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Title: B&W Overnight Down to ONE Night a Week...
Post by: dad1153 on August 11, 2006, 09:07:16 PM
http://www.tvgameshows.net/morenews.htm (http://\"http://www.tvgameshows.net/morenews.htm\")

Zap2it doesn't confirm Beverly's dates (Aug. 28th shows 'Starface' and 'WML?' at 3AM) but that could change.  This is one of those times I really, really hope the Prof is as way off as he sometimes is known for being.  I love classic B&W gameshows since I discovered GSN back in '03.  To lose them to more repeats of 'Chain Reaction' or the new 'IGAS' would suck Pop Tarts!  BTW, Beverly mentions that the B&W Overnight block would be "replaced" by rotating G-T shows but the example he cites is the short-lived (four episodes) 'What's Going On?'  WTH??!!
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Post by: PYLW on August 11, 2006, 09:43:29 PM
Hm...I don't know about this one. I really hope that he is horribly wrong (Not a shock, coming from him...). What makes it worse is that it's Sunday going into Monday.
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Post by: ilb4ever2000 on August 11, 2006, 11:38:29 PM
The words "in an announcement released Thursday" would make me believe this is not something Beverly pulled out of his butt.

BTW, if you read on, he explains why the cigarette-sponsored episodes were pulled.
Title: B&W Overnight Down to ONE Night a Week...
Post by: dad1153 on August 11, 2006, 11:42:16 PM
[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' post=\'127120\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 11:38 PM\']
BTW, if you read on, he explains why the cigarette-sponsored episodes were pulled.
[/quote]

Maybe if I write an angry letter explaining that it isn't really a 'game' of any kind GSN would dump 'Love Connection.'  Worth a shot! :-)
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 11, 2006, 11:45:26 PM
The only tiny, tiny positive to take from this is that is appears they're going to let their archvist dig around in the obscurities pile.  Those of you new to the network will get your first (and probably only) shots at Get the Message, What's Going On? (yay!) and hopefully others.
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Post by: PYLW on August 12, 2006, 01:10:04 AM
Couldn't Winner Take All air aswell? I think that's a GT show...
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Post by: Don Howard on August 12, 2006, 08:26:37 AM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'127129\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 01:10 AM\']
Couldn't Winner Take All air aswell? I think that's a GT show...
[/quote]
Not only is it, but I believe it was their first----going back to the program's origins on radio.
Title: B&W Overnight Down to ONE Night a Week...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 12, 2006, 11:35:59 AM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'127140\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 08:26 AM\']
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'127129\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 01:10 AM\']
Couldn't Winner Take All air aswell? I think that's a GT show...
[/quote]
Not only is it, but I believe it was their first----going back to the program's origins on radio.[/quote]
And it absolutely could be a choice.  They appear to have five episodes - four Cullen and one Barry Gray.  They might have more Barry Gray, I obviously don't care as much about those.  They last aired the Cullen episodes in September, 2004, and I have a lovely DVD to prove it.
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Post by: PYLW on August 12, 2006, 12:14:23 PM
That's awesome, I hope they do air them, have never seen the show before. It sounds cool. Was it Cullen's first show, as well as it being the first Goodson-Todman show?
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 12, 2006, 12:22:59 PM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'127154\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 12:14 PM\']
That's awesome, I hope they do air them, have never seen the show before. It sounds cool. Was it Cullen's first show, as well as it being the first Goodson-Todman show?[/quote]
Cullen had hosted local television shows, but this was his first network show (http://\"http://userdata.acd.net/ottinger/cullen/shows/winner.html\").  And yes, it was also G-T's first.  The Encyclopedia says that it was the first game show carried on the CBS television network.  The Encyclopedia also says that Bill was the host when it debuted on the radio, but the Encyclopedia is wrong about that (http://\"http://userdata.acd.net/ottinger/cullen/radio/quiz.html\").
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 12, 2006, 01:22:53 PM
[quote name=\'dad1153\' post=\'127109\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 08:07 PM\']
To lose them to more repeats of 'Chain Reaction' or the new 'IGAS' would suck Pop Tarts! [/quote]
"Suck Pop Tarts"?  What the hell.

