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Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: joshg on October 06, 2006, 04:33:09 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061006/tv_nm/shatner_dc_1 (http://\"http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061006/tv_nm/shatner_dc_1\")

Overdramatic question readings anyone?
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Post by: davemackey on October 06, 2006, 07:05:59 AM
No, just another confirmation that we'll never see "Millionaire" in prime time ever again.
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Post by: ChrisLambert! on October 06, 2006, 07:13:36 AM
Can I edit my top twenty hosts list? :)
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Post by: pianogeek on October 06, 2006, 07:22:27 AM
** plays on GSF's stereo system "Lucy and the Skyward Diamonds" **
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Post by: Don Howard on October 06, 2006, 08:12:50 AM
Nothing's been filmed.
Not even a tentative start date is given.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Sorry, been burned far too often. Mastermind and The $1,064,000 Question come to mind among many others.
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Post by: TimK2003 on October 06, 2006, 09:56:02 AM
[quote name=\'matchgame\' post=\'133647\' date=\'Oct 6 2006, 03:33 AM\']
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061006/tv_nm/shatner_dc_1 (http://\"http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061006/tv_nm/shatner_dc_1\")

Overdramatic question readings anyone?
[/quote]

What...BobDylan...Song...Became.....Atop10hit...For.....The.....BYRDS??????


"MISTER TAMBOURINE MANNNNN!!!!" **


** -- For full effect, you must hear his version of that song (the final 3 seconds)  on his "Transformed Man" album.
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Post by: StevensM on October 06, 2006, 05:46:43 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'133658\' date=\'Oct 6 2006, 07:12 AM\']
I'll believe it when I see it.
Sorry, been burned far too often. Mastermind and The $1,064,000 Question come to mind among many others.
[/quote]

That's true.  After all, most recently, ABC announced Poker Face, which got dropped in favor of this show.  And, had ABC not picked up this show, it would've disappeared after FOX dropped it.

In any case, audience tickets (http://\"http://www.ocatv.com/schedule.php?show_id=120&event_id=3075\") are now available.  Taping begins October 14.
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Post by: chris319 on October 06, 2006, 06:17:17 PM
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Contestants answer trivia questions for the chance to win millions while also facing the risk of losing everything they have accumulated.
It sounds like ABC is trying to revive Millionaire without reviving Millionaire. The two concepts sound an awful lot alike.
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Post by: Brig Bother on October 06, 2006, 07:06:52 PM
It's Millionaire with Deal or No Deal elements, basically.

Play a game of luck to get a bank roll for round two, then multiply or divide your winnings by a random number if you get the question right/wrong.

Top prizwe for the British version was over £8m, but it looks like the episode I went to see recorded won't be seeing the light of day. Shame, it's quite good fun.
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Post by: alfonzos on October 06, 2006, 07:48:23 PM
Is it just me or is William Shatner look more and more like W. C. Fields?
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Post by: GSFan on October 07, 2006, 08:40:36 AM
Anyone have any production company or contestant information for the show?
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Post by: tvrandywest on October 07, 2006, 11:21:36 AM
[quote name=\'GSFan\' post=\'133784\' date=\'Oct 7 2006, 05:40 AM\']
Anyone have any production company or contestant information for the show?
[/quote]
Endemol. The initial episodes will be shot at CBS TV-City.

Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Post by: Jay Temple on October 07, 2006, 06:01:17 PM
I hope his chair is securely in place in case he accidentally reads part of the answer ... *cough*blessed*cough*
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Post by: aaron sica on October 07, 2006, 06:22:13 PM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'133804\' date=\'Oct 7 2006, 06:01 PM\']
I hope his chair is securely in place in case he accidentally reads part of the answer ... *cough*blessed*cough*
[/quote]

There's only ONE chair big enough to fit that...........oh, sorry. Had a flashback moment from the Shatner roast.
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Post by: tjhornikel on October 07, 2006, 11:49:59 PM
Just a bit of advice to anyone trying out for "Show Me the Money"...Do not wear a red shirt!
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Post by: Jay Temple on October 08, 2006, 12:27:28 AM
May I borrow that as my sig line?
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Post by: tjhornikel on October 08, 2006, 09:14:00 PM
[quote name=\'tjhornikel\' post=\'133824\' date=\'Oct 7 2006, 11:49 PM\']
Just a bit of advice to anyone trying out for "Show Me the Money"...Do not wear a red shirt!
[/quote]

FWIW...it's yours!
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Post by: goongas on October 08, 2006, 09:18:09 PM
The audience ticket Web site says there will be 14 dancers assisting William Shatner.  I hope this isn't the train wreck I am envisioning.
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Post by: tvwxman on October 08, 2006, 10:00:28 PM
[quote name=\'goongas\' post=\'133900\' date=\'Oct 8 2006, 09:18 PM\']
The audience ticket Web site says there will be 14 dancers assisting William Shatner.  I hope this isn't the train wreck I am envisioning.
[/quote]
All we need is a few killers and some death-row contestants, and i'm envisioning "Running Man".
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Post by: TLEberle on October 08, 2006, 10:25:33 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'133906\' date=\'Oct 8 2006, 07:00 PM\'][quote name=\'goongas\' post=\'133900\' date=\'Oct 8 2006, 09:18 PM\']The audience ticket Web site says there will be 14 dancers assisting William Shatner.  I hope this isn't the train wreck I am envisioning.[/quote]All we need is a few killers and some death-row contestants, and i'm envisioning "Running Man".[/quote]Richard Dawson notwithstanding, another case of me enjoying the book far more than the film. Now that I think about it, today's Shatner probably could have filled the host role very well.

(For those keeping score at home, there was going to be a television show based on the book version; it never came to fruition.)
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Post by: tyshaun1 on October 26, 2006, 02:58:15 PM
According to Marc Berman over at  Mediaweek (http://\"http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003315374\"), Show Me The Shat..... ummm, Money gets its first airing on Wednesday, Nov. 22. It may give some of us something to watch when Lost is on hiatus (Any Lost fans here, BTW?).

Tyshaun
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Post by: mmb5 on October 26, 2006, 03:05:51 PM
[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'135680\' date=\'Oct 26 2006, 02:58 PM\']
According to Marc Berman over at  Mediaweek (http://\"http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003315374\"), Show Me The Shat..... ummm, Money gets its first airing on Wednesday, Nov. 22. It may give some of us something to watch when Lost is hiatus (Any Lost fans here, BTW?).

Tyshaun
[/quote]
But that means it's up against Jericho, which is clearly the best comedy on TV today.


--Mike
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Post by: clemon79 on October 26, 2006, 03:32:38 PM
[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'135680\' date=\'Oct 26 2006, 11:58 AM\']
It may give some of us something to watch when Lost is on hiatus (Any Lost fans here, BTW?).
[/quote]
Hiatus? What?

/you got yourself a fish biscuit!
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Post by: tvwxman on October 26, 2006, 03:52:38 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'135685\' date=\'Oct 26 2006, 03:32 PM\']
[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'135680\' date=\'Oct 26 2006, 11:58 AM\']
It may give some of us something to watch when Lost is on hiatus (Any Lost fans here, BTW?).
[/quote]
Hiatus? What?

[/quote]
Lost is set to take a 6 week breather at the end of the year , so that ABC can premiere Taye Diggs new show "Daybreak" (which, IMHO, isn't bad. Think "Groundhog Day" meets murder mystery)....This way, when Lost returns in Feb, it can run straight thru to May, with no reruns...which was a BIG problem for ABC last year

But with Lost not getting the #'s it used to, ABC may have to rethink it's idea (I doubt they will)....

My advice : take a page from Fox's playbook (did I just say that?), and hold lost till January, running straight thru till May each year, no reruns, no filler "lets catch the viewers up" episodes.... Fox does this with '24' , and it works.
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Post by: Jay Temple on October 26, 2006, 05:29:29 PM
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"Groundhog Day" meets murder mystery
For good or for bad, it sounds like roughly half the episodes of Tru Calling.
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Post by: weaklink75 on October 26, 2006, 05:51:23 PM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'135703\' date=\'Oct 26 2006, 05:29 PM\']
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"Groundhog Day" meets murder mystery
For good or for bad, it sounds like roughly half the episodes of Tru Calling.
[/quote]

it's bad...the only thing about Tru Calling that was half-tolerable was Eliza Dushku (She shoulda done the Faith spinoff they were thinking about-yeah, I'm bitter....)

Anyway, Here's the ABC release.... (http://\"http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061026abc01\") I do admit, the "Million Dollar Dancers" is a catchy name (probably trying to get the DWtS fans to tune in...)
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Post by: Clay Zambo on October 26, 2006, 10:04:01 PM
I've seen some photos of the SMtM set.  (Sadly, I'm not at liberty to share them.)  It may not be 1v100-huge, but, damn!  We've come a long way from the days where you could play a game with four people sitting at a long table with a host standing between them.

I still don't quite "get" the gimmick of the dancers, but then, I said Millionaire would never last.  This could be wildly impressive mixed with a little bit of kitsch; if they get the proportions right, who knows?
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Post by: Fedya on October 26, 2006, 10:21:12 PM
[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'135707\' date=\'Oct 26 2006, 05:51 PM\']
Anyway, Here's the ABC release.... (http://\"http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061026abc01\") I do admit, the "Million Dollar Dancers" is a catchy name (probably trying to get the DWtS fans to tune in...)
[/quote]
Ah, but is that worth more than the Solid Gold Dancers (http://\"http://www.x-entertainment.com/messages/65.html\")?  ;-)
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 27, 2006, 12:05:34 AM
[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'135733\' date=\'Oct 26 2006, 10:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'135707\' date=\'Oct 26 2006, 05:51 PM\']
Anyway, Here's the ABC release.... (http://\"http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061026abc01\") I do admit, the "Million Dollar Dancers" is a catchy name (probably trying to get the DWtS fans to tune in...)
[/quote]
Ah, but is that worth more than the Solid Gold Dancers (http://\"http://www.x-entertainment.com/messages/65.html\")?  ;-)[/quote]
With the price of gold about $600 an ounce, each dancer actually made of solid gold would have to weigh slightly more than 104 pounds to be worth a million dollars.  Of course, the price of gold in 1985 was only around $350 an ounce, so the same solid gold dancer back then would have to have weighed about 180 pounds to be worth a million dollars.

Always happy to help.
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on October 27, 2006, 03:46:12 AM
Somehow, I got this feeling SMtM is gonna turn into the game show version of Solid Gokd if we're not careful here.

