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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: cool245 on August 14, 2007, 12:45:18 PM
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From the Buzzer Blog:
On August 18 from 10am to 3pm, GSN will air Wheel of Fortune including a Woolery episode. On August 19 from 10am to 3pm, Jeopardy! will air. In the August 19th overnight slot, Play Your Hunch and a To Tell The Truth episode that Griffin hosted will air.
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Congratulations GSN...this actually seems like a good tribute. I wonder if an Art Fleming J! will also be a part of this.
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They have shown the finale from the revival in the late 70s with Fleming before so it would be nice to see since I didn't have GSN at that time
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Holy crap...a Woolery Wheel episode?!?
Wow.
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That sound you hear is everyone mashing the buttons on their DVR/TiVo remotes.
Seems like there definitely was some thought put into this. I'm impressed.
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Stunts like this make me wish they aired vault stuff more often. A daily hour of whatever they feel like, tying it into some news of the day.
It could be done. It should be done. Damn shame we have to wait for people to die to see it done.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'160573\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 02:13 PM\']
It could be done. It should be done. Damn shame we have to wait for people to die to see it done.
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I'm more surprised they're actually showing when people are awake.
Would be nice to see them actually honor the man without having to promote their other shows via crunches, but you know how that goes.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'160571\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 02:08 PM\']
That sound you hear is everyone mashing the buttons on their DVR/TiVo remotes.
Seems like there definitely was some thought put into this. I'm impressed.
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Actually, I was mashing buttons on my phone to see if a relative can record it for me. :)
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'160573\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 02:13 PM\']
Stunts like this make me wish they aired vault stuff more often. A daily hour of whatever they feel like, tying it into some news of the day. [/quote]Headline Chasers, damnit. :)
It could be done. It should be done. Damn shame we have to wait for people to die to see it done.
Agreed.
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Hopefully someone can unconfuse me.
IIRC, we were always led to believe that any Woolery eps (as well as Vanna's first ep) were the property of NBC, and that was the reason GSN couldn't show any of them (that is, when GSN was running WoF on a regular basis). Does that mean that we've debunked another urban legend?
I don't want to be a party pooper here, and not that I don't trust Alex's info, but I'd kinda like to see something with GSN's contact info before I completely buy into at least two previously-only-seen-on-NBC eps showing up on the network when NBC eps had never been on before. Forgive me if I seem skeptical (hey, if I'm wrong, I'll happily take it).
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Seconded on the skepticism...I'll have the TV on for the tribute, but that's really a longshot about the Woolery ep.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'160587\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 02:44 PM\']
Hopefully someone can unconfuse me.
IIRC, we were always led to believe that any Woolery eps (as well as Vanna's first ep) were the property of NBC, and that was the reason GSN couldn't show any of them (that is, when GSN was running WoF on a regular basis). Does that mean that we've debunked another urban legend?
I don't want to be a party pooper here, and not that I don't trust Alex's info, but I'd kinda like to see something with GSN's contact info before I completely buy into at least two previously-only-seen-on-NBC eps showing up on the network when NBC eps had never been on before. Forgive me if I seem skeptical (hey, if I'm wrong, I'll happily take it).
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Is this proof enough?
GSN Press Release (http://\"http://www.gsn.com/corporate/press.php?release_id=299\")
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' post=\'160592\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 03:06 PM\']
Is this proof enough?
GSN Press Release (http://\"http://www.gsn.com/corporate/press.php?release_id=299\")
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That will do.
<Emily Litella>Never mind.<end/EL>
ETA: Then again, Aaron's point below is a darn good one.
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' post=\'160592\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 04:06 PM\']
Is this proof enough?
GSN Press Release (http://\"http://www.gsn.com/corporate/press.php?release_id=299\")
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Hello, Mr. Wayne...my name is Mitch, nice to meet you...I guess I'll be playing at the X podium today...
EDIT: Why did these marathons start at 10am and not 9? Just seems curious to me that Child's Play and CS might not be preemptable.
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OK GSN - what else do you have that you've been holding out on us?
An early Woolery ep - I wonder how early. During E's Wheel of Fortune tribute a few years back, they aired a few clips from the premiere - you don't suppose it could be that, do you? And Vanna's debut...I agree with this statement
Stunts like this make me wish they aired vault stuff more often. A daily hour of whatever they feel like, tying it into some news of the day.
It could be done. It should be done. Damn shame we have to wait for people to die to see it done.
I've always thought they should air the vault shows every so often, or else what's the point of it just sitting there?
Since I'm GSN-less right now, hopefully one of you good folks out there will record it for me :)
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I'm most definitely going to rig up the VCR to tape it, and I'm excited to see what's going to air, but I can't help being realistic about this a little bit. Sorry to rain on anyone's parade or dash hopes, but upon reading the press release, here's what I got out of it:
Saturday's Griffin tribute will feature an early Woolery "Wheel of Fortune" appearance, White's debut in 1982 and the show's first road trip to New York City.
It doesn't come out and say it has episodes with Chuck Woolery and Vanna White's appearance...The show's first road trip to NYC was in the 1988-1989 season, which we know GSN has.
I would LOVE to be proven wrong...And will gladly eat my serving of crow...But what I see airing in Wheel's Marathon are some minor clips of Woolery and White's early appearance, along with full episodes from the 1988-1989 season.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'160605\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 04:17 PM\']
It doesn't come out and say it has episodes with Chuck Woolery and Vanna White's appearance...The show's first road trip to NYC was in the 1988-1989 season, which we know GSN has.
I would LOVE to be proven wrong...And will gladly eat my serving of crow...But what I see airing in Wheel's Marathon are some minor clips of Woolery and White's early appearance, along with full episodes from the 1988-1989 season.
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Excellent point. Skepticism returns (sorry, Pyramid80).
Guess we'll find out Saturday.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'160606\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 04:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'160605\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 04:17 PM\']
It doesn't come out and say it has episodes with Chuck Woolery and Vanna White's appearance...The show's first road trip to NYC was in the 1988-1989 season, which we know GSN has.
I would LOVE to be proven wrong...And will gladly eat my serving of crow...But what I see airing in Wheel's Marathon are some minor clips of Woolery and White's early appearance, along with full episodes from the 1988-1989 season.
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Excellent point. Skepticism returns (sorry, Pyramid80).
Guess we'll find out Saturday.
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Now, I'm feeling a bit skeptic! :-) I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'160605\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 04:17 PM\']
It doesn't come out and say it has episodes with Chuck Woolery and Vanna White's appearance...The show's first road trip to NYC was in the 1988-1989 season, which we know GSN has.
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On the other hand, it doesn't insist it's going to be a short clip, either.
