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Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: tpirfan28 on October 23, 2007, 12:06:47 PM
http://www.priceisright.com (http://\"http://www.priceisright.com\")

Pretty impressive, I have to say.  There's also six pages of classic Bob clips to watch.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: chris319 on October 23, 2007, 12:15:06 PM
Oooh! Oooh! Watch Drew's Vlog to see a familiar face!
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 23, 2007, 12:21:34 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'167660\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 12:15 PM\']
Oooh! Oooh! Watch Drew's Vlog to see a familiar face![/quote]
Yes, I recognized Rich.

Oh, wait, you meant A BOARD MEMBER!!

Interesting video.  I still remain fascinated by the fact that Drew gets his own private dressing room he doesn't have to share with anybody, and Bob never did.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: cmjb13 on October 23, 2007, 01:42:33 PM
From Bart's Bio:
Quote
The main Director out of Goodson’s stable had a reputation as being “difficult”
Breslow?

I also noticed that the video from Price is Right Live in Vegas was using the 30th Anniversary Las Vegas doors. This I knew, but I thought they had painted over them.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: tpirfan28 on October 23, 2007, 01:48:38 PM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'167669\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 01:42 PM\']
Breslow?
[/quote]
The way it reads makes it sound like Alter...but it's not very clear.

To be completely honest, I'd rather have a "difficult" director who can do their job well over someone "fun" who can't.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: chris319 on October 23, 2007, 02:08:27 PM
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Due to a talent conflict, a new Director disappeared.
Say what? He writes like he directs. The old director disappeared.

It has to be Breslow. There was nothing "difficult" about Paul Alter.

Quote
I'd rather have a "difficult" director who can do their job well over someone "fun" who can't.
How about a "difficult" director who misses game-winning reveals and doesn't know which end of a jib camera is up?
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: whewfan on October 23, 2007, 02:31:03 PM
I would dare say Bob would NEVER allow all this behind the scenes stuff to be seen. Looks like everyone's having a genuine fun time.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Speedy G on October 23, 2007, 02:33:10 PM
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Rich Fields
In 2005 Rich Fields broke the world record for announcing the most differently titled game shows in a single season at seven (The Price is Right, Beat The Clock, Match Game, Letís Make A Deal, Family Feud and Card Sharks). The previous record was five shows and held by legendary announcer Johnny Olson.
View his profile
Well, that's rather dubious.

/Also, someone can't count to seven
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: beatlefreak84 on October 23, 2007, 03:11:13 PM
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/Also, someone can't count to seven

True...and, as a math teacher, I shudder at that, but whoever wrote that simply left off PYL from the Gameshow Marathon, which would bring the total to 7.  So, number correct, list wrong...:)

/so, they forgot the best show of the Marathon?  Ouch...
//my opinion, of course; I could be wrong...
///Dennis Miller has as much business hosting a game show as (insert extremely obscure pop culture or historical reference here).

Anthony
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: BrandonFG on October 23, 2007, 03:17:09 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'167661\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 12:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'167660\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 12:15 PM\']
Oooh! Oooh! Watch Drew's Vlog to see a familiar face![/quote]
Yes, I recognized Rich.

Oh, wait, you meant A BOARD MEMBER!!
[/quote]
Okay, I'll bite...who was it, and what part of the video? I'm guessing the mustachioed guy in the yellow sweater vest. Feel free to whooooosh me.

/Don't whooooosh me.
//And Eskander needs to redo his profile.
///Just a little tacky
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 23, 2007, 03:58:53 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'167686\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 03:17 PM\']
Okay, I'll bite...who was it, and what part of the video? I'm guessing the mustachioed guy in the yellow sweater vest. Feel free to whooooosh me.[/quote]
No whoooshes necessary, I wouldn't know if I hadn't met him at GSC's.

