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Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 09, 2006, 06:41:18 PM
As the 50 GSN shows have all but been determined (see GSN thread), but before we find out how the ones at the top of their list rank, I thought it might be fun to see if we can do any better.  So here's how we're going to do it:

 - Come up with your own list of the 50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time.  If you can't or won't come up with fifty, do as many as you can, but have at least 25.

- Rank them in order, starting with number ONE.  No wishy-washy ties.  It's your opinion.  Have one.

- E-MAIL your list to me at ottinger@acd.net, with the header "GSF 50 Greatest".  Do NOT post your list to the Forum (yet).  Posted lists will be deleted, and only lists that have been e-mailed to me will be counted.  After the results are announced, you can post your own list to show how it compared.

- Identify yourself somewhere in your e-mail by your Forum user name so I know who you are.  I will keep all lists confidential.  One list per member, please.  If I see you trying to stuff the ballot box, none of your votes will count.

- Scoring will be done the way the college polls work, with 50 points for first place, 49 for second and so on all the way down to one point for #50.  Just as with the college polls, the total points and the total number of #1 votes will be announced.

 - For the purposes of this list, all versions of a given show should be considered together.  In other words, do not give Cullen's TPIR one spot on your list and Barker's TPIR another.  Consider TPIR as a whole.  Likewise for any show that has had multiple versions and remakes, including all the various Passwords.  I know this could be controversial, but that's just how it's going to be.  In the case of duplications on your list, accidental or deliberate, the higher ranking will count, the lower one will be thrown out and everything else on your list will move up one.

You decide what criteria to use to pick your 50 Greatest, including your own decision as to what is or is not a game show.  Remember, though, that we're looking for the 50 greatest.  Not the 50 that you remember from your childhood, and not the 50 that you think will make you look smart because no one else will think of them.  You have sixty years of programming to choose from, and we consider this forum to be a pretty well-educated bunch when it comes to game shows.  Prove it.

I'm hoping to get at least a hundred responses, which ought to be a decent cross-section of internet game show fandom, but I wouldn't mind getting twice that many or more.  Balloting will end on Monday, August 28 so that I can have time to compile the results and announce them when GSN gets to their #1 choice on Thursday, August 31st.

Get to work!
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 09, 2006, 06:54:30 PM
Just to let you guys know, about ten minutes in and I've already received my first entry.  Way to go!
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: HairMetalLives on August 09, 2006, 08:19:09 PM
Question (potentially dumb question):

What about the two Double Dares (Trebeck & Summers/Harris)? Are they lumped together or separately?
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: sshuffield70 on August 09, 2006, 08:21:35 PM
[quote name=\'HairMetalLives\' post=\'126776\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 07:19 PM\']
Question (potentially dumb question):

What about the two Double Dares (Trebeck & Summers/Harris)? Are they lumped together or separately?
[/quote]

Since the two would be completely unrelated, I would think separate entries would be permitted by identifying host or network, Matt?
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: clemon79 on August 09, 2006, 08:24:45 PM
[quote name=\'HairMetalLives\' post=\'126776\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 05:19 PM\']
What about the two Double Dares (Trebeck & Summers/Harris)? Are they lumped together or separately?
[/quote]
They are not "versions of a given show." They are completely different shows that happen to share the same name. Count 'em separately.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: HairMetalLives on August 09, 2006, 08:27:22 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126778\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 05:24 PM\']They are not "versions of a given show." They are completely different shows that happen to share the same name. Count 'em separately.[/quote]

That's what I thought, just making sure. Thanks, Mr. Lemon.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 09, 2006, 08:28:31 PM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'126777\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 08:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'HairMetalLives\' post=\'126776\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 07:19 PM\']
Question (potentially dumb question):

What about the two Double Dares (Trebeck & Summers/Harris)? Are they lumped together or separately?
[/quote]

Since the two would be completely unrelated, I would think separate entries would be permitted by identifying host or network, Matt?
[/quote]
Yes, those are two different shows.  Frankly, if you don't specify, I'm going to assume you're talking about the kids' game.  Please specify if you mean the Trebek quiz.  

Also, the three Break the Bank formats were unique.  Based on what I know of the group, unless you specify I'm going to assume you're referring to the 70s celebrity game with the moneybags.

I knew this was going to get tricky...
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Monarx on August 09, 2006, 09:03:26 PM
Formats from all around the world are eligible, right?
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 09, 2006, 09:37:31 PM
[quote name=\'Monarx\' post=\'126790\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 09:03 PM\']
Formats from all around the world are eligible, right?[/quote]
I wasn't specific about that, but most everybody so far has limited themselves to American game shows, which was after all the scope of the GSN list.  I would suggest you stick to the good old USA.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 10, 2006, 01:47:25 AM
Some interesting facts from the first day of submissions.  No specifics, because I don't want to influence the voting.

In the fourteen submissions received so far, a total of eight different shows have received at least one first-place vote.

Eleven shows appear on every single ballot.  One of those eleven shows that every single person so far has mentioned will not appear on GSN's list.  It's currently 21st on ours.

Five shows on the GSN list have yet to receive a single vote from our fourteen submissions so far.

We're currently trackng 143 shows that have been mentioned so far, including dozens that only appeared on one ballot.

Keep 'em coming!
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Robert Hutchinson on August 10, 2006, 02:15:23 AM
I couldn't even begin to compile a list for this project, but I do look forward to seeing the results.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 10, 2006, 04:12:39 AM
I'm anxious to see what this list turns out to be.  Just one little question:

Is it possible to put the # of 1st place votes besides each show that received them in parenthesis just like I see them on college polls?  I wouldn't be surprised to see a seperate columm for point totals just like those polls.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: WhammyPower on August 10, 2006, 08:35:54 AM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'126864\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 01:15 AM\'] I couldn't even begin to compile a list for this project, but I do look forward to seeing the results. [/quote]
I'm on your boat.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Don Howard on August 10, 2006, 11:19:33 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'126860\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 01:47 AM\']
Eleven shows appear on every single ballot.  One of those eleven shows that every single person so far has mentioned will not appear on GSN's list.  It's currently 21st on ours.
[/quote]
Quizbusters?
This brings on a question. Would It's Academic, Academic Challenge, etc. be eligible?
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Monarx on August 10, 2006, 07:28:11 PM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'126870\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 04:12 AM\']
Is it possible to put the # of 1st place votes besides each show that received them in parenthesis just like I see them on college polls?  I wouldn't be surprised to see a seperate columm for point totals just like those polls.
[/quote]


[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'126768\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 06:41 PM\']- Scoring will be done the way the college polls work, with 50 points for first place, 49 for second and so on all the way down to one point for #50.  Just as with the college polls, the total points and the total number of #1 votes will be announced.[/quote]

I just sent my list, by the way.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Peter Sarrett on August 10, 2006, 07:51:26 PM
D'oh!  Already included The Crystal Maze on my list.  Feel free to eliminate it and slide everything else up one, Matt.

Also, in a blatant attempt to influence the voting, I'd like to suggest that Battle of the Network Stars qualifies as a game show.  It certainly makes my top 50.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 11, 2006, 02:24:37 AM
Lemme ask this...what about shows that are similar in structure, but not an all and out revival (i.e. He Said She Said/Tattlestales; Child's Play/Small Talk, The Who What or Where Game/Challengers)...or are those all separate?
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: TLEberle on August 11, 2006, 03:38:01 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127026\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 11:24 PM\']Lemme ask this...what about shows that are similar in structure, but not an all and out revival (i.e. ...The Who What or Where Game/Challengers)...or are those all separate?[/quote]Ron Greenberg would like to have a word with you, sir... :) Everything I've read about 3W's/Challengers was that the latter was indeed a revival of the former. Apparently the American viewing public is not smart enough to grasp the concept of bet times odds.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: DrBear on August 11, 2006, 07:28:08 AM
I dunno - I was 10 at the time and was able to figure it out OK...of course considering the state of American intelligence today...we may have people watching who can't count to 10, even with their fingers in front of them.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: ChrisLambert! on August 11, 2006, 07:56:24 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'126768\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 06:41 PM\']

You decide what criteria to use to pick your 50 Greatest, including your own decision as to what is or is not a game show.  
[/quote]

I WAS going to include reality competitions, until I realized they chewed up five slots that I *really* wanted to use for other game shows, so I removed them. (I would've had TAR at #5 and The Mole in the top 15.)

And I would've counted The Dating Game, but it wouldn't have made my top 50 anyway.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 11, 2006, 10:06:07 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127026\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 02:24 AM\']
Lemme ask this...what about shows that are similar in structure, but not an all and out revival (i.e. He Said She Said/Tattlestales; Child's Play/Small Talk, The Who What or Where Game/Challengers)...or are those all separate?[/quote]
Two of your three examples are all-out revivals.  The tricky one is WWW/Challengers because each show has received votes and a couple of people included both shows on their list.  I've decided to count them as the same show, which seems to be the fairest thing to do, and in line with the producer's intent.  (I know Ronnie Greenberg.  Ronnie Greenberg is a friend of mine.  And you, sir, are no Ronnie Greenberg.)

If anybody picks He said/She Said (out of 1,290 selections so far, no one has) I'll add it to Tattletales.  As for Small Talk (which actually did get a vote), it's just not the same show as Child's Play.  Once you start getting into similar themes, then you quickly head down a slippery slope that ends with every show that has returning champions and/or buzzers being lumped in with Winner Take All.

I think I'm on pretty solid footing here.  Rather than spending time coming up with the rare exceptions, I hope people are using that brainpower to come up with their lists.  Twenty-six entries so far, and the results are very interesting.  It's obvious now that I'll want to show you more than the Top 50 when this is over.  Right now, I'm thinking anything with more than 50 votes (which means at least two people had to vote for it) will make the final cut.  Currently, that's 77 shows, but naturally that'll grow as more votes come in.