Anyways, a minimum of 6 questions with 13 dancers to pick from kinda reminds me of DoND in that regard.  Get it right, pick the right scrolls & you're in the money.  Get it wrong & pick the wrong dancer, bye bye fortunes.  This one definitely sounds intresting but the format is the question mark on this.  If it doesn't pan out, at least Shatner has Boston Legal to fall back on.
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Post by: chris319 on October 27, 2006, 08:09:33 AM
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In Show Me the Money contestants must answer a minimum of six trivia questions. After each answer, the contestant chooses from among thirteen stunning dancers on stage, each of whom holds a scroll with a dollar figure to be added or subtracted -- for correct or incorrect answers -- to the contestants total.
Damn! Why didn't I think of this? (HITS SELF OVER HEAD REPEATEDLY WITH IRON SKILLET)
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Post by: tvwxman on October 27, 2006, 08:13:55 AM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'135752\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 08:09 AM\']
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In Show Me the Money contestants must answer a minimum of six trivia questions. After each answer, the contestant chooses from among thirteen stunning dancers on stage, each of whom holds a scroll with a dollar figure to be added or subtracted -- for correct or incorrect answers -- to the contestants total.
Damn! Why didn't I think of this? (HITS SELF OVER HEAD REPEATEDLY WITH IRON SKILLET)
[/quote]

Craiggers sure has an unimitatable way of describing game shows. You mean if you get correct answers, you get dollars added? Amazing concept! You're a friggin genius!
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Post by: chris319 on October 27, 2006, 08:27:54 AM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'135753\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 05:13 AM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'135752\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 08:09 AM\']
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In Show Me the Money contestants must answer a minimum of six trivia questions. After each answer, the contestant chooses from among thirteen stunning dancers on stage, each of whom holds a scroll with a dollar figure to be added or subtracted -- for correct or incorrect answers -- to the contestants total.
Damn! Why didn't I think of this? (HITS SELF OVER HEAD REPEATEDLY WITH IRON SKILLET)
[/quote]

Craiggers sure has an unimitatable way of describing game shows. You mean if you get correct answers, you get dollars added? Amazing concept! You're a friggin genius!
[/quote]
That was from the ABC press release (not the part about the skillet).

I had a similar idea to be called "Pachyderm Payoff". Instead of dancers there would be Ezmerelda the Elephant. Each time a contestant answers a question, Ezmerelda is called upon to stomp her foot up and down. Each time she stomps her foot, $1,000 is added to or subtracted from the contestant's total, depending on whether the question was answered correctly or incorrectly. A contestant could win up to $1 million before being retired, proving this show has great potential.
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Post by: Clay Zambo on October 27, 2006, 08:53:08 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'135743\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 12:05 AM\']
With the price of gold about $600 an ounce, each dancer actually made of solid gold would have to weigh slightly more than 104 pounds to be worth a million dollars. [/quote]

Well, then, that's not going to happen.  Even considering the weight of silicone, few professional dancers top the scales at 104.
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Post by: Clay Zambo on October 27, 2006, 08:54:58 AM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'135754\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 08:27 AM\']
I had a similar idea to be called "Pachyderm Payoff". Instead of dancers there would be Ezmerelda the Elephant. Each time a contestant answers a question, Ezmerelda is called upon to stomp her foot up and down. Each time she stomps her foot, $1,000 is added to or subtracted from the contestant's total, depending on whether the question was answered correctly or incorrectly. A contestant could win up to $1 million before being retired, proving this show has great potential.
[/quote]

Is the cost of Ezzie's peanuts deducted from the player's winnings, or does the producer supply those?
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Post by: Fedya on October 27, 2006, 11:22:10 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'135743\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 12:05 AM\']
[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'135733\' date=\'Oct 26 2006, 10:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'135707\' date=\'Oct 26 2006, 05:51 PM\']
Anyway, Here's the ABC release.... (http://\"http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061026abc01\") I do admit, the "Million Dollar Dancers" is a catchy name (probably trying to get the DWtS fans to tune in...)
[/quote]
Ah, but is that worth more than the Solid Gold Dancers (http://\"http://www.x-entertainment.com/messages/65.html\")?  ;-)[/quote]
With the price of gold about $600 an ounce, each dancer actually made of solid gold would have to weigh slightly more than 104 pounds to be worth a million dollars.  Of course, the price of gold in 1985 was only around $350 an ounce, so the same solid gold dancer back then would have to have weighed about 180 pounds to be worth a million dollars.

Always happy to help.
[/quote]
Not very helpful, though.  :-p

Isn't gold still sold in troy ounces (~31.18 grams)?  Your analysis is based on the gold fixing being in avoirdupois ounces (~28.35 grams).

Also, $350 in 1985 was worth rather more than $350 today.  So the Solid Gold Dancers of 1985 didn't have to be worth a million bucks in 1985 dollars to be worth as much as the "Show Me the Money" Million Dollar Dancers.
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Post by: clemon79 on October 27, 2006, 11:26:46 AM
[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'135770\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 08:22 AM\']
Not very helpful, though.  :-p

Isn't gold still sold in troy ounces (~31.18 grams)?  Your analysis is based on the gold fixing being in avoirdupois ounces (~28.35 grams).

Also, $350 in 1985 was worth rather more than $350 today.  So the Solid Gold Dancers of 1985 didn't have to be worth a million bucks in 1985 dollars to be worth as much as the "Show Me the Money" Million Dollar Dancers.
[/quote]
Oh. My. God.
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Post by: SRIV94 on October 27, 2006, 11:28:47 AM
[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'135770\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 10:22 AM\']
So the Solid Gold Dancers of 1985 didn't have to be worth a million bucks in 1985 dollars to be worth as much as the "Show Me the Money" Million Dollar Dancers.
[/quote]

Darcel herself was worth it.

<Wayne&Garth>Errr-rrrr<end/Wayne&Garth>

Doug -- and the countdown to 2400 continues
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Post by: BrandonFG on October 27, 2006, 01:25:22 PM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'135750\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 03:46 AM\']
Somehow, I got this feeling SMtM is gonna turn into the game show version of Solid Gokd if we're not careful here.
[/quote]
What the hell are you talking about?

Yes, I know what Solid Gold is/was, I want to know how Craig figures an 80s pop-music show and a game show are anywhere near alike?

/My head hurts.
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Post by: clemon79 on October 27, 2006, 01:57:40 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'135786\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 10:25 AM\']
Yes, I know what Solid Gold is/was, I want to know how Craig figures an 80s pop-music show and a game show are anywhere near alike?
[/quote]
Actually, for once in his godforsaken life, it's the right analogy, since Solid Gold was known for their scantily-clad dance troupe as well.
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Post by: BrandonFG on October 27, 2006, 02:30:16 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'135790\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 01:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'135786\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 10:25 AM\']
Yes, I know what Solid Gold is/was, I want to know how Craig figures an 80s pop-music show and a game show are anywhere near alike?
[/quote]
Actually, for once in his godforsaken life, it's the right analogy, since Solid Gold was known for their scantily-clad dance troupe as well.
[/quote]
I see...looks like I read too far into his comment. Mea culpa.
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Post by: tvrandywest on October 27, 2006, 03:35:32 PM
I'll try for relevance: Solid Gold taped at KTLA's (now Tribune Studios) stage 6 at the same time that Name That Tune taped on stage 5 at KTLA.

Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Post by: uncamark on October 27, 2006, 05:59:01 PM
As for "Pachyderm Payoff":

Is there a penalty if Ezmerelda relieves herself onstage during the show?
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on October 27, 2006, 06:29:06 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'135754\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 08:27 AM\']
 

I had a similar idea to be called "Pachyderm Payoff". Instead of dancers there would be Ezmerelda the Elephant. Each time a contestant answers a question, Ezmerelda is called upon to stomp her foot up and down. Each time she stomps her foot, $1,000 is added to or subtracted from the contestant's total, depending on whether the question was answered correctly or incorrectly. A contestant could win up to $1 million before being retired, proving this show has great potential.
[/quote]


You could add an option where the contestant could keep the cash or trade it for whatever's in the trunk.   :)
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Post by: GS Warehouse on October 28, 2006, 07:28:00 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'135830\' date=\'Oct 27 2006, 06:29 PM\']You could add an option where the contestant could keep the cash or trade it for whatever's in the trunk.   :)[/quote]
[dumps basket of peanuts on Jimmy]

Bringing together the subjects of dance troupes and trunks, didn't one of The Fly Girls on In Living Color look like she has some, as they say in the back alleys, "junk in the trunk"?
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Post by: weaklink75 on November 11, 2006, 09:37:21 AM
They got a clip of the first show up....

http://abc.go.com/primetime/showmethemoney/index.html (http://\"http://abc.go.com/primetime/showmethemoney/index.html\")

The ruleset looks good, a decent combination of knowledge and luck (and the question difficulty seems OK, especially since they're open ended)...I heard a few voice edits in the clip, hopefully it's a "first show jitters" thing....
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Post by: dazztardly on November 11, 2006, 09:56:11 AM
Having watched the video online of the first 10-12 minutes, it did actually peak my interest a bit. And also reviewing the rulesheet online...as long as they maintain a good execution throughout, I think there's potential that the show can put up a good fight against Deal or No Deal.

-Dan
FLASHGames²
http://www.flashgameshows.com (http://\"http://www.flashgameshows.com\")
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Post by: Brig Bother on November 11, 2006, 10:22:56 AM
Unfortunately, the multiple questions thing is completely ruined by the fact that they appear to be able to pass on all of them. On the UK pilot I saw filmed, you could only pass once per round (i.e., if you don't like the question you've got, you're stuck with the next one you pick for better or worse). Your question difficulty is much better though.