It's Scott (MSTieScott), the young man who is quoted saying what a great job Drew is doing.   Though since he's not credited as being associated with the show, it seems sort of odd to just have this random guy with a nametag giving his thumbs-up.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: MYosua on October 23, 2007, 04:09:46 PM
There's actually a a 2-minute feature (http://\"http://www.priceisright.com/page.aspx?pageId=839621&itemId=835298&tn=behind%20the%20scenes\") on Scott in addition to the clip that has been already mentioned.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: J.R. on October 23, 2007, 04:18:20 PM
The t-shirt was a big clue. ;-)
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: MisterX on October 23, 2007, 04:30:54 PM
After watching the video of Scott, I saw some spiderweb lights above the 3rd door. I wonder if the show is preparing something for Halloween.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: snowpeck on October 23, 2007, 05:23:11 PM
[quote name=\'Speedy G\' post=\'167681\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 02:33 PM\']
Quote
Rich Fields
In 2005 Rich Fields broke the world record for announcing the most differently titled game shows in a single season at seven (The Price is Right, Beat The Clock, Match Game, Letís Make A Deal, Family Feud and Card Sharks). The previous record was five shows and held by legendary announcer Johnny Olson.
View his profile
Well, that's rather dubious.

/Also, someone can't count to seven
[/quote]


Shouldn't that only count as two (Gameshow Marathon counting as one series)?


Greg
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: dzinkin on October 23, 2007, 06:24:14 PM
It has been brought to my attention that there are some more-than-minor similarities between the Fremantle site and Brad Francini's site with regard to screen grabs and text.  Some examples:

Bonus Game - Brad's site (http://\"http://gscentral.net/bonus.htm\") vs. Fremantle's site (http://\"http://www.priceisright.com/page.aspx?pageId=820308\")

Bullseye - Brad's site (http://\"http://gscentral.net/bullseye.htm\") vs. Fremantle's site (http://\"http://www.priceisright.com/page.aspx?pageId=820309\")

Any Number - Brad's site (http://\"http://gscentral.net/anynum.htm\") vs. Fremantle's site (http://\"http://www.priceisright.com/page.aspx?pageId=807823\")

Does anyone know how Brad is involved, if at all, with Fremantle?  It seems odd to me that they'd just lift someone's site wholesale, but I'd think that if he were involved, they'd have asked him to pull his site instead of leaving it up as a near-duplicate.  I'm not making any accusations ó something just doesn't make sense here.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Kniwt on October 23, 2007, 08:45:06 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'167713\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 03:24 PM\']
Bonus Game - Brad's site (http://\"http://gscentral.net/bonus.htm\") vs. Fremantle's site (http://\"http://www.priceisright.com/page.aspx?pageId=820308\")
[/quote]

The Fremantle site uses a screengrab of Bonus Game with a Game Show Network bug!?  I'm too shocked to make any type of reasonably witty observation on this.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on October 23, 2007, 09:32:25 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'167713\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 06:24 PM\']
It has been brought to my attention that there are some more-than-minor similarities between the Fremantle site and Brad Francini's site with regard to screen grabs and text.  Some examples:

Bonus Game - Brad's site (http://\"http://gscentral.net/bonus.htm\") vs. Fremantle's site (http://\"http://www.priceisright.com/page.aspx?pageId=820308\")

Bullseye - Brad's site (http://\"http://gscentral.net/bullseye.htm\") vs. Fremantle's site (http://\"http://www.priceisright.com/page.aspx?pageId=820309\")

Any Number - Brad's site (http://\"http://gscentral.net/anynum.htm\") vs. Fremantle's site (http://\"http://www.priceisright.com/page.aspx?pageId=807823\")

Does anyone know how Brad is involved, if at all, with Fremantle?  It seems odd to me that they'd just lift someone's site wholesale, but I'd think that if he were involved, they'd have asked him to pull his site instead of leaving it up as a near-duplicate.  I'm not making any accusations ó something just doesn't make sense here.
[/quote]
I can hardly believe this myself, but I talked to Tony Harrison earlier tonight, and Brad wasn't involved with this in any way.  He's apparently less than thrilled about it.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 23, 2007, 11:25:52 PM
Amazingly, stunningly tacky, even for Fremantle.  It's their show, their games, and the best thing they can do is lift text and frame grabs from a fan's site.  And for those who haven't checked, it's not just the three examples David showed, it's pretty much across the board.