Remember, e-mail your list of the 50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time to ottinger@acd.net
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Don Howard on August 11, 2006, 10:12:51 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127042\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 10:06 AM\']
The tricky one is WWW/Challengers because each show has received votes and a couple of people included both shows on their list. [/quote]
Oops. And I'm one of them. Well, I'm still not voting for Just Men!
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: uncamark on August 11, 2006, 11:15:33 AM
And "Child's Play" and "Small Talk" were different packagers--even if both packagers are now under the same corporate umbrella.

(And the original British version of "Small Talk" was developed and telecast before Pearson acquired All-American, who acquired MGP.)
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: tvwxman on August 11, 2006, 11:29:10 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127042\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 10:06 AM\']
Two of your three examples are all-out revivals.  The tricky one is WWW/Challengers because each show has received votes and a couple of people included both shows on their list.  I've decided to count them as the same show, which seems to be the fairest thing to do, and in line with the producer's intent.  (I know Ronnie Greenberg.  Ronnie Greenberg is a friend of mine.  And you, sir, are no Ronnie Greenberg.)

If anybody picks He said/She Said (out of 1,290 selections so far, no one has) I'll add it to Tattletales.  As for Small Talk (which actually did get a vote), it's just not the same show as Child's Play.  Once you start getting into similar themes, then you quickly head down a slippery slope that ends with every show that has returning champions and/or buzzers being lumped in with Winner Take All.
[/quote]

Hey, it's your list, but i'm not sure i agree with lumping hs/ss with tattletales, and especially WWW with challengers...yes, they were revivals, but there were enough rule differences that made them quite different.... I liked WWW a LOT more than Challengers....

but hey, again, it's your list, and your rules....

btw, has there actually been a vote for "Small Talk"? geez.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 11, 2006, 12:21:02 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'127056\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 11:29 AM\']Hey, it's your list, but i'm not sure i agree with lumping hs/ss with tattletales, and especially WWW with challengers...yes, they were revivals, but there were enough rule differences that made them quite different.... I liked WWW a LOT more than Challengers....[/quote]
No doubt, and I completely get that.  But look how different The Price Is Right versions are from each other, or the Match Games.  Experts like us could easily discuss the differences in Art's and Alex's Jeopardy.  Lines have to be drawn, and I feel I'm being consistant this way.

Make no mistake, lumping WWW and Challengers together was definitely the toughest decision to make, even more than the decision to lump Password together with its "puzzle" variants.  As I said before, there's no issue with HS-SS/Tattletales, because no one has chosen the former.

And...um...yeah, one guy picked Small Talk.  Not nearly the weirdest choice, BTW.  When you're picking fifty, the last ten or so are going to be all over the board.  Nearly 200 shows have been mentioned by somebody, and about fifty of those have been solo selections.  So far.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: MSTieScott on August 11, 2006, 04:20:36 PM
Heck, I'm having trouble thinking of 50 game shows that I feel deserve to be called the greatest game shows, let alone ranking them. I'm just glad that we'll be getting the total group's rankings, 'cause after number 20 or so, I think it gets really subjective.

Now, should I place "Malcolm" in the top five or just the top ten?

--
Scott Robinson
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 12, 2006, 12:15:51 PM
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'127081\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 04:20 PM\']
Heck, I'm having trouble thinking of 50 game shows that I feel deserve to be called the greatest game shows, let alone ranking them. I'm just glad that we'll be getting the total group's rankings, 'cause after number 20 or so, I think it gets really subjective.[/quote]
Which, trust me, is the fun.

Still, I'd say that on every decent list of 50, everybody's got 35 to 40 of the same shows.  Sure, the placements are going to be wildly subjective from list to list. The idea is that 100 or more subjective lists will create an objective consensus of Forum opinion.

Today's fun fact:  With thirty entries so far, the number two show on the current list is the only show in the top ten to have no first place votes.  What could be big enough to be number two overall, but not be anyone's absolute favorite?
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: clemon79 on August 12, 2006, 02:06:27 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127155\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 09:15 AM\']
Today's fun fact:  With thirty entries so far, the number two show on the current list is the only show in the top ten to have no first place votes.  What could be big enough to be number two overall, but not be anyone's absolute favorite?
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure I know, but I'm also pretty sure Matt doesn't want it discussed aloud in case it taints future entries.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: cweaver on August 12, 2006, 02:16:52 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127168\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 01:06 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127155\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 09:15 AM\']
Today's fun fact:  With thirty entries so far, the number two show on the current list is the only show in the top ten to have no first place votes.  What could be big enough to be number two overall, but not be anyone's absolute favorite?
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure I know, but I'm also pretty sure Matt doesn't want it discussed aloud in case it taints future entries.
[/quote]

I took another look at my own list and it jumped right out at me.  Or at least the one I think.  It's pretty much a classic, too.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: DrBear on August 14, 2006, 07:29:17 AM
Just to bump this up and remind people...

I did my list over the weekend, and lemme tell ya it wasn't easy - the first few were, and maybe the last five (which in my case consisted of shows that likely were going to get on but that I really dislike) but the middle was tough - and how do you decide whether, say, Split Second is better than Who, What or Where Game other than by personal preference, and how many spots do you put between them?

Anyway, it's there. And I look forward to the howling when the final list is published.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: TimK2003 on August 14, 2006, 09:03:21 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'127056\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 10:29 AM\']
Hey, it's your list, but i'm not sure i agree with lumping hs/ss with tattletales, and especially WWW with challengers...yes, they were revivals, but there were enough rule differences that made them quite different.... I liked WWW a LOT more than Challengers....
[/quote]

I concur with the lumping together of HS/SS and TT as a no-no.  The majority of HS/SS players were civilians, while TT was all celebs.  

that said, I almost want to propose separation of some "Celebrity _________" shows from their original civilian versions.  

Cases in point, "Celebrity Millionaire" pretty much was unlimited "ask-the audience" questions up to the $32K level -- the audience being the rest of the celebs in the fastest finger seats.   And in Celebrity J!, you could bet and lose big in the main game finishing in the hole, yet still getting money to play with in Final J!".

 

But again, it's your list.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 14, 2006, 09:17:07 PM
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'127424\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 09:03 PM\']
I concur with the lumping together of HS/SS and TT as a no-no.  The majority of HS/SS players were civilians, while TT was all celebs.  [/quote]
This, to the best of my knowledge, is not true.

[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'127424\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 09:03 PM\']
that said, I almost want to propose separation of some "Celebrity _________" shows from their original civilian versions.  [/quote]
There wouldn't be much point to that.  I believe I'm safe in saying that most people consider the 'celebrity' versions of regular-contestant shows to be vastly inferior to the originals.  Since Celebrity Jeopardy or Celebrity Hot Potato would have no chance of making the Top 50 (or probably even the Top 100), separating them just adds needless confusion.

In general, if you like a game, lumping it together with its revivals and remakes and, yes, celebrity versions is only going to help your cause.  If you feel that a show was diminished by such moves, you should adjust your personal list accodingly.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: TimK2003 on August 14, 2006, 09:26:11 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127425\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 08:17 PM\']
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'127424\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 09:03 PM\']
I concur with the lumping together of HS/SS and TT as a no-no.  The majority of HS/SS players were civilians, while TT was all celebs.  [/quote]
This, to the best of my knowledge, is not true.
[/quote]

Mea Culpa on the HS/SS if that is the case.  I was basing my comparison of the one B&W ep on the trading circuit where the only celebs on the show were M/M Gene Rayburn -- the rest were civilians.

I do remember hearing that the show switched to all celebs somewhere in the run, but I still thought the majority of the eps were like the Rayburn ep. -- a civilian/celebrity mix.

BTW Matt, keep an eye out for Emilie Voss (very easy on the eyes).  She's leaving our station and heading up to Lansing this week to work at the NBC affiliate.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: rialtus on August 15, 2006, 12:45:26 AM
I'm just waiting for someone to ask if The Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour would be considered a potential double duplication on the list...  *smirk*
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 15, 2006, 07:53:04 AM
[quote name=\'rialtus\' post=\'127447\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 12:45 AM\']
I'm just waiting for someone to ask if The Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour would be considered a potential double duplication on the list...  *smirk*
[/quote]


Would anyone even admit to considering it?
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 15, 2006, 07:58:42 AM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127463\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 06:53 AM\']
Would anyone even admit to considering it?
[/quote]
Better than Studs, now isn't it?
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: cweaver on August 15, 2006, 08:40:51 AM
[quote name=\'rialtus\' post=\'127447\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 11:45 PM\']
I'm just waiting for someone to ask if The Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour would be considered a potential double duplication on the list...  *smirk*
[/quote]

Of course anyone who mentioned both The Hollywood Squares and Match Game would have this one covered anyway I think.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: ITSBRY on August 15, 2006, 10:17:12 AM
[quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'127317\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 07:29 AM\']
Just to bump this up and remind people...

I did my list over the weekend, and lemme tell ya it wasn't easy -
[/quote]

You ain't kiddin! After eliminating versions and revivals, just coming up with 50 different shows that I've actually SEEN was a challenge. I didn't feel it was fair to include something that I had no opinion whatsoever on.

I was able to come up with 51 "greatest" (one was 'iffy', so I added an extra just in case). I did have to include one show that I personally didn't think deserved a spot to reach 50 though.

Thank goodness for Page O' Clips and the wonderful folks who've let me take a look at some of the gems in their personal collections...otherwise, my list would have been very small. ;)
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: ITSBRY on August 15, 2006, 10:37:13 AM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127463\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 07:53 AM\']
[quote name=\'rialtus\' post=\'127447\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 12:45 AM\']
I'm just waiting for someone to ask if The Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour would be considered a potential double duplication on the list...  *smirk*
[/quote]

Would anyone even admit to considering it?
[/quote]
I'll admit to it. Having seen 4 or 5 episodes now, I am totally fascinated with this show. Yes, there were some things about it that didn't work, but it wasn't horribly broken. The idea was a good one...it's just the execution that was a bit 'off'.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: clemon79 on August 15, 2006, 11:14:24 AM
[quote name=\'ITSBRY\' post=\'127475\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 07:37 AM\']
I'll admit to it. Having seen 4 or 5 episodes now, I am totally fascinated with this show.
[/quote]
Considering you were the one who took me to task (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=5718&view=findpost&p=64118\") when I suggested watching more than one episode before passing judgement, I find this statement terribly amusing.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Don Howard on August 15, 2006, 11:20:54 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127425\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 09:17 PM\']
There wouldn't be much point to that.  I believe I'm safe in saying that most people consider the 'celebrity' versions of regular-contestant shows to be vastly inferior to the originals.[/quote]
For the record, my vote for Bullseye was not for Celebrity Bullseye.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 15, 2006, 11:52:42 AM
Would the votes for "Snap Judgment" be rolled into "Password" as the shows had the same format for a portion of SJ's run, or....