One more example of GSN's PR department doing a less than admirable job...if their "source" is a fan-run website; and on no major site...then you really aren't getting the job done.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 12, 2006, 02:03:10 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127161\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 10:22 AM\']
One more example of GSN's PR department doing a less than admirable job...if their "source" is a fan-run website; and on no major site...then you really aren't getting the job done.
[/quote]
Not disagreeing with your assessment of GSN's promotions department, but please do enlighten us as to what would constitute a major site in this case.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 12, 2006, 02:04:44 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127166\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 01:03 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127161\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 10:22 AM\']
One more example of GSN's PR department doing a less than admirable job...if their "source" is a fan-run website; and on no major site...then you really aren't getting the job done.
[/quote]
Not disagreeing with your assessment of GSN's promotions department, but please do enlighten us as to what would constitute a major site in this case.
[/quote]
Something such as Zap2It, TV Guide, Cableword...which, to my knowledge didn't publish this "report".
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Post by: cweaver on August 12, 2006, 02:09:16 PM
[quote name=\'dad1153\' post=\'127109\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 08:07 PM\']
http://www.tvgameshows.net/morenews.htm (http://\"http://www.tvgameshows.net/morenews.htm\")

 I love classic B&W gameshows since I discovered GSN back in '03.  To lose them to more repeats of 'Chain Reaction' or the new 'IGAS' would suck Pop Tarts!  BTW, Beverly mentions that the B&W Overnight block would be "replaced" by rotating G-T shows but the example he cites is the short-lived (four episodes) 'What's Going On?'  WTH??!!
[/quote]

Hey, what's wrong with sucking Pop Tarts?

I'm not shocked to see this, GSN has been trending lately to be hostile to black and white.  It's evil, it makes people run, their idea of torture is being tied to chairs and forced to watch B&W, "Clockwork Orange" style, etc.  Note how their PR releases implied we might very well see entire black and white episodes unspool on the "50 Greatest" (even played up "You Bet Your Life") but it's obvious now there's no way that's going to happen.  That's what *does* shock me: their occasional releases implying they haven't forgotten those shows, in the face of their actions like these making liars out of themselves.

I'm just immovably convinced they're never going get that 18-34 demo they're so enslaved to, and I kind of resent the implication that those of us who want to see B&W are just ruining their day.  Too bad.  I know it's their network but that doesn't mean I'll take anything they throw at me (less so, someone younger).

And yes I know it's going on everywhere (TV Land is in the middle of a similar shakedown implying hostility to black and white) but that doesn't mean I'm going to conk myself in the forehead and just fall in love with it.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 12, 2006, 02:18:56 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127167\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 11:04 AM\']
Something such as Zap2It, TV Guide, Cableword...which, to my knowledge didn't publish this "report".
[/quote]
Okay. I'm far from a defender of the Perfesser.

But, please to be explaining to me the difference between the Perfesser taking a press release faxed to him from GSN and making a story out of it, and one of those sites that you mention doing the same thing. Because I assure you, GSN faxed that release to all of those people (and probably more), the source material is absolutely identical, and the other three simply decided (and probably rightly, considering the return on their investment would have been next to nothing) it wasn't important enough to spend man-hours on it.

That said, the one thing GSN could do is set aside a portion of their public web presence to post those releases there. I can't see how that doesn't benefit them, and beyond the initial setup (which is really minimal) it takes next to no work.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 12, 2006, 02:25:33 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127172\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 01:18 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127167\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 11:04 AM\']
Something such as Zap2It, TV Guide, Cableword...which, to my knowledge didn't publish this "report".
[/quote]
Okay. I'm far from a defender of the Perfesser.

But, please to be explaining to me the difference between the Perfesser taking a press release faxed to him from GSN and making a story out of it, and one of those sites that you mention doing the same thing. [/quote]
Because I have a problem with the legtimacy of stories posted on Steve's site.  If one of the sites above posted the story, and turned out to be wrong, they would likely issue a retraction--Steve would not.

Basically what I'm saying is that I really don't trust any information posted there (and don't visit his site), but would be likely to trust it if it came from anywhere else but him.
Title: B&W Overnight Down to ONE Night a Week...
Post by: clemon79 on August 12, 2006, 02:35:48 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127173\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 11:25 AM\']
Basically what I'm saying is that I really don't trust any information posted there (and don't visit his site), but would be likely to trust it if it came from anywhere else but him.
[/quote]
Reasonable. Overly paranoid, especially in a situation like this where it's plain he parroted from a press release and didn't editorialize, but reasonable.
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Post by: xavier45 on August 12, 2006, 06:38:19 PM
Well zap2it has The Amazing Race listed in the 3am slot on August 21st. Boy now GSN's savior of a show in a slot like that. Now to me that is funny.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 12, 2006, 08:41:22 PM
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Well zap2it has The Amazing Race listed in the 3am slot on July 21st.

Before someone hounds you for it, I'm sure everyone knows that you meant August 21st.
Welp, if it wasn't on the 50 Greatest Countdown, Amazing Race just had to shaft What's My Line somehow. Suckage.