I actually went to the "contact us" section and wrote Fremantle a note about it.  It'll probably get read and ignored by a peon, but it made me feel better.  There's really just no excuse for something like that.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: TheLastResort on October 24, 2007, 12:11:18 AM
Fremantle owns the show, do they not?  They could make the argument that the images are theirs to begin with.  Not that I'm taking their side.  It was extremely lazy and unprofessional.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Robert Hutchinson on October 24, 2007, 12:18:13 AM
Holy crap--I thought it was just screengrabs at first glance, but text too?

Note to Fremantle--I am not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that copyright violations do not cancel each other out. Especially not when one (Brad's) is a hell of a lot closer to Fair Use than the other (yours).
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: BrandonFG on October 24, 2007, 12:31:10 AM
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'167730\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 12:11 AM\']
Fremantle owns the show, do they not?  They could make the argument that the images are theirs to begin with.  Not that I'm taking their side.  It was extremely lazy and unprofessional.
[/quote]
Thing is, if Fremantle owns the show, why can't they delve into their own library and cherrypick? To use a fansite's pics, without Brad's permission is very unprofessional. Keeping the GSN logo on the pics makes it look even more so.

At the very least, ask Brad. I would think it took a lot more work for him to upload the pics, then for Fremantle to simply swipe from his page...
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: PYLdude on October 24, 2007, 12:56:22 AM
Well, Brad is taking it well, I think...if his blog is any indication... (http://\"http://gscentral.net\")
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Brakus on October 24, 2007, 01:35:34 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'167732\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 12:31 AM\']
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'167730\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 12:11 AM\']
Fremantle owns the show, do they not?  They could make the argument that the images are theirs to begin with.  Not that I'm taking their side.  It was extremely lazy and unprofessional.
[/quote]
Thing is, if Fremantle owns the show, why can't they delve into their own library and cherrypick? To use a fansite's pics, without Brad's permission is very unprofessional. Keeping the GSN logo on the pics makes it look even more so. [/quote]

Uh, Fremantle can do whatever the hell they want with those TPiR clips that Brad made. It is their property to begin with. End of story.

Brad should be so lucky that he's gotten a free pass from them for so long. They could always go the route that Sony did and issue the all-powerful cease-and-desist order, and we all know nobody wants that.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: jalman on October 24, 2007, 02:01:18 AM
[quote name=\'Brakus\' post=\'167734\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 01:35 AM\']
Uh, Fremantle can do whatever the hell they want with those TPiR clips that Brad made. It is their property to begin with. End of story.
[/quote]
Uh, swiping text descriptions someone else made word-for-word is not a Good Thing (tm).  Screengrabs are still copyrighted but the copy-and-paste style maneuver IS tacky. Brad's web site is not Wikipedia (which would have the place to swipe). But...
Quote
Brad should be so lucky that he's gotten a free pass from them for so long. They could always go the route that Sony did and issue the all-powerful cease-and-desist order, and we all know nobody wants that.
...he has taken this pretty well.  Fremantle has shown to be more fan-friendly (e.g. YouTube Family Feud clips) and Sony is historically....Sony.  I don't think Brad "dodged a bullet" as much as a Web site staffer was overeager/ignorant.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Fladam on October 24, 2007, 02:22:00 AM
Wow, this whole thing is incredibly interesting...
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: clemon79 on October 24, 2007, 02:31:18 AM
[quote name=\'Brakus\' post=\'167734\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 10:35 PM\']
Uh, Fremantle can do whatever the hell they want with those TPiR clips that Brad made. It is their property to begin with. End of story.
[/quote]
Ya know, the second I saw your handle, I didn't even have to scroll down to know the angle you were going to take on this. You didn't disappoint me.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: BrandonFG on October 24, 2007, 03:25:54 AM
[quote name=\'Brakus\' post=\'167734\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 01:35 AM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'167732\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 12:31 AM\']
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'167730\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 12:11 AM\']
Fremantle owns the show, do they not?  They could make the argument that the images are theirs to begin with.  Not that I'm taking their side.  It was extremely lazy and unprofessional.
[/quote]
Thing is, if Fremantle owns the show, why can't they delve into their own library and cherrypick? To use a fansite's pics, without Brad's permission is very unprofessional. Keeping the GSN logo on the pics makes it look even more so. [/quote]