It does, however, make sense that GSN would go out of their way (if they even had to) to show a Woolery episode if one was available, since this would be a rare chance to please us fanatics and (far more importantly) give the host of one of their originals some extra promotional exposure. I'm thinking surely they wouldn't have bothered mentioning Chuck in the release if they weren't planning to show an entire show.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'160612\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 05:45 PM\']
On the other hand, it doesn't insist it's going to be a short clip, either.
It does, however, make sense that GSN would go out of their way (if they even had to) to show a Woolery episode if one was available, since this would be a rare chance to please us fanatics and (far more importantly) give the host of one of their originals some extra promotional exposure. I'm thinking surely they wouldn't have bothered mentioning Chuck in the release if they weren't planning to show an entire show.
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What you are saying absolutely makes sense. It would be neat for them to show Woolery back in the day, who is now known for hosting one of their originals. Like I said, I would love to be proven wrong with this. I will be absolutely thrilled if they show a Woolery episode! However, I also am remembering that this is the network who treated TPiR with just still images in their "countdown".
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'160613\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 05:51 PM\']
However, I also am remembering that this is the network who treated TPiR with just still images in their "countdown".
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Yet, they showed Freakin' Studs. :-P
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'160616\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 05:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'160613\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 05:51 PM\']
However, I also am remembering that this is the network who treated TPiR with just still images in their "countdown".
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Yet, they showed Freakin' Studs. :-P
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"Freakin' Studs" was also still images. It's just that we mentioned it so much that you may *think* that they showed it.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'160612\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 05:45 PM\']It does, however, make sense that GSN would go out of their way (if they even had to) to show a Woolery episode if one was available, since this would be a rare chance to please us fanatics and (far more importantly) give the host of one of their originals some extra promotional exposure. [/quote]
Actually, I will respectfully disagree. Knowing how GSN has operated in the recent past (specifically with regard to their 50 Greatest series), and knowing that this tribute isn't even going to be a prime time affair, it doesn't make sense that they would go out of their way to acquire unusual product for it, especially product that didn't feature Merv himself.
Naturally, I hope I'm wrong.
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Sunday’s “Jeopardy” marathon includes “The $1,000,000 Masters Tournament of Champions” episodes.
"Includes"? It's five hours. The M$MT was ten episodes. At 1/2 hour each, that comes to ... mumble, mumble, carry the two ... five hours. And the last two shows started the Grand Slam Champions marathon.
This is still a damn sight better than they've done in the past.
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Wait a sec...Woolery was on Wheel??
/ducking
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Yup, Woolery hosted Wheel from 1/6/1975-Christmas Day 1981.
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Yup, Woolery hosted Wheel from 1/6/1975-Christmas Day 1981.
Woosh.
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[quote name=\'BobbyLankford_83\' post=\'160682\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 09:05 AM\']
Yup, Woolery hosted Wheel from 1/6/1975-Christmas Day 1981.
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Good freaking Lord.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'160685\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 07:14 AM\']
Yup, Woolery hosted Wheel from 1/6/1975-Christmas Day 1981.
Woosh.
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Yeah, haven't seen one of those in a while, have we? Couldn't happen to a more deserving.....guy.
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Actually, I will respectfully disagree. Knowing how GSN has operated in the recent past (specifically with regard to their 50 Greatest series), and knowing that this tribute isn't even going to be a prime time affair, it doesn't make sense that they would go out of their way to acquire unusual product for it, especially product that didn't feature Merv himself.
I know it's been previously stated that GSN only has the syndicated shows, but we don't know this for sure. It's possible that they could have had the NBC shows (and whatever exists from Woolery) all along and just elected not to run them.
It wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened...
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'160691\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 11:30 AM\']
[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'160685\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 07:14 AM\']
Yup, Woolery hosted Wheel from 1/6/1975-Christmas Day 1981.
Woosh.
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Yeah, haven't seen one of those in a while, have we? Couldn't happen to a more deserving.....guy.
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Hey Bobby, maybe my sarcasm alert bell didn't sound on your computer, but when I wrote "/ducking", I was being sarcastic about my post.
//And no, there shouldn't have been a bell sounding off on your computer, I was being sarcastic again.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'160699\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 12:02 PM\']
I know it's been previously stated that GSN only has the syndicated shows, but we don't know this for sure. It's possible that they could have had the NBC shows (and whatever exists from Woolery) all along and just elected not to run them.
It wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened...[/quote]
Again, while I appreciate your optimism, it would be just this side of bizarre to find they have been sitting on Woolery episodes and not made an effort to run any of them until now, given the importance of Chuck to the network for so many years.
And while "the first time something like this has happened" depends a lot on exactly what you mean by "this", the truth is that we've always had a pretty good sense of what GSN has in its library, and the rare "one-shots" (pilots, 70s Password, Bob Stewart gems) have been extremely rare indeed.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'160705\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 11:26 AM\']
And while "the first time something like this has happened" depends a lot on exactly what you mean by "this", the truth is that we've always had a pretty good sense of what GSN has in its library, and the rare "one-shots" (pilots, 70s Password, Bob Stewart gems) have been extremely rare indeed.
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I've made my skepticism known, but there is one possibility. Didn't the 2000th Fleming J! GSN ran come from what was then the Museum of TV and Radio (now the Paley Center for Media)? If they could play that as a one-shot deal, and knowing that a few scattered Woolery episodes and the 12/13/82 "first official Vanna episode" are in the museum's archives, it is conceivable that GSN could run those (with NBC's blessing, since they're the rightful owners).
Now, how likely that is to happen is where my skepticism comes into play (as it would prolly be easier to license clips from these shows rather than showing the full episodes).
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Points taken...and to be honest, whichever way it turns out won't really surprise me.
The other times this sort of thing has happened I was thinking of are: the 2000th Jeopardy that Doug mentioned; the surprise Headline Chasers episode they showed us once because we weren't entirely sure if they actually had that, despite the fact it was part of Griffin's library; the ABC Newlywed Game episodes which we weren't sure if they had or if they existed; and the ABC Password ep they had all along but didn't show for 11 years.
If they do end up showing an entire Woolery episode, it will be a nice surprise.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'160710\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 12:46 PM\']If they do end up showing an entire Woolery episode, it will be a nice surprise.[/quote]
Agreed. And Doug's scenario definitely makes the most sense. Playing angel's advocate for a minute, we know for sure that they're going to air at least a clip, so they're going to some minimal amount of trouble anyway. The question becomes how far they were willing to go.
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I really don't know if this means anything, but on the promo for the tribute GSN said "See 10 rare Episodes of Wheel on Saturday" while showing clips of Vanna's first show and Chuck and Susan talking. We shall wait until Saturday to see what they show.
