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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: Winkfan on September 17, 2003, 06:53:09 PM
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According to 'the Perfesser.....'
"GSN will telescope Black and White Overnight to one hour (two shows) beginning Nov. 3 and expand paid programming to 5-6 a.m. (EDT)"
Wanna bet which two shows are gonna stay on?
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Michelina Martel of the Big Board!'
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My stament regarding this:
(Long Chain of Expletives deleted)
My bet would be WML and IGAS. If PW and/or TTTT stay, I'd be pleasantly surprised.....
Also: I've got to wonder why an hour of B&WO is getting the can. If it's to pay for Millionaire, or more eps of Sony shows, then, dangit, send 'em back.....
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[quote name=\'Winkfan\' date=\'Sep 17 2003, 05:53 PM\'] According to 'the Perfesser.....'
"GSN will telescope Black and White Overnight to one hour (two shows) beginning Nov. 3 and expand paid programming to 5-6 a.m. (EDT)"
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When I first read that on his site, I got excited. Yes! Excited! I thought it meant that paid programming was only going to be on 5-6AM and that was it.
But I guess not.
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I think I'll say......
[expletive deleted]
At this rate, we may be seeing TJW and TTD back in.......2030, and even then it'll be the 1990 versions because \"YOU WWIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!\" and \"Next definition, last definition, next word\" became edgy sometime.:-P
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They've got to pay for Millionaire somehow since I doubt they're printing up bills in one of the buildings in the Sony lot.
(the mouse does need his cheese, you know...it ain't cheap!)
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\"GSN will telescope Black and White Overnight to one hour (two shows) beginning Nov. 3 and expand paid programming to 5-6 a.m. (EDT)\"
I have two choice words that can sum up exactly how I feel about this move...
OH (--BLEEP--)!
I guess I'll be hitting the haystack a bit earlyer come Nov.
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Quite frankly, dear ones, I'm surprised Black & White Overnight has lasted this long. And at least we've still got the one hour.
But this news is still a pisser.
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Game Show Network is going to expand its informercials to 4 hours a day from 3 hours a day starting in November? That could or could not be worse!
When GSN first carried informercials (in the middle of the Goodson-Todman game show-less DARK PERIOD) in January 1998 the informercials were 5-6 hours a day, later they were reduced to 3-4 hours a day.
Were airing informercials on GSN to raise money to get the rights to the Goodson-Todman game show library back? I bet this could be the same when the informercials become 4 hours a day to: 1) Raise money to get Sony owned game shows leased for more than 1 season of each show - maybe even bring back in 2004 \"Joker's Wild\" and \"Tic Tac Dough\", 2) Raise money to get music licences cleared on Sony's owned Chuck Barris game shows (\"Dating Game\", \"Gong Show\", and \"Treasure Hunt\") and maybe get the rights to \"Name That Tune\", 3) Raise money to keep the Goodson-Todman library, 4) Raise money to get rights to add more game shows to its library like NBC's \"Concentration\" and \"Classic Concentration\" or even get the entire \"The Price is Right\" library back, 5) Raise money in case the 2 hour 3 day a weekend video games block flops and vanishes from GSN after at least 1 month, 6) Anything else you can think of if possible?
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[quote name=\'dheine1971\' date=\'Sep 18 2003, 02:24 PM\'] Game Show Network is going to expand its informercials to 4 hours a day from 3 hours a day starting in November? That could or could not be worse!
When GSN first carried informercials (in the middle of the Goodson-Todman game show-less DARK PERIOD) in January 1998 the informercials were 5-6 hours a day, later they were reduced to 3-4 hours a day.
Were airing informercials on GSN to raise money to get the rights to the Goodson-Todman game show library back? I bet this could be the same when the informercials become 4 hours a day to: 1) Raise money to get Sony owned game shows leased for more than 1 season of each show - maybe even bring back in 2004 "Joker's Wild" and "Tic Tac Dough", 2) Raise money to get music licences cleared on Sony's owned Chuck Barris game shows ("Dating Game", "Gong Show", and "Treasure Hunt") and maybe get the rights to "Name That Tune", 3) Raise money to keep the Goodson-Todman library, 4) Raise money to get rights to add more game shows to its library like NBC's "Concentration" and "Classic Concentration" or even get the entire "The Price is Right" library back, 5) Raise money in case the 2 hour 3 day a weekend video games block flops and vanishes from GSN after at least 1 month, 6) Anything else you can think of if possible? [/quote]
7)Enough money to pay you to quit posting inane crap.