Uh, Fremantle can do whatever the hell they want with those TPiR clips that Brad made. It is their property to begin with. End of story.
[/quote]
You, not surprisingly, missed my point to throw in your typical underhanded snark. And honestly, I should ignore the condescending tone you put on your post, bold-facing your comment as if I don't GET IT, and then adding "end of story" up there as if your opinion is the be-all to end-all. But, I'll address your comment anyways.

I'm not defending either person's actions, or taking sides, or even suggesting Brad sue Fremantle. Yes, it is Fremantle's show, and yes, they could very well send Brad a C&D. However, the point I made (which you so conveniently ignored to once again to show how you're so superior to everyone here) is that when you own the show, just use your own clips, if for nothing else, to look professional? Yeah, they could do "whatever the hell they want", but when it comes to making an official website, I'd think they'd like to actually use first-generation clips from their library (possibly in better condition), and not something recorded from a third-tier cable channel. And it's not like any of the games are retired. How hard would it have been to find episodes from the previous season, and possibly even some of the ones Drew already recorded?

Now you see where I'm coming from? Or does that still make me some sort of otaku?
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: LA the DJ on October 24, 2007, 06:56:14 AM
Worse yet, it was never addressed, but I believe FM made Brad remove the pics she had from Tomarken's Whammy pilot awhile back.

So it comes across as "We're gonna make you remove some of our property, then we're gonna take your work."

Fan-friendly is one thing. Plagiarism is another. While the legality of it all is muddy, it's definitely a tacky, unprofessional move on their part.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: dzinkin on October 24, 2007, 07:20:16 AM
[quote name=\'Brakus\' post=\'167734\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 01:35 AM\']
Uh, Fremantle can do whatever the hell they want with those TPiR clips that Brad made. It is their property to begin with. End of story.
[/quote]
It's always nice to get an opinion from the guy who hates the entire free world.  Too bad that opinion never really changes.

Hey, Jeremy: are you an egghead or an asshole?  Six years and ten months later, we're still waiting (http://\"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.game-shows/msg/98e31cdee518ee79\").
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: rugrats1 on October 24, 2007, 08:07:22 AM
In my opinion, Fremantle can do anything they want with the graphics, since it is their show. As for the descriptions, however -- those are Brad's, and he owns those outright. Fremantle should've asked for Brad's permission, or at least give him credit, for the descriptions.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 24, 2007, 09:52:21 AM
No one here is challenging Fremantle's right to the images, or suggesting Brad has any legal standing as far as they go.  (A concept lost on Jeremy, as so many concepts are.)  We're saying that it's beyond tacky that they would go about building their website by lifting grainy images from a fan site.  Tacky is not the same as illegal.  

There's also the matter of them lifting the text descriptions from the site.  As any high school civics teacher would tell you, that's plagiarism.  Now obviously, Brad is in no position to take Fremantle to court over something that is, in the grand scheme of things, pretty insignificant.  But Fremantle has no legal right to Brad's words, even if they are about Fremantle's show.  And in court, when it came time to prove intent, the fact that Fremantle took the images from the site would go a long way toward proving that's where the text came from as well.

Jeremy, always nice to hear from you.  It helps us all to recognize the right side of an issue when you come down on the opposite one.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: BrandonFG on October 24, 2007, 01:08:53 PM
Oh wow...I didn't even realize Fremantle stole the actual descriptions as well. Yeah, no matter how you look at it, that's a no-no, and they should definitely know better.

/They should also know how to produce game shows, but that's another story.
//Five-year-plan
///Hollywood or Bust!
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: dazztardly on October 24, 2007, 01:36:45 PM
Fremantle did the same thing with the "Game Bible" that's given to those who accquire licensed rights to TPiR. They lifted the game descriptions from Brad's website.