--Jamie
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Post by: snowpeck on August 13, 2006, 03:16:08 AM
Yep... scanned through Zap2It (thank goodness the old version of the grid is still available) and TAR is at 3am 6 days a week starting then.  Here's the schedule for the new and not-so-improved B&W block for the next few weeks:


8/28 - Get the Message and What's Going On
9/4 - Make the Connection and Play Your Hunch
9/11 - Password and Judge for Yourself

I like that they're playing the rarely seen shows, and I wouldnt have minded if they had started showing those on Sunday nights/Monday mornings, but did they have to take the B&W block off the rest of the week?


Greg
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Post by: ChrisLambert! on August 13, 2006, 12:05:15 PM
I'm a big TAR fan, but I can't watch the hacked-up GSN reruns. I wonder if this isn't an attempt to plow through their contracted number of reruns of each ep so they can let the show go?

(TAR should've been on Fox Reality Channel all along.)
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Post by: dad1153 on August 13, 2006, 01:13:38 PM
Zap2It is also showing that, starting on Sat. 8/26, two repeats of 'Lingo' and a 'Dog Eat Dog' showing will replace the 10PM-12AM airings of 'TAR' on Saturday nights.  Great, we haven't seen these two shows on GSN since a few hours/days ago!
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Post by: PYLW on August 13, 2006, 01:21:52 PM
[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'127218\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 03:16 AM\']

8/28 - Get the Message and What's Going On
9/4 - Make the Connection and Play Your Hunch
9/11 - Password and Judge for Yourself
[/quote]

Thanks for that, Greg. Five of the six shows above are shows that I have never seen before. Looks good. I thought it was only thirty minutes per week, but this makes the situation seem a tiny bit better.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 13, 2006, 02:06:01 PM
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9/11 - Password and Judge for Yourself

Judge For Yourself? Was there any period in the show's run where it wasn't sponsored by Old Golds?

--Jamie
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Post by: clemon79 on August 13, 2006, 02:11:27 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'127248\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 11:06 AM\']
Judge For Yourself? Was there any period in the show's run where it wasn't sponsored by Old Golds?
[/quote]
Didn't stop them from airing Two For The Money. Or is the no-shows-sponsored-by-cigs a recent policy?
Title: B&W Overnight Down to ONE Night a Week...
Post by: clemon79 on August 13, 2006, 03:46:24 PM
[quote name=\'cool245\' post=\'127256\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 12:27 PM\']
I believe the episodes of Two for the Money that GSN aired didn't have the Old Gold logo on the set.
[/quote]
You, sir, as usual, and unsurprisingly, would be very very wrong.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 13, 2006, 03:52:41 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127262\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 02:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'cool245\' post=\'127256\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 12:27 PM\']
I believe the episodes of Two for the Money that GSN aired didn't have the Old Gold logo on the set.
[/quote]
You, sir, as usual, and unsurprisingly, would be very very wrong.
[/quote]
But don't forget, Chris...he's cooler than you. :)
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Post by: snowpeck on August 13, 2006, 03:55:22 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127262\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 03:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'cool245\' post=\'127256\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 12:27 PM\']
I believe the episodes of Two for the Money that GSN aired didn't have the Old Gold logo on the set.
[/quote]
You, sir, as usual, and unsurprisingly, would be very very wrong.
[/quote]


Actually, the last time Two For the Money aired on GSN (which IIRC was around last Thanksgiving), the only ones they were able to air were the handful of episodes--I'm thinking it was only 6 or so--that weren't sponsored by Old Gold... and that included the one surviving episode with Sam Levinson.


Greg
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Post by: clemon79 on August 13, 2006, 04:17:43 PM
[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'127269\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 12:55 PM\']
Actually, the last time Two For the Money aired on GSN (which IIRC was around last Thanksgiving), the only ones they were able to air were the handful of episodes--I'm thinking it was only 6 or so--that weren't sponsored by Old Gold... and that included the one surviving episode with Sam Levinson.
[/quote]
Which goes back to my original question, because back in the day when 2FTM was a regular on the GSN schedule, they very much aired the Old Gold episodes.
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Post by: snowpeck on August 13, 2006, 04:32:53 PM
Yes, I watched TFTM every Sunday back in 99 or 00, and each contestant got a box of Old Gold.  The no-cig policy went into effect last summer or so.