I know. I'm not helping.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: uncamark on August 15, 2006, 11:57:51 AM
[quote name=\'ITSBRY\' post=\'127475\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 09:37 AM\']
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127463\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 07:53 AM\']
[quote name=\'rialtus\' post=\'127447\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 12:45 AM\']
I'm just waiting for someone to ask if The Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour would be considered a potential double duplication on the list...  *smirk*
[/quote]

Would anyone even admit to considering it?
[/quote]
I'll admit to it. Having seen 4 or 5 episodes now, I am totally fascinated with this show. Yes, there were some things about it that didn't work, but it wasn't horribly broken. The idea was a good one...it's just the execution that was a bit 'off'.
[/quote]

The problem was that it always sounded more like some network exec's idea of a great show than a producer's.  Knowing the fact that the "Squares" format was alien to Goodson and his distaste for what made "Squares" work, I wouldn't have even suggested it to him.  Seems to me that anyone who worked for Goodson like Jake Tauber would've never even bothered (unless it was someone other than Tauber's idea).
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: ITSBRY on August 15, 2006, 12:19:07 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127480\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 11:14 AM\']
Considering you were the one who took me to task (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=5718&view=findpost&p=64118\") when I suggested watching more than one episode before passing judgement, I find this statement terribly amusing.
[/quote]
First of all...what I said above was no different than what I had originally said about this show. In that thread, I did concede that you were right and that perhaps I shouldn't make assumptions based on one show.

I have seen more episodes since and I still contend that Bauman was part of the "what didn't work". Criticisms of Bauman aside, I have been fascinated by the show since the first episode I saw. After seeing more, I still feel the same way. Simply put, I feel like the show could have been much better with a great host on the HS end.

Second...after re-reading that old post, I'm embarassed at the tone in my response to you. I did over-react and I'm sorry for being so rude. Musta been a bad day. ;)
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: SRIV94 on August 15, 2006, 12:23:31 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'127486\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 10:52 AM\']
Would the votes for "Snap Judgment" be rolled into "Password" as the shows had the same format for a portion of SJ's run, or....

I know. I'm not helping.
[/quote]
Only if we can roll votes for $1.98 into GONG.  :-D

/No, $1.98 didn't make my list.  Nor should it have.

Doug
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 15, 2006, 05:09:36 PM
[quote name=\'rialtus\' post=\'127447\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 12:45 AM\']I'm just waiting for someone to ask if The Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour would be considered a potential double duplication on the list... [/quote]
If anyone included the show (two or three have, actually) I gave it its own place in line, though it stands little chance of making the top 100.  In every case, not surprisingly, each of the two individual shows had been ranked higher.
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'127482\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 11:20 AM\']For the record, my vote for Bullseye was not for Celebrity Bullseye.[/quote]
Noted.

We're up to fifty entries.  Looking for at least fifty more!
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: The Ol' Guy on August 15, 2006, 06:12:32 PM
At the risk of wrath, put me in the camp that wishes to separate He Said/She Said from Tattletales. And yes, they were celebrity couples - such as could be snagged in the New York area. The only one I remember with any certainty was author and former Jack Paar writer Jack Douglas and his Japanese wife Reiko, as I was (am) a fan of his books. In one sense, HS/SS was keeping with G-T's policy of doing every variation of word association game possible back then. Like the pilot "It Had To Be You", you told stories about yourself based on key words- which Tattletales did at first, until they got into opinion/agree with questions. Whatever you decide is fine, Sir Matt, if it avoids a headache. Just as long as you don't lump Win, Lose or Draw and The Rebus Game together.... ;-)
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 15, 2006, 06:45:17 PM
[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' post=\'127523\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 06:12 PM\']
At the risk of wrath, put me in the camp that wishes to separate He Said/She Said from Tattletales. [/quote]
And at the risk of seeming intractable, I just don't see this.  The latter was designed and conceived as a remake of the former, back in the G-T remake-happy early seventies.  The rules changed - eventually -  but not nearly so radically, one could argue, as in the remakes of TPIR and Match Game.  Tattletales could just as easily (though awkwardly) have been called "The All-New He Said/She Said", in which case I doubt we'd even be having this discussion.  Certainly, I understand having a preference for one version over another (see: Reaction, Chain) but for the purposes of our list, I can't see calling them two different games.

Besides, combining the two only serves to help both versions.  He Said/She Said by itself would never make the Top 50.


[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' post=\'127523\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 06:12 PM\']
Whatever you decide is fine, Sir Matt, if it avoids a headache. Just as long as you don't lump Win, Lose or Draw and The Rebus Game together.... ;-)[/quote]
Oohh...now I gotta go refigure everything.  Thanks a bunch.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Ian Wallis on August 15, 2006, 10:24:16 PM
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Just as long as you don't lump Win, Lose or Draw and The Rebus Game together.... ;-)

What about Win, Lose or Draw and Pictionary?  ;-)
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 15, 2006, 11:03:16 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127464\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 07:58 AM\']
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127463\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 06:53 AM\']
Would anyone even admit to considering it?
[/quote]
Better than Studs, now isn't it?
[/quote]


Can't say I can honestly say I never saw Studs.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: clemon79 on August 15, 2006, 11:22:20 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127558\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 08:03 PM\']
Can't say I can honestly say I never saw Studs.
[/quote]
Count your blessings, sir.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Robert Hutchinson on August 16, 2006, 01:46:09 AM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127558\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 11:03 PM\']Can't say I can honestly say I never saw Studs.[/quote]
Lessee . . . carry the two . . .

My sympathies, sir.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: uncamark on August 16, 2006, 12:02:58 PM
Don't tell me now we'll get into an argument over whether the kiddie "Pictionary" and the Alan Thicke "Pictionary" should be considered separate shows because Thicke didn't have the pro wrestler or a sloppy end game.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: DrBear on August 16, 2006, 01:26:47 PM
And don't get me started on "Shenanigans" and "Video Village Jr."
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: rialtus on August 16, 2006, 02:02:13 PM
[quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'127650\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 12:26 PM\']And don't get me started on "Shenanigans" and "Video Village Jr."[/quote]You had to go and call "Shenanigans", eh?  ;)
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Don Howard on August 16, 2006, 06:28:21 PM
Should my vote for Wheel Of Fortune have specified whether or not I meant the Todd Russell version?

P.S.: Don't banishash me. I'm too cute.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: tvwxman on August 16, 2006, 06:57:10 PM
I'm in the process of making my list, and I've coupled "Double Dare" and "Card Sharks" because they have the same theme song. Everyone else has done this, right?

Right?
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: cweaver on August 16, 2006, 07:10:27 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'127691\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 05:57 PM\']
I'm in the process of making my list, and I've coupled "Double Dare" and "Card Sharks" because they have the same theme song. Everyone else has done this, right?

Right?
[/quote]

Yeah and I counted Family Feud and The Price is Right as the same show because I heard the Feud theme once while Janice was showing off a car.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 16, 2006, 07:11:05 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'127688\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 06:28 PM\']P.S.: Don't banishash me. I'm too cute.[/quote]
Adorable.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: TimK2003 on August 16, 2006, 07:27:38 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'127693\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 06:10 PM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'127691\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 05:57 PM\']
I'm in the process of making my list, and I've coupled "Double Dare" and "Card Sharks" because they have the same theme song. Everyone else has done this, right?

Right?
[/quote]

Yeah and I counted Family Feud and The Price is Right as the same show because I heard the Feud theme once while Janice was showing off a car.
[/quote]

That would also mean a fusing of 2 Bob Stewart games into one "Blankety Blank/Double Talk Hour", right, Matt?   ;-P

And don't you dare lump Wheel 2000 votes into the Wheel Of Fortune popular vote!  I'll take Rolf over Cyber-Lucy...On second thought, it might be better to Rolf *on* Cyber-Lucy!
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: WhammyPower on August 16, 2006, 07:55:22 PM
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'127698\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 06:27 PM\']And don't you dare lump Wheel 2000 votes into the Wheel Of Fortune popular vote!  I'll take Rolf over Cyber-Lucy...On second thought, it might be better to Rolf *on* Cyber-Lucy! [/quote]
Don't lump Jep! with Jeopardy!, either.  I've seen enough slop this summer on Big Brother.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Ian Wallis on August 16, 2006, 11:11:12 PM
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Yeah and I counted Family Feud and The Price is Right as the same show because I heard the Feud theme once while Janice was showing off a car.

Just once...it was a pretty frequent thing there for a while.  Maybe they should be counted as the same show  :)
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: The Ol' Guy on August 17, 2006, 09:20:31 AM
Right on, Dr. Bear! In fact, I hope they don't lump together the kids' version, Shenanigans with the grown-up couples version, He Nanigans! She Nanigans!"

Okay, Matt...I'm done causing trouble...
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: comicus on August 19, 2006, 01:50:55 AM
I did mine in 20 minutes.  And it's awesome.  Dunno why so many people are saying they can't pull this off.  

I actually hope Matt posts the entire list, not just the Top 50.