-Dan
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: cool245 on October 24, 2007, 02:06:42 PM
[quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'167750\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 01:36 PM\']
Fremantle did the same thing with the "Game Bible" that's given to those who accquire licensed rights to TPiR. They lifted the game descriptions from Brad's website.

-Dan
[/quote]

I guess Fremantle won't be shutting down Brad's site anytime soon because they won't want to lose their source of information.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: parliboy on October 24, 2007, 02:10:00 PM
[quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'167750\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 12:36 PM\'] Fremantle did the same thing with the "Game Bible" that's given to those who accquire licensed rights to TPiR. They lifted the game descriptions from Brad's website.

-Dan [/quote]

Wait a minute... so just to clarify... they're selling the show to other countries, and using BRAD's work as a guide?

Um... WTF?  Using his stuff on their website was simply a Mutually Assured Destruction - style standoff.  Tit for tat.  I could kind of see an uneasy peace.  This is more of a "Where's my money, bitch" kind of thing.

Forgive me for hyperbole, but someone owes Brad a share of those licensing fees.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 24, 2007, 02:31:54 PM
[quote name=\'cool245\' post=\'167753\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 02:06 PM\']I guess Fremantle won't be shutting down Brad's site anytime soon because they won't want to lose their source of information.[/quote]
This, I have to admit, is a great line.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: clemon79 on October 24, 2007, 02:52:17 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'167756\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 11:31 AM\']
[quote name=\'cool245\' post=\'167753\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 02:06 PM\']I guess Fremantle won't be shutting down Brad's site anytime soon because they won't want to lose their source of information.[/quote]
This, I have to admit, is a great line.
[/quote]
I was surprised too. Bravo, cool245. Bravissimo.

/I swear I never thought I would type that
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: BrandonFG on October 24, 2007, 02:57:30 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'167756\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 02:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'cool245\' post=\'167753\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 02:06 PM\']I guess Fremantle won't be shutting down Brad's site anytime soon because they won't want to lose their source of information.[/quote]
This, I have to admit, is a great line.
[/quote]
Seconded.

And with what Dan just mentioned, this has gone from a simple case of lifting from a fansite to all-out plagiarism and disregard for one's property. Ignore the idea of who owns the show, you're now talking about using one's information and not giving credit for it. They don't have to pay Francini one thin dime, but they need to at least credit him for the information they stole from his website.

You can argue all you want about them owning the show, they still violated a golden rule that they teach you in elementary school. Just because not as many people will see the "bible" doesn't make it any more correct.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: clemon79 on October 24, 2007, 02:59:44 PM
[quote name=\'parliboy\' post=\'167754\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 11:10 AM\']
This is more of a "Where's my money, bitch" kind of thing.
[/quote]
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4878/wayne2ao2.jpg (http://\"http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4878/wayne2ao2.jpg\")

"Is Brad Francini gonna have to choke a biatch?"
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: tpirfan28 on October 24, 2007, 03:09:43 PM
Wasn't Brad given due in the credits of the "Big Bucks" documentary?

If Fremantle is just going around lifting information to make a "bible" for distribution of a game, then damnit, we all should start making our own for their other properties.  C'mon...if they don't have to do the work to make descriptions/details/rules to a quality program.... :)

OB/:still wouldn't make it right

And in regard to the "where's my money, bitch" comment...I thought of the Family Guy segment where Stewie beats up Brian over a lost wager.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: LA the DJ on October 24, 2007, 03:44:36 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'167760\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 03:09 PM\']
If Fremantle is just going around lifting information to make a "bible" for distribution of a game, then damnit, we all should start making our own for their other properties.  C'mon...if they don't have to do the work to make descriptions/details/rules to a quality program.... :)
[/quote]

If only someone would have made a really good Sale/Temptation site, things might be a lot different right now.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Game Show Man on October 24, 2007, 04:07:40 PM
[quote name=\'nWo_Whammy\' post=\'167765\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 12:44 PM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'167760\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 03:09 PM\']
If Fremantle is just going around lifting information to make a "bible" for distribution of a game, then damnit, we all should start making our own for their other properties.  C'mon...if they don't have to do the work to make descriptions/details/rules to a quality program.... :)
[/quote]

If only someone would have made a really good Sale/Temptation site, things might be a lot different right now.
[/quote]
Um, no sir, I seriously doubt that.