Greg
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 13, 2006, 04:41:58 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127270\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 04:17 PM\']Which goes back to my original question, because back in the day when 2FTM was a regular on the GSN schedule, they very much aired the Old Gold episodes.[/quote]

I remember them first making a huge deal about the "lost" cigarette episodes and padding them with vintage anti-smoking PSA's.  Then there was a period, as you say, where they sorta didn't make any big deal about it and just played them anyway.  Then came this, according to everyone's favorite professor:

Quote
A favorite with hardcore and classic game show fans, the block created a legal headache for GSN when episodes of Secret, Truth and Two for the Money which featured cigarette sponsor logos on the set aired frequently. A Midwest viewer complained to the network, citing violations of the three-decade agreement to end cigarette advertising on television. Ultimately, Sony attorneys ordered the tobacco logo episodes shelved.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 13, 2006, 07:16:03 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127273\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 01:41 PM\']
Then came this, according to everyone's favorite professor:
Quote
A favorite with hardcore and classic game show fans, the block created a legal headache for GSN when episodes of Secret, Truth and Two for the Money which featured cigarette sponsor logos on the set aired frequently. A Midwest viewer complained to the network, citing violations of the three-decade agreement to end cigarette advertising on television. Ultimately, Sony attorneys ordered the tobacco logo episodes shelved.
[/quote]
It was then determined that the Midwestern viewer wasn't complaining about advertising cigarettes, but that the packaging wasn't up to date. He then proceeded to scream "POP TARTS!!!" several times into the phone before hanging up. :)
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Post by: dad1153 on August 13, 2006, 07:53:55 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127282\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 07:16 PM\']
It was then determined that the Midwestern viewer wasn't complaining about advertising cigarettes, but that the packaging wasn't up to date. He then proceeded to scream "POP TARTS!!!" several times into the phone before hanging up. :)[/quote]

Mmmphhh, Pop Tarts!  Yummy!
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Post by: cweaver on August 13, 2006, 09:24:42 PM
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A favorite with hardcore and classic game show fans, the block created a legal headache for GSN when episodes of Secret, Truth and Two for the Money which featured cigarette sponsor logos on the set aired frequently. A Midwest viewer complained to the network, citing violations of the three-decade agreement to end cigarette advertising on television. Ultimately, Sony attorneys ordered the tobacco logo episodes shelved.

So evidently Sony's attorneys weren't smart enough to come up with a disclaimer saying the cigarette company references were historical and should not be accepted now as a plea to smoke?  The packager of the "Phil Silvers Show" DVD was able to figure that one out fairly easily.
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Post by: cweaver on August 13, 2006, 09:39:13 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'127248\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 01:06 PM\']

Judge For Yourself? Was there any period in the show's run where it wasn't sponsored by Old Golds?

--Jamie
[/quote]

Why would this even be an issue if Old Golds aren't even made anymore?  I know about the tobacco suit, the lawyers, etc. but I still don't get why this would be a big deal as opposed to the Winston logo on "I've Got a Secret" or the Salem logo on "To Tell the Truth."  They still make those but they don't make Old Golds, haven't in about 25 years, so it's not like anyone's going to run out to the convenience store and get any.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 13, 2006, 09:53:10 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'127288\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 06:39 PM\']
Why would this even be an issue if Old Golds aren't even made anymore?  I know about the tobacco suit, the lawyers, etc. but I still don't get why this would be a big deal as opposed to the Winston logo on "I've Got a Secret" or the Salem logo on "To Tell the Truth."  They still make those but they don't make Old Golds, haven't in about 25 years, so it's not like anyone's going to run out to the convenience store and get any.
[/quote]
Has nothing to do with the specific brand, and everything to do, apparently at least to this Midwestern asshat, with the promotion of smoking. A couple comes out, Herb crosses their palms with two cartons each of Old Golds, and tells them how sure he is that they will enjoy smoking them, and I guess if you're particularly terribly stupid, that makes you want to run out and shove a cancer stick in your mouth where you might not have before.

I understand banning direct smoking ads, like commercial time on a TV show. I don't get this. Maybe one of our red-staters can explain the thought process.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 13, 2006, 11:30:56 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'127288\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 08:39 PM\']
Why would this even be an issue if Old Golds aren't even made anymore?  I know about the tobacco suit, the lawyers, etc. but I still don't get why this would be a big deal as opposed to the Winston logo on "I've Got a Secret" or the Salem logo on "To Tell the Truth."  They still make those but they don't make Old Golds, haven't in about 25 years, so it's not like anyone's going to run out to the convenience store and get any.
[/quote]
Next time, check your facts.
They are still made.
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Post by: BobbyLankford_83 on August 14, 2006, 12:02:52 AM
Yep, they still make Old Golds, Modor. I saw a carton of them this morning when I was at Safeway buying groceries. Maybe the poster who said Old Golds are not made anymore was thinking of two other brands that are not made anymore, Bel Air and Raleigh cigarettes . I think Lorillard or Brown and Williamson made Raleigh and Bel Air . I know Lorillard does Old Gold. And Dennis James did ads for them in the 1950's . Maybe your parents or grand parents remember the old ads with the dancing Old Gold cigarette boxes.
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Post by: cweaver on August 14, 2006, 05:15:40 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127305\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 10:30 PM\']
[Next time, check your facts.
They are still made.
[/quote]