"Let's Make A Deal" and "Big Deal!" with Mark DeCarlo... combine?  *ducks*
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 19, 2006, 02:24:14 AM
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'128003\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 12:50 AM\']
I did mine in 20 minutes.  And it's awesome.  Dunno why so many people are saying they can't pull this off.  
[/quote]
So, Matt...what's the official count up to?
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: JasonA1 on August 19, 2006, 02:27:32 AM
I have to second Justin's opinion. I've done mine long ago, but for any stragglers reading who haven't done theirs - it's easier than you think and actually a lot of fun. Plus, you can only help make OUR list that much better by having one more entry.

-Jason
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: cweaver on August 19, 2006, 04:17:33 AM
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'128003\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 12:50 AM\']
I did mine in 20 minutes.  And it's awesome.  Dunno why so many people are saying they can't pull this off.  
[/quote]

Did mine in 20 minutes too.  The hardest part was making sure I didn't forget any particular favorites, and in fact the last one I added was an underrated, short-lived classic that I would've hated myself for leaving off.  I had to re-number when I added it.  What's interesting is, Matt indicated I wasn't the first to mention that one.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: DrBear on August 19, 2006, 08:38:16 AM
Considering the varied interests on this group, I think the list of games that AREN'T on somebody's list would be pretty short.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 19, 2006, 10:24:21 AM
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'128003\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 01:50 AM\']
I did mine in 20 minutes.  And it's awesome.  Dunno why so many people are saying they can't pull this off.  [/quote]
There are actually lots of reasons why this can be tricky.  If you're trying to do it without checking other sources for help, you might leave out a big one (as several people have).  Many people take the 'ranking' part very seriously and don't feel comfortable saying that one show is definitely better than another show, and then doing that fifty times.
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'128003\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 01:50 AM\']I actually hope Matt posts the entire list, not just the Top 50.[/quote]
I will definitely post more than fifty, plus I'll make the entire database available (with people's names removed) to anybody who wants it.  I'm finding the top 100 interesting, but after that you start getting into a lot of shows that only one person selected, so their ranking becomes subjective.

[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128005\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 02:24 AM\']So, Matt...what's the official count up to?[/quote]
About sixty, I think, and I know a lot more of you are still working on yours, or haven't gotten to it but plan to.  I think we'll easily have a hundred before we're done, though my original dream of 200 may not be realistic after all.
[quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'128015\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 08:38 AM\']
Considering the varied interests on this group, I think the list of games that AREN'T on somebody's list would be pretty short.[/quote]
I think that's true.  In total, there have been 205 shows that have shown up on at least one person's list.

What I'm finding so far is that an average complete list has everything in our top twenty, about 35 of our top fifty, ten more that are in the top 100 and then five that few others have come up with, including maybe one or two that nobody else picked.  

Keep 'em coming!  For details about how to submit your list of the 50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time, go back to the first post in this thread.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 19, 2006, 03:09:40 PM
Matt it seems you plan to go to 100 shows on the combined list.

Do any ties seem likely with a 100 or more voters?  

If there are any ties in point totals will you list them as ties?

Or have you devised a tie breaker system?

I know I am making it more complicated.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 19, 2006, 03:44:36 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'128058\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 03:09 PM\']Do any ties seem likely with a 100 or more voters?  
If there are any ties in point totals will you list them as ties?
Or have you devised a tie breaker system?[/quote]
Ties might be likely in the bottom 50 of the 100, but I hope nobody loses sleep over which of the two shows tied at #87 really deserves the higher ranking and which will have to settle for #88.  

Ties will be broken with the nod given to the show that received votes from the most individuals, regardless of ranking.  Ties after that will stay ties.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Robert Hutchinson on August 19, 2006, 04:10:58 PM
In the event of a tie, both shows get to come back next year . . . wait, what were we talking about?

Matt pretty much encapsulated my reasons for not submitting a list. I would have trouble sorting out the top ten, much less deciding whether The All New Not a Real Game Show should be 38th or 39th. And my preferences are skewed--I would probably want to list a bunch of word games, followed by a bunch of quizzes, followed by a bunch of kids' shows (I was in Nickelodeon's target audience when the Double Dare juggernaut came to town).
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: chad1m on August 19, 2006, 04:25:03 PM
Well, I sent in my vote. This was a lot more difficult than I had expected. For anyone who cares, what I did was get a really long list of game shows. Then I deleted all the shows I knew I definitely wasn't going to put on my list, so I had a smaller one to work with. Then I whittled my list down to fifty, and then I ordered them. A lot easier I think than just reaching in the ol' memory bank.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 19, 2006, 04:32:08 PM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'128086\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 04:10 PM\']Matt pretty much encapsulated my reasons for not submitting a list. I would have trouble sorting out the top ten, much less deciding whether The All New Not a Real Game Show should be 38th or 39th. [/quote]
While I respect that reasoning, I'm still urging everybody to do their best and submit something.  Keep in mind, there is no right answer.  Put The All New Not a Real Game Show in the 38 spot, and follow it with The One I Liked More Than Most People But Still Knew Was Crap in 39th.  It'll be OK.  Same with the Top Ten.  You must have a pretty good sense of which ones they should be, just assign them a spot.

I'd hate to miss out on the opinions of an intelligent, thoughtful contributor because he "overthought" the exercise, while at the same time getting entries that clearly didn't have a lot of thought put into them at all.  And believe me, there have been a few of those.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Brandon Brooks on August 19, 2006, 04:36:10 PM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'128086\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 03:10 PM\']
And my preferences are skewed--I would probably want to list a bunch of word games, followed by a bunch of quizzes, followed by a bunch of kids' shows (I was in Nickelodeon's target audience when the Double Dare juggernaut came to town).
[/quote]
You know, I had this exact problem; my preferences are skewed similarly.  I have a fondness for Double Dare, Fun House and Finders Keepers, and all probably weren't the best game shows, but all are on my list.  

However, I would strongly suggest you come up with one anyway.  It was fun figuring out what I liked.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: PYLdude on August 19, 2006, 04:55:49 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'128093\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 04:36 PM\']

You know, I had this exact problem; my preferences are skewed similarly.  I have a fondness for Double Dare, Fun House and Finders Keepers, and all probably weren't the best game shows, but all are on my list.  

[/quote]

Same here, and all three of those shows found their way onto my list.

I have three other kids' shows on my list as well. I do feel that on a list like this, whether you include them near the top (don't recommend it, because there are better shows) or in the middle or towards the end, you should probably try to include at least one show on the list.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: chad1m on August 19, 2006, 05:43:24 PM
I've always had a fondness for kid's shows, but the only two I put in my list were Double Dare and Where in Time/the World is Carmen Sandiego?
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 19, 2006, 05:46:40 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'128098\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 04:55 PM\']I have three other kids' shows on my list as well. I do feel that on a list like this, whether you include them near the top (don't recommend it, because there are better shows) or in the middle or towards the end, you should probably try to include at least one show on the list.[/quote]
In the current Top 100, there are six that would be considered kids shows.  Most are in the bottom half of the list.

With some late-afternoon entries received, we are now tracking 212 different shows.  Forty-nine of the presumed GSN Top 50 have received at least one vote from us, though some haven't gotten much more than one!  Five GSN shows won't even make our Top 100.

Top shows are bunched tightly.  Our current #2 has 2483 total points, #3 has 2481 and #4 has 2475.

Just trying to tease you with some fun facts without giving away too much specific information!
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: clemon79 on August 19, 2006, 05:57:34 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128105\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 02:46 PM\']
With some late-afternoon entries received, we are now tracking 212 different shows.  Forty-nine of the presumed GSN Top 50 have received at least one vote from us, though some haven't gotten much more than one!  Five GSN shows won't even make our Top 100.
[/quote]
Alright, what idiot gave a nod to freakin' Studs?

(I'm gonna assume the singleton is $1.98.)
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: PYLdude on August 19, 2006, 06:02:13 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128107\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 05:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128105\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 02:46 PM\']
With some late-afternoon entries received, we are now tracking 212 different shows.  Forty-nine of the presumed GSN Top 50 have received at least one vote from us, though some haven't gotten much more than one!  Five GSN shows won't even make our Top 100.
[/quote]
Alright, what idiot gave a nod to freakin' Studs?

(I'm gonna assume the singleton is $1.98.)
[/quote]

Don't forget Hoosier Millionaire...
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: cweaver on August 19, 2006, 06:13:03 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127425\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 08:17 PM\']
In general, if you like a game, lumping it together with its revivals and remakes and, yes, celebrity versions is only going to help your cause.  If you feel that a show was diminished by such moves, you should adjust your personal list accodingly.
[/quote]

Here's how I handled that issue:  I took whichever version was the best, or "classic" version, and based the ranking on that.  I felt it would be unfair to penalize it if a later version was poorly executed or if the 2nd version was an innovative improvement over the first.  

Using a fictional example, let's say Whistle or Lose It ran on ABC 1958-61 with Peter Leyden as host, but only a couple of episodes remain.  One is available at Shokus and I bought it but it was okay.  Then it was revived in syndication 1973-79 as The All New Whistle or Lose It with Tom Kennedy as host, and that's the version everyone loves and remembers.  It was rerun on GSN for years and years and built a new generation of fans.  A third version, with the trendier-sounding title Whiss, lasted 30 episodes on VH-1 despite dramatic lighting and a lot of attitude.  It was an unmitigated bomb that even host Dylan Lane won't put on his resume.  But if I put the 1970s version on my list as #4, I'm judging it by its classic, 1970s format, not penalizing it because the Leyden version wasn't inventive enough and the 2003 version was executed poorly.  

But that's just me.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: MikeK on August 19, 2006, 06:39:23 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128107\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 05:57 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128105\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 02:46 PM\']With some late-afternoon entries received, we are now tracking 212 different shows.  Forty-nine of the presumed GSN Top 50 have received at least one vote from us, though some haven't gotten much more than one!  Five GSN shows won't even make our Top 100.
[/quote]
Alright, what idiot gave a nod to freakin' Studs?

(I'm gonna assume the singleton is $1.98.)[/quote]
Oops? :-)  I considered giving $1.98 a vote between 45 and 50, but some deserving shows came to my mind.