/wishes the TPiR site had the new theme in the clear
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: clemon79 on October 24, 2007, 04:10:47 PM
[quote name=\'Game Show Man\' post=\'167771\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 01:07 PM\']
[quote name=\'nWo_Whammy\' post=\'167765\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 12:44 PM\']
If only someone would have made a really good Sale/Temptation site, things might be a lot different right now.
[/quote]
Um, no sir, I seriously doubt that.
[/quote]
That would be akin to using this:

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2034/turdpolishwl9.gif (http://\"http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2034/turdpolishwl9.gif\")
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: uncamark on October 24, 2007, 04:13:37 PM
Wouldn't Roger have in his office a complete, up-to-date version of the official show bible as begun by F. Wayne and J. Wolpert 35 years ago?  (And wouldn't there be copies elsewhere in the production offices, particularly on Syd and Kathy's desks [Syd took Barker's copy]--and if Sue and Stan are now producers, wouldn't they have copies?)

And even if none of this was ever put on a computer and no one wanted to type it into a computer file, couldn't Fremantle get it scanned and cleaned up so it would be on a CD-ROM to send out to the licensees?
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: LA the DJ on October 24, 2007, 04:27:02 PM
For the record, the Sale/Temptation comment was entirely tongue in cheek.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: BrandonFG on October 24, 2007, 04:33:01 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'167772\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 04:10 PM\']
That would be akin to using this:

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2034/turdpolishwl9.gif (http://\"http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2034/turdpolishwl9.gif\")
[/quote]
I lol'd.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: dfmock on October 24, 2007, 04:40:30 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'167658\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 11:06 AM\']
http://www.priceisright.com (http://\"http://www.priceisright.com\")

Pretty impressive, I have to say.  There's also six pages of classic Bob clips to watch.
[/quote]
Cool. And they interestingly list the 1956 start date of the original. I still think the new background pattern is louder than the outfit of a 1970s golf pro...but the Lilly Pulitzer effect could grow on me.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: DrJWJustice on October 24, 2007, 06:33:10 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'167741\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 06:20 AM\']
It's always nice to get an opinion from the guy who hates the entire free world.  Too bad that opinion never really changes.

Hey, Jeremy: are you an egghead or an asshole?  Six years and ten months later, we're still waiting (http://\"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.game-shows/msg/98e31cdee518ee79\").
[/quote]
Just wanted to add my $0.02 on the neo-Nietzschean posting from Herr Soria.  I guess he's still sour that JS TPiR is no longer read.  Notice that it wasn't shut down by Freemantle, either.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: ClockGameJohn on October 24, 2007, 11:47:42 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'167773\' date=\'Oct 24 2007, 04:13 PM\']
Wouldn't Roger have in his office a complete, up-to-date version of the official show bible as begun by F. Wayne and J. Wolpert 35 years ago?  (And wouldn't there be copies elsewhere in the production offices, particularly on Syd and Kathy's desks [Syd took Barker's copy]--and if Sue and Stan are now producers, wouldn't they have copies?)

And even if none of this was ever put on a computer and no one wanted to type it into a computer file, couldn't Fremantle get it scanned and cleaned up so it would be on a CD-ROM to send out to the licensees?
[/quote]

It is all computerized, and multiple people have copies.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: HYHYBT on October 25, 2007, 04:28:24 AM
It could be worse: they could have taken the pricing game descriptions from CBS's site instead :)
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: cmjb13 on October 25, 2007, 11:56:37 AM
I can't confirm this, but this  guy (http://\"http://www.priceisright.com/Page.aspx?pageId=779367&userId=194878\") claims he put together some of the material on the site.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: uncamark on October 25, 2007, 12:19:56 PM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'167858\' date=\'Oct 25 2007, 10:56 AM\']
I can't confirm this, but this  guy (http://\"http://www.priceisright.com/Page.aspx?pageId=779367&userId=194878\") claims he put together some of the material on the site.
[/quote]

The video things, not the game pages.

