" territory that you're implying.

BTW, you'll find that many of us (myself included), have extensive directing and other behind-the-camera experience, so your efforts at snark could very well backfire on you.
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I agree, the show looks cheesy. All I'm saying is, you don't know the situation the guy was in.  Maybe the producers wanted it to look that way.  Maybe he tried to update the look and they wouldn't let him.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: TroubadourNando on January 16, 2009, 07:41:51 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206400\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 11:47 PM\']
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wondering when all these recent firings will stop
Why do you care? Your job's not at stake. What is your job, BTW?
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Way to rub salt in the wound. >_>

All I said was that people should stop being fired over there (and I highly doubt Roger, etc. were all fired due to the economy) If you want me to expand, frequent turnover in employees is going to hurt the show eventually; that principle can apply to nearly any workplace, I think.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: clemon79 on January 16, 2009, 07:55:38 PM
[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'206460\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 04:41 PM\'](and I highly doubt Roger, etc. were all fired due to the economy)[/quote]
I dunno about Roger, but I absolutely am willing to entertain that Bart's leaving the show had to do with what he was being paid, considering how long he had been around, in the absence of any other evidence telling me otherwise.

That said, I don't know what sort of compensation DiPirro commands and whether or not it's comparable to what Bart made. This is strictly conjecture. But I think to wave your hand and say "oh, this has nothing to do with the economy being in the crapper" is being somewhat dismissive.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: TroubadourNando on January 16, 2009, 08:01:40 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'206461\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 07:55 PM\'][quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'206460\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 04:41 PM\']
(and I highly doubt Roger, etc. were all fired due to the economy)[/quote]
I dunno about Roger, but I absolutely am willing to entertain that Bart's leaving the show had to do with what he was being paid, considering how long he had been around, in the absence of any other evidence telling me otherwise.

That said, I don't know what sort of compensation DiPirro commands and whether or not it's comparable to what Bart made. This is strictly conjecture. But I think to wave your hand and say "oh, this has nothing to do with the economy being in the crapper" is being somewhat dismissive.
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Do I think it's possible the economy did him in? Of course it is. Likely? That I don't.

And this is just the knee-jerk impression I get, but I would personally guess DiPirro's experience advantage over Bart would command him a higher price. That's just my guess, anyway.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: clemon79 on January 16, 2009, 08:15:03 PM
[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'206462\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 05:01 PM\']
Do I think it's possible the economy did him in? Of course it is. Likely? That I don't.[/quote]
Okay, well, we disagree there.
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And this is just the knee-jerk impression I get, but I would personally guess DiPirro's experience advantage over Bart would command him a higher price. That's just my guess, anyway.
I wasn't aware DiPirro had such an advantage.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: chris319 on January 16, 2009, 08:39:01 PM
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All I said was that people should stop being fired over there
Nice evasive answer. Now tell us why and what business it is of yours.

Speaking in general terms, a game show director who misses or refuses to take game-winning reveals should be in another line of work. Roger didn't deserve to go but Bart did. I know both of them.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: TroubadourNando on January 16, 2009, 09:09:13 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206465\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 08:39 PM\']
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All I said was that people should stop being fired over there
Nice evasive answer. Now tell us why and what business it is of yours.

Speaking in general terms, a game show director who misses or refuses to take game-winning reveals should be in another line of work. Roger didn't deserve to go but Bart did. I know both of them.
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Okay, I really don't know why you're so upset over what I said. I really don't. I thought we were all entitled to our opinions? Mine is that too many people have been fired from Price since last July when Roger was fired. That's all.

Note that I didn't DEFEND Bart either---in fact, I think I clearly said he was "at best dull and uncreative" and later called his style "crappy"---so really, I think you're coming after me for nothing.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: chris319 on January 16, 2009, 10:48:34 PM
Another nice non-answer.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: PYLdude on January 17, 2009, 12:16:55 AM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206469\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 10:48 PM\']
Another nice non-answer.
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With all due respect, Chris, why the hell do you care so much why he thinks the way he does?
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: rwalker on January 18, 2009, 05:55:33 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206465\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 08:39 PM\']
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All I said was that people should stop being fired over there
Nice evasive answer. Now tell us why and what business it is of yours.