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It would also be good if they aired Pat Sajak's last daytime episode, since Merv made an appearance on that show.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'160717\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 01:58 PM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'160710\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 12:46 PM\']If they do end up showing an entire Woolery episode, it will be a nice surprise.[/quote]
Agreed. And Doug's scenario definitely makes the most sense. Playing angel's advocate for a minute, we know for sure that they're going to air at least a clip, so they're going to some minimal amount of trouble anyway. The question becomes how far they were willing to go.
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My guess... if they're going to some amount of trouble to get a clip, they'll probably get the whole show. At least that's what I'm hoping please please please please please please please.
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[quote name=\'bellbm\' post=\'160736\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 04:20 PM\']
It would also be good if they aired Pat Sajak's last daytime episode, since Merv made an appearance on that show.
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Well, if they don't, I've seen it several time on YouTube......
then again, one doesn't know how much linger it'll be there.
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I have new, double-sourced information which at this hour, I cannot share. Let me just say this, then.
Set. Your. TiVos.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'160774\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 10:14 PM\'] I have new, double-sourced information which at this hour, I cannot share. Let me just say this, then.
Set. Your. TiVos. [/quote]
Would you atleast be able to share at what specific time in the marathon this TiVo setting shocker is, or you can't share that, either?
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'160775\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 10:15 PM\']
Would you at least be able to share at what specific time in the marathon this TiVo setting shocker is, or you can't share that, either?[/quote]
No, I truly do not have that piece of information. However, one of them strongly encouraged me to record all five hours. Since my collection of Wheel episodes is paltry, this seems like a logical thing to do on several levels.
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This really sounds like a great marathon. And now Matt has gotten me all excited with the "Set Everything" alert. It really is too bad we have to lose a Game Show Great in order to get rare treats.
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Matt, since you commented that the Wheel of Fortune marathon is "set your TiVos" worthy, do you know anything about the Jeopardy marathon? If so, is it "set your TiVos" worthy?
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[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'160790\' date=\'Aug 15 2007, 11:18 PM\']
Matt, since you commented that the Wheel of Fortune marathon is "set your TiVos" worthy, do you know anything about the Jeopardy marathon? If so, is it "set your TiVos" worthy?
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The J! marathon will be the Million Dollar Masters Tournament. So.......not really.
[Edit: Or whatever that tournament was called....I can't tell one J! tourney from another.]
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I finally got to see the promo for the Wheel of Fortune tribute to Merv Griffin. I not sure if this is what I saw, but didn't I see a clip from a Wheel of Fortune from 1976 (the same show featured over at Brad Francini's tribute?)
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To make a correction: NBC has never "owned" "Wheel," as in owning the series. They may have daytime episodes stored in their vaults, but they've never "owned" the show. The "Califon Productions" dummy company, which was once controlled by Merv and now is controlled by Sony, has always owned "Wheel."
Unlike the G-T/MGP deal, where GSN got on DigiBeta every single kinescope and tape MGP could retain or they knew was extant (and a copy to keep in their own offices for archival purposes), Sony and GSN have always chosen to be selective on converting what they have in their vaults for airing and only David Schwartz (or his successor, if he's left GSN) and whoever at Sony is in charge of keeping the lists of archival film and video know for sure. From Matt's indications, they knew something we didn't know and acted on it.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'160830\' date=\'Aug 16 2007, 11:50 AM\']
To make a correction: NBC has never "owned" "Wheel," as in owning the series. They may have daytime episodes stored in their vaults, but they've never "owned" the show. The "Califon Productions" dummy company, which was once controlled by Merv and now is controlled by Sony, has always owned "Wheel."
Unlike the G-T/MGP deal, where GSN got on DigiBeta every single kinescope and tape MGP could retain or they knew was extant (and a copy to keep in their own offices for archival purposes), Sony and GSN have always chosen to be selective on converting what they have in their vaults for airing and only David Schwartz (or his successor, if he's left GSN) and whoever at Sony is in charge of keeping the lists of archival film and video know for sure. From Matt's indications, they knew something we didn't know and acted on it.
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Good point. So where was it that I saw that control of the daytime episodes was NBC's (and then CBS' when they ran it), rather than Griffin's?
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Just when this tribute is about to air, good ol' Comcast blocks GSN from here.
Congratulations, you've just made my list. (http://\"http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9913/onnoticedh8.jpg\")
(With thanks to Chris L. for first using this in a post a few months ago)
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[quote name=\'NewJersey137\' post=\'160871\' date=\'Aug 16 2007, 04:11 PM\'] Congratulations, you've just made my list. (http://\"http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9913/onnoticedh8.jpg\")[/quote]
It takes a little bit more than cable company tomfoolery and shenanigans to make my list (http://\"http://drbullfish.com/screencaps/OnNotice.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'160876\' date=\'Aug 16 2007, 05:30 PM\']
It takes a little bit more than cable company tomfoolery and shenanigans to make my list (http://\"http://drbullfish.com/screencaps/OnNotice.jpg\")
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I lol'd.
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I'm glad to know we'll finally be seeing two rare gems. There have been in recent years more emerging off-air recordings of Woolery episodes from the 1979-80 period which has made the overall picture a little less bleak than it was for a long time when the only two out there were 6/20/80 and the Tom Kennedy 11/80 appearance, but anytime we raise the total by just one more, is always welcome. That goes likewise for any episodes up to 1983 when the Thicke theme was still there (yes, I know, we'll lose it with split screen credits at the end, but at least we'll have it in the opening and going out to commercials!)
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Are they really gonna crunch the credits? To me, they shouldnt but, we will have to wait and see
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[quote name=\'JaminJon\' post=\'160917\' date=\'Aug 16 2007, 09:51 PM\']
Are they really gonna crunch the credits? To me, they shouldnt but, we will have to wait and see
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They've done it for other celebrity tributes. I'd be really surprised if they decided not to, even for Merv Griffin.
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My VCR is not taping material properly. I'll have to borrow a puppy dog pout (http://\"http://www.curtalliaume.com/puppydogpout6fc.gif\") to hope I can exchange a couple of blank tapes for this.
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They've done it for other celebrity tributes. I'd be really surprised if they decided not to, even for Merv Griffin.
I'd imagine they'll (unfortunately) crunch the credits, but I'm just happy that they're airing a Woolery episode at all, so I can live with it!
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Waiter?
I'll take a plate of your finest crow.
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Are we having fun yet?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'161084\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 09:03 AM\']
Are we having fun yet?
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Since I just found out the hard way they took GSN off my cable at work, too...what exactly am I missing?
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At this moment, (according to the info my contact gave me) episode #368 from 1976 with Chuck and Susan and Alan Thicke's groovy theme.
Greg
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'161085\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 10:05 AM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'161084\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 09:03 AM\']
Are we having fun yet?
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Since I just found out the hard way they took GSN off my cable at work, too...what exactly am I missing?
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Woolery Wheel from 1976.
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Thanks, GSN
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'161084\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 10:03 AM\']
Are we having fun yet?