And if the bible is on a computer file(s), as confirmed above, why didn't the people responsible use that as the basis for the game pages and not a fan site?  Laziness?
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: PYLdude on October 25, 2007, 12:28:45 PM
EDIT: Points retracted after Our Benevolent Mods showed me the right of way. (Didn't know there were others who used the egghead/asshole comment.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: dzinkin on October 25, 2007, 12:50:42 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'167863\' date=\'Oct 25 2007, 12:28 PM\']
So wait...what Brad is doing is wrong, yet keeping a MySpace page portraying oneself as Patrick Wayne isn't?

(Reason why I figure...the operator of the Patrick Wayne Myspace left an "eggheads and assholes" comment on the Bill Rafferty Myspace awhile back. Now, who else would say that?)
[/quote]
Er, either Jeremy or anyone who might have wanted to mock him.  The latter group encompasses the vast majority of game show fans not named Jeremy Soria.

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(Will retract if anyone can prove me wrong about the Patrick Wayne Myspace)
Actuallly, since you made the accusation, it's up to you to demonstrate that it was Jeremy, not for others to prove that it wasn't.

Jeremy's made ó well, far too many ignorant comments to count, but let's stick to blaming him for what we actually know he said and did, shall we?
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 25, 2007, 12:58:25 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'167863\' date=\'Oct 25 2007, 12:28 PM\']
(Reason why I figure...the operator of the Patrick Wayne Myspace left an "eggheads and assholes" comment on the Bill Rafferty Myspace awhile back. Now, who else would say that?)[/quote]
To be fair to Jeremy (certainly fairer than he's ever been to us), the "eggheads and assholes" comment became a pretty common catchphrase on Usenet after he used it, virtually a badge of honor.  Anyone who'd spent any time at all around the old newsgroup would have been familiar with it, and would have known that we'd be familiar with it as well.  

As I recall, "Patrick Wayne" was only one of dozens of fictional MySpace accounts that the same person created using game show personalities.  He'd then have each of them talk to each other, like a little girl playing with dolls.  Never did quite understand what the point of that was, but there are more likely suspects than Jeremy with the free time and the personality quirks to find that sort of thing interesting.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: clemon79 on October 25, 2007, 01:05:46 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'167870\' date=\'Oct 25 2007, 09:50 AM\']
Jeremy's made ó well, far too many ignorant comments to count, but let's stick to blaming him for what we actually know he said and did, shall we?[/quote]
'Zackly. It's not like there is any shortage of material at this point. :)
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: chris319 on October 25, 2007, 01:53:51 PM
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Wouldn't Roger have in his office a complete, up-to-date version of the official show bible as begun by F. Wayne and J. Wolpert 35 years ago?
The bible entries for the pricing games used in Las Vegas used to be on line, and I could kick myself for not saving them. They were far too longwinded for the TPIR web site game descriptions, but just right for overseas distribution.

If Brad Francini wants to retain access to and remain persona grata in The Bob Barker studio 33, he's not going to haul Fremantle to court. Fremantle likely felt that outside of a small number of game show fans, no one would make the connection. Eventually they will want to redo all of those screen grabs with Drew and the new set anyway. But lifting the copy is still tacky. It's not that hard to write a description of Any Number.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: chris319 on October 25, 2007, 02:10:25 PM
Yet another familiar face! Check out Stan's bio on the site (Stan's isn't the familiar face I'm referring to).

I still object to that Music Director title. He's a music supervisor. Ray Bloch, Doc Severinsen, Paul Shaffer -- they all are/were Musical Directors. It doesn't apply to someone who doesn't compose, arrange, conduct or perform IMHO. If ya can't play yer own theme on a pianer, ya ain't a musical director. Edd Kalehoff already has that title on the show.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: tpirfan28 on October 25, 2007, 02:33:57 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'167884\' date=\'Oct 25 2007, 02:10 PM\']
Yet another familiar face! Check out Stan's bio on the site (Stan's isn't the familiar face I'm referring to).
[/quote]
I didn't recognize by face, but by name.