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[quote name=\'dheine1971\' date=\'Sep 18 2003, 12:24 PM\'] maybe even bring back in 2004 "Joker's Wild" and "Tic Tac Dough", [/quote]
Jesus, would you people STOP WITH THIS? There are people from GSN who read this board, y'all have made it eminently clear you want these shows back, and running it into the ground is getting annoying.
How about:
7) Some beancounter somewhere figured out that the number of viewers they would lost by dropping the B/W block to two hours was well worth the enhanced revenue they would take in by running informercials in that slot.
After all, with all of the whining I have seen, I don't think I've seen a single soul suggest an out and out boycott, so it seems GSN has lost nothing-nada-zero-not a sausage from doing this.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Sep 18 2003, 03:17 PM\'] How about:
7) Some beancounter somewhere figured out that the number of viewers they would lost by dropping the B/W block to two hours was well worth the enhanced revenue they would take in by running informercials in that slot.
After all, with all of the whining I have seen, I don't think I've seen a single soul suggest an out and out boycott, so it seems GSN has lost nothing-nada-zero-not a sausage from doing this. [/quote]
My guess is \"Millionaire\" off-network from ABC, a network hurting for $$, did not come cheap.
I would like them to at least try to burn through all the TTTT's from the daytime run, because they're darn interesting.
And let's be real about this...GSN has plain spoiled us for two years with the block, and the WMLs and IGAS's are treading very familiar territory now...probably it'll be \"Truth\" and \"Password\" called to continue past November.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Sep 18 2003, 03:17 PM\']After all, with all of the whining I have seen, I don't think I've seen a single soul suggest an out and out boycott, so it seems GSN has lost nothing-nada-zero-not a sausage from doing this.[/quote]
Boycott, no. I think people should watch what they want to, and it's not my place to tell others how to get their entertainment. Personally, though, I haven't hit 309 on the dish in about a month. The only thing that entices me has been the early-run Feuds, and that's just not enough for a network to get my attention, especially with all of the fall shuffling that's been going on.
Sorry, but I can say I just don't plain watch it anymore. Makes a guy want to save some bucks and drop to a lower tier of service.
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After all, with all of the whining I have seen, I don't think I've seen a single soul suggest an out and out boycott, so it seems GSN has lost nothing-nada-zero-not a sausage from doing this.
Actually....with these news combined with their horrible originals (Funny Money and Cram come to mind) and the news of GSN taking off \"Press Your Luck\" off the weekday schedule, I think I may be the first one to actually admit that I would totally boycott GSN totally. Heck, I never have enough time to watch GSN these days anyway. Since I usually get home late, I always look forward to the Black & White Overnight....and I will enjoy it a lot more with Password making a comeback!
But with all of these horrible changes, I may boycott GSN more than I am right now. Nowadays, I watch about 6 hours of GSN total a week....and half of that is the current PYL blocks on right now. The other half is B&W Overnights. Once PYL is gone and B&W overnights are cut in half (probably without PW), I may not even watch GSN anymore.
....one wonders why GSN's viewership has gone down 40% in one year.
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After all, with all of the whining I have seen, I don't think I've seen a single soul suggest an out and out boycott, so it seems GSN has lost nothing-nada-zero-not a sausage from doing this.
Who has time to call for boycotts these days anyway? There's so many *other* channels to watch, I don't have the time! ;-) I think a GSN 'boycott' is a little too extreme just because they don't run ____________ which is 'my all-time favorite show'. And, like a fair amount of us, I find myself just watching the B&W Overnights lately. Four shows is a nice treat; at least we'll still have two come November. I'll just be searching for something on Nick-at-Nite or TV Land to watch while I'm slaving away over a hot radio board. I still tune to GSN if something looks interesting to me (or my 'Lingo' ep is on ;-)), but as a whole I'm more concerned with supporting H2 this season. I feel it's my duty to search KCAL 9 in L.A. and figure out when it's on... sometimes it's almost like a scavenger hunt!
I think it's great that GSN got 'Millionaire'; I'm still burnt out over the Reege version. I hope it gets decent ratings for them.