Really, they should have set a game limit on passing I think.
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Post by: joshg on November 11, 2006, 10:38:25 AM
Oof. Welcome to Sprockets... Now we dance! That would have been a better title for this show. The game part looks interesting enough... when they get to it. I'm not watching 'Dance Fever' am I? Where's Denny Terrio? Anyway, this show is a TiVo special; hopefully they'll not s-t-r-e-t-c-h two games over the hour and a half on Tuesday.
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Post by: itiparanoid13 on November 11, 2006, 11:05:01 AM
I have to be honest, this is quite possibly the most awful thing I've seen in a reeeeaaaaalllly long time.  There are TWO questions in a matter of 12 minutes.  These questions are pretty easy also.  I never thought there was going to be a show that will give away more money than "Deal or No Deal", but we found it.  They took out the only interesting thing from the international versions: the chance to multiply/divide your money.  The questions are so easy that this, more than DoND, has become a game of pick a square and get money.  At least DoND has the mildly interesting aspect of The Banker.  The only plus (and two very big pluses for all of them) is the dancing squad.  The dancing is just, wow.  I don't know how to describe it.  Visually for a guy, it's entertaining.  And then Shatner/Contestant break into dance, and I just watched with a confused expression on my face.  I'll watch the first full episode, but wow.  I was expecting good things with this, that suddenly died.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on November 11, 2006, 12:01:04 PM
[quote name=\'matchgame\' post=\'137595\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 10:38 AM\']
 The game part looks interesting enough... when they get to it. I'm not watching 'Dance Fever' am I? [/quote]
ABC describes the series as a variety/game show, so yes, they see the dancing as a significant part of it.

I have to say when I heard Shatner was hosting, this is exactly the sort of show I was expecting.  I can understand why game show purists will be aghast, but I think it's very entertaining.
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Post by: Speedy G on November 11, 2006, 12:04:03 PM
Wow.  Shatner's not nearly as bad as I thought he was going to be!

Game's a waste of time, but I never expected Shatner to actually be decent.
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Post by: Timsterino on November 11, 2006, 01:27:55 PM
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'137596\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 11:05 AM\']
I have to be honest, this is quite possibly the most awful thing I've seen in a reeeeaaaaalllly long time.  There are TWO questions in a matter of 12 minutes.  These questions are pretty easy also.  I never thought there was going to be a show that will give away more money than "Deal or No Deal", but we found it.  They took out the only interesting thing from the international versions: the chance to multiply/divide your money.  The questions are so easy that this, more than DoND, has become a game of pick a square and get money.  At least DoND has the mildly interesting aspect of The Banker.  The only plus (and two very big pluses for all of them) is the dancing squad.  The dancing is just, wow.  I don't know how to describe it.  Visually for a guy, it's entertaining.  And then Shatner/Contestant break into dance, and I just watched with a confused expression on my face.  I'll watch the first full episode, but wow.  I was expecting good things with this, that suddenly died.
[/quote]

I agree and concur with your observations. I actually like Shatner but he shouldn't dance. ;-)
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Post by: BrandonFG on November 11, 2006, 03:38:24 PM
One minor nitpick that I prolly shouldn't have even noticed. I'm noticing a trend with Endemol game shows and how their logos appear. No, not the pre-packaged contestants, not the fact that most male contestants always wear the open collar shirt and slacks, but it's with the log.

Usually when the logo zooms away, it always zooms to a "hole" in one of the letters. With this show and 1 vs. 100, it zooms through the silhouette in the logo, and on D/ND, it's one of the letters in the title.

Yes, I know that makes no sense, but it just seems like Endemol packages every one of their game shows the exact same way, from the hyperactive "contestants with a cause", to the sets, to the graphics. That's not a slam, but it just looks like their shows are all looking like the same over-the-top cookie-cutter game shows.

Now as far as "Show Me the Money" is concerned, it looks like a cheesy, light game show that should be taken as such. However, from what I'm seeing, this show takes itself a little too seriously, kinda like D/ND. If they could execute it like the cheese that it is (a la "Treasure Hunt" or "Supermarket Sweep", I wouldn't mind.
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: Clay Zambo on November 11, 2006, 03:54:03 PM
So, if Bill Shatner hosted trivia night at Hooters, this is pretty much what we'd get.
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Post by: tvwxman on November 11, 2006, 04:04:36 PM
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'137619\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 03:54 PM\']
So, if Bill Shatner hosted trivia night at Hooters, this is pretty much what we'd get.
[/quote]
I'd go.

/and you would too.
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: NickS on November 11, 2006, 04:25:34 PM
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'137619\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 02:54 PM\']
So, if Bill Shatner hosted trivia night at Hooters, this is pretty much what we'd get.
[/quote]

Throw in some buffalo shrimp and I'm there.

Honestly, the only factor I have a problem with is the passes.  Put a limit to it during the overall game (i.e. 2 passes for the game -- period) or up the risk by passing and you've got a winner here.  Once again, endemol's casting of hosts works again -- Shatner's pretty good with the quips.

[quote name=\'Alex Davis\']
I have to be honest, this is quite possibly the most awful thing I've seen in a reeeeaaaaalllly long time. There are TWO questions in a matter of 12 minutes. These questions are pretty easy also.[/quote]

Since you like The Rich List so much (and we know what happened to that), you've basically guaranteed SMTM a full-season pick-up.

Is it awful because you just don't like it or is there reasoning behind your statement?
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Post by: itiparanoid13 on November 11, 2006, 04:38:00 PM
I thought I presented myself relatively well in the previous post, but here's my more in depth reasoning.

1- If you're going to have questions, at LEAST make them a little bit of a challenge.  As it is now, the only reason for the question is to keep it from being pick a dancer and get what is on the scroll.

2- For the dancers, I'm guessing this is how the meeting went
A: "We need something similar to "Deal or No Deal".  What should we do?"
B: "I have an idea!  The main draw of the models on DoND is for horny guys to watch,    right?"
A: "Right"
B: "Let's make the models dance seductively around poles!"
A: "Brilliant!"

As a guy, I completely respect and enjoy the dancers.  As a critic, they are the most idiotic thing they could have placed into the game.  It's especially worse when out of no where, Shatner and the contestant dances.  I had the most confused look I've had in a while when they all started to dance.

3- They took out the ONLY draw that made "Show Me the Money" somewhat interesting: the multiplication or division.  That part seemed rather interesting and made up for what is a boring ripoff of "Deal or No Deal".  What we decide to do is, and I suppose the theme fits, dumb down the game even more and just make it gaining money.  It's Jeopardy for people with the IQ of a jellybean now and with no competition.

If anyone has seen or read anything about the British or Dutch game show "Take It or Leave It", we have the ugly redheaded stepchild version of the game.  I enjoyed Rich List because I was happy to have a trivia game back in primetime.  The money chain was extremely flawed, fine.  That's easily fixed.  The isolation booth served no purpose, whatever.  The questions were a little too easy, fine.  Easily fixed again.  We have questions that surpass Rich Lists's easiness, needless dancers, and a game, if we take into account that a monkey could answer the questions, that is basically Press Your Luck without the challenge of competition and the light.  It was a harmless fun game which was different than anything that was on TV at the time.  Yes, it was a rehash of things already done.  However, it was something not on the table.  What we have here is a mix of Dancing With the Stars, Street Smarts, Deal or No Deal, and a softcore porn movie on Cinemax.  I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for now.  It's the first episode and it was a 12 minute clip.  I really hope I'll be surprised on the 14th.  However, it's just not looking that good to me so far.
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: isucgv on November 11, 2006, 05:03:13 PM
So I just finished watching the video clip up on ABC's site.  I actually kind of enjoyed it.  Shatner really was quite good I thought, especially considering the role he was put in, so I'll watch it a bit.  I do like what I saw better than DoND.
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Post by: tvwxman on November 11, 2006, 05:13:41 PM
You have to admit , Who here has asked : You know whats missing from our game show viewing pleasures?

Pole Dancing!

On a more serious note, I don't understand itiparanoid13's criticisms. You want a trivia contest in prime time...here you go. You complain that this mixes D/nDeal with Dancing With the Stars...well, guess what, they're two of the most successful shows on primetime, so there's obviously a demand for it. I think the softcore porn line is a bit out of line. I've seen less dressed folks on MTV daytime, so we're not exactly in unchartered territory here. And you say you like PYL, because it was harmless fun that had been done before....how is that different than your critique of Show Me The Money?

What is you want in a game show, for pete's sake? It's a lite-trivia show, hot dancing chicks, and Shatner. It's not Jeopardy, but so what?

Relax. It's. Just. A. Game. Show.
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Post by: itiparanoid13 on November 11, 2006, 05:30:58 PM
I don't expect much beyond a *tiny* bit of originality.  From what I've seen of different versions, I expected a more complex game than answer a question that a 2 year old could and pick a random place.  Then again, I tollerate DoND, but something about SMTM just rubs me the wrong way.  I understand that it's a trivia game, and I enjoy that, but I was hoping for a bit more than someone at a meeting saying "Let's dumb down Deal or No Deal and throw in a trivia question or six to keep people quiet."  I don't know how I can relax when all I did was point out what I felt, in my opinion, was stuff I didn't like.  No excitement or anything.  If I start flipping out, I will relax.
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Post by: chris319 on November 11, 2006, 06:56:36 PM
Quote
The dancing is just, wow. I don't know how to describe it. Visually for a guy, it's entertaining.
Not for murse-boy it wasn't.

Shatner doesn't do the 75-year-old go-go boy thing very well. Bill, ix-nay on the ancing-day.

To paraphrase Dan Enright (what would he know about game shows?), it lacks all drama, it lacks all suspense, it lacks tension, it lacks strategy, it lacks tact, it lacks challenging and/or interesting material. You're absolutely right: It's Bill Shatner hosting Trivia Night at Hooter's.
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Post by: Gromit on November 11, 2006, 07:32:31 PM
Wow. Put my vote in the "train wreck" category.

Didn't even get to the first question, had to stop watching.

I'll tivo the first episode, but I doubt I'll see it more than that.
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Post by: clemon79 on November 12, 2006, 12:34:40 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'137617\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 12:38 PM\']
If they could execute it like the cheese that it is (a la "Treasure Hunt" or "Supermarket Sweep", I wouldn't mind.
[/quote]
I wouldn't mind seeing this show get executed, too.

Really, here's the deal. You can't try to play a show this cheesy and at the same time play it for life-changing amounts of money. The two just don't go together. And yet, that is exactly what they are trying to do.

The ratings will ultimately tell the tale, but I'm going out on a limb and suggesting that this thing is gonna crash, and hard.
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Post by: Jay Temple on November 12, 2006, 12:42:04 AM
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'137626\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 04:30 PM\']
I was hoping for a bit more than someone at a meeting saying "Let's dumb down Deal or No Deal ..."
[/quote]
How exactly do you do that?
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Post by: NickS on November 12, 2006, 12:44:34 AM
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'137626\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 04:30 PM\']
If I start flipping out, I will relax.
[/quote]

Wha?

