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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: weaklink75 on May 30, 2007, 07:49:32 PM
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I don't mean to get off on a rant here... (http://\"http://www.buzzerblog.com/\") Miller is unusual, but could be good (he's likely an interviewer/commentator; because of the way the show is formatted and time-sensitive, they'll probably have someone else read the questions..)
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What the hell does "rant" mean?
ObGameShow: From the same show. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTQflA4blYY\")
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'153830\' date=\'May 30 2007, 07:51 PM\']
What the hell does "rant" mean?
ObGameShow: From the same show. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTQflA4blYY\")
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Here's the Wikipedia definition.... (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rant\") For Dennis Miller, it's sort of like his monologue (he was famous for them during his HBO series, he even had a couple of books based on them).
Topic? Another advantage I think he has is that he's always known for spouting out unusual references...so he'd be perfect with these quiz show champs I think...
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'153839\' date=\'May 30 2007, 05:20 PM\']
Topic? Another advantage I think he has is that he's always known for spouting out unusual references...so he'd be perfect with these quiz show champs I think...
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It depends. There is the Dennis Miller who has a sharp wit, and then there is the Dennis Miller who tries WAY too hard to work a pop-culture simile into the discussion when it wasn't needed. (The latter was the one who worked Monday Night Football.)
If the right Dennis Miller shows up, it could be good. If the wrong Dennis Miller shows up and tries to compare Kevin Olmstead to convention full of Stephen Hawkings (see, even I got nothin' there)...it could get ugly.
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'153839\' date=\'May 30 2007, 08:20 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'153830\' date=\'May 30 2007, 07:51 PM\']
What the hell does "rant" mean?
ObGameShow: From the same show. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTQflA4blYY\")
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Here's the Wikipedia definition.... (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rant\") For Dennis Miller, it's sort of like his monologue (he was famous for them during his HBO series, he even had a couple of books based on them).
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Glad I included that ObGameShow ref. :-) I was quoting "Family Guy"...here's the clip. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPNB2jUKXlc\")
And I agree with Chris, if he doesn't try too hard to go everyone's head, then this could work. This show needs "Weekend Update" Dennis, not MNF Dennis.
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Good hire. Will he be commentating or reading the questions (there's a differerence if you've seen the UK Version)
Looking forward to seeing this next week.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'153893\' date=\'May 31 2007, 03:10 AM\']
Good hire. Will he be commentating or reading the questions (there's a differerence if you've seen the UK Version)[/quote]
Which is what I was wondering--on the UK version, Carol Vorderman and an "analyst" were the booth hosts, like sportscasters, while another gentleman was the quizmaster (and IIRC, a very good one). Sort of like Lisa Guerrero was "host" last season on "World Series of Pop Culture" and Pat Kiernan was the quizmaster.
As long as I brought it up, are Guerrero and/or Kiernan coming back for this coming season of "World Series?" Would prefer the latter if a choice.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'153939\' date=\'May 31 2007, 04:35 PM\'] Are Guerrero and/or Kiernan coming back for this coming season of "World Series?" Would prefer the latter if a choice.
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Kiernan for sure is coming back. Not sure about Guerrero.
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According to sources close to the show, Pat Kiernan will be the question reader.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'154348\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 07:38 AM\']
According to sources close to the show, Pat Kiernan will be the question reader.
--Mike
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So, I take it this is another "game show" that is covered as if it is a sporting event. Why do they do that?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'154363\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 07:51 AM\']
So, I take it this is another "game show" that is covered as if it is a sporting event. Why do they do that?
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Because, as always, it gets people who are not necessarily interested in game shows, but are interested in sporting events, to watch.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'154364\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 11:36 AM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'154363\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 07:51 AM\']
So, I take it this is another "game show" that is covered as if it is a sporting event. Why do they do that?
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Because, as always, it gets people who are not necessarily interested in game shows, but are interested in sporting events, to watch.
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In my opinion, when you try to please everybody you end up pleasing nobody. We'll see, I guess.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'154363\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 10:51 AM\']
So, I take it this is another "game show" that is covered as if it is a sporting event. Why do they do that?
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Then I don't think you're going to like another tidbit I have -- they are considering a 'selection show' to tell people what the seeds are.
--Mike
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I'll only watch the selection show if ESPN is covering it. Considering everything, it wouldn't surprise me.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'154373\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 12:33 PM\']
Then I don't think you're going to like another tidbit I have -- they are considering a 'selection show' to tell people what the seeds are.
--Mike
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You're right. The genre has gone beyond what I enjoy. Maybe they could dress up in sports apparel?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'154370\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 09:18 AM\']
In my opinion, when you try to please everybody you end up pleasing nobody. We'll see, I guess.