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'128108\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 06:02 PM\']Don't forget Hoosier Millionaire...[/quote]
...which didn't make GSN's top 50.  Thanks for playing.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: PYLdude on August 19, 2006, 06:40:47 PM
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'128110\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 06:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'128108\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 06:02 PM\']Don't forget Hoosier Millionaire...[/quote]
...which didn't make GSN's top 50.  Thanks for playing.
[/quote]

Alright, it was a mistake. Wasn't thinking of the GSN top 50.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: sshuffield70 on August 19, 2006, 07:48:53 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'128108\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 05:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128107\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 05:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128105\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 02:46 PM\']
With some late-afternoon entries received, we are now tracking 212 different shows.  Forty-nine of the presumed GSN Top 50 have received at least one vote from us, though some haven't gotten much more than one!  Five GSN shows won't even make our Top 100.
[/quote]
Alright, what idiot gave a nod to freakin' Studs?

(I'm gonna assume the singleton is $1.98.)
[/quote]

Don't forget Hoosier Millionaire...
[/quote]

Don't give a certain poster any ideas.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: SRIV94 on August 19, 2006, 07:53:03 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'128108\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 05:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128107\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 05:57 PM\']
Alright, what idiot gave a nod to freakin' Studs?

(I'm gonna assume the singleton is $1.98.)
[/quote]

Don't forget Hoosier Millionaire...
[/quote]
Dang--I was trying to.  :)

Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on August 19, 2006, 11:25:52 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128091\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 04:32 PM\']You must have a pretty good sense of which ones they should be, just assign them a spot.[/quote]
Well, it's the "just" which I have a problem with. I will agonize over something like that. For hours. And not be happy with my final decision, no matter what it is.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 19, 2006, 11:36:18 PM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'128135\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 11:25 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128091\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 04:32 PM\']You must have a pretty good sense of which ones they should be, just assign them a spot.[/quote]
Well, it's the "just" which I have a problem with. I will agonize over something like that. For hours. And not be happy with my final decision, no matter what it is.[/quote]
Well, in that case you've just stepped into the "Way Too Seriously Zone."  Your name isn't Sophie and this isn't about which child gets to live.  We're just ranking game shows.  By opting out, you're depriving us of what I'm sure would be an excellent list, and allowing the ones that have Whistle or Lose It in the Top Ten to carry that much more weight.  (I never liked the VH-1 remake, because every time they said Whiss! it sounded dirty.)
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: clemon79 on August 19, 2006, 11:44:00 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128139\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 08:36 PM\']
By opting out, you're depriving us of what I'm sure would be an excellent list, and allowing the ones that have Whistle or Lose It in the Top Ten to carry that much more weight.
[/quote]
And that's his choice, right?

I happen to share his sentiments. But I certainly don't think we should be mocked as "taking it too seriously" because of it. If I know that it's my nature to put a lot of time and effort into a list like that, and I don't want to put forth that time and effort, that should be our choice.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 19, 2006, 11:53:10 PM
Hmm.
I'm kinda middle of the road on this.  FWIW, it took about 10 minutes of time on my part, and I came out with a fairly nice list.  Not like we're deciding whether we should put someone in the chair to fry.

They are just game shows, aren't they?

Backpeddling...
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And yet another I don't think will make the overall top 50 mostly on account of many people considering it not to be a game show.
All the more reason people who can make the distinction to submit a list.
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Post by: WilliamPorygon on August 20, 2006, 12:00:06 AM
Though I'm mostly a lurker here, I found this to be a rather interesting project and submitted a list on the first day or two.  I only spent a half-hour on it, but whenever I look at my list I'm still happy with it.  And, I didn't really find it too difficult making decisions such as which of two shows should be #38 and which should be #39; I just picked one and left it at that.

For those who haven't submitted one yet, I'd suggest looking at Matt's out-of-date Game Show Compendium (http://\"http://userdata.acd.net/ottinger/compendium/\") to get a list of shows, and write down all the ones you recognize as not being crap.  (I'm sure there's a few shows on my list I wouldn't have even remembered to consider if I had not done that.)  Then add any recent or other shows you might want to include, and just order them by which ones you personally like the best.  

FWIW, I looked over my list last week and counted 6 shows that wouldn't have surprised me if nobody else had mentioned them.  The highest of those on my list at #20 might be the "underrated classic" Dixon referred to.  Another one of those 6 was already mentioned as having been on someone else's list.  And yet another I don't think will make the overall top 50 mostly on account of many people considering it not to be a game show.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: clemon79 on August 20, 2006, 12:01:00 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128146\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 08:53 PM\']
Hmm.
I'm kinda middle of the road on this.  FWIW, it took about 10 minutes of time on my part, and I came out with a fairly nice list.  Not like we're deciding whether we should put someone in the chair to fry.
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Great, and that's you. All I'm saying is, I know where Robert is coming from. I know it's my nature to put a lot of time in on something like this, and it's not something I can dial back, I couldn't NOT do it if I tried.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 20, 2006, 12:03:47 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128146\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 11:53 PM\']
Not like we're deciding whether we should put someone in the chair to fry.
They are just game shows, aren't they?[/quote]
OK, fine.  If Mark and I are agreeing on a position, then I certainly need to take another look at it.

I certainly meant not to offend.  This is just my baby, and I hate to see my baby be ignored, especially by people I know to be thoughful and intelligent, and whose contributions I know would only be helpful to the overall project.  I truly thought that every regular contributor to the Forum would want to contribute to the list.  Thought it would be fun, and that whether you wanted to spend hours or wanted to dash one off in a few minutes, you'd want your voice to be counted.  That appears to have been a mistake on my part.

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Matt's out-of-date Game Show Compendium
I'm actually thinking of changing the name to that.  Remember, it was pre-Wiki, so these days its usefullness is somewhat reduced.
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Post by: ChrisLambert! on August 20, 2006, 12:26:54 AM
I'm going to submit mine at the last minute, because every time I look at the damn thing I tinker with it. (I've actually started revealing it elsewhere, five at a time, just to force myself to commit to larger and larger parts of it.)
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: WilliamPorygon on August 20, 2006, 12:54:14 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128149\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 12:03 AM\']
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Matt's out-of-date Game Show Compendium
I'm actually thinking of changing the name to that.  Remember, it was pre-Wiki, so these days its usefullness is somewhat reduced.
[/quote]

Heh, I never thought of it like that.  [And really, with Wiki having a game show list page and links on each individual show's page, I can't blame you for not updating it anymore; I couldn't fathom how long you must have spent making and updating that page :) ]
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Post by: clemon79 on August 20, 2006, 01:42:43 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128149\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 09:03 PM\']
I truly thought that every regular contributor to the Forum would want to contribute to the list.  Thought it would be fun, and that whether you wanted to spend hours or wanted to dash one off in a few minutes, you'd want your voice to be counted.  That appears to have been a mistake on my part.
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It's not your fault at all. I know you mean well, and if I COULD just dash off a quickie list, I would. I think you overlooked the fact that some of us (and Chri$ L. appears to be a member of that group too) don't have the kind of personality that can just write down 25 or 50 names and forget about it. Honestly, for me, putting together a proper, genuine list of length-25-or-longer just feels like a project. And I already have a lot of those (none of which are getting done, but still), and tossing another one onto the stack is just not what I want to do right now.

I just don't like feeling like I'm being badgered because I chose not to take on another project.

For a lot of people, I'm sure it was a lot of fun, and I look forward to seeing what comes of it. But making my own list? Doesn't feel like fun.
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Post by: cweaver on August 20, 2006, 02:32:43 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128146\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 10:53 PM\']
Hmm.
I'm kinda middle of the road on this.  FWIW, it took about 10 minutes of time on my part, and I came out with a fairly nice list.  Not like we're deciding whether we should put someone in the chair to fry.

They are just game shows, aren't they?
[/quote]

I used to hate putting together lists like this one.  I constantly get requests on other lists I'm on ("name your five favorite Beatle songs") and it drives me crazy because I know every time I answer it, it will be five different songs.  And sometimes I weigh their "mop top" and "long haired" periods differently.  But then I found peace with that, knowing it's just a mental snapshot in that moment in time.  

If I had to do the list over right now (mine was apparently #14) it would probably be a lot different from the one I already sent in.  It would probably still have most of the same shows (and the top three probably wouldn't change) but otherwise it would be different.  Anyone who might feel that way too, perhaps you should just send it in on the next-to-last day.  You'll feel better about having the extra time to consider it.

Me, I grew up in the pre-VCR, pre-TiVo age when the networks always had game shows competing against each other and I had to choose.  Maybe that's why it wasn't so hard for me.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: cweaver on August 20, 2006, 02:40:30 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128139\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 10:36 PM\']
(I never liked the VH-1 remake, because every time they said Whiss! it sounded dirty.)
[/quote]

Thanks for catching that, Matt, doggone it I always forget the exclamation point when I write Whiss!
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: TonicBH on August 20, 2006, 05:10:24 AM
My reason why I'm not partaking is because of the fact that I cannot THINK of fifty game shows off the top of my head. Of course there's lists, but the trick is for me to avoid using non-american game shows.

And to single out which ones would go the top ten, bottom ten, or somewhere in the middle is frickin' hard. Even though nobody will see my results, I just have a hard time thinking if a show like Wheel of Fortune should be higher than, oh say, Tic Tac Dough.