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Oh, hell yes. Even though Brad Francini's page has this episode kinda recapped, I'm still enjoying watching it.
I have to wonder -- was part of this previously unseen (on GSN) WoF era possible with an OK from Chuck?
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For those keeping score but not able to watch, 2nd episode is Vanna's permanent debut from 1982.
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And next is the first episode of the nighttime run.
Greg
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I believe this one is credited as the first syndicated show.
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Are my eyes lying to me? Is the 3rd episode the first syndicated episode?
/Waiter, a bottle of wine to toast GSN, for doing a tribute right!
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I believe it is, although Pat doesn't make reference to it.
I thought though, Round 1 had $1k as the top prize on Syndie WOF though when it started.
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[quote name=\'Terry K\' post=\'161096\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 11:07 AM\']
I believe it is, although Pat doesn't make reference to it.
I thought though, Round 1 had $1k as the top prize on Syndie WOF though when it started.
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I thought so too...But a quick check on Brad Francini's page says that the only differences very early on were the prize wedge in Round 2 and the $5000 space in Round 3.
I didn't start regularly watching WoF until WCBS added the syndie version in January 1984....Then, while home sick able to check out the daytime version, it seemed really cheap. :)
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'161083\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 09:02 AM\']
Waiter?
I'll take a plate of your finest crow.
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I'll have what he's having.
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We have the news on at work at lunchtime, and they were talking about Merv. Most of the people (heck, all of them, approx 40) at lunch said that they don't watch Wheel anymore because it's "just not the same as it used to be". I agreed. I mentioned about today's marathon and just about everyone said they would have to watch it because "that was when Wheel Of Fortune was good". Mind you, that most of these people are about 18-30 years old. It's pretty bad when the producers say they want to keep the show "fresh and new" when a good sampling of their target demo doesn't even like the new episodes. I thought it was funny.
Anyway, thanks GSN for this great marathon so far.....and maybe if it does well, Wheel will show back up on the schedule?
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It appears episode numero four is the first episode during the "Big Month of Cash" stunt they did.
They're down to six shows... I predict the last five will be a week from Radio City Music Hall, although with what they've given us so far, that's satisfactory.
(Although it'd be the greatest thing ever to see some more daytime Wheel... just hopefully not from the Goen era. :P)
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[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'161099\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 11:30 AM\']
We have the news on at work at lunchtime, and they were talking about Merv. Most of the people (heck, all of them, approx 40) at lunch said that they don't watch Wheel anymore because it's "just not the same as it used to be". I agreed. I mentioned about today's marathon and just about everyone said they would have to watch it because "that was when Wheel Of Fortune was good". Mind you, that most of these people are about 18-30 years old. It's pretty bad when the producers say they want to keep the show "fresh and new" when a good sampling of their target demo doesn't even like the new episodes. I thought it was funny.
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Watching this I was thinking the same thing...when it was about the game and not "mo'money"
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I'll second what your lunchtime sample says. Right now, what looks to be a 1988-ish show is on, where Vanna comes out to the strains of "I'm a Wheel Watcher." This is the point where the show lost it for me. It's way too over-produced, over-tweaked and too gimmicky.
I enjoyed the first three shows of the marathon, though. Nice to see "Wheel" when it was good!
[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'161099\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 11:30 AM\']
We have the news on at work at lunchtime, and they were talking about Merv. Most of the people (heck, all of them, approx 40) at lunch said that they don't watch Wheel anymore because it's "just not the same as it used to be". I agreed. I mentioned about today's marathon and just about everyone said they would have to watch it because "that was when Wheel Of Fortune was good". Mind you, that most of these people are about 18-30 years old. It's pretty bad when the producers say they want to keep the show "fresh and new" when a good sampling of their target demo doesn't even like the new episodes. I thought it was funny.
Anyway, thanks GSN for this great marathon so far.....and maybe if it does well, Wheel will show back up on the schedule?
[/quote]
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[quote name=\'bclark71\' post=\'161102\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 11:36 AM\']
I'll second what your lunchtime sample says. Right now, what looks to be a 1988-ish show is on, where Vanna comes out to the strains of "I'm a Wheel Watcher." This is the point where the show lost it for me. It's way too over-produced, over-tweaked and too gimmicky.
I enjoyed the first three shows of the marathon, though. Nice to see "Wheel" when it was good![/quote]
I thought it was the first (if not one of the first) all-cash shows from 1987. Given that Jack Clark is still announcing in this episode, it'd have to be in the 1987-88 timeframe before his death.
[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'161099\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 11:30 AM\']
We have the news on at work at lunchtime, and they were talking about Merv. Most of the people (heck, all of them, approx 40) at lunch said that they don't watch Wheel anymore because it's "just not the same as it used to be". I agreed. I mentioned about today's marathon and just about everyone said they would have to watch it because "that was when Wheel Of Fortune was good". Mind you, that most of these people are about 18-30 years old. It's pretty bad when the producers say they want to keep the show "fresh and new" when a good sampling of their target demo doesn't even like the new episodes. I thought it was funny.
Anyway, thanks GSN for this great marathon so far.....and maybe if it does well, Wheel will show back up on the schedule?
[/quote]
I fall right in the middle of the 18-30 age bracket and I couldn't agree myself! Wheel lost its interest for me by the mid-90's when the show became so overwrought with gimmicks that it became merely unwatchable. It doesn't help that the competition nowadays (game show and non-game show) and in the recent past helped keep me away.
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12 noon brings us a Radio City episode (NYC) from 1988
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12:30 jumps us way, way ahead to 1997 with the first episode with the new (current) puzzleboard. I don't have a good feeling about the last two hours, though 1997 Wheel is at least somewhat tolerable compared to 2007 wheel though it doesn't hold a candle to 80's Wheel.
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There are still some more surprises in store. Trust me.
Greg
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[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'161110\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 12:31 PM\']
12:30 jumps us way, way ahead to 1997 with the first episode with the new (current) puzzleboard. I don't have a good feeling about the last two hours, though 1997 Wheel is at least somewhat tolerable compared to 2007 wheel though it doesn't hold a candle to 80's Wheel.
[/quote]
I wonder just how far forward GSN has access to? I have a feeling we may see the debut of the bonus prize wheel from a few years back, but wonder what else will turn up.
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Guess that answers my question--1pm is Wheel's 4000th show (from Radio City) from 2003
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1:30's episode is the 1996 April Fools Day, with Alex hosting, Pat's wife at the board, and featuring Pat and Vanna as contestants playing for charity.
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Today's GSN "WOF" tribute to Merv Griffin kicks some big-time butt!!!!
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1997, actually. (I know this only because I remember where I was watching the J! show from the same day.)
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'161120\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 01:50 PM\']
1997, actually. (I know this only because I remember where I was watching the J! show from the same day.)