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But this goes back to the whole issue we covered with Game Show Marathon: us game show geeks are going to watch regardless.
So given the choice between two potential audiences: game show geeks, or game show geeks AND sports geeks, which one are you going to choose? Hint: one is a superset of the other.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'154381\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 01:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'154370\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 09:18 AM\']
In my opinion, when you try to please everybody you end up pleasing nobody. We'll see, I guess.
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But this goes back to the whole issue we covered with Game Show Marathon: us game show geeks are going to watch regardless.
So given the choice between two potential audiences: game show geeks, or game show geeks AND sports geeks, which one are you going to choose? Hint: one is a superset of the other.
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The problem is neither group is satisfied with the resulting product. Unless I missed a press release, there will be no Game Show Marathon this year.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'154383\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 10:17 AM\']
The problem is neither group is satisfied with the resulting product. Unless I missed a press release, there will be no Game Show Marathon this year.
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You have a slight point, so I shall go to my other stock argument: they need to try to appeal to SOMEONE other than the die-hard game show nuts, because there aren't enough of us to matter.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'154381\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 01:02 PM\']So given the choice between two potential audiences: game show geeks, or game show geeks AND sports geeks, which one are you going to choose? Hint: one is a superset of the other.[/quote]
Do you, perhaps, mean "a larger set"? A superset would contain the entirety of the other set.
I think all of this is wild supposition, but "game show geeks" and "sports geeks" are hardly the only audiences that would need to be considered. I'm fairly sure that the group "casually interested in sports shows" is larger than its geeky equivalent, and I know the same is true for "casually interested in game shows". How much one is likely to be turned off by things that appeal to the other is, of course, very complicated.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'154403\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 02:46 PM\']
Do you, perhaps, mean "a larger set"? A superset would contain the entirety of the other set.
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Which it does. One set is "game show geeks AND sports geeks", and one set is just "game show geeks." The latter is wholly contained within the former.
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I read that too quickly--my fault. I read it as "geeks for game shows AND sports", that is, individuals who really like both. The wording does not support that reading, though.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'154364\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 11:36 AM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'154363\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 07:51 AM\']
So, I take it this is another "game show" that is covered as if it is a sporting event. Why do they do that?[/quote]Because, as always, it gets people who are not necessarily interested in game shows, but are interested in sporting events, to watch.[/quote]
Another possibility is that it would be similar to how it was presented in the UK.
on the UK version, Carol Vorderman and an "analyst" were the booth hosts, like sportscasters, while another gentleman was the quizmaster (and IIRC, a very good one).
This is a competition, so why not treat it like one? Besides, with all the armchair contestants out there, it almost seems like a no-brainer.
/Metagaming is fun.
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I'd prolly watch more baseball if Wink Martindale were hosting the games on the field, explaining the object of the game and doing brief interviews with each player as he came to bat. Don't think the sport fan would like it, tho.
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Jimmy, you can keep this argument up until you're blue in the face, but if you're still gonna watch the show, it's all smoke.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'154377\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 09:48 AM\']You're right. The genre has gone beyond what I enjoy. Maybe they could dress up in sports apparel?[/quote]I thought this worked perfectly for World Series of Pop Culture. But why bother to look at the real point when you can get a snark in the way, right? The real point is that GSN, no matter what some of this board's members want to think, is that GSN isn't programming for us. "Grand Slam", at least from a production standpoint, is nothing more than an attempt to gain eyeballs for the ads.
If we were to generously total the number of hard core game show geeks in this country at 10,000, and then assume that every single one was going to watch the show live, then that represents 0.01 of what is required to earn a single ratings point. Programming to the people who were already going to watch doesn't work. If it means that Kevin Olmstead comes down the ramp to strains of Night on Bald Mountain, and they have a HPOA interviewing people backstage after the matches, then that's that. If you don't like what the genre has become, then that's your dime, but please don't ruin it for the rest of us.
In my opinion, when you try to please everybody you end up pleasing nobody. We'll see, I guess.
The problem is neither group is satisfied with the resulting product. Unless I missed a press release, there will be no Game Show Marathon this year.
While there is ultimately only one reason why GSM won't be returning, there are several different bullet points to support that. For my money, the things that were done right were done very well. I think your cliche is out of gas.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'154383\' date=\'Jun 6 2007, 12:17 PM\']
The problem is neither group is satisfied with the resulting product. Unless I missed a press release, there will be no Game Show Marathon this year.