JOSH
P.S. Anyone excited that Nick-at-Nite will soon add 'Roseanne' and 'Full House' to their line-up? Where the heck are 'Benson' and 'Night Court'?
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....one wonders why GSN's viewership has gone down 40% in one year.
I think what some people are upset about is knowing what GSN has access through via Sony, and seeing them not show much interest in ever running it. I think most of us are just hoping for even one slot per day, or an hour or two on weekends where rarer shows would be run, and are having a hard time understanding why this doesn't happen. That's my take on it anyway.
I certainly understand that GSN has to go with shows most people remember to try to increase ratings, but if they really are down 40%, that should be telling them something. That could be a major reason why they got \"Millionaire\" - which I think is a good move. They must figure that the hoped-for ratings increase would offset the cost of acquiring the show, and draw more attention to the network.
One thing that's been nagging me for a while though - if this is the way GSN is going to be, should those of us who want to see the rarer shows from the vault give up hope of ever seeing them again? In other words, should we now accept the fact that they'll NEVER be run anywhere again?
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[quote name=\'catnap1972\' date=\'Sep 17 2003, 07:36 PM\'] They've got to pay for Millionaire somehow since I doubt they're printing up bills in one of the buildings in the Sony lot.
(the mouse does need his cheese, you know...it ain't cheap!) [/quote]
As such, just to be different can we bash Michael Eisner instead? That's always fun.
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Sep 17 2003, 07:29 PM\'] I think I'll say......
[expletive deleted]
At this rate, we may be seeing TJW and TTD back in.......2030, and even then it'll be the 1990 versions because "YOU WWIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!" and "Next definition, last definition, next word" became edgy sometime.:-P [/quote]
As much as you didn't want this to make its debut in this forum, dare I say they would be...HIP 4 DA KIDZ?????????????
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[quote name=\'parliboy\' date=\'Sep 18 2003, 11:06 PM\'] Sorry, but I can say I just don't plain watch it anymore. Makes a guy want to save some bucks and drop to a lower tier of service. [/quote]
Sure, and that's fine...I have to admit the other day I was thinking about it myself, 'cuz all I do is watch $100K Pyramid, but then I realized I have to have the digital in order for me to order the hockey package, so...
But what I was referring to was specifically people stamping their feet and saying \"THAT DOES IT! NO MORE B/W OVERNIGHT FOR ME!\", which doesn't seem to be the case...those who were watching four hours beforehand seem to be willing to bitch majorly and still watch two, so GSN's getting what they want.
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I think what some people are upset about is knowing what GSN has access through via Sony, and seeing them not show much interest in ever running it. I think most of us are just hoping for even one slot per day, or an hour or two on weekends where rarer shows would be run, and are having a hard time understanding why this doesn't happen. That's my take on it anyway.
That's exactly what I'd like to see too Ian, and you put it very well. If I was running the show, my nod to the hardcore fans would be a couple hours on a weekend afternoon, when viewership would be negligible anyway. I'd run episodes from four different series every week, with no logic or rationale to it. You might get The Joker's Wild, you might get Celebrity Charades, you might get Go. MAYBE I'd promote what each week's lineup would be, but maybe I'd just leave it a mystery until they aired. Call it \"Retro Grab Bag\" -- or something catchier.
The problem? The moment you run an episode of something everybody's clammoring for, like The Joker's Wild, somebody's going to come along and say, \"Why did they show that one? They showed that one on March 13, 2001. I wanted to see something from later in the run.\"
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[quote name=\'jdhernandez\' date=\'Sep 19 2003, 02:22 AM\']....one wonders why GSN's viewership has gone down 40% in one year.[/quote]
The two things that's hurt GSN's ratings, IMHO:
1) \"Funny Money.\" It was better than some people gave it credit for but I think Joe Viewer was thinking that if he wanted to see standup, he'd watch Comedy Central and not have it interrupted by a game show.
2) \"Naturally Stoned.\" It was quite obvious that America didn't want to know about the private life of a game show host (and it was getting quite uncomfortable for GSN in particular at the end, with the news of Chuck's separation). But because they put so much in every sense of the word on \"Naturally Stoned\"...