[/quote]
Yup...Somewhere I have the original on-air broadcast of some of it (once I realized what was going on, I started to tape).
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2pm gives us Pat's last show on NBC from 1989
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[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'161122\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 01:04 PM\']
2pm gives us Pat's last show on NBC from 1989
[/quote]
I'm away from home now, I feel like I should have set the VCR AND the TIVO, just in case something happened to the TIVO.
This is an absolutely excellent marathon!
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WoF debuted on NBC on 1/6/75. IF (somewhat big assumption here) the succession was as simple as 1-5, 6-10, etc., then episode 368 should have aired on 6/2/76.
Just thought I'd share my arithmetic for anyone else who likes precise information when they keep shows.
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Next is the 10th Anniversary show from 1992.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'161124\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 02:11 PM\']
WoF debuted on NBC on 1/6/75. IF (somewhat big assumption here) the succession was as simple as 1-5, 6-10, etc., then episode 368 should have aired on 6/2/76.
[/quote]
A quick search of the Wikipedia article on daytime Wheel mentions that the episode of 6/3/76 exists and is in the Library of Congress. You're merely a day off, so this could be that episode.
As this wraps up, massive kudos to GSN!! If only they could have been this creative with Jeopardy tomorrow rather than dragging out the Million Dollar Masters for the umpteenth time.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'161124\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 02:11 PM\']
WoF debuted on NBC on 1/6/75. IF (somewhat big assumption here) the succession was as simple as 1-5, 6-10, etc., then episode 368 should have aired on 6/2/76.
Just thought I'd share my arithmetic for anyone else who likes precise information when they keep shows.
[/quote]
The Library of Congress has this episode in their archives and they have it listed as being "published" on June 7, 1976. I didn't think that was very accurate, but I guess 3 pre-emptions is reasonable since Wheel had only been around for one holiday season at that point.
Greg
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[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'161128\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 02:33 PM\']
If only they could have been this creative with Jeopardy tomorrow rather than dragging out the Million Dollar Masters for the umpteenth time.
[/quote]
The way I read the press release, the marathon includes the $1,000,000 tournament but is not necessarily doing so to the exclusion of anything else. So tape will still roll at my hut.
And I join all of you in the kudos for GSN. Too bad it takes someone dying to get these things shown.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'161141\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 02:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'161128\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 02:33 PM\']
If only they could have been this creative with Jeopardy tomorrow rather than dragging out the Million Dollar Masters for the umpteenth time.
[/quote]
The way I read the press release, the marathon includes the $1,000,000 tournament but is not necessarily doing so to the exclusion of anything else. So tape will still roll at my hut.
And I join all of you in the kudos for GSN. Too bad it takes someone dying to get these things shown.
[/quote]
At worst you DVR and then dump it-but better to be safe than sorry.
Thanks GSN, and to those who posted earlier with the episode details. Now to find 5 hours of time to dub the shows over to DVD!
Matt
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Until this marathon, had GSN ever shown even a single daytime or Woolery wheel?
Just makes one wonder exactly how much WoF they have converted...
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'161145\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 03:34 PM\'] Until this marathon, had GSN ever shown even a single daytime or Woolery wheel?
Just makes one wonder exactly how much WoF they have converted... [/quote]
I'm pretty sure no Woolery Wheel episodes have aired on GSN. However, maybe the episode where they look back and show clips of old Wheel has been aired? I'm not sure, I don't know how much of the show GSN has aired.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'161141\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 03:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'161128\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 02:33 PM\']
If only they could have been this creative with Jeopardy tomorrow rather than dragging out the Million Dollar Masters for the umpteenth time.
[/quote]
The way I read the press release, the marathon includes the $1,000,000 tournament but is not necessarily doing so to the exclusion of anything else. So tape will still roll at my hut.
And I join all of you in the kudos for GSN. Too bad it takes someone dying to get these things shown.
[/quote]
According to my contact at GSN, it will only be the 10 episodes of that tournament.
Greg
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Until this marathon, had GSN ever shown even a single daytime or Woolery wheel?
Not a single daytime episode until today.
I'm willing to bet that this isn't a case of sitting on the prized tape for years on end; most likely they just acquired #368 relatively recently, similar to their past acquisitions ofJeopardy #2000 and Eye Guess which were soon followed by subsequent airings.
TV Guide aired a special on 'Wheel' which included clips from another episode that appeared to come from 1979 or 1980, so perhaps GSN has that one as well?
They've always been sitting on Woolery's Shopper's Bazaar pilot, however.
--Jamie
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Thanks again to GSN. I knew I couldn't get up at 10, so I just set a 6-hour block of TiVo to record. I just finished it up and I am most throughly pleased with the turnout of the marathon. If only this could be the gateway to get daily airings of the show...
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Wow, that is as much as I can muster from the shock of seeing this marathon. It was a fantastic marathon to watch once I picked my jaw up from the floor watching that Woolery episode.
A worthy tribute to the late, great Merv Griffin to be sure!
Tim :-)
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WOW...I am SO glad I asked someone to tape these for me! I've wanted that April Fool's episode for a while, and those daytime episodes and early syndie episodes only sweeten the deal.
Thanks a million, GSN; I bet Merv is definitely smiling down on you right now...:) (and I'm smiling at you!)
Anthony
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Dammit, I completely missed it! I doubt there will be any repeats, I assume...
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[quote name=\'johnnyd1788\' post=\'161190\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 09:55 PM\']
Dammit, I completely missed it! I doubt there will be any repeats, I assume...[/quote]
I'm going to guess one or two people have it on tape.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'161201\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 11:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'johnnyd1788\' post=\'161190\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 09:55 PM\']
Dammit, I completely missed it! I doubt there will be any repeats, I assume...[/quote]
I'm going to guess one or two people have it on tape.
[/quote]
I'm guessing probably a lot more have it on tapes, TiVos, DVDs just to keep a record of it. Oh yeah Johnny, if you want to trade for it, send me a message.
I'm waiting for two things at this point: bwood's friends reactions to the marathon (although it was a REALLY nice day around here) and the ratings for this.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'161201\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 11:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'johnnyd1788\' post=\'161190\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 09:55 PM\']
Dammit, I completely missed it! I doubt there will be any repeats, I assume...[/quote]
I'm going to guess one or two people have it on tape.
[/quote]
I taped the whole thing in SP if anyone's interested. Would have recorded to DVD but I don't have a working DVD recorder.
Greg
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GSN has pretty much swept WOF under the rug the past few years and it's a piece of their library that they don't exploit as often as they should. If they can figure out a way to do it where they're not running the same season over and over again, they should.
I hope you guys were paying attention to that '76 episode and listening to Charlie O'Donnell reading off the prizes - that is when he was at his best, IMHO. Great delivery, tone, everything you'd want in an announcer.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'161219\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 05:36 AM\']
I hope you guys were paying attention to that '76 episode and listening to Charlie O'Donnell reading off the prizes - that is when he was at his best, IMHO. Great delivery, tone, everything you'd want in an announcer.