Whereever you go, there you are.
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Post by: itiparanoid13 on November 12, 2006, 01:12:02 AM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'137643\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 12:42 AM\']
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'137626\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 04:30 PM\']
I was hoping for a bit more than someone at a meeting saying "Let's dumb down Deal or No Deal ..."
[/quote]
How exactly do you do that?
[/quote]

By taking out the Banker and the aspect of working backward, in a sense, to see what you don't have along with the decision of whether to risk hundreds of thousands of dollars on the opening of one suitcase.  I know part of the appeal of SMTM is that you have to go to the end no matter what, but the easiness of the questions is guaranteeing that each person who has successfully passed kindergarten and occasionally reads news online or watches any sort of TV will win a six figure sum much easier than they can on Deal.  As I said before, the questions are at such a low level of difficulty, plus with the ability to pass on the question twice every time, that it's basically you choose a scroll and you earn whatever is on it.  It's less compelling, exciting, and dare I say less challenging (to win an assload of money) than DoND, and that's saying something.  And the I'll relax comment was directed to when I was told to "Relax.  It's.  Just.  A.  Game.  Show." after I calmly presented a list of why I feel this show sucks but will probably be a ratings hit, which is rather depressing.
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on November 12, 2006, 03:56:49 AM
I shyed away from the clip so as not to get spoiled.  However, seeing the rulesheet I noticed some key flaws.  No multipication/division(what's wrong with our education systen if we can't teach quality corriculum around here), passing twice on each question header(too easy) & most of all, earing 6-figures is gonna be too easy based on the rules.  If it can be fixed, I'd suggest limiting passes to 2 times PER game, incorporating a money deduction risk upon the use of each pass, & good grief, don't hog a lot of face time to those dancers.  I'd rather go to a gentleman's bar rather than watch SMtM if I wanna see scandily-clad dancers like that.
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Post by: Brig Bother on November 12, 2006, 05:41:34 AM
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'137626\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 10:30 PM\']
I don't expect much beyond a *tiny* bit of originality.  From what I've seen of different versions, I expected a more complex game than answer a question that a 2 year old could and pick a random place.  [/quote]

Although in the original Italian show, they didn't bother with the questions, of course.
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Post by: tvwxman on November 12, 2006, 06:41:09 AM
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'137648\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 01:12 AM\']
By taking out the Banker and the aspect of working backward, in a sense, to see what you don't have along with the decision of whether to risk hundreds of thousands of dollars on the opening of one suitcase.  I know part of the appeal of SMTM is that you have to go to the end no matter what, but the easiness of the questions is guaranteeing that each person who has successfully passed kindergarten and occasionally reads news online or watches any sort of TV will win a six figure sum much easier than they can on Deal.  As I said before, the questions are at such a low level of difficulty, plus with the ability to pass on the question twice every time, that it's basically you choose a scroll and you earn whatever is on it.  It's less compelling, exciting, and dare I say less challenging (to win an assload of money) than DoND, and that's saying something.  And the I'll relax comment was directed to when I was told to "Relax.  It's.  Just.  A.  Game.  Show." after I calmly presented a list of why I feel this show sucks but will probably be a ratings hit, which is rather depressing.
[/quote]

As the guy who said "Relax" , I think it's silly that we're criticizing a game show's challenging ability based on the first segment.

Had ABC.com done this with Millionaire, would we be saying the same thing? "These questions are stupid easy, and what's with the joke answers? This doesn't have a chance!"...

Can we just watch the first episode and THEN make comments like "why I feel this show sucks"?

And another thing : It is not possible to dumb down Deal or No Deal. Not possible. Not. Possible.
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Post by: chris319 on November 12, 2006, 10:47:05 AM
Quote
Can we just watch the first episode and THEN make comments like "why I feel this show sucks"?
Why waste your time watching an entire episode when you can glean more than enough from the clip to make a judgement? Ask a question, get an answer; that's all there is to this game. The rest is gimmickry and fluff.
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Post by: Clay Zambo on November 12, 2006, 02:25:18 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'137620\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 04:04 PM\']
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'137619\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 03:54 PM\']
So, if Bill Shatner hosted trivia night at Hooters, this is pretty much what we'd get.
[/quote]
I'd go.

/and you would too.
[/quote]

Well, yeah, if you were buying.  ;)
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Post by: clemon79 on November 12, 2006, 02:29:30 PM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'137656\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 12:56 AM\']
(what's wrong with our education systen if we can't teach quality corriculum around here)
[/quote]
Magical.
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Post by: Clay Zambo on November 12, 2006, 02:31:22 PM
Now, all that said, I don't see what the big deal is over changing the scoring system from multiply/divide to add/subtract.  The fact of the game is, you play until you've answered six questions correctly or six questions incorrectly; if you have a positive total at the end, that's what you take home.

Passing twice per "category" does seem a bit excessive to me--and I bet it means the writers are burning through material at a ferocious pace.  (Okay, don't bet against me on this one; I know a writer, and I know it to be true.)  I wish the A/B/C choices were more than random, that there were something of a hint to the content in each one, but I also wish I had an inch-thick stack of twenties on my desk right now.

I'll watch on Tuesday.  I'll even give this the benefit of the doubt.  I won't be going to Hooters with WeatherMatt, though, 'cause he'll be at home with wife and new baby.  (Won't he?)
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Post by: clemon79 on November 12, 2006, 02:41:06 PM
I'll try it on Tuesday. If nothing else, it might be a better show to Tivo than it would be to watch in realtime, because you can ba-dink through the unnecessary draw-outs. I bet I'll be able to knock out an episode in twenty minutes.
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Post by: BrandonFG on November 12, 2006, 03:17:40 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'137670\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 02:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'137656\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 12:56 AM\']
(what's wrong with our education systen if we can't teach quality corriculum around here)
[/quote]
Magical.
[/quote]
If you ever need a definition of irony, it's in Karlberg's comment.
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Post by: tvwxman on November 12, 2006, 04:26:00 PM
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'137673\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 02:31 PM\']
I'll watch on Tuesday.  I'll even give this the benefit of the doubt.  I won't be going to Hooters with WeatherMatt, though, 'cause he'll be at home with wife and new baby.  (Won't he?)
[/quote]
Maybe. Maybe not. Kid doesn't seem to want to come out.

Question for the parents around here : Do I get in trouble if I tell the doctors to wheel the tv into the delivery room too if she pops out around 9:30 PM Tuesday night?

(Answer for everyone here who already is sour on SMTM : No, I don't really intend to share the birth of my child with Shatner and the Million Dollar Dancers..... though talk about an above average Sweeps stunt!)
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Post by: dzinkin on November 12, 2006, 04:31:25 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'137682\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 04:26 PM\']
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'137673\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 02:31 PM\']
I'll watch on Tuesday.  I'll even give this the benefit of the doubt.  I won't be going to Hooters with WeatherMatt, though, 'cause he'll be at home with wife and new baby.  (Won't he?)
[/quote]
Maybe. Maybe not. Kid doesn't seem to want to come out.
[/quote]
I'm sure little Zachary Horan Scott will be out before too long.

(diving for cover)
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Post by: clemon79 on November 12, 2006, 04:51:42 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'137682\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 01:26 PM\']
Maybe. Maybe not. Kid doesn't seem to want to come out.
[/quote]
And it's a she? Hmmm. :)

/if I knew how difficult it would be to get back in, I wouldn't have come out either. :)
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Post by: NickS on November 12, 2006, 05:49:00 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'137682\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 03:26 PM\']
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'137673\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 02:31 PM\']
I'll watch on Tuesday.  I'll even give this the benefit of the doubt.  I won't be going to Hooters with WeatherMatt, though, 'cause he'll be at home with wife and new baby.  (Won't he?)
[/quote]
Maybe. Maybe not. Kid doesn't seem to want to come out.

Question for the parents around here : Do I get in trouble if I tell the doctors to wheel the tv into the delivery room too if she pops out around 9:30 PM Tuesday night?

(Answer for everyone here who already is sour on SMTM : No, I don't really intend to share the birth of my child with Shatner and the Million Dollar Dancers..... though talk about an above average Sweeps stunt!)
[/quote]

Yes.  That's what a TIVO is there for. ;)

Now if you had said Hooters waitress in the delivery room, that's a different story.
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Post by: MikeK on November 12, 2006, 06:35:46 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'137682\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 04:26 PM\']Maybe. Maybe not. Kid doesn't seem to want to come out.[/quote]
AHA!  So YOU'RE the one of us who's not a virgin!

/ I'm-a gonna go to Hell when I die...
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Post by: chris319 on November 12, 2006, 11:02:37 PM
Quote
if I knew how difficult it would be to get back in, I wouldn't have come out either.
A number of people on this board have difficulty coming out. Email me for names.

Quote
Do I get in trouble if I tell the doctors to wheel the tv into the delivery room too if she pops out around 9:30 PM Tuesday night?
If your daughter is born with a scroll in her hands, I'm calling the Enquirer.

Quote
I'm-a gonna go to Hell when I die...
I'll see you there!
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Post by: cweaver on November 13, 2006, 12:59:56 AM
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'137689\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 07:35 PM\']
AHA!  So YOU'RE the one of us who's not a virgin![/quote]

Make that two of us.  There's living proof I got lucky at least twice in the early '90s.
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Post by: Clay Zambo on November 13, 2006, 07:48:17 AM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'137682\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 04:26 PM\']
Question for the parents around here : Do I get in trouble if I tell the doctors to wheel the tv into the delivery room too if she pops out around 9:30 PM Tuesday night?
[/quote]

Not nearly as much as if you say to your wife, while walking toward the waiting room, "Look, the kid waited this long, she can wait 'til my show is over."
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Post by: TimK2003 on November 13, 2006, 10:20:50 AM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'137682\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 05:26 PM\']
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'137673\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 02:31 PM\']
I'll watch on Tuesday.  I'll even give this the benefit of the doubt.  I won't be going to Hooters with WeatherMatt, though, 'cause he'll be at home with wife and new baby.  (Won't he?)
[/quote]
Maybe. Maybe not. Kid doesn't seem to want to come out.

Question for the parents around here : Do I get in trouble if I tell the doctors to wheel the tv into the delivery room too if she pops out around 9:30 PM Tuesday night?

[/quote]

Heck no, if she is in the delivery room when SNtM is on, just keep making comments on how hot some of those dancers are, and your wife will push that kid out so fast, they'll need a nurse standing by on the opposite side of the room with a catchers mitt!