EDIT: and about 45 minutes later, I come up with a list. not 100% satisfied with it, but it's better than me tinkering with it 100 times and getting it in like, minutes before the deadline.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: cmjb13 on August 20, 2006, 06:52:55 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128149\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 12:03 AM\']
I truly thought that every regular contributor to the Forum would want to contribute to the list.  Thought it would be fun, and that whether you wanted to spend hours or wanted to dash one off in a few minutes, you'd want your voice to be counted.  That appears to have been a mistake on my part.
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I kind of felt the same way when I did the TPIR DVD giveaway. While I didn't expect everyone to participate, I was suprised at how few did. I think it had more to do with the thread not being locked on top of the main page. Once it went to page 2, I don't think many people noticed it.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: DrBear on August 20, 2006, 09:18:18 AM
Well, as I mentioned, the toughest part for me was ranking the shows in the middle (how do you compare "Whistle or Lose It" to "The Holediggers!"). But it took me about an hour, with a little help from searching this board and using the list of game shows at Wikipedia to help jog my mind of some shows that should be in there that weren't coming to mind. So I'd guess I'm in the middle.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 20, 2006, 10:25:44 AM
[quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'128176\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 09:18 AM\'](how do you compare "Whistle or Lose It" to "The Holediggers!")[/quote]
Dammit, I forgot all about Holediggers!  It should be on the list for its 15-minute bonus game alone.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 20, 2006, 11:46:16 AM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'128175\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 05:52 AM\']
I kind of felt the same way when I did the TPIR DVD giveaway. While I didn't expect everyone to participate, I was suprised at how few did. I think it had more to do with the thread not being locked on top of the main page. Once it went to page 2, I don't think many people noticed it.
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Say, out of curiosity...I know I won...mind sharing who else did?
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on August 20, 2006, 11:46:46 AM
Just to hit the high points as they relate to me:

Matt, I completely understand where you're coming from. And making up a list like this *would* be fun--I didn't mean "agonize" in that sense. More like agonizing over which flavor of ice cream to get, or which DVD to buy. But as Chris L. said, I would indeed have to spend hours on it, and I already let too many (good and fun and worthwhile) things like this eat up hours upon hours of my time.

I'm not that big, though, honestly, on "having my voice be counted". I rarely feel that way on any sort of fan project.

(Trivia Q: is Whistle or Lose It the only example of a game show where the old episodes were erased out of pure spite?)
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Post by: MikeK on August 20, 2006, 12:10:48 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128183\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 11:46 AM\']
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'128175\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 05:52 AM\']
I kind of felt the same way when I did the TPIR DVD giveaway. While I didn't expect everyone to participate, I was suprised at how few did. I think it had more to do with the thread not being locked on top of the main page. Once it went to page 2, I don't think many people noticed it.
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Say, out of curiosity...I know I won...mind sharing who else did?
[/quote]
I did as well.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 20, 2006, 12:32:42 PM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'128184\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 11:46 AM\'](Trivia Q: is Whistle or Lose It the only example of a game show where the old episodes were erased out of pure spite?)[/quote]
Big LOL from me!
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Post by: cweaver on August 20, 2006, 12:48:42 PM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'128175\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 05:52 AM\']
I kind of felt the same way when I did the TPIR DVD giveaway. While I didn't expect everyone to participate, I was suprised at how few did. [/quote]

There was a TPiR DVD giveaway???
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Post by: PYLdude on August 20, 2006, 04:01:13 PM
[quote name=\'TonicBH\' post=\'128173\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 05:10 AM\']
...I cannot THINK of fifty game shows off the top of my head. Of course there's lists, but the trick is for me to avoid using non-american game shows.
[/quote]

That's the hardest part, I believe. Just think of 50 game shows, never mind 50 AMERICAN shows, is a lot harder than it looks.

But that said, I have to ask...

1) was the intent just to include American shows?

2) if that's the case, would we see a smaller sub-list as to where they were ranked if people did vote for them (which I'm assuming some did)?
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Post by: clemon79 on August 20, 2006, 04:17:33 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'128212\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 01:01 PM\']
1) was the intent just to include American shows?
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It was, in fact, specifically requested that that be so (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11184&view=findpost&p=126792\").
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2) if that's the case, would we see a smaller sub-list as to where they were ranked if people did vote for them (which I'm assuming some did)?
If that's the case, pity some people apparently cannot read.
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Post by: WhammyPower on August 20, 2006, 04:37:05 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128189\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 11:48 AM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'128175\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 05:52 AM\']
I kind of felt the same way when I did the TPIR DVD giveaway. While I didn't expect everyone to participate, I was suprised at how few did. [/quote]

There was a TPiR DVD giveaway??? [/quote]
I'm with Weaver.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 20, 2006, 04:46:42 PM
[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'128218\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 03:37 PM\']
I'm with Weaver.
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For Dixon and Nick's benefit, I do believe this (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10580&hl=#\") is to what Chris B. was referring.  And as to why I didn't enter, I didn't know the answer so I wouldn't have won anyway.

Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues
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Post by: cweaver on August 20, 2006, 05:16:19 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'128220\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 03:46 PM\']
For Dixon and Nick's benefit, I do believe this (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10580&hl=#\") is to what Chris B. was referring.  And as to why I didn't enter, I didn't know the answer so I wouldn't have won anyway.

Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues
[/quote]

So, since the contest is over and I obviously don't know anyway (unless it was Rod Roddy taking over full time as announcer), what was the answer?
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 20, 2006, 05:19:54 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128224\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 04:16 PM\']
So, since the contest is over and I obviously don't know anyway (unless it was Rod Roddy taking over full time as announcer), what was the answer?
[/quote]
Um, Rod took over way before 1996.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Gus on August 20, 2006, 05:40:45 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128224\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 05:16 PM\']
So, since the contest is over and I obviously don't know anyway (unless it was Rod Roddy taking over full time as announcer), what was the answer?
[/quote]

I had guessed that it was the day the DSW threshold went from $100 to $250, but I got a message on May 29 saying "The correct answer was the daytime doors were replaced by the Davidson 94 doors. Thanks for playing."

I still don't think that's right. I don't think my guess is right either, but I'm not sure what he means by the doors were replaced, because I don't think they ever were.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 20, 2006, 08:11:55 PM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'128184\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 11:46 AM\']
(Trivia Q: is Whistle or Lose It the only example of a game show where the old episodes were erased out of pure spite?)
[/quote]

I remember in the early 2000s where they wanted to bring back Whistle or Lose It aiming to a young demographic.  Thankfully, if never came to existence.  Maybe because they wanted to name the show HUMMERS.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: tvwxman on August 20, 2006, 08:42:53 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'128238\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 08:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'128184\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 11:46 AM\']
(Trivia Q: is Whistle or Lose It the only example of a game show where the old episodes were erased out of pure spite?)
[/quote]

I remember in the early 2000s where they wanted to bring back Whistle or Lose It aiming to a young demographic.  Thankfully, if never came to existence.  Maybe because they wanted to name the show HUMMERS.
[/quote]
Hey, it's funny's cousin, not funny!
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: clemon79 on August 20, 2006, 09:00:50 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'128239\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 05:42 PM\']
Hey, it's funny's cousin, not funny!
[/quote]
Aw, give the kid a break. The content isn't bad, it was just the delivery that blew dog. :)
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Post by: chad1m on August 20, 2006, 09:03:25 PM
Sadly, I was never able to see the original, and whenever I tried to watch VH1's edition, my dish went out. I don't know if the gods tried to purposely screw me or if they were just doing me a favor.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on August 20, 2006, 09:19:51 PM
To let you into the Laff Factory(tm), my own little comment was about the fourth one I wrote out before I was happy. Comedy: it can be hard. And:

[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128243\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 09:03 PM\']Sadly, I was never able to see the original, and whenever I tried to watch VH1's edition, my dish went out. I don't know if the gods tried to purposely screw me or if they were just doing me a favor.[/quote]
This may be the most deadpan humor seen to date on these boards.

(Hits "preview" . . . holy crap, ( TM ) sans spaces actually gets you a little superscripted TM! Neat.)
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Post by: cmjb13 on August 20, 2006, 09:19:52 PM
[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'128227\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 05:40 PM\']
I had guessed that it was the day the DSW threshold went from $100 to $250, but I got a message on May 29 saying "The correct answer was the daytime doors were replaced by the Davidson 94 doors. Thanks for playing."

I still don't think that's right. I don't think my guess is right either, but I'm not sure what he means by the doors were replaced, because I don't think they ever were.
[/quote]
The photo I have has the date on the doors when they were replaced with the Davidson doors.

And I couldn't tell you offhand who else won. I cleaned up my mailbox that had those e-mails.
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Post by: chad1m on August 20, 2006, 09:25:54 PM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'128248\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 09:19 PM\']
This may be the most deadpan humor seen to date on these boards.[/quote]

Sorry, I tried. :(
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: trainman on August 20, 2006, 11:04:14 PM
I went through my copy of the EoTVGS 2nd edition and wrote down every show I'd actually seen and had an opinion about, which got me a list of about 70 shows.  Then I tried to remember shows I like(d) that postdate the publication of that EoTVGS edition and added those.  Then I started crossing off shows until I got to 50.  Then, well, I put those 50 in some semblance of order and e-mailed the list to Matt.

And almost immediately, I realized I had forgotten a recent show and had to wedge it in somewhere and eliminate a show from the bottom of the list and resend to Matt (I know, there wasn't a strict 50-show limit, but sometimes I'm too conscientious for my own good).
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: cweaver on August 20, 2006, 11:30:50 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128225\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 04:19 PM\']
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128224\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 04:16 PM\']
So, since the contest is over and I obviously don't know anyway (unless it was Rod Roddy taking over full time as announcer), what was the answer?
[/quote]
Um, Rod took over way before 1996.
[/quote]

Yeah my bad.  For some reason I thought 1986 instead of '96.
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Post by: cweaver on August 20, 2006, 11:33:47 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128243\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 08:03 PM\']
Sadly, I was never able to see the original, and whenever I tried to watch VH1's edition, my dish went out. I don't know if the gods tried to purposely screw me or if they were just doing me a favor.
[/quote]

You didn't miss much.  The only thing the VH-1 version had going for it was the cute little purple knob each contestant had to twist before they could "whistle in" with the correct answer.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 21, 2006, 12:05:19 AM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128271\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 11:33 PM\']You didn't miss much.  The only thing the VH-1 version had going for it was the cute little purple knob each contestant had to twist before they could "whistle in" with the correct answer.[/quote]
I really just watched that version for Lisa, the hostess.  She can twist my cute little purple knob anytime she wants.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 21, 2006, 12:09:26 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128273\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 11:05 PM\']
I really just watched that version for Lisa, the hostess.  She can twist my cute little purple knob anytime she wants.
[/quote]
Just what I wanted to read before going to bed!
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: clemon79 on August 21, 2006, 12:57:53 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128273\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 09:05 PM\']
I really just watched that version for Lisa, the hostess.  She can twist my cute little purple knob anytime she wants.
[/quote]
I knew someone was gonna go there.