[/quote]
Charlie's great but hearing Jack Clark again reminded me of why he is my favorite game show announcer.
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I believe it is, although Pat doesn't make reference to it.
There's no reference because at that time (fall 1983) shows could still be "bicycled", meaning they could have run out-of-order in different markets. Although in my area, they ran in the exact same order 2 weeks apart - WKBW actually started airing it in late August, and two weeks later WHEC picked it up and ran it in the exact same order starting from the first episode.
I believe it was the following fall where all stations started getting it via satellite, and running the same episode on the same day.
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Charlie's great but hearing Jack Clark again reminded me of why he is my favorite game show announcer.
...and hearing "Frisco Disco" (the 1978 Jeopardy theme) play in the background was a nice treat too! Always been among my favorite themes.
So GSN aired 3 NBC episodes - I know there's been some debate about this but I still have a hard time believing they wouldn't have had at least the Sajak daytime episodes all along. They are part of the Griffin library. Maybe they just decided to go with the syndicated shows because of the bigger money and high ratings they generated when first run. Earlier in the thread it was mentioned the daytime episodes "seemed cheap".
Since GSN aired Wheel from when they went on the air, they did do a similar thing with a couple of their other shows. An example, it was always known the last year of Joker's Wild was in existence, yet GSN went with the syndicated version of that show and never touched the daytime version until the '72 episodes were found in 2000. Maybe they just figured the syndie version of Wheel might get better ratings(?)
I have no doubt they made special arrangements to acquire the Woolery episode.
Either way, it was nice of GSN to do this.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'161243\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 12:33 PM\']
I have no doubt they made special arrangements to acquire the Woolery episode.
Either way, it was nice of GSN to do this.
[/quote]
Furthermore, I'm convinced the only reason they did this was because Chuck was involved, and he's their main star. Had Wheel started with Kookie, I'm speculating they would have just went with Pat.
/Go get "Scrabble" then. That's a word game that I'd imagine would still hold up well 20 years later as a good playalong.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'161244\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 12:35 PM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'161243\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 12:33 PM\']
I have no doubt they made special arrangements to acquire the Woolery episode.
Either way, it was nice of GSN to do this.
[/quote]
Furthermore, I'm convinced the only reason they did this was because Chuck was involved, and he's their main star. Had Wheel started with Kookie, I'm speculating they would have just went with Pat.
/Go get "Scrabble" then. That's a word game that I'd imagine would still hold up well 20 years later as a good playalong.
[/quote]
I agree on that especially with this little factoid: As a little over a day ago, Scrabble now is the sole Chuck-hosted national game that hasn't been run on GSN in some form. Given Fremantle owns the rights to Scrabble and GSN deals with Fremantle for the G-T shows and PYL, it wouldn't be that hard if doing was easier than saying.
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It was really nice to see the older episodes to remind me of how it was years ago. I never had a chance to see the April Fools show or the 4,000th show before, so that was a nice treat for me. My wife was watching the Chuck episode and she said, "I didn't know he was on Wheel of Fortune". (Yep, she said that.) Too bad GSN didn't treat Jeopardy like that today. Oh well, can't have everything.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'161243\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 12:33 PM\']
Charlie's great but hearing Jack Clark again reminded me of why he is my favorite game show announcer.
...and hearing "Frisco Disco" (the 1978 Jeopardy theme) play in the background was a nice treat too! Always been among my favorite themes.
So GSN aired 3 NBC episodes - I know there's been some debate about this but I still have a hard time believing they wouldn't have had at least the Sajak daytime episodes all along. They are part of the Griffin library. Maybe they just decided to go with the syndicated shows because of the bigger money and high ratings they generated when first run. Earlier in the thread it was mentioned the daytime episodes "seemed cheap".
[/quote]
My thought is that the syndicated show was rerun because they are self contained.
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It was really nice to see the older episodes to remind me of how it was years ago.
Did you catch that four-digit scoreboard? I guess at that time they never thought anyone would actually win over $10,000 in one show.
Agreed about Scrabble - if GSN is going to acquire any other "name" shows, this should be the one.
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Is there anyone who has put these WOF episodes on their computer or plans to BitTorrent them or anything? I'd love to put these on DVD, but I can't get them from TiVo --> VHS --> Computer.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'161335\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 10:48 PM\']
but I can't get them from TiVo --> VHS --> Computer.
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What kind of Tivo is it? If it''s a Series 2, you can run Tivo Desktop and transfer them directly, no dicking around with a VCR:
http://tivo.com/mytivo/domore/tivotogo/index.html (http://\"http://tivo.com/mytivo/domore/tivotogo/index.html\")
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Unfortunately, it's a DirecTV TiVo which doesn't have the same capabilities as the normal stand-alones.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'161339\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 11:16 PM\']
Unfortunately, it's a DirecTV TiVo which doesn't have the same capabilities as the normal stand-alones.
[/quote]
You are correct, sir. In that case...
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5729/nosoupforyoumk8.png (http://\"http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5729/nosoupforyoumk8.png\")
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'161340\' date=\'Aug 20 2007, 02:32 AM\']
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'161339\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 11:16 PM\']
Unfortunately, it's a DirecTV TiVo which doesn't have the same capabilities as the normal stand-alones.
[/quote]
You are correct, sir. In that case...
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5729/nosoupforyoumk8.png (http://\"http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5729/nosoupforyoumk8.png\")
[/quote]
That is correct...
...unless a faithful GSF user comes through. ;)
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'161341\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 11:35 PM\']
That is correct...
...unless a faithful GSF user comes through. ;)
[/quote]
Well, I meant with regard to getting Tivo Desktop working with your unit, but yeah. :)
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I've been thinking about get a system for my room so that I can get all of the normal (extra for me) capabilities, but I really don't feel like paying a monthly fee when we've got the basic thing already.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'161344\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 11:41 PM\']
I've been thinking about get a system for my room so that I can get all of the normal (extra for me) capabilities, but I really don't feel like paying a monthly fee when we've got the basic thing already.
[/quote]
Especially when yer paying six bucks a month as opposed to the $13 the rest of us are. :)
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If anyone recorded it to DVR, feel free to e-mail me and arrange a trade...was also away from home and couldn't do so myself, but it def sounds like a keeper.
Chuck Donegan (The Impressed "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'161204\' date=\'Aug 18 2007, 11:58 PM\']
I'm waiting for two things at this point: bwood's friends reactions to the marathon (although it was a REALLY nice day around here) and the ratings for this.