Sorry to so deeply offend you by being wrong, but I could've sworn I actually saw a press release once indicating they were being discontinued.  Obviously I was wrong.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 14, 2006, 11:09:58 AM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'127285\' date=\'Aug 13 2006, 09:24 PM\']So evidently Sony's attorneys weren't smart enough to come up with a disclaimer saying the cigarette company references were historical and should not be accepted now as a plea to smoke?  The packager of the "Phil Silvers Show" DVD was able to figure that one out fairly easily.[/quote]
That particular point is easily dismissed.  DVDs are different than a network airing things on television.  Heck, you can buy DVDs of nothing BUT cigarette commercials.

Look, this would be a bigger deal for GSN if there were signs for cigarettes on the set of Match Game, or Family Feud.  The black and white shows are virtually meaningless to them.  If it's going to cause ANY extra trouble or ANY extra effort for them to air the cigarette-sponsored shows, there's no reason for them to bother.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 14, 2006, 11:51:52 AM
I'm surprised nobody's mention this yet...or if they have I guess I've missed it.  

According to Steve Beverly, GSN will air two Password episodes in their overnight block on Sept 10th - including the only surviving ABC episode that they have.

Just a heads up...if it does air I'm sure it's one we'd all like to have!

Here's the link - see near the bottom.

http://tvgameshows.net/classicmoment.htm (http://\"http://tvgameshows.net/classicmoment.htm\")
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 14, 2006, 12:32:07 PM
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According to Steve Beverly, GSN will air two Password episodes in their overnight block on Sept 10th - including the only surviving ABC episode that they have.


It's about time GSN got ahold of them, even if it's just one of them!
Super move. It's probably the episode with clips featured on VH-1 with Brett Somers and Jack Klugman, but that's just as guess.
If it's entirely different and it turns out that they have ANOTHER one we didn't know about, then I for one will just about forgive them for a lot of the 50 Greatest Game Shows debacle.

--Jamie
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Post by: Allstar87 on August 14, 2006, 02:37:50 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'127357\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 12:32 PM\']
It's about time GSN got ahold of them, even if it's just one of them!
Super move. It's probably the episode with clips featured on VH-1 with Brett Somers and Jack Klugman, but that's just as guess.
If it's entirely different and it turns out that they have ANOTHER one we didn't know about, then I for one will just about forgive them for a lot of the 50 Greatest Game Shows debacle.
[/quote]

Heck, I'll forgive them no matter which episode they air! The very fact they're airing an ABC Password episode is incredible. Never in a million years did I expect that.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 14, 2006, 02:45:55 PM
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'127374\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 02:37 PM\']Heck, I'll forgive them no matter which episode they air! The very fact they're airing an ABC Password episode is incredible. Never in a million years did I expect that.[/quote]
It's surprising for a lot of reasons.  Mostly, the fact that the network has been around for ten years now, and if they had the episode before, it seems like they would have showed it back when they cared more about the classic shows.  To give collectors and fans this preposterously rare treat at three o'clock in the morning seems quite odd, and almost too good to be true.  Even if it is one that we know about, it'll get into a lot more hands and in a lot better quality this way.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 14, 2006, 02:54:58 PM
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Even if it is one that we know about, it'll get into a lot more hands and in a lot better quality this way.

Agreed. Who cares if it'll have the GSN bug? Collectors will treasure this episode.
Although the Google groups post isn't on hand, I do remember reading waaay back in '97 that GSN had a "sample episode" with "no rights to air it."
Sounded anomalous to me even then, but maybe this is the alleged episode.

Looks like Judge For Yourself won't be seeing the light of day after all, though I'd say it's a more than equitable tradeoff.
This new Sunday Night Overnight deal may be worth it after all. Very reminicent of the old "Game of the Week."

--Jamie
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Post by: uncamark on August 14, 2006, 06:15:16 PM
If Casey's going to say the same thing every month on another thread, I might as well say this again:  For most people, GSN is not "appointment television."  It's "what to watch when there's nothing else on."  Unless the exact same episode appears when someone switches to them twice in a row, their programming strategy is not detrimental to them and may well be beneficial.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 14, 2006, 06:52:10 PM
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Agreed. Who cares if it'll have the GSN bug? Collectors will treasure this episode.
Although the Google groups post isn't on hand, I do remember reading waaay back in '97 that GSN had a "sample episode" with "no rights to air it."