Then deny any of this had happened when her drugs wear off.
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Post by: clemon79 on November 13, 2006, 11:07:53 AM
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'137722\' date=\'Nov 13 2006, 07:20 AM\']
Heck no, if she is in the delivery room when SNtM is on, just keep making comments on how hot some of those dancers are, and your wife will push that kid out so fast, they'll need a nurse standing by on the opposite side of the room with a catchers mitt!
[/quote]
"Okay, Mrs. Stone, get ready to push again..."

"Goddamn. I'd hit that with the force of an angry god."

"HUUUUUAGHHH!"

"Okay, honey! Breathe! He-he-he-he-he-he!"
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Post by: cweaver on November 13, 2006, 11:51:02 AM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'137682\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 05:26 PM\']
Question for the parents around here : Do I get in trouble if I tell the doctors to wheel the tv into the delivery room too if she pops out around 9:30 PM Tuesday night?
[/quote]

Ouch!  You want to do that with a woman in the worst pain of her life lying nearby screaming for an epidural?  The only thing worse than what she'll eventually do to you is the abject embarrassment when the show in question turns out to be a dud.   I know women who would kill if it were game 7 of the World Series and the local team is in it.

You should have felt the living hell I went through just for accidentally dozing off in a chair at three in the morning when my daughter was getting ready to arrive.  Add a TV show to the mix and I don't think I'd be alive now.
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Post by: Neumms on November 13, 2006, 12:22:55 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'137726\' date=\'Nov 13 2006, 11:51 AM\']
You should have felt the living hell I went through just for accidentally dozing off in a chair at three in the morning when my daughter was getting ready to arrive.  Add a TV show to the mix and I don't think I'd be alive now.
[/quote]

"What is feng shui?" I'll always remember Final Jeopardy from when our daughter was born. (That was early in labor, however, and before the real effort started.)

If "Whew!" was on when the baby came, wouldn't that be appropriate. Some people might even say ironic.
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Post by: TimK2003 on November 13, 2006, 01:58:27 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'137728\' date=\'Nov 13 2006, 01:22 PM\']

If "Whew!" was on when the baby came, wouldn't that be appropriate. Some people might even say ironic.
[/quote]

I'd like you to meet 10 of the most Obese Obstetric Assistiants of the delivery room ever to stand between a man and his newborn.  And here....they....are!

<minutes later...>  

CHARRGE!,....er, I mean PUSH!
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Post by: uncamark on November 13, 2006, 04:16:08 PM
I'm not going to submit myself to the carnage until I come home tomorrow night and fire up the DVR, but I'm curious--in the clip online is the canned Male Voice Yelling "YEAH!" heard and how many times?  I've lost track of how many times Bob LaMasney punches that in on "DOND" and "1 vs. 100."

And someone should tell LaMasney and/or Endemol that the viewers are going to notice that same voice on every episode sooner or later--this isn't NBC daytime 25 years ago, when you could get away with that "YA-HOO!" loop.
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Post by: clemon79 on November 13, 2006, 04:23:08 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'137736\' date=\'Nov 13 2006, 01:16 PM\']
And someone should tell LaMasney and/or Endemol that the viewers are going to notice that same voice on every episode sooner or later--this isn't NBC daytime 25 years ago, when you could get away with that "YA-HOO!" loop.
[/quote]
Let me throw something out there: I've never noticed what you're talking about.

Now, maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I would suggest, being someone that does in fact pay attention to the details of a production, that if I've never noticed this, then the average Joe has absolutely no inkling.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on November 13, 2006, 10:37:23 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'137737\' date=\'Nov 13 2006, 04:23 PM\']
Now, maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I would suggest, being someone that does in fact pay attention to the details of a production, that if I've never noticed this, then the average Joe has absolutely no inkling.
[/quote]
Thing is, once you do hear it, it's all you ever hear.

So yeah, thanks Mark.
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Post by: Neumms on November 14, 2006, 12:43:56 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'137794\' date=\'Nov 13 2006, 10:37 PM\']
Thing is, once you do hear it, it's all you ever hear.

So yeah, thanks Mark.
[/quote]

Kinda like the current "Survivor" contestant who sounds like Alan Alda? Now they might as well just call him Hawkeye.
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Post by: clemon79 on November 14, 2006, 01:57:06 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'137837\' date=\'Nov 14 2006, 09:43 AM\']
Kinda like the current "Survivor" contestant who sounds like Alan Alda? Now they might as well just call him Hawkeye.
[/quote]
I'm still waiting for the episode where Jonathan cries. That way, we'll know he directed it.

/obscure?
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Post by: tpirfan28 on November 14, 2006, 02:15:49 PM
From Yahoo...

Shatner wants YOUR opinion on what makes a good GS host... (http://\"http://answers.yahoo.com/question/;_ylc=X3oDMTFhYjFkc2V1BF9TAzM5NjU0NTEwOQRfcwMzOTY1NDUxMDMEc2VjA2ZwBHNsawN0b2RheQ--?qid=20061113111830AAU0pNX&fr=hp\")
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Post by: chris319 on November 14, 2006, 02:47:48 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'137845\' date=\'Nov 14 2006, 11:15 AM\']
Shatner wants YOUR opinion on what makes a good GS host... (http://\"http://answers.yahoo.com/question/;_ylc=X3oDMTFhYjFkc2V1BF9TAzM5NjU0NTEwOQRfcwMzOTY1NDUxMDMEc2VjA2ZwBHNsawN0b2RheQ--?qid=20061113111830AAU0pNX&fr=hp\")
[/quote]
At the top of my list is the rule, when you're 75 years old, don't be doing the go-go boy thing.

Otherwise, what I like about Shatner is that he's being himself. He isn't affecting the persona of a pasquinian game show emcee.
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Post by: cmjb13 on November 14, 2006, 03:48:26 PM
Invalid URL?
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on November 14, 2006, 04:44:54 PM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'137856\' date=\'Nov 14 2006, 03:48 PM\']
Invalid URL?
[/quote]
Try this one. (http://\"http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AoCEoET.9XAQoQH9CwcILJgjzKIX?qid=20061113111830AAU0pNX\")  There are already 2500 answers, so whether Billy sees yours is anybody's guess.
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Post by: itiparanoid13 on November 14, 2006, 04:57:47 PM
New York Daily News just posted a review of the show (http://\"http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/ent_radio/story/471026p-396435c.html\") and basically said the same thing many of us did.  However, he has the best line about this show that I've heard.  It's in regard to a preview given to the press.

Quote
It's more than enough to judge: When you're handed an ice cream cone loaded with lard, you don't need two scoops to render a verdict.
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Post by: isucgv on November 14, 2006, 09:57:44 PM
It occurs to me, in watching the clip on the website (and I'm hoping this doesn't stray too much into spoiler territory; if so, please tell me and I'll delete/move as necessary), but it occurs to me that the question portion is strikingly similar to Twisters.
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Post by: TLEberle on November 14, 2006, 10:02:54 PM
[quote name=\'isucgv\' post=\'137885\' date=\'Nov 14 2006, 06:57 PM\']
It occurs to me, in watching the clip on the website (and I'm hoping this doesn't stray too much into spoiler territory; if so, please tell me and I'll delete/move as necessary), but it occurs to me that the question portion is strikingly similar to Twisters.[/quote]I made the jump to Your Number's Up and Sports on Tap, personally, but any of the three would work.
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Post by: Jay Temple on November 15, 2006, 12:01:49 AM
By all rights, I should like this show more than DOND, but I actually like it less. Here's why:

1. The reason I should like it more is that it's a quizzer. Unfortunately, the two contestants that I saw didn't know enough.
2. The only way to get a large figure on the board is to get the first few questions right AND pick the high-valued dancers. Unfortunately, once you do that, you're left with smaller figures for the last few questions. That means the difference between being right and being wrong is comparable to a single clue on J!. They should have stuck with multipliers. With multipliers, you could have the glitz of a high six-figure win and still end up paying a pittance (by prime-time standards).

I agree, however, that Shatner is a nice fit for a show with more style than substance.
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Post by: tvrandywest on November 15, 2006, 01:44:46 AM
Watching Shatner is mesmerizing. And the dancing is wonderfully stoopid. How did Paddy Chayefsky miss this format in his satirical "Network"?

Despite the consensus, I LOVE IT!
And I'm locking in with that answer!

Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Post by: narzo on November 15, 2006, 01:50:17 AM
Mark Goodson said the rules to a good game show should be able to be described in one sentence.  I defy you to do just that with this show...

Sorry, I want to punch this show in the face.
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Post by: clemon79 on November 15, 2006, 02:04:01 AM
I honestly never thought I would see a game show that would make me long for Eammon Holmes.

My God, that was friggin' awful. They pretty much managed to screw up EVERY SINGLE FACET of that show.

Shatner was so wooden that he should receive a certificate of recognition from the National Furniture Foundation. The format manages to be anticlimactic in every possible way. The contestants...well, the second guy wasn't too offensive, if an utter idiot.

That was....just bad.
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Post by: J.R. on November 15, 2006, 02:08:23 AM
I thought I was watching an SNL Parody of a game show. Too much silliness to take it seriously.

I didn't hate it though.

-Joe R.
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Post by: clemon79 on November 15, 2006, 09:33:00 AM
[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'137917\' date=\'Nov 14 2006, 11:08 PM\']
I thought I was watching an SNL Parody of a game show. Too much silliness to take it seriously.
I didn't hate it though.
[/quote]
Oh, I didn't hate it either. To actively hate it would have required far more emotion that I think that tripe deserved.
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Post by: geno57 on November 15, 2006, 10:14:44 AM
From today's (11/15/06) Chicago Sun-Times, the Quick Takes column:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Game over

QT Grammar R Us Seminar on the English Language (cont'd):

• • Cindy Dolski, a Green Bay, Wis., reader, writes:

"In a commercial for a new game show hosted by William Shatner, the announcer repeatedly uses the nickname 'Shat.' Isn't that the past tense --"

No. QT will not allow you to boldly go where no reader has gone before.
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Post by: weaklink75 on November 15, 2006, 11:34:49 AM
Well, the ratings are in.... (http://\"http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp\"), they're not the best, and it went down every half hour as well...The 2nd episode will probably tell the tale a little more...
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Post by: Clay Zambo on November 15, 2006, 11:37:19 AM
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'137915\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 01:50 AM\']
Mark Goodson said the rules to a good game show should be able to be described in one sentence.  I defy you to do just that with this show...
[/quote]

And you can do that with The Price Is Right?