[/quote]
Well, the verdict is in (as far as my co-workers go). All that watched it enjoyed it very much. They all even said that they even liked the '97 episodes (which I can agree, it was still watchable then, no million colors of light, etc.). Their statements all still stand as well "It was Wheel when Wheel was good".
Of course, not everyone sat down and watched it all the way through (it WAS a very nice day, I was even out for a while with TiVo rolling), they mostly just watched it in bits and pieces (episode here, episode there) but all agreed that they would watch classic episodes regularly if it returned to GSN's schedule.
Most of them never knew Woolery hosted Wheel, and those that saw it said they enjoyed it. Some of the "young folk" were shocked by the shopping too, and I had to explain that. One guy even said that he missed the Woolery ep and wanted to know if he could have a tape of it because he wanted to watch it, I told him I'd give him a copy. He's pretty much your average Joe Plinko too, so I was shocked. But hey, I'll do anything to spread the game show "fever".
I would also like to know the ratings, due to the fact that a majority of the people at work watched it, and I also personally know people who hardly EVER have GSN on, that were watching this marathon Saturday.
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' post=\'161399\' date=\'Aug 20 2007, 05:49 PM\']
If anyone recorded it to DVR, feel free to e-mail me and arrange a trade...was also away from home and couldn't do so myself, but it def sounds like a keeper.
Chuck Donegan (The Impressed "Chuckie Baby")
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Why doesn't that surprise me? :)
I can assume that the J! episodes were the M$M tourney?
I love how GSN gave a damn about the Wheel episodes, but didn't about J!.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'161403\' date=\'Aug 20 2007, 06:43 PM\']
I can assume that the J! episodes were the M$M tourney?[/quote]
Yep, they showed all ten episodes of the tourney.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'161403\' date=\'Aug 20 2007, 06:43 PM\']
[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' post=\'161399\' date=\'Aug 20 2007, 05:49 PM\']
If anyone recorded it to DVR, feel free to e-mail me and arrange a trade...was also away from home and couldn't do so myself, but it def sounds like a keeper.
Chuck Donegan (The Impressed "Chuckie Baby")
[/quote]
Why doesn't that surprise me? :)
I can assume that the J! episodes were the M$M tourney?[/quote]
Right you are!!!
I love how GSN gave a damn about the Wheel episodes, but didn't about J!.
They lazed out on J!, but had to work for Wheel. Some other J! could have worked--one of the few Fleming episodes they have, Trebek's first, some of the big winners, April Fools '97, etc--but it's GSN's loss...
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'161339\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 11:16 PM\']
Unfortunately, it's a DirecTV TiVo which doesn't have the same capabilities as the normal stand-alones.
[/quote]
A little late for you now, but it might be useful for future GSN marathons: if you're comfortable with the idea of opening up your TiVo, you can follow the TiVo Zipper hack procedure (http://\"http://www.mastersav.com/tivo_zipper.html\"), which gives TiVo Desktop-esque functionality to the DirecTV TiVos (among other things).
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[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'161410\' date=\'Aug 20 2007, 06:28 PM\']They lazed out on J!, but had to work for Wheel. Some other J! could have worked--one of the few Fleming episodes they have, Trebek's first, some of the big winners, April Fools '97, etc--but it's GSN's loss...
[/quote]
And ours. Considering what I've come to expect, I would have been content with just the two April Fool's Day shows.
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[quote name=\'trainman\' post=\'161414\' date=\'Aug 20 2007, 07:40 PM\']
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'161339\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 11:16 PM\']
Unfortunately, it's a DirecTV TiVo which doesn't have the same capabilities as the normal stand-alones.
[/quote]
A little late for you now, but it might be useful for future GSN marathons: if you're comfortable with the idea of opening up your TiVo, you can follow the TiVo Zipper hack procedure (http://\"http://www.mastersav.com/tivo_zipper.html\"), which gives TiVo Desktop-esque functionality to the DirecTV TiVos (among other things).
[/quote]
In early '08 DirecTV/TiVo is supposed to send out a software upgrade to add some new features/enhancements to the DirecTivo. I don't have the specifics on what they are in front of me at this time, but I'm sure it's on their site in the press releases. I don't think it was anything too fancy, but anything is better than what is offered now as far as features go (when put up against the standalones). I do remember the "scheduling recordings via internet" was an upgrade that will be included, which is nice.
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[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'161453\' date=\'Aug 20 2007, 10:24 PM\']
In early '08 DirecTV/TiVo is supposed to send out a software upgrade to add some new features/enhancements to the DirecTivo. I don't have the specifics on what they are in front of me at this time, but I'm sure it's on their site in the press releases.
[/quote]
And that press release may be found here (http://\"http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=127160&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1034357&highlight=\").
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One of the things I noticed which get me off track on trying the date the Woolery show was Susan coming out with the hand mike at the top of the show--at the beginning of the run, she intro'd the contestants with a hand mike at the top, standing to the right of the set, but soon they were just having her do the bow and turn. I'm wondering if she was unhappy that they had run out of time at the end too many times lately and wanted to make sure she got her talking time in.
And then there were no prize mentions at all in the opening, which had been the one constant in all "Wheel" openings until the early 90s--just "Just look at this studio filled with fabulous prizes--valued at over..." Interesting since it seemed to me for years that "Wheel" was the only game show where the opening got longer over the years rather than shorter (until the late 90s, of course).
And I had forgotten Pat's "come here baby" kiss of Vanna on the last network show (and Merv's cameo).
And I don't think that when Pat said on her first permanent show that he'd be looking forward to working with Vanna in the days, months and years ahead that it would be 25 years and counting.
Nice job, GSN.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'161511\' date=\'Aug 21 2007, 03:32 PM\']
And I had forgotten Pat's "come here baby" kiss of Vanna on the last network show (and Merv's cameo).
[/quote]
Well, his last network WoF show, anyway (there were still a couple of years left in the daytime run).
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'161512\' date=\'Aug 21 2007, 04:37 PM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'161511\' date=\'Aug 21 2007, 03:32 PM\']
And I had forgotten Pat's "come here baby" kiss of Vanna on the last network show (and Merv's cameo).
[/quote]
Well, his last network WoF show, anyway (there were still a couple of years left in the daytime run).
[/quote]
I don't blame any of you for forgetting that Rolf Benirschke took over the following Monday.
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I don't blame any of you for forgetting that Rolf Benirschke took over the following Monday.
I'll lay odds that we never see his run (or Goen's, for that matter) on GSN :)
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'161517\' date=\'Aug 21 2007, 05:43 PM\']
I don't blame any of you for forgetting that Rolf Benirschke took over the following Monday.
[/quote]
Speaking of which:
Watching that last Pat NBC show over the weekend, I was surprised to see that Pat did not mention Rolf by name, even suggesting that it was a big surprise.