I don't think its that they didn't have the rights to air it, but from what I've heard the quality of the episode is not quite what GSN had hoped for.  Maybe they figure at 3 in the morning it won't matter if it has a few dropouts, or whatever.  I just hope they don't change their minds about airing it.
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Post by: cweaver on August 14, 2006, 07:18:07 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127336\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 10:09 AM\']
That particular point is easily dismissed.  DVDs are different than a network airing things on television.  Heck, you can buy DVDs of nothing BUT cigarette commercials.[/quote]

...Only because the DVD full of cigarette ads is going to a target audience, and won't pop up out of the blue to some unsuspecting, easily offended soul. Otherwise there's really not that much difference in this unique case.  RJ Reynolds surely didn't pay GSN to leave those logos in, they just happen to be there.  On the other hand, DVD releases apparently run into occasional trouble putting cigarette ads on DVD.  Some of the ones on the "Ed Sullivan Show" DVDs (the ones with the Beatles) supposedly had to be replaced because of a different attorney's interpretation.   I'm sure if the Beatles appeared in any of those ads the production company would've fought to keep them in, and I think that's more or less the reason they got by with it on the Bilko DVD.

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Look, this would be a bigger deal for GSN if there were signs for cigarettes on the set of Match Game, or Family Feud.  The black and white shows are virtually meaningless to them.  If it's going to cause ANY extra trouble or ANY extra effort for them to air the cigarette-sponsored shows, there's no reason for them to bother.

And I think that's what this is really about, it's not that they can't, it's that they won't.  I still think a disclaimer ("The cigarette references are presented strictly in their historic context, GSN does not advocate smoking" or something like that) would work here if they wanted it badly enough.

For the record, I'm a non-smoker if that matters.  I'm just irritated that this whiner got his way.
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Post by: cweaver on August 14, 2006, 07:26:07 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'127357\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 11:32 AM\']

Super move. It's probably the episode with clips featured on VH-1 with Brett Somers and Jack Klugman, but that's just as guess.
If it's entirely different and it turns out that they have ANOTHER one we didn't know about, then I for one will just about forgive them for a lot of the 50 Greatest Game Shows debacle.
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Beverly's column says it's the "only known surviving episode."  So this is likely the Klugmans, unless VH-1 got ahold of an 10 minute fragment that only exists in that partial form for whatever reason.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 14, 2006, 07:45:20 PM
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Beverly's column says it's the "only known surviving episode." So this is likely the Klugmans, unless VH-1 got ahold of an 10 minute fragment that only exists in that partial form for whatever reason.

Although it's a shock I'm sure, Beverly's dead wrong on there being just one surviving broadcast / near broadcast quality episode. That's not counting the several shoddy quality UCLA copies, either.
The VH-1 clips with the Klugmans do indeed come from a full episode.


--Jamie
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Post by: cweaver on August 15, 2006, 08:54:21 AM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'127419\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 06:45 PM\']


Although it's a shock I'm sure, Beverly's dead wrong on there being just one surviving broadcast / near broadcast quality episode. That's not counting the several shoddy quality UCLA copies, either.
The VH-1 clips with the Klugmans do indeed come from a full episode.


--Jamie
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I think I speak for a lot of game show fans when I say...please tell me more.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 15, 2006, 01:27:21 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'127467\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 08:54 AM\']I think I speak for a lot of game show fans when I say...please tell me more.[/quote]
With any luck, this link (http://\"http://cinema.library.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=password&SL=None&Search_Code=FTIT&PID=qDoJs%60OHlDoJmhoIw%60oIw%5C_IpTOH&SEQ=20060815101840&CNT=50&HIST=1\") will take you to the UCLA database information, where at the bottom of the page you'll find they have eight episodes from the seventies, mostly from 1973.  I'm never quite sure what is or is not viewable at UCLA, but usually, all you have to do is request a viewing, and then show up at the library.  I'd love to see Alan Alda playing Password.

Clearly, the Klugman episode exists in broadcast condition, and since that's the one that VH-1 was using, chances are that's what we'll see on GSN when it rolls around.  I'm aware of at least one other 70s show in the hands of some collectors (not me, so don't ask) which may very well be one of the UCLA episodes.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 15, 2006, 02:07:10 PM
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I think I speak for a lot of game show fans when I say...please tell me more.