I'm not holding up Show Me as a model of simplicity, but its reductio ad absurdum would seem to be, "Answer six questions correctly before you miss six and you'll win money."  If I can have another phrase, I'll tease the network in my pitch by saying, "Oh, yeah--the dollar amounts are held by dancing girls."
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Post by: clemon79 on November 15, 2006, 11:55:01 AM
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'137939\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 08:37 AM\']
I'm not holding up Show Me as a model of simplicity, but its reductio ad absurdum would seem to be, "Answer six questions correctly before you miss six and you'll win money."  
[/quote]
Except that's not true. If your six right answers are the lowest amounts on the board, and your three wrong ones are the biggest, you still go away with zippo. "You'll PROBABLY win money" is more accurate, but then you have to explain "probably".

You could say "Right answers win money and wrong answers lose money on this big-money quiz show", but then the suits say "Yeah? How's that different from Jeopardy?" Then I say "Dancing girls." And then I hope my suit doesn't get too rumpled as they throw my ass out. :)
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Post by: LouKip on November 15, 2006, 02:09:30 PM
After watching SMtM last night, I could describe it in two words: Shatnero Gigante. Perhaps Endemol can kick down some bucks for the guy in the bumblebee suit or the grim reaper who plays the trumpet.

Personally, I liked the game itself, and I wished they had found stronger contestants, but alas, that seems secondary or tertiary compared to the meta-camp theatrics of the show. Shatner was fun, too, but it's hard to tell when the editing seems to excise every possible spontaneous moment.

LK
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Post by: Mike Tennant on November 15, 2006, 03:10:18 PM
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'137939\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 11:37 AM\']
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'137915\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 01:50 AM\']
Mark Goodson said the rules to a good game show should be able to be described in one sentence.  I defy you to do just that with this show...
[/quote]
And you can do that with The Price Is Right?
[/quote]
Yes, you can.

"The contestant who comes nearest to the actual retail price of the item up for bids without going over wins that prize and the opportunity to play another pricing game for one or more additional prizes."

Now each individual game on the show has its own rules, but most of them can be summed up in one sentence also.

Actually, I think Goodson's statement was that the idea for the show should be conveyable in a single sentence, and TPIR definitely fits that bill:  "Contestants play pricing games to win prizes."
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Post by: Ian Wallis on November 15, 2006, 03:56:12 PM
Quote
My God, that was friggin' awful.

What he said.  

How many questions did they actually managed to get in during 90 minutes - 15?  To me it's a cross between 1 vs 100 and Deal or No Deal.  And of course, an Endemol game show has to look like all the others that they do.

Since every new show these days seems to come from them, do you think they're the new Goodson-Todman?

\Tongue in cheek
\\I heard that...
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Post by: chris319 on November 15, 2006, 07:28:53 PM
Quote
Since every new show these days seems to come from them, do you think they're the new Goodson-Todman?
There is a puddle of wet, gooey stuff on the floor that wasn't there a second ago. My tummy hurts.
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Post by: clemon79 on November 15, 2006, 08:09:48 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'137986\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 04:28 PM\']
There is a puddle of wet, gooey stuff on the floor that wasn't there a second ago.
[/quote]
In other news, the West L.A. Bed, Bath, and Beyond was found to be missing two towels... ;)
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Post by: TLEberle on November 15, 2006, 08:20:04 PM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'137970\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 12:56 PM\']Since every new show these days seems to come from them, do you think they're the new Goodson-Todman?[/quote] Granted what follows, this still ranks as the worst insult ever leveled at anyone in the history of the GSF. </wink>

Quote
\Tongue in cheek
\\I heard that...
Even so, what I fear is that other companies that have otherwise sound ideas are going to mold their show into an Endemol-ish format (otherwise En-Demolishing it) because they wrongly think that just because the shows get 13 million sheep to watch on a Friday night, it must be The Right Way To Do Things.

And that's what's really sad here.
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Post by: clemon79 on November 15, 2006, 09:10:39 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'137990\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 05:20 PM\']
Even so, what I fear is that other companies that have otherwise sound ideas are going to mold their show into an Endemol-ish format (otherwise En-Demolishing it) because they wrongly think that just because the shows get 13 million sheep to watch on a Friday night, it must be The Right Way To Do Things.
[/quote]
Not for nothin', but if they can get 13 million sheep to watch on a Friday night, it's not wrongthink.

The issue here isn't that these people are making crappy shows; their job is to make stuff people watch, and they seem to be doing that quite well. The issue is that the sheep are stupid enough to watch it.
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Post by: Clay Zambo on November 15, 2006, 11:58:15 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'137941\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 11:55 AM\']
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'137939\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 08:37 AM\']
I'm not holding up Show Me as a model of simplicity, but its reductio ad absurdum would seem to be, "Answer six questions correctly before you miss six and you'll win money."  
[/quote]
Except that's not true. If your six right answers are the lowest amounts on the board, and your three wrong ones are the biggest, you still go away with zippo. "You'll PROBABLY win money" is more accurate, but then you have to explain "probably".
[/quote]

That's a good point.  And, you know, it's one of the things I like about it.  It's a potential-big-money game show, but there's not a guarantee.

By the way, Letterman just ran a clip listing SMtM's rules as bullet-points over clips of the show.  It did make things look ridiculous, but so, again, would the rule sheet for TPiR.
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Post by: Clay Zambo on November 16, 2006, 12:01:39 AM
[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'137964\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 03:10 PM\']
"The contestant who comes nearest to the actual retail price of the item up for bids without going over wins that prize and the opportunity to play another pricing game for one or more additional prizes."

Now each individual game on the show has its own rules, but most of them can be summed up in one sentence also.

Actually, I think Goodson's statement was that the idea for the show should be conveyable in a single sentence, and TPIR definitely fits that bill:  "Contestants play pricing games to win prizes."
[/quote]

Nicely done.

And here, the statement is, "Contestants answer questions to win money."  (Which is, of course, the same sentence you'd use to describe "Greed," which Woolery once famously described as being overcomplicated.)
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Post by: Steve McClellan on November 16, 2006, 02:06:52 AM
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 12:01 AM\'](Which is, of course, the same sentence you'd use to describe "Greed," which Woolery once famously described as being overcomplicated.) [/quote]
In all fairness to Greed, Woolery would probably describe tying his shoes as being overcomplicated. ;)
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Post by: chris319 on November 16, 2006, 02:24:51 AM
Quote
"Contestants answer questions to win money." (Which is, of course, the same sentence you'd use to describe "Greed,"
as well as

The Joker's Wild
Tic Tac Dough
Twenty One
Blockbusters
Trivia Trap
Jeopardy!
Debt
One Hundred Percent
You Bet Your Life
Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?
1 vs. 100
Win Ben Stein's Money
The $64,000 Question
The $64,000 Challenge
Family Feud

and others too numerous to mention.
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Post by: Gromit on November 16, 2006, 03:30:52 AM
Second show? I guess I missed it.

How will I ever live with myself?
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Post by: Unrealtor on November 16, 2006, 05:57:46 AM
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'137915\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 12:50 AM\']
Mark Goodson said the rules to a good game show should be able to be described in one sentence.  I defy you to do just that with this show...
[/quote]

Not that it hasn't been tried in this thread already...

"Contestants risk big bucks on trivia questions, but don't know the stakes until after they answer."

Endemol's taken it almost unbearably over the top (especially with someone as self-parodying as Shatner as host,) but I actually like the underlying game. Take off three zeros from the prize amounts, replace the dancing girls with envelopes or trilons, get a decent host, and I can see it having a decent, but not lengthy, run back in the '70s. (Hey, if Blank Check made it onto the air, then this certainly could.)
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Post by: Ian Wallis on November 16, 2006, 09:00:07 AM
Quote
The issue here isn't that these people are making crappy shows; their job is to make stuff people watch, and they seem to be doing that quite well. The issue is that the sheep are stupid enough to watch it.

That's why I think game shows have entered a new realm and this is it.  When we had that primetime flurry in 1999-2000, at least you could call them "traditional" game shows.  These ones have gone in a whole new direction...and I'm not sure that we're going back.
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Post by: TimK2003 on November 16, 2006, 09:43:24 AM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'138028\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 10:00 AM\']
That's why I think game shows have entered a new realm and this is it.  When we had that primetime flurry in 1999-2000, at least you could call them "traditional" game shows.  These ones have gone in a whole new direction...and I'm not sure that we're going back.
[/quote]

Sure, most of the shows out there are giving money away like it was free balloons for the kids, but as long as the shows with the Goodson-Todman ties (Feud, Price, IGAS -- If it finds another network) remain on the air, you'll still have shows where the gameplay is more important than cash payouts.

The only thing the G-T franchises have done is adjust for inlation.  But then again, the mo' money syndrome is about the only thing Fremantle has yet to tinker with, nae, DESTROY,

And I doubt the makers of TJW'07 are going to give away $100,000 for every natural triple, either.
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Post by: Tony on November 16, 2006, 12:04:04 PM
Now that we've established that Endemol is most decidedly not the next Goodson-Todman (I'll be the first to apologize for ever making that comparison (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10518&st=7&p=117591&#entry117591\")), can anyone think which, if any, of the current game show houses is still a high-quality one?

My nomination is, pending the Joker/Lock hour, the combination of Sony Pictures Television and King World/CBS (Paramount?) Television Distribution.  The reason why I put the two together instead of separately is because I think SPT is incapable of producing a good game show on its own (reference "Pyramid, Osmond"); whether KW/CTD is or not is still up for grabs (Bergeron's Squares - the only game show KW/CTD produced, SPT's minor contribution notwithstanding - was largely hit-or-miss, depending on the season).
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Post by: clemon79 on November 16, 2006, 02:00:48 PM
[quote name=\'Unrealtor\' post=\'138027\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 02:57 AM\']
Take off three zeros from the prize amounts, replace the dancing girls with envelopes or trilons, get a decent host, and I can see it having a decent, but not lengthy, run back in the '70s.
[/quote]
You also have a lawsuit on your hands, because what you describe, whether you meant to or not, isn't all THAT far afield from Jackpot!. :)
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Post by: Neumms on November 16, 2006, 02:48:25 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'137844\' date=\'Nov 14 2006, 01:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'137837\' date=\'Nov 14 2006, 09:43 AM\']
Kinda like the current "Survivor" contestant who sounds like Alan Alda? Now they might as well just call him Hawkeye.
[/quote]
I'm still waiting for the episode where Jonathan cries. That way, we'll know he directed it.