2) *Less* hours of original production. It was obvious that \"Friend or Foe?\" and \"Russian Roulette\" were catching on and they should've renewed those shows for third cycles along with \"Lingo\" and \"Cram.\" I was doing some math the other day and barring any surprises, GSN will only produce half the hours of original programming this year than they did last year. (I'm counting the first season of \"Cram\" in the 2002 totals because that's when production occurred.) If they weren't going to produce new eps, those shows should've been pulled out of prime time and replaced by something fresher, whether original, acquisition or library. People who were watching \"FOF?\" or \"RR\" last year were seeing reruns and moving on. A *big* mistake.
And that's my belief on GSN's ratings drop--and the lack of B&E shows airing has nothing with it.
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And that's my belief on GSN's ratings drop--and the lack of B&E shows airing has nothing with it.
Again, I don't think anybody implied that.
Now if I may chime in about the one-hour B&WO:
1) It's possible this will be a rotation of shows, ala the old one-hour B&W Sunday Night.
2) And as long as I've brought that up, may I remind you that there was a time when the B&W shows were only on for one hour ONCE-a-week?
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[quote name=\'jdhernandez\' date=\'Sep 19 2003, 03:22 AM\']
After all, with all of the whining I have seen, I don't think I've seen a single soul suggest an out and out boycott, so it seems GSN has lost nothing-nada-zero-not a sausage from doing this.
Actually....with these news combined with their horrible originals (Funny Money and Cram come to mind) and the news of GSN taking off "Press Your Luck" off the weekday schedule, I think I may be the first one to actually admit that I would totally boycott GSN totally. Heck, I never have enough time to watch GSN these days anyway. Since I usually get home late, I always look forward to the Black & White Overnight....and I will enjoy it a lot more with Password making a comeback!
But with all of these horrible changes, I may boycott GSN more than I am right now. Nowadays, I watch about 6 hours of GSN total a week....and half of that is the current PYL blocks on right now. The other half is B&W Overnights. Once PYL is gone and B&W overnights are cut in half (probably without PW), I may not even watch GSN anymore.
....one wonders why GSN's viewership has gone down 40% in one year. [/quote]
I second that. I can't even watch Marshall HS anymore. The rerun abuse is THAT bad.
[and before anyone says, \"be glad it's being taken off,\" there are still 2850 episodes GSN could aquire, and likely dirt cheap to boot]
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It's possible this will be a rotation of shows, ala the old one-hour B&W Sunday Night.
You know, that's what I was now thinking. GSN might spotlight a different show per night with 'back-to-back' episodes, kinda like a 'mini' version of their 'vertivision' blocks. Something like this:
Monday: Beat the Clock
Tuesday: Two For the Money
Wednesday: What's My Line
Thursday: To Tell the Truth
Friday: Password
Saturday: The Name's the Same
Sunday: I've Got A Secret
What would you think about that?
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Michelina Martel of the Big Board!'
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You know, that's what I was now thinking. GSN might spotlight a different show per night with 'back-to-back' episodes, kinda like a 'mini' version of their 'vertivision' blocks. Something like this:
Monday: Beat the Clock
Tuesday: Two For the Money
Wednesday: What's My Line
Thursday: To Tell the Truth
Friday: Password
Saturday: The Name's the Same
Sunday: I've Got A Secret
What would you think about that?
I'm for it.
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Something like this:
Monday: Beat the Clock
Tuesday: Two For the Money
Wednesday: What's My Line
Thursday: To Tell the Truth
Friday: Password
Saturday: The Name's the Same
Sunday: I've Got A Secret
What would you think about that?
Your lips to His ears, Tamster.
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[quote name=\'jdhernandez\' date=\'Sep 19 2003, 12:22 AM\'] But with all of these horrible changes, I may boycott GSN more than I am right now. Nowadays, I watch about 6 hours of GSN total a week....and half of that is the current PYL blocks on right now. The other half is B&W Overnights. Once PYL is gone and B&W overnights are cut in half (probably without PW), I may not even watch GSN anymore.
....one wonders why GSN's viewership has gone down 40% in one year. [/quote]
Wow. Is that really how much it's gone down?
Makes sense to me, that's exactly what's happened to me. I used to watch all the time. Now, as more and more classics have been reduced to crap like Funny Money, Friend or Foe etc, I find I catch the odd Lingo, Whammy, and B&WO.
With Whammy going to something like 6:00am pacific, that means I'll no longer see that, and now a full hour less of B&WO?
Looks like I'll be down 75% or so from last year.