My question for the folks-in-the-know (NOT the folks-in-the-guessing), how far was this ep taped before the next batch with Rolf started...and was there back-story? Was there some other host who bailed late in the hiatus to leave them scrambling , wondering on air who the replacement would be?
Just wondering, tis all.
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Facts I was able to discern via NewpspaerArchive. Other people may be able to fill in gaps
Feb 24 1988 - first announcement of Sajak's CBS show
May 1988 - Pat still taping daytime shows (from an article about a contestant)
Jul 27 1988 - Jack Clark dies
Nov 11 1988 - article mentions Tim Brando as a possibility
Nov 20 1988 - Goddess of Love airs
Dec 13 1988 - first announcement of Benirschke
Dec 14 1988 - first taping of Benirschke
Jan 9 1989 - first airing of Benirschke
May 28 1989 - a UPI article mentions that Roger Twibell was the #2 choice for the WOF job after Benirschke. I've never heard that one before.
June 5 1989 - NBC announces cancellation of Wheel
June 30 1989 - last airing of Benirschke, one article mentions new host possibilities include Pat Finn, John Davidson, Chuck Henry and Bob Eubanks
July 8 1989 - first announcement of Goen
July 17 1989 - first airing of Goen
April 9 1990 - last Pat Sajak show
--Mike
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'161561\' date=\'Aug 21 2007, 10:04 PM\']
June 30 1989 - last airing of Benirschke, one article mentions new host possibilities include Pat Finn, John Davidson, Chuck Henry and Bob Eubanks
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Now those are/were some interesting possibilities.
I don't blame any of you for forgetting that Rolf Benirschke took over the following Monday.
While Rolf was nothing special, that's for sure, I don't think he was nearly as bad as people make him out to be. How many times did Bert Convy screw something up?
I'll lay odds that we never see his run (or Goen's, for that matter) on GSN :)
I'll say that GSN throws in a Goen episode sometime in the distant future to promote Goen after Woolery disappears.
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Thanks to all who replied to my earlier post...found a source for the marathon, but I appreciate the offers.
Chuck Donegan (The Grateful "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'161561\' date=\'Aug 21 2007, 11:04 PM\']
Feb 24 1988 - first announcement of Sajak's CBS show
May 1988 - Pat still taping daytime shows (from an article about a contestant)
Jul 27 1988 - Jack Clark dies
Nov 11 1988 - article mentions Tim Brando as a possibility
Nov 20 1988 - Goddess of Love airs
Dec 13 1988 - first announcement of Benirschke
Dec 14 1988 - first taping of Benirschke
Jan 9 1989 - first airing of Benirschke
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Nice work, first of all.
Interesting. They had 10 months to find a host, and waited until Dec. Furthermore, the immediate next day after the announcement, he was taping . Now, I'm not saying they didn't know it would be Rolf until Dec 13, but it does beg the curiousity : Did they have trouble filling the spot? Certainly by Dec, they were running out of time.
And Roger Twibell? Of ABC Sports? Geez.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'161561\' date=\'Aug 21 2007, 10:04 PM\']
June 30 1989 - last airing of Benirschke, one article mentions new host possibilities include Pat Finn, John Davidson, Chuck Henry and Bob Eubanks
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My kingdom for anyone who can figure out how Wheel of Fortune could have become a game of definitions.
(other selections would have been good.)
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'161591\' date=\'Aug 22 2007, 08:53 AM\']
Interesting. They had 10 months to find a host, and waited until Dec. Furthermore, the immediate next day after the announcement, he was taping . Now, I'm not saying they didn't know it would be Rolf until Dec 13, but it does beg the curiousity : Did they have trouble filling the spot? Certainly by Dec, they were running out of time.
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Wasn't Jimmy Connors up for it, and supposedly nailed the audition, but commentating commitments stood in the way?
Or is that just rampant speculation?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'161583\' date=\'Aug 22 2007, 02:24 AM\']
While Rolf was nothing special, that's for sure, I don't think he was nearly as bad as people make him out to be.
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Of course you don't.
The difference is that when Convy screwed up, he handled it with a fair amount of aplomb. Benirshke was a deer in the headlights from start to finish. He was EVERY bit as bad as people make him out to be.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'161597\' date=\'Aug 22 2007, 11:39 AM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'161583\' date=\'Aug 22 2007, 02:24 AM\']
While Rolf was nothing special, that's for sure, I don't think he was nearly as bad as people make him out to be.
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Of course you don't.
The difference is that when Convy screwed up, he handled it with a fair amount of aplomb. Benirshke was a deer in the headlights from start to finish. He was EVERY bit as bad as people make him out to be.
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I actually liked watching Rolf Benirschke and still do, though I'm obviously biased due to his other work. That said, hasn't Rolf himself readily admitted -- pretty much every time the subject has come up -- that he wasn't a good fit for the job?
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'161599\' date=\'Aug 22 2007, 08:49 AM\']
I actually liked watching Rolf Benirschke and still do, though I'm obviously biased due to his other work.
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You can like him fine, just don't go suggesting that he was a remotely good host. :)
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'161599\' date=\'Aug 22 2007, 11:49 AM\']
I actually liked watching Rolf Benirschke and still do, though I'm obviously biased due to his other work. That said, hasn't Rolf himself readily admitted -- pretty much every time the subject has come up -- that he wasn't a good fit for the job?
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Yeah he said it on the E! True Hollywood Story that "He was not the right fit for the show". He can sing that in ragtime.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'161597\' date=\'Aug 22 2007, 08:39 AM\']The difference is that when Convy screwed up, he handled it with a fair amount of aplomb.[/quote]
Well, he was quite experienced in that area....
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'161592\' date=\'Aug 22 2007, 10:03 AM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'161561\' date=\'Aug 21 2007, 10:04 PM\']
June 30 1989 - last airing of Benirschke, one article mentions new host possibilities include Pat Finn, John Davidson, Chuck Henry and Bob Eubanks
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My kingdom for anyone who can figure out how Wheel of Fortune could have become a game of definitions.
(other selections would have been good.)
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Didn't you have to use the "Megaword" in a sentence that showed you knew what it meant? :-p
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Sorry if this has been posted before, but I haven't found it. Does anyone have the original air date of the 10th anniversary WOF and the date of the first of the new puzzleboard? Thanks
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[quote name=\'splinkynip\' post=\'161954\' date=\'Aug 26 2007, 12:51 AM\']
Does anyone have the original air date of the 10th anniversary WOF and the date of the first of the new puzzleboard? Thanks
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The new board debuted late-February 1997, I wanna say the 24th.
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According to Wikipedia, the debut of the new puzzleboard debuted on 2/24/97 and the episode from the 10th Anniversary debut week that was just shown was originally aired on 9/10/92. A contestant named Denise was actually the first champion of the 10th Anniversary season as far as I can think of.
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An unsubstantiated reply followed by two tidbits nobody asked for. LOVE IT.