/couldn't think of a good way to go it myself
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 21, 2006, 01:11:34 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128273\' date=\'Aug 21 2006, 12:05 AM\']
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128271\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 11:33 PM\']You didn't miss much.  The only thing the VH-1 version had going for it was the cute little purple knob each contestant had to twist before they could "whistle in" with the correct answer.[/quote]
I really just watched that version for Lisa, the hostess.  She can twist my cute little purple knob anytime she wants.
[/quote]

If your knob is purple, put down the Cialis and go see the doctor.  You may have to wear that hospital gown backwards, but only for reasons of gloating.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 21, 2006, 10:40:49 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128288\' date=\'Aug 21 2006, 12:57 AM\']
/couldn't think of a good way to go it myself[/quote]
Clearly, that didn't stop me.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Don Howard on August 21, 2006, 01:13:34 PM
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'128110\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 06:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'128108\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 06:02 PM\']Don't forget Hoosier Millionaire...[/quote]
...which didn't make GSN's top 50.[/quote]
We don't know that yet. Who knows what surprises the top ten may hold?
HM and TAR in the top ten?!? This is why I always keep my liquor cabinet stocked.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on August 22, 2006, 12:11:36 AM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128252\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 09:25 PM\'][quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'128248\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 09:19 PM\']
This may be the most deadpan humor seen to date on these boards.[/quote]
Sorry, I tried. :([/quote]No, wait, THAT'S the most--

Chad, dude, "deadpan" isn't an insult. I was appreciating the courage it took to make a joke without even a little hint towards the sarcasm, especially around here.

(Yeah, I typed "dude".)
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: chad1m on August 22, 2006, 12:17:00 AM
Hahaha, okay. I didn't know if you appreciated deadpan humor around here, so I thank you much.
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Post by: chad1m on August 23, 2006, 04:52:35 AM
Bumping this, just in case Matt wants to reminisce over Lisa once more.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 23, 2006, 09:33:31 AM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128609\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 01:52 AM\']
Bumping this, just in case Matt wants to reminisce over Lisa once more.
[/quote]
Something else you should know: we take a very dim view of bumping around here. If you have something to add, great. Bumping for the sake of bumping: bad idea.

Just saying.
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Post by: chad1m on August 23, 2006, 09:49:42 AM
Okay, sorry. I just didn't want the thread to disappear until entry time was up - I apologize.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 23, 2006, 10:19:08 AM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128618\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 06:49 AM\']
Okay, sorry. I just didn't want the thread to disappear until entry time was up - I apologize.
[/quote]
Don't worry about it. You don't know until someone tells you. So I'm telling you. :) It's all good. :)
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 24, 2006, 08:53:46 AM
With just a few days left to get your ballot in, here's today's fun fact.  Of the fifty shows that are currently at the top of our list:

Shows that debuted on 1940s radio:  3
Shows that debuted in the 1950s: 11
Shows that debuted in the 1960s:  11
Shows that debuted in the 1970s: 14
Shows that debuted in the 1980s: 8
Shows that debuted in the 1990s: 2
Shows that debuted in the 2000s:  1

(And before you claim you know absolutely for sure which three modern shows made the list, four others are hovering just below the 50 line.)

Is this a little misleading?  Sure, the decade a show debuted isn't necessarily the decade it's best-known for.  Still, I think this shows two things.  One, it's awfully hard for a new game to become a classic, and two, we as a group have a pretty decent sense of the history of our genre.
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: cweaver on August 24, 2006, 11:31:12 AM
Matt, do you have a way of coming up with an average debut year?
Title: The Game Show FANS 50 Greatest List
Post by: chad1m on August 24, 2006, 12:39:06 PM
From the information Matt gaves up, the average year right now would be about 1964-1965.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 24, 2006, 12:48:59 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128913\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 09:39 AM\']
From the information Matt gaves up, the average year right now would be about 1964-1965.
[/quote]
With 14 shows before the 60's and 25 of them after, I'd love to know where you draw that conclusion from.
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Post by: chad1m on August 24, 2006, 12:53:37 PM
It's very well not statistically accurate, but I multiplied the year by how many shows were in that decade (1940 x 3=5280). Then, after taking the sums from each decade, I added them all up and divided them up by 50, which came out to 1964.6. Without actual years and having just a relative figure, I figured that this could give a quick answers to his question.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 24, 2006, 01:00:31 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128920\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 09:53 AM\']
It's very well not statistically accurate, but I multiplied the year by how many shows were in that decade (1940 x 3=5280). Then, after taking the sums from each decaded, I added them all up and divided them up by 50, which came out to 1964.6. Without actual years and having just a relative figure, I figured that this could give a quick answers to his question.
[/quote]

Okay, and I think I see where your logic is wrong.

A show could have debuted in 1949 and still been in the 40's, so you're assuming the absolute minimum for each decade, which is gonna get you into trouble. Might make more sense to assign the middle of the era (for example, 1945) as a guesstimate, it'll certainly get you closer.

So, using that, I come up with 1969.6 (which makes sense considering I basically added five years to your numbers), which, considering there are 25 shows before 1970 and 25 after, seems like a much closer guess.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 24, 2006, 01:04:39 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128921\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 12:00 PM\']
A show could have debuted in 1949 and still been in the 40's, so you're assuming the absolute minimum for each decade, which is gonna get you into trouble. Might make more sense to assign the middle of the era (for example, 1945) as a guesstimate, it'll certainly get you closer.
[/quote]
Which is almost exactly how I do it when number crunching at my day job.  Some times I'll add or subtract .5 as needed to make it as close to the middle as possible.

Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues (broadcasting remotely from NY)
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Post by: chad1m on August 24, 2006, 01:06:46 PM
You guys are right. I wasn't trying to put much thought into it, it was just a rush-through job.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 24, 2006, 01:18:19 PM
Wondering if Lingo would count as debuting in 80's or 00's?
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 24, 2006, 01:21:09 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'128929\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 12:18 PM\']
Wondering if Lingo would count as debuting in 80's or 00's?
[/quote]
From August 9th...and the very first post in this thread:
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For the purposes of this list, all versions of a given show should be considered together. In other words, do not give Cullen's TPIR one spot on your list and Barker's TPIR another. Consider TPIR as a whole. Likewise for any show that has had multiple versions and remakes
I think that would mean Lingo debuted in the 1980s...correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 24, 2006, 01:29:07 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128930\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 01:21 PM\']I think that would mean Lingo debuted in the 1980s...correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote]
You are correct.  And again, the debut years are wildly misleading in some cases.  The original Sale of the Century debuted in 1969, but I imagine even fans of the original consider it a seventies show, and most of you were thinking of the eighties one.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 24, 2006, 02:11:31 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128936\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 12:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128930\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 01:21 PM\']I think that would mean Lingo debuted in the 1980s...correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote]
You are correct.  And again, the debut years are wildly misleading in some cases.  The original Sale of the Century debuted in 1969, but I imagine even fans of the original consider it a seventies show, and most of you were thinking of the eighties one.
[/quote]
How about Wheel of Fortune?  That started in the 1950s, riiggghhhhhttt? :P
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Post by: sshuffield70 on August 24, 2006, 11:22:41 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128950\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 01:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128936\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 12:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128930\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 01:21 PM\']I think that would mean Lingo debuted in the 1980s...correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote]
You are correct.  And again, the debut years are wildly misleading in some cases.  The original Sale of the Century debuted in 1969, but I imagine even fans of the original consider it a seventies show, and most of you were thinking of the eighties one.
[/quote]
How about Wheel of Fortune?  That started in the 1950s, riiggghhhhhttt? :P
[/quote]

Using that logic, of course, you'd say Double Dare premiered in the '70s.
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Post by: PYLdude on August 24, 2006, 11:31:22 PM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'129040\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 11:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128950\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 01:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128936\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 12:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128930\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 01:21 PM\']I think that would mean Lingo debuted in the 1980s...correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote]
You are correct.  And again, the debut years are wildly misleading in some cases.  The original Sale of the Century debuted in 1969, but I imagine even fans of the original consider it a seventies show, and most of you were thinking of the eighties one.
[/quote]
How about Wheel of Fortune?  That started in the 1950s, riiggghhhhhttt? :P
[/quote]

Using that logic, of course, you'd say Double Dare premiered in the '70s.
[/quote]

I think you:

a) missed the joke
b) didn't read earlier in the thread where Matt said they're two separate shows.
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Post by: sshuffield70 on August 24, 2006, 11:39:32 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'129041\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 10:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'129040\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 11:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'128950\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 01:11 PM\']
How about Wheel of Fortune?  That started in the 1950s, riiggghhhhhttt? :P
[/quote]

Using that logic, of course, you'd say Double Dare premiered in the '70s.
[/quote]

I think you:

a) missed the joke
b) didn't read earlier in the thread where Matt said they're two separate shows.
[/quote]

Yep, I missed the :P
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 24, 2006, 11:57:35 PM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'129043\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 11:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'129041\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 10:31 PM\']
I think you:

a) missed the joke
b) didn't read earlier in the thread where Matt said they're two separate shows.
[/quote]Yep, I missed the :P[/quote]
I'm guessing b) is also true.
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Post by: Mike Tennant on August 25, 2006, 02:47:42 PM
I finally got around to submitting my list today.

I just went through the EoTVGS, 2nd edition, and made a list of all the shows I thought deserved to be on the list, remembering afterward to think of shows that have come out since the book was published.  Some of the last ones I picked were a bit dicey, and I picked one personal favorite that I only know from its radio incarnation, though I gather that the original TV incarnation was practically the same as the radio version.

