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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: --Richard on August 23, 2006, 11:27:11 AM
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I wouldn't mind seeing the Reg Grundy Library or the Barry/Enright library.
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The Burt Sugarman or the Jim Victory libraries.
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Don Lipp-Ron Greenberg.
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See the newest entry in the Archives for my answer.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'128652\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 11:28 AM\']See the newest entry in the Archives for my answer.[/quote]Yeah, I get the feeling that particular item is going to be used a lot...
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[quote name=\'rialtus\' post=\'128654\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 09:38 AM\']
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'128652\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 11:28 AM\']See the newest entry in the Archives for my answer.[/quote]Yeah, I get the feeling that particular item is going to be used a lot...
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I could not be more honored. :)
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Heatter-Quigley or Heatter solo----probably just for "High Rollers" and "Battlestars" more than anything else.
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Anything NBC is holding back. Concentration is, and should need to be my only, reasoning for this...
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[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'128674\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 02:16 PM\']
Anything NBC is holding back. Concentration is, and should need to be my only, reasoning for this...
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GSN has done business in the past with NBC for WL, DED and 21 (Not to mention Spy TV and Next Action Hero). I find it difficult to believe they would play hardball with Concentration. Maybe Jim Victory (or successor) still has an interest.
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[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'128662\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 12:14 PM\']
Heatter-Quigley or Heatter solo----probably just for "High Rollers" and "Battlestars" more than anything else.
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Me too, I would like to see The Hollywood Squares again, and would love to see the one existing Video Village tape turn up in that Monday 2 a.m. CST classics slot.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128741\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 07:09 PM\']Me too, I would like to see The Hollywood Squares again, and would love to see the one existing Video Village tape turn up in that Monday 2 a.m. CST classics slot.[/quote]
There is more than one Video Village episode out there. One of the treats from GSC4 last year was a screening of a Monty Hall-hosted episode of Video Village.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'128744\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 06:19 PM\']
There is more than one Video Village episode out there. One of the treats from GSC4 last year was a screening of a Monty Hall-hosted episode of Video Village.
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I understood there was only one preserved on actual videotape and the others were kinescopes.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128745\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 07:20 PM\']
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'128744\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 06:19 PM\']
There is more than one Video Village episode out there. One of the treats from GSC4 last year was a screening of a Monty Hall-hosted episode of Video Village.
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I understood there was only one preserved on actual videotape and the others were kinescopes.
[/quote]As far as I remember, the aforementioned Hall episode wasn't a kinescope.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128741\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 07:09 PM\']
Me too, I would like to see The Hollywood Squares
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I think the reason THS went off GSN at all was it got poor ratings. But yes, I would like to see it again, and maybe we will if the 50 Greatest was any signal.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'128747\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 06:23 PM\']
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128745\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 07:20 PM\']
I understood there was only one preserved on actual videotape and the others were kinescopes.
[/quote]As far as I remember, the aforementioned Hall episode wasn't a kinescope.
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That may very well be the one then. Would love to have it at my house.
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[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128748\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 06:29 PM\']
[I think the reason THS went off GSN at all was it got poor ratings. But yes, I would like to see it again, and maybe we will if the 50 Greatest was any signal.
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I thought the reason the ratings declined was rerun abuse; they only had 120 episodes and reran them several times a day. Then again I also heard some of the GSN honchos had issues with the demos it pulled, which would pretty much be a permanent death knell. I would love to be proven wrong about that.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128752\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 07:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128748\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 06:29 PM\']
[I think the reason THS went off GSN at all was it got poor ratings. But yes, I would like to see it again, and maybe we will if the 50 Greatest was any signal.
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I thought the reason the ratings declined was rerun abuse; they only had 120 episodes and reran them several times a day. Then again I also heard some of the GSN honchos had issues with the demos it pulled, which would pretty much be a permanent death knell. I would love to be proven wrong about that.
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According to your site classicsquares.com, the reason was that it failed to apply to the younger demos. GSN also said that those younger demos had no idea who the celebs from THS even were.
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In this age that the younger crowd is becoming more and more adept to using the internet, if they really wanted to know who the celebrities were, they could just Google it.