Matt pretty much summed it up. UCLA has 8 of them, but they are all black and white copies.
3 other ones from other sources exist in nice condition, including the series finale. GSN could theoretically air any of them if they successfully acquired them. Then there's the Password All-Stars episode along with the other February 1975 ABC episode floating around the trading circuit.

Total, we're looking at 13 currently known existing episodes of ABC Password, 3 of which are in condition good enough to be broadcasted.

Fin. Time to get back to work...

--Jamie
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Post by: Jay Temple on August 15, 2006, 02:36:07 PM
It's sad that there will only be one night per week, but I will now be adding that one night as a weekly program on my VCR.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 15, 2006, 02:54:25 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'127508\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 02:07 PM\']
3 other ones from other sources exist in nice condition, including the series finale. [/quote]
Sorry, I forgot about the 1975 episodes.  Jimmy's numbers and mine match, then.  Counting the All-Stars, there are three "blue set" episodes from 1975 and two "orange set" episodes from earlier that exist outside of UCLA.
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Post by: mmb5 on August 15, 2006, 05:40:50 PM
The James Shigeta/Betty White is a new one from the last time I checked.  And unlike the others, it's available.    

For those of you unfamiliar with the UCLA collection availability:

You have to register in advance to see anything.  They will usually require some academic purpose.  After that, there are three types of collections they have:

STUDY copies -- Very rare.  You can get those with one days notice.
RESEARCH copies -- More common.  You can get those with one weeks notice.
ARCHIVE copies -- You ain't seeing these.  I've tried.

For Password:
STUDY -- 11 of the 60's episodes are available this way.
RESEARCH -- 15 of the 60's episodes + the Shigeta/White 70's episode.
ARCHIVE -- All of the 70's except for Shigeta/White.


Note that all of the 70s that UCLA has are in B+W for whatever reason.  ABC recently made a big donation of material to UCLA, so maybe more stuff will show up.


--Mike
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Post by: TwoInchQuad on August 15, 2006, 09:19:47 PM
My money is on the 10/23/73 Klugman/Somers episode... but they might also have a good copy of the 2/14/72 ep with Sheila MacRae & Martin Milner.  I will say that if they don't do any tweaking, viewers should probably expect that the color may be a **bit** washed out.  At least it was on the copy I've seen.

I'm not entirely convinced that GSN **has** a master-quality copy of the 6/27/75 finale, though a transfer does exist.  I think that tape may be outside of their archives... but I suppose anything is possible.

Good news, in any event!

-Kevin
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Post by: FeudDude on August 15, 2006, 09:48:57 PM
This just in: According to a release from GSN that was posted on their board as well as on Buzzer, WML? will begin airing at 3 am on Monday mornings beginning October 2 (late October 1).   Although this means that it will take forever to get through all of the episodes (assuming they even run them in order), it's still good to know that the show isn't gone indefinitely.  

And for those of you that still have your doubts, this release also confirms that GSN will air an ABC Password episode.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 15, 2006, 10:05:01 PM
This one actually struck me as even more interesting
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and a countdown of the Greatest Game Show Hosts of All Time.

Here we go again folks.   Thought/Specula-jecture: I'd imagine they won't do 50 this time - Unless they want to get more obscure, I doubt there's the material.  They could go the talk route, but this seems out of line with their other recent actions (the format of the 50 Greatest Shows and the upcoming Thanksgiving fan vote) - 25 Maybe?
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 15, 2006, 10:08:44 PM
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This one actually struck me as even more interesting
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and a countdown of the Greatest Game Show Hosts of All Time.


Here we go again folks. Thought/Specula-jecture: I'd imagine they won't do 50 this time - 25 Maybe?

I'm pretty sure you've misread that. It sounds like that it's highlighting a currently scheduled item that is intended to cater to classics fans.

--Jamie
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 15, 2006, 10:12:37 PM
* Monthly specials beginning this October which focus on classic game show icons. Upcoming topics include Match Game, a biography of Chuck Barris, and a countdown of the Greatest Game Show Hosts of All Time.

Hell, I could be misinterpreting that - wouldn't be the first time I was wrong OR right - but I interpret that to mean a countdown ala the 50 Greatest Game Shows thing.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 15, 2006, 10:14:40 PM
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* Monthly specials beginning this October which focus on classic game show icons. Upcoming topics include Match Game, a biography of Chuck Barris, and a countdown of the Greatest Game Show Hosts of All Time.

Hell, I could be - wouldn't be the first time - but I interpret that to mean a countdown ala the 50 Greatest Game Shows thing.

Oof, mea maxima culpa.
*I* was the one who misread your post; my brain somehow eliminated the word "hosts" as I read it.