I still haven't completely figured out this whole MySpace ripoff they are going for here.

EDIT:  Who wants to bet they now slap a C&D order on Brad's site?
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: clemon79 on October 25, 2007, 03:00:21 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'167891\' date=\'Oct 25 2007, 11:33 AM\']
EDIT:  Who wants to bet they now slap a C&D order on Brad's site?
[/quote]
They'd be foolish to, considering they are, at this moment, guilty of plagarism.

Now, if they change the text and THEN do it, that I could see happening.

Personally, I see this continuing as a detente issue. TPiR isn't gonna bother to take the time and manpower to change the text, and Brad now has de facto permission to keep his site up.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: TLEberle on October 25, 2007, 09:33:00 PM
[quote name=\'Brakus\' post=\'167734\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 10:35 PM\']Uh, Fremantle can do whatever the hell they want with those TPiR clips that Brad made. It is their property to begin with. End of story.[/quote] When did you become an intellectual property lawyer, Jeremy?

Frankly, I trust the 'Pedia in cases of law more so than game shows, so I give you:
Fair use is a doctrine in United States copyright law that allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders, such as use for scholarship or review

/and I don't play one on TV, either.

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Brad should be so lucky that he's gotten a free pass from them for so long. They could always go the route that Sony did and issue the all-powerful cease-and-desist order, and we all know nobody wants that.
I don't know the answer myself, not being an IP attorney myself, but it seems like Fremantle et al. would stand to lose face if any legal action went public. (I sure hope Brad took some comparative screen grabs, for his own sake.) Especially if Brad says, "Sure, I used some pictures for a site promoting your show, but your web team was so blitheringly incompetent that they couldn't string together a coherent or original thought."
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: davemackey on October 25, 2007, 09:59:25 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'167931\' date=\'Oct 25 2007, 09:33 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brakus\' post=\'167734\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 10:35 PM\']Uh, Fremantle can do whatever the hell they want with those TPiR clips that Brad made. It is their property to begin with. End of story.[/quote] When did you become an intellectual property lawyer, Jeremy? [/quote]

There, fixed that for you.

/wouldn't it be nice if everybody had a Blackout Button
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: TLEberle on October 25, 2007, 10:10:50 PM
[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'167932\' date=\'Oct 25 2007, 06:59 PM\']
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'167931\' date=\'Oct 25 2007, 09:33 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brakus\' post=\'167734\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 10:35 PM\']Uh, Fremantle can do whatever the hell they want with those TPiR clips that Brad made. It is their property to begin with. End of story.[/quote] When did you become an intellectual property lawyer, Jeremy? [/quote]

There, fixed that for you.

/wouldn't it be nice if everybody had a Blackout Button
[/quote]I'm honored. One of the Mackey Brothers Fixed it For Me.

I can now die a happy man. :)
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: The Pyramids on October 27, 2007, 09:03:06 AM
I just dawned on me that Shane Sterling is missing from the model profiles. I haven't seen every show in the last two weeks. Has she been on any of them?
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: tpirfan28 on October 27, 2007, 10:24:23 AM
[quote name=\'PaulD\' post=\'168014\' date=\'Oct 27 2007, 09:03 AM\']
I just dawned on me that Shane Sterling is missing from the model profiles. I haven't seen every show in the last two weeks. Has she been on any of them?
[/quote]
No.  One of the models had a kid (I'm thinking it was Shane).  So it would only make sense.  Hopefully.

Steve Gavazzi, white courtesy phone, please.
Title: Fremantle's Price is Right site
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on October 27, 2007, 06:01:52 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'168019\' date=\'Oct 27 2007, 10:24 AM\']
[quote name=\'PaulD\' post=\'168014\' date=\'Oct 27 2007, 09:03 AM\']
I just dawned on me that Shane Sterling is missing from the model profiles. I haven't seen every show in the last two weeks. Has she been on any of them?
[/quote]
No.  One of the models had a kid (I'm thinking it was Shane).  So it would only make sense.  Hopefully.

Steve Gavazzi, white courtesy phone, please.
[/quote]
Steve doesn't know, either.