Before you spit your drink out, I know that's improbable, but it's what I usually do if I don't recognize a name. It's not just that the younger crowd doesn't know who they are, it's that they probably don't WANT to know who they are.
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[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128753\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 06:52 PM\']
According to your site classicsquares.com, the reason was that it failed to apply to the younger demos. GSN also said that those younger demos had no idea who the celebs from THS even were.
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That's the info I always had, the idea of "rerun abuse" is strictly a theory on my part. The reruns, from what I understand, did start out with high ratings that eventually declined.
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I'd like to see the library they had on Win Ben Stein's Money. Probably a lot of classic books in that one.
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I'd like to see the W.T. Naud library (kidding)...in all seriousness...the Grundy shows would make me a happy man.
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Grundy and Barry-Enright...or at least TJW and TTD.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'128844\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 11:39 PM\']
I'd like to see the library they had on Win Ben Stein's Money. Probably a lot of classic books in that one.
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...probably hiding Kimmel's stack of Playboys.
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GSN also said that those younger demos had no idea who the celebs from THS even were.
Same could be said for other '70s shows that GSN has aired. Back then I didn't even know why some of them were famous - other than being professional game show panelists...(a job I'd love to have!)
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'128943\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 01:47 PM\']
GSN also said that those younger demos had no idea who the celebs from THS even were.
Same could be said for other '70s shows that GSN has aired. Back then I didn't even know why some of them were famous - other than being professional game show panelists...(a job I'd love to have!)
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The reverse is probably true with older demos for today's celebs. For example, on "Pyramid," the only ones I knew were Dick Clark, Coolio and the Pine-Sol lady.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'128868\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 04:05 AM\']
Grundy and Barry-Enright...or at least TJW and TTD.
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The Grundy library would make a lot of people's days...but as long as Fremantle has it...don't bet on it.
B/E...well maybe if the 50 Greatest was any sign...we could see that soon.
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[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128961\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 02:18 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'128868\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 04:05 AM\']
Grundy and Barry-Enright...or at least TJW and TTD.
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The Grundy library would make a lot of people's days...but as long as Fremantle has it...don't bet on it.
B/E...well maybe if the 50 Greatest was any sign...we could see that soon.
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Why? The B&E shows have aged a lot worse than the G-T shows they're currently airing.
And if they have to do a show-by-show with Sony, they're not going to spend any money on low-audience, aged-demo daytime programming. The blanket renewal of G-T is all they're going to spend any time soon. The money's going to go to the evening programming and originals and acquisitions of recent titles that are more promotable and may draw more bodies than "Tic Tac Dough" in the daytime.
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I think you'd be more inclined to see some of these older shows on AmericanLife. (Right after a rerun of "Sugarfoot", perhaps.)
I doubt you'll ever see some of them again on GSN. As Mark noted above, these shows have not aged well and look horribly dated now; even the later Tic Tacs from the mid-80's have a moldy stench to them.
Sorry for the reality of television, kiddies.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'129289\' date=\'Aug 27 2006, 11:02 AM\']
I doubt you'll ever see some of them again on GSN. As Mark noted above, these shows have not aged well and look horribly dated now; even the later Tic Tacs from the mid-80's have a moldy stench to them.
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Damn that Chevrolet Chevette! :-P
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Although I think the Caldwell set at least made TTD look 80s. Not modern to the channel flipper, but better than the Wink episodes. And TJW looked marvelous when it went from the Big Room of Stucco and Annoying Chaser Lights on Warp Speed to the neon set. Now the music cues and prizes would be a time warp still, but...
-Jason
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I'd like to see the Jay Wolpert library.
Especially Whew! and Blackout.
I think Blackout deserved a longer lifespan than it got.
All Hail Jay Wolpert!!
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[quote name=\'gsfreak82\' post=\'129371\' date=\'Aug 27 2006, 07:07 PM\']
I'd like to see the Jay Wolpert library.
Especially Whew! and Blackout.
I think Blackout deserved a longer lifespan than it got.
All Hail Jay Wolpert!!