Ranking the shows was the tough part, and I don't think I would ever be satisfied with any ranking I came up with, so I finally gave up and just started putting things in the list in some rough kind of order, not worrying too much about getting everything exactly "right."  I tended to give preference to long-running shows.  Also, because I am not a tape trader, a small number of the shows on my list I have never seen or have only seen in clip form, but I chose them by reputation.  I didn't feel comfortable putting them too high on the list, so most of those shows ended up in the bottom 20.

I'll be interested to see the full list and how everything ended up being ranked, just to see how far off my rankings are (Matt says all but a few of my choices are in the top 50 right now) from everyone else's.
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Post by: Jay Temple on August 26, 2006, 01:56:44 AM
My criterion was: If these two shows were on at the same time, which one would I watch? It led to some surprising results.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 27, 2006, 12:16:42 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'126768\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 05:41 PM\']
 Balloting will end on Monday, August 28 so that I can have time to compile the results and announce them when GSN gets to their #1 choice on Thursday, August 31st.
[/quote]
Not to be Matt's promo guy...but there's only 24 hours or so left.

Matt, how many are we up to?
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 27, 2006, 09:11:40 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'129301\' date=\'Aug 27 2006, 12:16 PM\']
Not to be Matt's promo guy...but there's only 24 hours or so left.
Matt, how many are we up to?[/quote]
Holding at about 70.  I'm still really hoping that a few more of you were waiting until the last minute to get yours in, and I know we get a lot more traffic on Sundays so those of you who may have forgotten, now's the time to do it.  I'll take lists as short as 25, and your votes will definitely make a difference.  Right now, the numbers 2, 3 and 4 shows are separated by a single point (out of thousands), that's how close it is near the top.

I'll take lists all day Monday, and then Tuesday I'll start releasing the results.  If you still want to send me a list, check out the firts post in this thread for instructions on what to do.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 28, 2006, 11:55:10 AM
So if someone has not voted yet and can make an educated guess on 2  3 and4 they can place them in the countdown such that they can effect the order.

How's that for incentive to vote.
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Post by: DrBear on August 28, 2006, 01:32:08 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'129437\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 10:55 AM\']
So if someone has not voted yet and can make an educated guess on 2  3 and4 they can place them in the countdown such that they can effect the order.

How's that for incentive to vote.
[/quote]
Just think of this as a "battleground" message board.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 28, 2006, 01:34:18 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'129437\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 10:55 AM\']
So if someone has not voted yet and can make an educated guess on 2  3 and4 they can place them in the countdown such that they can effect the order.
[/quote]
And by giving the show ranked #28 a first place vote, they could affect the order too.
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Post by: PYLdude on August 28, 2006, 03:16:30 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'129446\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 01:34 PM\']
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'129437\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 10:55 AM\']
So if someone has not voted yet and can make an educated guess on 2  3 and4 they can place them in the countdown such that they can effect the order.
[/quote]
And by giving the show ranked #28 a first place vote, they could affect the order too.
[/quote]

Hell, the order could be affected in any way with a few misplaced first place votes. And I'm sure there's plenty of those on the list.

What I'm looking forward to seeing, now that there's a discussion on first place votes affecting the countdown order, is how many shows that got first place votes didn't make the top 50. I doubt that there's gonna be any that would fit the category, but stranger things have happened...
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Post by: comicus on August 29, 2006, 12:56:30 AM
I'm really anxious to see the list.  It'll definetly take away some of the bitter taste after the practically-inevitable double-shot of Cram that we'll probably wind up with sometime over the next three days.
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 29, 2006, 03:32:16 AM
I'm anxious to see if the #1 show gets fewer first-place votes than the #2 show.  It sometimes works in college polls so I wouldn't be surprised to see something like that happen here.  However, with a tight battle between #2,#3 & #4, I think #1 will most likely get a good chunk of those first-place votes.
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Post by: uncamark on August 29, 2006, 05:25:34 PM
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'129565\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 11:56 PM\']
I'm really anxious to see the list.  It'll definetly take away some of the bitter taste after the practically-inevitable double-shot of Cram that we'll probably wind up with sometime over the next three days.
[/quote]

Oh, come on...

Not to defend GSN, but you know damn well that the top 3 will all be known and generally-agreed-upon titles.  They're not going to make a 105-eps-and-out series that they aren't even repeating anymore their number one.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 29, 2006, 05:36:31 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'129643\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 02:25 PM\']
Not to defend GSN, but you know damn well that the top 3 will all be known and generally-agreed-upon titles.  They're not going to make a 105-eps-and-out series that they aren't even repeating anymore their number one.
[/quote]
At this point in the game, after some of the things this network has done in the past few months, I wouldn't put it past them to make it StarFace.
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Post by: comicus on August 31, 2006, 01:08:31 AM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'129643\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 05:25 PM\']
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'129565\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 11:56 PM\']
I'm really anxious to see the list.  It'll definetly take away some of the bitter taste after the practically-inevitable double-shot of Cram that we'll probably wind up with sometime over the next three days.
[/quote]

Oh, come on...

Not to defend GSN, but you know damn well that the top 3 will all be known and generally-agreed-upon titles.  They're not going to make a 105-eps-and-out series that they aren't even repeating anymore their number one.
[/quote]

Someone wanna buy this cat a sarcasm detector?
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on August 31, 2006, 01:21:47 AM
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'129891\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 12:08 AM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'129643\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 05:25 PM\']
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'129565\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 11:56 PM\']
I'm really anxious to see the list.  It'll definetly take away some of the bitter taste after the practically-inevitable double-shot of Cram that we'll probably wind up with sometime over the next three days.
[/quote]

Oh, come on...

Not to defend GSN, but you know damn well that the top 3 will all be known and generally-agreed-upon titles.  They're not going to make a 105-eps-and-out series that they aren't even repeating anymore their number one.
[/quote]

Someone wanna buy this cat a sarcasm detector?
[/quote]
Excuse you?  You were attempting sarcasm?
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Post by: comicus on August 31, 2006, 05:35:05 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'129894\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 01:21 AM\']
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'129891\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 12:08 AM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'129643\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 05:25 PM\']
Not to defend GSN, but you know damn well that the top 3 will all be known and generally-agreed-upon titles.  They're not going to make a 105-eps-and-out series that they aren't even repeating anymore their number one.
[/quote]

Someone wanna buy this cat a sarcasm detector?
[/quote]
Excuse you?  You were attempting sarcasm?
[/quote]

Uhm, yeah.  Sorry if I didn't make it transparent enough for you and "uncamark."  Next time I'll be sure to use plenty of obtuse acronyms and emoticons, to guarantee that the entire room "gets it."
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on September 01, 2006, 12:06:31 AM
Yes. It must be that we're just not sophisticated enough to get the joke.

That's a popular line with heckled stand-up comedians, too.
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on September 01, 2006, 01:13:39 PM
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'129989\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 04:35 PM\']
Uhm, yeah.  Sorry if I didn't make it transparent enough for you and "uncamark."  Next time I'll be sure to use plenty of obtuse acronyms and emoticons, to guarantee that the entire room "gets it."
[/quote]
Yes, please be sure.  Or it could be that there is a difference between cynicism and sarcasm.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on September 01, 2006, 01:27:52 PM
Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet.
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on September 01, 2006, 01:42:11 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'130071\' date=\'Sep 1 2006, 12:27 PM\']
Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet.
[/quote]
Which means it shouldn't be attempted unless you know it'll be successful.  He came off as saying:

 "I wouldn't put it past GSN to air a bunch of Cram for number one."

There's nothing witty, ironic or biting about this statement.  This is not sarcasm.  So, Mr. CountdownRound, If you take people to task on interpretation, make sure your own house is clean, "cat."
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Post by: comicus on September 01, 2006, 02:25:25 PM
And what does that say about those of you dumb enough to take that comment seriously?  I was led to believe that this is where all the "smart" ex-ATGSers hung out, as compared to other message boards.  I'd expect much more from an ex-Hollywood Squares champ.

Or would I?
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on September 01, 2006, 03:00:43 PM
That's a nice hole you've got going there.

I tend to want to stick up for folks who feel that a joke of theirs was missed (even if I don't see the joke), but "Someone wanna buy this cat a sarcasm detector?" is not generally the response of someone who wants to make his fellow readers laugh at something funny. Appreciate his blinding wit, yes. Enjoy themselves, no. Further responses have brilliantly borne this out.

(Who the hell calls anyone "cat" in 2006?)
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on September 01, 2006, 03:09:20 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'130076\' date=\'Sep 1 2006, 01:42 PM\']
He came off as saying:

 "I wouldn't put it past GSN to air a bunch of Cram for number one."

There's nothing witty, ironic or biting about this statement.  This is not sarcasm.  [/quote]
Actually, that statement reeks of sarcasm, but only if you give the person who posted it credit for being smart enough to know that it's an absurd exaggeration.  After all, Chris said "I wouldn't put it past them to make it StarFace" and everybody assumed that to be sarcasm without any problem at all.  

That's why what Jimmy said is so true (and Jimmy's dry wit has fallen victim to this more than once as well).  When you just see the words, and you know there are people out there who might believe such a statement, you can't be sure whether something is said seriously or facitiously.

Let's stop talking about this now.
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Post by: rialtus on September 01, 2006, 03:38:10 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'130095\' date=\'Sep 1 2006, 02:09 PM\']Let's stop talking about this now.[/quote]Okay, would you like to talk about Santa Claus or toothpicks?

/ObTalkAboutReference
//Slashies!
///TalkAbout wasn't on my list
////Dangit
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on September 01, 2006, 09:58:08 PM
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'130088\' date=\'Sep 1 2006, 01:25 PM\']
I'd expect much more from an ex-Hollywood Squares champ.

Or would I?
[/quote]
I never called you "dumb," or questioned your intelligence.  I'm not sensitive, but now that I now you like to attack the messenger, I'll quit.

I, and evidently Mark, thought you were serious.  And when you took a shot at him, I took offense.  But since Matt has a good point, I'll recant.