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Well, here you would be wrong. I'm both a sports fan and a game show fan, and I had no issues with it at all. Just because game shows aren't taped in a NYC studio and give away $5000 in the bonus round these days don't make them any less of a show.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'154452\' date=\'Jun 7 2007, 01:10 AM\']If it means that Kevin Olmstead comes down the ramp to strains of Night on Bald Mountain, and they have a HPOA interviewing people backstage after the matches, then that's that. If you don't like what the genre has become, then that's your dime, but please don't ruin it for the rest of us.[/quote]
I lol'd at the mental picture, even though having theme songs is probably a) too much and b) too borderline to wrestling for my and probably some others' tastes.
If there isn't an HPOA interviewing people backstage, I would be surprised.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'154532\' date=\'Jun 7 2007, 01:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'154452\' date=\'Jun 7 2007, 01:10 AM\']If it means that Kevin Olmstead comes down the ramp to strains of Night on Bald Mountain, and they have a HPOA interviewing people backstage after the matches, then that's that. If you don't like what the genre has become, then that's your dime, but please don't ruin it for the rest of us.[/quote]
I lol'd at the mental picture, even though having theme songs is probably a) too much and b) too borderline to wrestling for my and probably some others' tastes.
If there isn't an HPOA interviewing people backstage, I would be surprised.
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There will be. It's Amanda Byram of "Paradise Hotel" fame here in the U.S., although she's big in Ireland and the UK--well, as most "presenters" who aren't Bruce Forsyth or Ant and Dec can be "big."
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'154537\' date=\'Jun 7 2007, 03:02 PM\']
There will be. It's Amanda Byram of "Paradise Hotel" fame here in the U.S., although she's big in Ireland and the UK--well, as most "presenters" who aren't Bruce Forsyth or Ant and Dec can be "big."
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She isn't backstage interviewing contestants, she's, now wait for it, color commentating. (Playing the Carol Vordeman role from the original).
I went to a taping yesterday. Oy! It's a good show, or at least, it will be a good show on the air..... in person, be prepared to be bored out of your mind. You will not hear Dennis's commentary, nor will you see a 'full show' taped. All you will see are the two minute competitions between the players. I sat for 4 hours and watched three competitions last night. It was, painful for the audience.
If you're thinking about going, trust me, don't. Wait for the show. You'll thank me later.
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Dennis' radio show is airing a repeat right now, so I guess we won't hear too much about Grand Slam on the show today. He was live yesterday.
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I got an email on Tuesday making sure that I was coming to the taping as well as letting me know that I could bring more people. "We should be able to seat as many people as you bring," something like that. I'm glad I didn't make the trip - that schedule sounds excruciating!
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They also didn't finish the first round shows until sometime around midnight. Quarters, semis and finals will be taped tonight starting at 3 (as I've been told, this may not be accurate, don't hold me to it, offer void in TN, etc.).
Part of the show will be on location shoots of each of the contestants that were already in the can. Why they didn't show them to the in-studio audiences is a little odd.
--Mike
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Clarification on Dennis Miller's radio show today. The 10am hour was a repeat, but it seemed as though it was live from 11 on. He mentioned Grand Slam (which he called "the game show") briefly and mentioned in jest that the Hager Twins would be appearing.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'154665\' date=\'Jun 8 2007, 01:00 PM\']
[A]nd mentioned in jest that the Hager Twins would be appearing.
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(looks up the Hager Twins)
Oh.
/and here I thought I knew my obscure pop culture.
//well, it IS Dennis Miller...
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'154667\' date=\'Jun 8 2007, 10:07 AM\']
(looks up the Hager Twins)
Oh.
/and here I thought I knew my obscure pop culture.
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And if this is an indication of which Dennis Miller is gonna show up, I think we may have a problem...
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'154673\' date=\'Jun 8 2007, 01:00 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'154667\' date=\'Jun 8 2007, 10:07 AM\']
(looks up the Hager Twins)
Oh.
/and here I thought I knew my obscure pop culture.
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And if this is an indication of which Dennis Miller is gonna show up, I think we may have a problem...
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And I *knew* who he meant by the Hager Twins.
Perhaps I should make another Denny quote from an HBO special of his to give us an idea of what to expect:
"Of all the people in the world, I don't want to be lectured about animal rights from Bob F--kin' Barker!
"And while I'm at it, hey Bob, how 'bout some crop rotation on those 'Price is Right' models, huh? Especially that blonde chick with the teeth who's been on the show since the Late Mezazoic Era. Huh, cha-cha?"
Don't remember if he actually said "cha-cha," but he probably did.
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Friday night's taping lasted until midnight. I imagine the finished product will be a lot better than the two minute rounds we saw. But if game shows in general are headed in this direction, I will not be happy.
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[quote name=\'goongas\' post=\'154771\' date=\'Jun 9 2007, 01:38 AM\']
Friday night's taping lasted until midnight. I imagine the finished product will be a lot better than the two minute rounds we saw. But if game shows in general are headed in this direction, I will not be happy.