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Seems like a good idea, but:
1) you'd burn through most of it rather quickly
2) Wolpert's "library" for the most part is only a handful of shows (Fremantle has most of it, IIRC), of which you'd burn through most of it before the year was out
3) Are people really clamoring to see more "Wait 'til YOU Have Kids"?
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'129532\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 07:24 PM\']
1) you'd burn through most of it rather quickly
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Whew! ran a year, didn't it? Beats the hell out of rehashing the same 65 episodes of I've Got Teh Ghey that they've been running.
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Yes, Whew! ran just over a year. I think it deserved a longer run. It's one of my favorite game shows and was hoping it would have made GSN's top 50 list. I was even expecting - and hoping - the 1980 Chain Reaction would make the list, since GSN made a revival of the show.
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[quote name=\'michaellinn\' post=\'129535\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 09:45 PM\']
I was even expecting - and hoping - the 1980 Chain Reaction would make the list, since GSN made a revival of the show.
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I thought CR would get picked as well. I now further question why they chose Chain Reaction to be the revived show if they thought those other ones were so much better...
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129534\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 10:36 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'129532\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 07:24 PM\']
1) you'd burn through most of it rather quickly
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Whew! ran a year, didn't it? Beats the hell out of rehashing the same 65 episodes of I've Got Teh Ghey that they've been running.
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That's part of the reason why I said most of it.
Would it be hard to get Whew!? I wouldn't mind seeing it on the schedule, but outside of this forum and the game show fandom, how many actually would care one way or another?
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'129545\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 08:21 PM\']
Would it be hard to get Whew!? I wouldn't mind seeing it on the schedule, but outside of this forum and the game show fandom, how many actually would care one way or another?
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Dunno. I'd love to find out, tho. I'm guessing not enough to meet Sugarman's price, though, or else GSN would already have done it.
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Dunno. I'd love to find out, tho. I'm guessing not enough to meet Sugarman's price, though, or else GSN would already have done it.
If they ever have to go through Sugarman, I hope they can talk about whatever might be left of Celebrity Sweepstakes too. That, and Whew!, are both in my all-time top 10!
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Sugarman's not averse to opening the vault. We already have selected eps of "Midnight Special" and the complete "The Richard Pryor Show" on DVD.
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Sugarman's not averse to opening the vault. We already have selected eps of "Midnight Special" and the complete "The Richard Pryor Show" on DVD.
I know that Jeopardy has released some episodes on DVD. I wonder if eventually some other producer would try to test-market a few shows to see how they did. Obviously we wouldn't expect Whew to be one of those shows, but how about something more people might recognize or remember - like "Best of Match Game", "Classic Price is Right", or even the complete Aug 1999 first series of Who Wants to be a Millionaire?
Do you think something like that might fly? Does anyone know how well the Jeopardy DVD sold?
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'129625\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 03:06 PM\']
Do you think something like that might fly? [/quote]
Would seem to me that Chuck Barris could make a mint putting clips or whole eps of NEWLYWED, DATING and GONG on DVD (although music clearances could also be an issue--don't forget that one of the prinicpal reasons WKRP hasn't seen the light of day on DVD is music clearances).
Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues
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Unless I'm completely unknowledgable about what' costs royalties, there are at least a handful of "Gong"s they could put to DVD, seeing as how GSN has ran them for the "Confessions" movie and other celebrations. I for one would pick up a DVD of five or so "Gong Show" episodes in a heartbeat. The scant few I have viewed to this point have all produced a belly laugh.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'129628\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 04:12 PM\']
(although music clearances could also be an issue--don't forget that one of the prinicpal reasons WKRP hasn't seen the light of day on DVD is music clearances).
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At this point, I'd take WKRP eps. with the music replaced. A well-written show that stands up almost 30 years later, except for a few dated references.
/Thank goodness for Youtube.
ObGameShow: Tim "Venus Flytrap" Reid appeared on the Just Men ep. that Locklin uploaded to his site, and Francini uploaded a clip of.
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Discussion of Burt Sugarman and other owners of library material has me wondering. The tapes are generating exactly zero revenue for Sugarman as they sit around collecting dust. Why would he demand such a high price that GSN wouldn't be willing or able to pay it? Wouldn't it be better to get a less-than-optimal price for them than no price at all? They surely are not becoming more valuable with age.