--Jamie

--Jamie
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Post by: FeudDude on August 16, 2006, 12:06:52 AM
I'm going to make an early prediction that Chuck Woolery will be #1.  He's pretty much been GSN's unofficial mascot ever since Lingo premiered.
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Post by: --Richard on August 16, 2006, 07:50:45 PM
[quote name=\'FeudDude\' post=\'127580\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 12:06 AM\']
I'm going to make an early prediction that Chuck Woolery will be #1.  He's pretty much been GSN's unofficial mascot ever since Lingo premiered.
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That is a good guess. They might have Peter Tomarken there, considering he hosted "Decades" for GSN and worked with them for a number of years, or the fact he hosted the cult classic PYL. Bob Barker might seem the obvious. Chuck Woolery is one canidate because of the reasons you mentioned.

So my canidates are
Peter Tomarken
Bob Barker
Chuck Woolery
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Post by: cweaver on August 21, 2006, 12:40:02 AM
[quote name=\'FeudDude\' post=\'127535\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 08:48 PM\']
And for those of you that still have your doubts, this release also confirms that GSN will air an ABC Password episode.
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There will be a second Password aired during that hour, presumably from CBS.  Anyone have any idea which one?
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 21, 2006, 02:09:09 AM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'127705\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 06:50 PM\']
That is a good guess. They might have Peter Tomarken there, considering he hosted "Decades" for GSN and worked with them for a number of years[/quote]
If that's your criteria, I suppose we should expect to see Marianne Curan too, huh?
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or the fact he hosted the cult classic PYL.
Much better reasoning.

I'm not a big fan of his...but I would be dissapointed if Bill Cullen doesn't make the list.
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 21, 2006, 02:16:11 AM
If Cullen doesn't make Top 3, then we can start the coup.
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Post by: --Richard on August 21, 2006, 03:19:01 AM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'128294\' date=\'Aug 21 2006, 02:16 AM\']
If Cullen doesn't make Top 3, then we can start the coup.
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Yeah, I would say it'd get pretty ugly, equal to what could happen if TPiR isn't #1 on this 50 "Greatest" Game Shows countdown.
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Post by: tvmitch on August 21, 2006, 10:00:33 AM
I would like to see a series of "X Greatest Moments From..." akin to the "5 Reasons You Can't Blame So-and-So" series, or anything currently on VH-1 right now. That might be fun. "10 Greatest Moments from Feud," and so on. I don't know who would give the color commentary, or how it would be put together, but I think people would watch.

/soapbox
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Post by: clemon79 on August 21, 2006, 10:26:06 AM
[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'128302\' date=\'Aug 21 2006, 07:00 AM\']
"10 Greatest Moments from Feud," and so on. I don't know who would give the color commentary, or how it would be put together, but I think people would watch.
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I dunno. Do we really need to see "Turkey" and "September" again?
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Post by: mmb5 on August 21, 2006, 12:48:09 PM
I would like to see half-hour shows based on old parlor games, board games or trivia contests but with new twists.  These twists could include having modestly famous people as teammates and could involve some nominal sum of money or a prize (such as a car or trip) for the winning players or teams.  


--Mike
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Post by: jalman on August 21, 2006, 01:14:35 PM
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'128315\' date=\'Aug 21 2006, 12:48 PM\']
I would like to see half-hour shows based on old parlor games, board games or trivia contests but with new twists.  These twists could include having modestly famous people as teammates and could involve some nominal sum of money or a prize (such as a car or trip) for the winning players or teams.  
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On the hip & cool Network for Games?

NEVER~!*cough*
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 21, 2006, 03:31:10 PM
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'128315\' date=\'Aug 21 2006, 12:48 PM\']
I would like to see half-hour shows based on old parlor games, board games or trivia contests but with new twists.  These twists could include having modestly famous people as teammates and could involve some nominal sum of money or a prize (such as a car or trip) for the winning players or teams.  


--Mike
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I guess they could run it by the focus groups, but the idea is a little too outside the box.
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Post by: --Richard on August 21, 2006, 09:23:20 PM
Well...that's it.

The last episode of BtC was aired last night...and it looks like it won't be back anytime soon.

And WML?'s hiatus is now underway. The next episode is Sunday Night 10/1(Monday Morning 10/2) at 3am ET.

But...Get the Message and What's Going On? are the rare B&W series being shown Sunday Night 8/27(Monday Morning 8/28) at 3am ET. I'm looking forward to the rare series...the ABC PW episode...and of course WML?'s return to the schedule in the times ahead for B&W Overnight...even though it is down to just weekly.