/obscure?
[/quote]

Damn! They had the letters-from-home reward and his tribe didn't win! That'd be an Emmy for sure!
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Post by: Clay Zambo on November 16, 2006, 02:49:39 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138045\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 02:00 PM\']
[quote name=\'Unrealtor\' post=\'138027\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 02:57 AM\']
Take off three zeros from the prize amounts, replace the dancing girls with envelopes or trilons, get a decent host, and I can see it having a decent, but not lengthy, run back in the '70s.
[/quote]
You also have a lawsuit on your hands, because what you describe, whether you meant to or not, isn't all THAT far afield from Jackpot!. :)
[/quote]

That must explain why SMtM dropped the multiplier--so the "look and feel" police would be thrown off the chase.  ;)
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Post by: chris319 on November 16, 2006, 02:59:41 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'137989\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 05:09 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'137986\' date=\'Nov 15 2006, 04:28 PM\']
There is a puddle of wet, gooey stuff on the floor that wasn't there a second ago.
[/quote]
In other news, the West L.A. Bed, Bath, and Beyond was found to be missing two towels... ;)
[/quote]
Don't forget the "my tummy hurts" part, which should give you a clue as to the nature of that puddle, NOT what your dirty mind came up with :-P
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Post by: Neumms on November 16, 2006, 03:03:43 PM
[quote name=\'Unrealtor\' post=\'138027\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 05:57 AM\']
"Contestants risk big bucks on trivia questions, but don't know the stakes until after they answer."

Endemol's taken it almost unbearably over the top (especially with someone as self-parodying as Shatner as host,) but I actually like the underlying game.
[/quote]

Trouble is, they aren't risking anything. They never have the option to quit. I actually like that it's over the top, but that's the only thing interesting about it, and that's not interesting for very long. How can any show get on the air that's as slow as this?

And geez, the guy who thought Amsterdam is in Denmark? Come on.

Yet, if the show went further over the top and became a cross between WWTBAM and The New Treasure Hunt, that could be funny.
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Post by: chris319 on November 16, 2006, 03:06:06 PM
Quote
Take off three zeros from the prize amounts, replace the dancing girls with envelopes or trilons, get a decent host, and I can see it having a decent, but not lengthy, run back in the '70s.
This would never have sold in the '70s. There is no strategy, no drama, no suspense. In short the game has no substance, in addition to which the material moves at a snail's pace, thus diminishing the opportunity for home-audience play-along.
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Post by: Peter Sarrett on November 16, 2006, 04:30:49 PM
That was the genius of Inquizition-- the game was ALL no-frills play-along.  It would be close to impossible for anyone to cram more gameplay into a half hour than Inquizition did.
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Post by: Joe Mello on November 16, 2006, 07:06:26 PM
[quote name=\'Peter Sarrett\' post=\'138060\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 04:30 PM\']
That was the genius of Inquizition-- the game was ALL no-frills play-along.  It would be close to impossible for anyone to cram more gameplay into a half hour than Inquizition did.
[/quote]

close to impossible, you say? (http://\"http://www.mikeburger.com/pilots/100_percent/100_percent.html\")

Since we're discussing what other show are like this show, I'm sure there are other shows that had a random element determine the value of a question.  Especially in the 70's.

I also thought that all 70's game shows had more than one contestant, unless it was a panel show.
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Post by: clemon79 on November 16, 2006, 09:25:16 PM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'138077\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 04:06 PM\']
close to impossible, you say? (http://\"http://www.mikeburger.com/pilots/100_percent/100_percent.html\")
[/quote]
Almost exactly the same game.
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Post by: chris319 on November 16, 2006, 10:05:38 PM
"Contestants must give six correct answers to general-knowledge questions for varying amounts of money, without giving a total of six incorrect answers."
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Post by: clemon79 on November 16, 2006, 10:17:05 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'138086\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 07:05 PM\']
"Contestants must give six correct answers to general-knowledge questions for varying amounts of money, without giving a total of six incorrect answers."
[/quote]
Also not completely accurate. If you answer five right and hit the big numbers on all of them, and miss six and hit the small numbers, you still leave with a lot of money.

Close enough, though.
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Post by: chris319 on November 17, 2006, 01:23:32 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138088\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 07:17 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'138086\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 07:05 PM\']
"Contestants must give six correct answers to general-knowledge questions for varying amounts of money, without giving a total of six incorrect answers."
[/quote]
Also not completely accurate. If you answer five right and hit the big numbers on all of them, and miss six and hit the small numbers, you still leave with a lot of money.
[/quote]
But the game is over if you answer six incorrectly. If you miss six consecutive questions without answering one correctly, you walk away with zip, correct?

The way you describe it, it's worse than I thought. You can lose the game and still walk away a rich person because there is no economic consequence for losing the game.
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Post by: BrandonFG on November 17, 2006, 01:38:30 AM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'138093\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 02:23 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138088\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 07:17 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'138086\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 07:05 PM\']
"Contestants must give six correct answers to general-knowledge questions for varying amounts of money, without giving a total of six incorrect answers."
[/quote]
Also not completely accurate. If you answer five right and hit the big numbers on all of them, and miss six and hit the small numbers, you still leave with a lot of money.
[/quote]
But the game is over if you answer six incorrectly. If you miss six consecutive questions without answering one correctly, you walk away with zip, correct?

The way you describe it, it's worse than I thought. You can lose the game and still walk away a rich person because there is no economic consequence for losing the game.
[/quote]
Now that I re-read Lemon's description, I just realized how horribly flawed that is. I mean, even with Millionaire, if you get to the million dollar question, you could lose $475,000, which is a big jump. Even on D/ND, you could go from $500,000 to $5 with one wrong pick. Hell, even 1 vs. 100 has an all-or-nothing risk to it.

That's pretty broken with this show.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on November 17, 2006, 01:58:30 AM
Ahh, but don't forget the Killer Card.
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Post by: clemon79 on November 17, 2006, 02:02:00 AM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'138095\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 10:58 PM\']
Ahh, but don't forget the Killer Card.
[/quote]
What about it? There are 13 "cards" in play. You can absolutely play 11 of them (the maximum number of questions in a game) without ever seeing it.

Look, IIRC we had increments of $20K up to $220K, and then $250K, and the Killer.

So if you hit the top 5 amounts, that's...$1,010,000.

Then you miss 6...but it's the bottom 6! For a penalty of $420,000.

Which means, for missing more than you got right, you receive a payday of $590,000.

Obviously, this is an extreme example, but you see my point. The only time you "lose it all" is if you hit the Killer, miss that question, and THEN can't answer Shatner's Killer Question Of Extreme Anal Chafing. Every other time it's (money from correct answers) - (money from incorrect answers).
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Post by: chris319 on November 17, 2006, 04:16:55 AM
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Every other time it's (money from correct answers) - (money from incorrect answers).
Again, this results in a show with not one shred of drama, suspense, tension, irony, or any other entertainment value outside of dancing girls and a septugenarian go-go boy.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on November 17, 2006, 07:53:48 AM
On the hand you flip clemon's example and answer 6 right and still lose

Both are unlikely but if they played enough games it would happen.

Notice I said if.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on November 17, 2006, 08:04:24 AM
I really don't get the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this trifle.  Isn't something like The Joker's Wild just as "broken" because you could answer every question right and still lose?  Pick a letter correctly every single time on Wheel of Fortune, but still lose the game with a couple of ill-timed Bankrupts?  Wait your whole life to play Jeopardy! only to go up against the Greatest Player Ever?  (Bitter, table for one.)

Big Shaterday* is definitely a game where Lady Luck is queen, but knowledge is still king.  Yes, you might miss more than you get right and still win a shatload of money.  You could also answer more than you miss and still go home with nothing.  Still, just like Millionaire (or, for that matter, 1 vs 100) answer the questions correctly, and you're rewarded with a win.  Even the Killer Card doesn't take that away from you.  With so many game dependent on luck, that's a nice change of pace.  And the girls are hot.

*The English translation of Shatado Gigante
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Post by: Brig Bother on November 17, 2006, 10:39:36 AM
[quote name=\'Tony\' post=\'138037\' date=\'Nov 16 2006, 05:04 PM\']
Now that we've established that Endemol is most decidedly not the next Goodson-Todman (I'll be the first to apologize for ever making that comparison (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10518&st=7&p=117591&#entry117591\")), can anyone think which, if any, of the current game show houses is still a high-quality one?[/quote]

I don't think that's quite fair. Endemol can make perfectly good shows.

Just not in the US, for whatever reason.
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Post by: Clay Zambo on November 17, 2006, 10:46:27 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'138100\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 08:04 AM\']
I really don't get the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this trifle.  Isn't something like The Joker's Wild just as "broken" because you could answer every question right and still lose?  Pick a letter correctly every single time on Wheel of Fortune, but still lose the game with a couple of ill-timed Bankrupts?  Wait your whole life to play Jeopardy! only to go up against the Greatest Player Ever?  (Bitter, table for one.)
[/quote]

Yes, but in all of the your examples you're playing against somebody else, which seems to me to create more drama for the viewer.  (Especially in the Jeopardy! example.  Damn, I felt for that guy.)
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: clemon79 on November 17, 2006, 11:12:06 AM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'138099\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 04:53 AM\']
On the hand you flip clemon's example and answer 6 right and still lose
[/quote]
Proving our point all the more, I think.
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'138100\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 05:04 AM\']
I really don't get the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this trifle.
[/quote]
Let it be known that there is no wailing or gnashing of teeth here. 'Cuz really, I have enough other problems with the show that the format is the least of it.

Your point is a good one...as long as you don't miss a single question, you can't lose. I think the difference between this and TJW is that on TJW you were playing for $1500, a refrigerator, and a trip to Guadalajara, and here we're throwing around Life-Changing Amounts Of Money(tm).

Raw stank-assed luck for a bedroom set, I don't mind. Raw stank-assed luck for $500K or more, I mind. But ultimately, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: Clay Zambo on November 17, 2006, 11:26:29 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138108\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 11:12 AM\']
Raw stank-assed luck for a bedroom set, I don't mind. Raw stank-assed luck for $500K or more, I mind.[/quote]

All right, then, let me help.  Next time you're offered $500K or more for being stank-assed lucky, give me half.  ;)

(I'll even give a big chunk of it to the charity of your choice.)
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on November 17, 2006, 11:28:26 AM
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'138110\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 11:26 AM\']
(I'll even give a big chunk of it to the charity of your choice.)[/quote]
The Gazpacho Aid Society, no doubt.
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Post by: Neumms on November 17, 2006, 11:28:42 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138108\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 11:12 AM\']
Raw stank-assed luck for a bedroom set, I don't mind. Raw stank-assed luck for $500K or more, I mind. But ultimately, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.
[/quote]

The other issue is that to win the bedroom set, every question they asked counted. You didn't get to nix two hoping they'd get easier. The guy thought Amsterdam was in Denmark, for cripes' sake! Damn it, I am gonna lose sleep over it! This is terrible! This is worse than the Hindenburg! How will our great nation ever survive both this and the Muslim congressman? Heaven help us!
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Post by: clemon79 on November 17, 2006, 11:44:20 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'138111\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 08:28 AM\']
The Gazpacho Aid Society, no doubt.
[/quote]
Or GAS, for short.