I can, to some degree, understand Fremantle's pricing TPIR out of GSN's range so as to keep the current show from competing with itself (especially when the older episodes are, in the opinion of many, superior to the current ones). I cannot understand why Sugarman and others would prefer no revenue to a small amount of revenue. At least the revenue they'd generate from GSN would cover the cost of tape storage.
Are we just speculating here without firm evidence to suggest that this is, in fact, what is happening?
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'129545\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 11:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129534\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 10:36 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'129532\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 07:24 PM\']
1) you'd burn through most of it rather quickly
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Whew! ran a year, didn't it? Beats the hell out of rehashing the same 65 episodes of I've Got Teh Ghey that they've been running.
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That's part of the reason why I said most of it.
Would it be hard to get Whew!? I wouldn't mind seeing it on the schedule, but outside of this forum and the game show fandom, how many actually would care one way or another?
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True but don't forget they ran GO a few times. Why not Blackout or Rodeo Drive?
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[quote name=\'gsfreak82\' post=\'129925\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 08:47 AM\']
True but don't forget they ran GO a few times. Why not Blackout or Rodeo Drive?
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Because until 2001 they had unlimited rights to use "Go!" and have relatively-easy access to it today. "Blackout" or "Rodeo Drive" would have to be negotiated--and I don't know if Wolpert or someone else has the rights to those shows.
And it's been well-established that they are not going to pony up money for 15-year-old titles that the general viewer has never heard of. When you're programming to channel surfers, you have to have familiarity to get their attention. Some old game show they've never heard of with hosts they don't really recognize ("Oh, it's that 'Entertainment Tonight' guy--it's that woman that used to be on Carson with the impressions") won't cut it. I'm not knocking the shows--I'm just stating the way things are.
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[quote name=\'gsfreak82\' post=\'129925\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 08:47 AM\']
True but don't forget they ran GO a few times. Why not Blackout or Rodeo Drive?
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There's no correlation between GO and BLACKOUT/RODEO DRIVE. GO was a Bob Stewart show, not Wolpert.
Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'129628\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 03:12 PM\']
Would seem to me that Chuck Barris could make a mint putting clips or whole eps of NEWLYWED, DATING and GONG on DVD (although music clearances could also be an issue--don't forget that one of the prinicpal reasons WKRP hasn't seen the light of day on DVD is music clearances).
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Wasn't there some kind of Newlywed Game VHS put out around 1998?
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'129953\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 01:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'gsfreak82\' post=\'129925\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 08:47 AM\']
True but don't forget they ran GO a few times. Why not Blackout or Rodeo Drive?
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There's no correlation between GO and BLACKOUT/RODEO DRIVE. GO was a Bob Stewart show, not Wolpert.[/quote]
The connection is that Blackout, Rodeo Drive, and Go all ran for 13 or so weeks.
Addressing Mark's statement about the rights to Blackout and Rodeo Drive, Wolpert has those. And if I ever win Mega Millions, I'll do whatever I have to do to get Whew! "You want $2,000,000 for Whew? (Hypothetical number there.) I wipe my ass with that amount of money, Burt." :-)
/ 1. Buy Whew!'s rights
// 2. ?????
/// 3. PROFIT!
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'129957\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 02:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'129628\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 03:12 PM\']
Would seem to me that Chuck Barris could make a mint putting clips or whole eps of NEWLYWED, DATING and GONG on DVD (although music clearances could also be an issue--don't forget that one of the prinicpal reasons WKRP hasn't seen the light of day on DVD is music clearances).
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Wasn't there some kind of Newlywed Game VHS put out around 1998?
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Yes...I wanna say around 1996. I remember Bob Eubanks plugging it on Jim J. Bullock and Tammy Faye's (Bakker) talk show. Although Tammy Faye might've left the show by that point.
/Strange combo
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Does anyone know what exists of Ralph Andrews produced shows? I know I'd love to see whatever exists of "Celebrity Sweepstakes" and "You Don't Say" (all versions), plus maybe finally the Allen Ludden hosted episodes of "Liars Club".