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Also, if anyone was wondering, Pat Kiernan is the unseen quesiton reader. While Dennis and Amanda were doing their commentary before and after each round (unheard to the studio audience), I noticed watching a monitor that they had two shots, a wide shot of Dennis and Amanda, and a tight shot of just Amanda talking, but no tight shot of just Deniis talking.
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[quote name=\'goongas\' post=\'154860\' date=\'Jun 10 2007, 05:51 PM\']
I noticed watching a monitor that they had two shots, a wide shot of Dennis and Amanda, and a tight shot of just Amanda talking, but no tight shot of just Deniis talking.
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Because Dennis' boobs don't look better close up.
/She ain't there for her color-commentary skills, people.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'154865\' date=\'Jun 10 2007, 08:21 PM\']
Because Dennis' boobs don't look better close up.
/She ain't there for her color-commentary skills, people.
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I fully understand this...
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'154673\' date=\'Jun 8 2007, 02:00 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'154667\' date=\'Jun 8 2007, 10:07 AM\'](looks up the Hager Twins)
Oh.
/and here I thought I knew my obscure pop culture.[/quote]
And if this is an indication of which Dennis Miller is gonna show up, I think we may have a problem...[/quote]
Not me. Speaking completely personally, part of the appeal of watching a quiz show and listening to Dennis Miller is feeling smart when I "get" something that most people wouldn't. Since I didn't need to look up the Hager Twins (being southern and middle-aged didn't hurt), it's all good to me.
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[quote name=\'goongas\' post=\'154860\' date=\'Jun 10 2007, 05:51 PM\']
Also, if anyone was wondering, Pat Kiernan is the unseen quesiton reader.
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I would vote for Pat Kiernan for top question-reader of this era, hands down. (If there is such a thing.) His delivery makes World Series of Pop Culture that much more interesting for me.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'154904\' date=\'Jun 11 2007, 10:49 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'154673\' date=\'Jun 8 2007, 02:00 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'154667\' date=\'Jun 8 2007, 10:07 AM\'](looks up the Hager Twins)
Oh.
/and here I thought I knew my obscure pop culture.[/quote]
And if this is an indication of which Dennis Miller is gonna show up, I think we may have a problem...[/quote]
Not me. Speaking completely personally, part of the appeal of watching a quiz show and listening to Dennis Miller is feeling smart when I "get" something that most people wouldn't.
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I like it too, when it's clever and fits in. My knock is that Dennis sometimes makes an active effort to go too far to be obscure, and often it diminishes the joke when he does.
As the proud owner of....four? of the Rant books, I'm hoping he works out.
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First episode to air will be during the first weekend of August. It will air Saturday and Sunday, two episodes per week.
--Mike
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How have they worked the format, just out of interest?
Our original UK show was 5 or later 6 rounds, with the time saved up from the first five rounds added to the standard clocks in the final general round.
Also, in our version the contestants had to stake £1,000 of their own money. Is it safe to assume that's been dropped for this one?
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[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'155480\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 01:56 PM\']
Also, in our version the contestants had to stake £1,000 of their own money. Is it safe to assume that's been dropped for this one?
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I would guess that's a safe assumption. In fact, I would go so far as to suggest that the contestants here are probably receiving an appearance fee.
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[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'155480\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 04:56 PM\']
How have they worked the format, just out of interest?
Our original UK show was 5 or later 6 rounds, with the time saved up from the first five rounds added to the standard clocks in the final general round.
Also, in our version the contestants had to stake £1,000 of their own money. Is it safe to assume that's been dropped for this one?
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Close.
It's 4 Rounds. The time saved from the first 3 is added to the fourth.
No money is invested, however, winners in early rounds get to take a full-cocked swing at Ken Jennings.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'155490\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 06:29 PM\']
Close.
It's 4 Rounds. The time saved from the first 3 is added to the fourth.
No money is invested, however, winners in early rounds get to take a full-cocked swing at Ken Jennings.
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And the final game has a fifth round which is straight trivia.
Players got their expenses paid, only the overall winner gets a prize.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'155490\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 05:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'155480\' date=\'Jun 18 2007, 04:56 PM\']
How have they worked the format, just out of interest?
Our original UK show was 5 or later 6 rounds, with the time saved up from the first five rounds added to the standard clocks in the final general round.
Also, in our version the contestants had to stake £1,000 of their own money. Is it safe to assume that's been dropped for this one?
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Close.
It's 4 Rounds. The time saved from the first 3 is added to the fourth.
No money is invested, however, winners in early rounds get to take a full-cocked swing at Ken Jennings.
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Now there's a ratings-getter--"Kick Ken Jennings' Ass--Literally!"