Speaking in general terms, a game show director who misses or refuses to take game-winning reveals should be in another line of work. Roger didn't deserve to go but Bart did. I know both of them.
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I'm not agreeing just to kiss anybody's behind or gain status here, but Chris319 is spot on with this one. I don't necessarily agree with him 100% of the time, but he damn sure got it this time.  Roger was the last link from TPIR and Mark Goodson productions, now it's pretty much all Fremantled to hell.  Greco has been with the show, what, about 25 years or so?
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on January 19, 2009, 06:28:45 AM
[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'206579\' date=\'Jan 18 2009, 05:55 PM\']
now it's pretty much all Fremantled to hell. [/quote]And what exactly does this mean?
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: HYHYBT on January 19, 2009, 02:02:19 PM
The question is, will the new one be better or worse?
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: SRIV94 on January 19, 2009, 02:24:51 PM
[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'206631\' date=\'Jan 19 2009, 01:02 PM\']
The question is, will the new one be better or worse?
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Yes.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Joe Mello on January 19, 2009, 02:29:52 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'206632\' date=\'Jan 19 2009, 02:24 PM\']
[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'206631\' date=\'Jan 19 2009, 01:02 PM\']
The question is, will the new one be better or worse?[/quote]
Yes.[/quote]
I'm inclined to agree.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: uncamark on January 19, 2009, 05:33:26 PM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'206633\' date=\'Jan 19 2009, 01:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'206632\' date=\'Jan 19 2009, 02:24 PM\']
[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'206631\' date=\'Jan 19 2009, 01:02 PM\']
The question is, will the new one be better or worse?[/quote]
Yes.[/quote]
I'm inclined to agree.
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X gets the square.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: ClockGameJohn on January 19, 2009, 08:51:44 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'206461\' date=\'Jan 16 2009, 07:55 PM\']I dunno about Roger, but I absolutely am willing to entertain that Bart's leaving the show had to do with what he was being paid, considering how long he had been around, in the absence of any other evidence telling me otherwise.[/quote]

I can safely say that finances didn't play into this.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: clemon79 on January 19, 2009, 08:56:32 PM
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'206653\' date=\'Jan 19 2009, 05:51 PM\']
I can safely say that finances didn't play into this.[/quote]
Fair enough. You'd know better than I. :)
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: Mr. Bill on January 24, 2009, 12:32:55 AM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206399\' date=\'Jan 15 2009, 11:39 PM\']
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Who can they bring in that would do a better job as a rookie at a show with as many moving parts as Price?
Andy Felsher. He would have the shortest learning curve of anyone besides perhaps Fred Witten.
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Just getting back up to speed.

First, I have directed numerous public access tv shows, as well as doing production -- many of the projects involving Matt Ottingerę.

Second, Andy Felsher does have a distinct advantage.  He directed the ill-fated '94 syndicated version, he also directed Eubanks Card Sharks and the late-80s Now You See It.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: chris319 on January 24, 2009, 12:40:40 AM
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Andy Felsher does have a distinct advantage. He directed the ill-fated '94 syndicated version, he also directed Eubanks Card Sharks and the late-80s Now You See It.
Andy does have good credentials, but it's kind of a moot point now.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: jmangin on January 24, 2009, 12:22:25 PM
Wasn't Andy Felsher also playing a role with TPiR Live in Atlantic City a few years ago?
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: cmjb13 on January 24, 2009, 12:53:20 PM
[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'206862\' date=\'Jan 24 2009, 12:22 PM\']
Wasn't Andy Felsher also playing a role with TPiR Live in Atlantic City a few years ago?
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Yes.

Roger told me a story when he attended TPIR Live in San Francisco or San Diego. Andy told him before the show started that Chuck is all wrong for TPIR and not to expect much. After the show was over, Roger said that Chuck was wonderful, vulnerable, & charming and couldn't understand why Andy said that.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: tvwxman on January 24, 2009, 04:01:32 PM
[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'206862\' date=\'Jan 24 2009, 12:22 PM\']
Wasn't Andy Felsher also playing a role with TPiR Live in Atlantic City a few years ago?
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Still does. Good guy.
Title: Price Director Leaves Show
Post by: chris319 on June 15, 2009, 03:17:03 PM
For the record, Bart Eskander's wife Susan asserts that Bart voluntarily resigned from his position as director of The Price Is Right and was not fired.

The Game Show Forum does not endorse any particular theory or speculation as to why Bart is no longer director of The Price Is Right.