/I see what you did there
//<braaaap>
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Post by: mmb5 on November 17, 2006, 11:58:57 AM
Weighing in very late -- any chance we could get ABC to change the title to Miércoles Gigante?  And they chose this over Poker Face?  I've shown friends Poker Face, they are riveted.  If I show them this, I think I will have to find new friends.


--Mike
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: clemon79 on November 17, 2006, 12:12:25 PM
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'138118\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 08:58 AM\']
I've shown friends Poker Face, they are riveted.  If I show them this, I think I will have to find new friends.
[/quote]
QFT. PokerFace is just a great game, and I was thrilled to learn it got picked up for a second series in the UK. Whoever greenlit this and passed on that should be fired. Bottom line.
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: tvwxman on November 17, 2006, 12:27:57 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138119\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 12:12 PM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'138118\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 08:58 AM\']
I've shown friends Poker Face, they are riveted.  If I show them this, I think I will have to find new friends.
[/quote]
QFT. PokerFace is just a great game, and I was thrilled to learn it got picked up for a second series in the UK. Whoever greenlit this and passed on that should be fired. Bottom line.
[/quote]
I dunno what QFT stands for, but I agree as well. This game needs an American outlet.
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: clemon79 on November 17, 2006, 12:35:33 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'138120\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 09:27 AM\']
I dunno what QFT stands for, but I agree as well. This game needs an American outlet.
[/quote]
Quoted For Truth. Basically a shortened way of saying "preach on, brother!"
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Post by: BrandonFG on November 17, 2006, 12:54:13 PM
Just read the rulesheet on Wikipedia, and another from ukgameshows.com. Quite an intriguing idea, and I like the idea that a losing contestant could theoretically, walk away with some money, should they bail out.

Anyone know who would've produced the American version? I could see Michael Davies behind this one.
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: mmb5 on November 17, 2006, 01:10:31 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'138122\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 12:54 PM\']
Just read the rulesheet on Wikipedia, and another from ukgameshows.com. Quite an intriguing idea, and I like the idea that a losing contestant could theoretically, walk away with some money, should they bail out.

Anyone know who would've produced the American version? I could see Michael Davies behind this one.
[/quote]
Fremantle.  Ant and Dec (the Poker Face hosts and American Idol hosts) have a relationship with them.


--Mike
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Post by: clemon79 on November 17, 2006, 01:11:52 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'138122\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 09:54 AM\']
Just read the rulesheet on Wikipedia, and another from ukgameshows.com. Quite an intriguing idea, and I like the idea that a losing contestant could theoretically, walk away with some money, should they bail out.
[/quote]
Check YouTube. Might have been taken down because they're cracking down on copyright issues, but I know for a time the UK finale episode was there, because that's where I saw it. If you're intrigued now, I promise you will be compelled when you see it in action.
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: mmb5 on November 17, 2006, 01:27:32 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138125\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 01:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'138122\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 09:54 AM\']
Just read the rulesheet on Wikipedia, and another from ukgameshows.com. Quite an intriguing idea, and I like the idea that a losing contestant could theoretically, walk away with some money, should they bail out.
[/quote]
Check YouTube. Might have been taken down because they're cracking down on copyright issues, but I know for a time the UK finale episode was there, because that's where I saw it. If you're intrigued now, I promise you will be compelled when you see it in action.
[/quote]
If possible, try to find a non-final episode.  The final episode was a tad anticlimactic because they had all won something before, and we're pretty good players.  It's neater to see the my s***-doesn't-stink players get burned.

I also have all but one episode if you want to, ahem, "make arrangements".
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: Brig Bother on November 17, 2006, 04:35:46 PM
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'138126\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 06:27 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138125\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 01:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'138122\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 09:54 AM\']
Just read the rulesheet on Wikipedia, and another from ukgameshows.com. Quite an intriguing idea, and I like the idea that a losing contestant could theoretically, walk away with some money, should they bail out.
[/quote]
Check YouTube. Might have been taken down because they're cracking down on copyright issues, but I know for a time the UK finale episode was there, because that's where I saw it. If you're intrigued now, I promise you will be compelled when you see it in action.
[/quote]
If possible, try to find a non-final episode.  The final episode was a tad anticlimactic because they had all won something before, and we're pretty good players.  It's neater to see the my s***-doesn't-stink players get burned.

I also have all but one episode if you want to, ahem, "make arrangements".
[/quote]

I don't think that's quite fair, the players in the final weren't guaranteed any of their winnings from the heat unless they bailed out, so they actually stood to lose £50k+ if they strategised wrongly.

The best version of SMTM is the Italian version Tutto x Tutto which is a proper fun rollercoaster of a show, and I'll be writing a feature on it at the weekend with loads of screen caps for my site. It does away with the questions completely.
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: clemon79 on November 17, 2006, 04:39:32 PM
[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'138136\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 01:35 PM\']
It does away with the questions completely.
[/quote]
And this makes it _good_?
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: Brig Bother on November 17, 2006, 05:01:33 PM
Trust me on this!
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: clemon79 on November 17, 2006, 05:27:10 PM
[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'138140\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 02:01 PM\']
Trust me on this!
[/quote]
Well, the reason I say that is that the knowledge part of the US show seems to be the only part that anyone _likes_ about our version, so I'm not sure why taking it out wholesale would make it anything other than Deal Or No Deal with more math.
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: chris319 on November 17, 2006, 06:06:50 PM
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'138107\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 07:46 AM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'138100\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 08:04 AM\']
I really don't get the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this trifle.  Isn't something like The Joker's Wild just as "broken" because you could answer every question right and still lose?  Pick a letter correctly every single time on Wheel of Fortune, but still lose the game with a couple of ill-timed Bankrupts?  Wait your whole life to play Jeopardy! only to go up against the Greatest Player Ever?  (Bitter, table for one.)
[/quote]

Yes, but in all of the your examples you're playing against somebody else, which seems to me to create more drama for the viewer.  (Especially in the Jeopardy! example.  Damn, I felt for that guy.)
[/quote]
The point Clay makes is right out of Game Show Production 101. SMTM doesn't even have the dramatic element of two or more contestants competing against one another.

Quote
And the girls are hot.
If they replaced them with Chippendale's dancers I'll bet a lot of people on this board would like this show a lot less.
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: Brig Bother on November 17, 2006, 06:29:18 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138142\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 10:27 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'138140\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 02:01 PM\']
Trust me on this!
[/quote]
Well, the reason I say that is that the knowledge part of the US show seems to be the only part that anyone _likes_ about our version, so I'm not sure why taking it out wholesale would make it anything other than Deal Or No Deal with more math.
[/quote]

That's pretty much it. In fact, it involves even less skill than DoND, but it just so fascinatingly  watchable. I think it's the flashing numbers.

In a nutshell, in round one, the contestant gets 5 pluses and 4 minuses. They pick one of the models (mainly male) holding a scroll, and before opening it, have to decide whether they're going use a plus and add the cash amount to their bank or a minus and take it away (cash amounts are 2x €0 and then 10 amounts from €500 to €5,000). The round is over when you've used up all their operators. You should, unless you've been really unlucky, have a score of between €500 and €22,000.

You now get the chance to multiply that by up to 200. You are given four multiplies and four divisions, and this time the models are holding numbers from 1-5 (if you want to do your own maths: 1x1, 3x2, 3x3, 3x4, 2x5). Once again, you have to play all your operators, so you want the muliplies with the big numbers and the divisions with the small numbers. This will leave you with a score of between €10 (if you're unlucky) to over a million euros, if you've been very fortunate indeed.

Finally, you must select one of the remaining scrolls to determine the final factor. Two more models come out holding an envelope each, one with a multiply inside, one with a division. Don't pick the wrong one. The top prize is over €4m, the average prize seems to be about €20,000.

It's a rollercoaster you can't get off, basically. I fully anticipate that to get slagged off, but you know, it just works. It helps that it's hosted by Pupo, who also hosted their version of DoND for a long time, and is hugely excellent.
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Post by: Neumms on November 17, 2006, 07:18:32 PM
[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'138145\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 06:29 PM\']
It's a rollercoaster you can't get off, basically. I fully anticipate that to get slagged off, but you know, it just works. It helps that it's hosted by Pupo, who also hosted their version of DoND for a long time, and is hugely excellent.
[/quote]

But roller coasters aren't that much fun to watch. They're fun to ride.
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Post by: clemon79 on November 17, 2006, 08:11:19 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'138146\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 04:18 PM\']
But roller coasters aren't that much fun to watch. They're fun to ride.
[/quote]
Speaking as a former Atari employee, I don't know if that statement is entirely true. (http://\"http://www.atari.com/rollercoastertycoon/us/index.php\") :)
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Post by: TimK2003 on November 17, 2006, 09:57:22 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138147\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 09:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'138146\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 04:18 PM\']
But roller coasters aren't that much fun to watch. They're fun to ride.
[/quote]
Speaking as a former Atari employee, I don't know if that statement is entirely true. (http://\"http://www.atari.com/rollercoastertycoon/us/index.php\") :)
[/quote]

And on the flip side, not *all* roller coasters are fun to ride...I can handle the mega- and giga-coasters, but as each year that passes in my middle age, the maximum amount of loopage before before I turn a lovely shade of green seems to decrease by a loop each year.  And don't get me started on the "wild mouse rides" that start spinning you around where you least expect them to.
Title: "Show Me The Shatner"
Post by: sshuffield70 on November 17, 2006, 10:38:38 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'138147\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 08:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'138146\' date=\'Nov 17 2006, 04:18 PM\']
But roller coasters aren't that much fun to watch. They're fun to ride.
[/quote]
Speaking as a former Atari employee, I don't know if that statement is entirely true. (http://\"http://www.atari.com/rollercoastertycoon/us/index.php\") :)
[/quote]

A good excuse to reload RCT3. ;)