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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: whewfan on August 01, 2006, 10:12:37 PM
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The format: It's the same game, folks! I like how the final chain is a betting format, because the game really could go anywhere, and there's decent money at stake. I also feel the bonus game worked very well. A perfect score on Chain Reaction would be $96,600. Triple that amount and we're talking under $300,000. (Not that THAT's gonna happen!) The speed chains are a nice addition. Really it's just the Missing Link game with an extra word between.
Dylan Lane: Ok, he's not Mr. Excitement, and nobody could expect him to be the next Bill Cullen or Geoff Edwards. I think he does an ADEQUATE job... not great, but he really isn't that bad either. Let's give Dylan a few more shows to see if he gets more comfy.
I give Chain Reaction a C+. If Dylan could loosen up more, it would be better.
Starface:
The format: It's pop culture Q&A with tabloid-esque photos of celebs and questions that poke fun at them. The final round, the players put on a mask with a celeb's face on it and try to answer as the celeb. It's kind of silly, but it works.
The bonus game is the standard answer 10 in 60 seconds, using a variation of the "Dis or Dat" format from You Don't Know Jack.
Danny: Danny's voice may be a bit raspy for some, but I felt Danny was really good. He's funny, he's having fun with the show, and very loose with the contestants.
Overall I give Starface a solid A.
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You have a right to your opinion, but man, I couldn't agree with it less.
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' post=\'125957\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 10:12 PM\']A perfect score on Chain Reaction would be $96,600. Triple that amount and we're talking under $300,000.[/quote]
How do you get that number? I get a perfect score of $3,600 after the first three rounds. It was mentioned elsewhere, I thought, that there is a $500 cap on each bet in the fourth round. That's $2,500 more, for a total of $6,100, which triples to $18,300. (I'm posting all these specific numbers so that someone will specifically refute them if they're wrong.)
And a question from the non-GSN-getting gallery: just how does the betting work? Every system I imagine seems to either limit the game weirdly (given the ability to move from one end of the chain to the other mid-word) or provide the potential for some extremely low scores ("I'm gonna bet $500 again, Chuck! MASQUITOS!"). Again, clarifications and corrections are adored.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'125972\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 08:47 PM\']
And a question from the non-GSN-getting gallery: just how does the betting work? Every system I imagine seems to either limit the game weirdly (given the ability to move from one end of the chain to the other mid-word) or provide the potential for some extremely low scores ("I'm gonna bet $500 again, Chuck! MASQUITOS!"). Again, clarifications and corrections are adored.
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Here's how it works: Same as the regular game, but when you ask for your letter, you must wager between $100 and $500 that you will give the correct answer.
You must ALWAYS wager.
It must at least be $100.
Even if you don't have the slightest intention of guessing. No answer = wrong answer, and you lose your bet.
If you get to the final word, and you're down by, say, a grand, and your opponents aren't total morons, you have already lost.
Yes, it's just as idiotic as you're thinking.
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Wow. I've watched enough Chain Reaction to know that, the vast majority of the time, you are either really confident about a word or really unsure. This leads me to believe (giving the benefit of the doubt to the contestants) that the betting goes $100, $100, $100, (aha!) $500, $100, $100, (aha!) $500, etc. Were contestants actually betting $300 or $400 with no letters showing?
I'm trying not to even think about all of the money lost when you put CHAIN SMOKE/[R|ING] into the betting chain. Yeeeesh.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'125978\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 09:15 PM\']
This leads me to believe (giving the benefit of the doubt to the contestants) that the betting goes $100, $100, $100, (aha!) $500, $100, $100, (aha!) $500, etc. Were contestants actually betting $300 or $400 with no letters showing?
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Never. Played out exactly as you said. Except at the end when the guys were already way way out of it and they threw $500 out there on a lark, thinking that it would magically puff up into what they needed to catch up.
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As for Chain:
- Depending on the situation, Dylan Lane is either an android ("I need an answer") or a terrible ad-libber: "Frankly, the girls slaughtered you, but thanks for playing anyway."
- That's a set?
- Some things in a chain are more self-explanatory than others, but I'd still like to get the full briefing from the host at the end. And some viewers probably are that clueless. To say nothing of the contestants.
- I can take or leave the speed chains and the betting.
- Not having a second guess for "form of the word" really slows the game.
-And add me to the list of those not happy with the new "last letter" rule.
As much as I like the original Chain Reactions and was rooting for this one to be good, my money's on Starface being the hit of the hour.
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I was personally expecting more from the two, and I just couldn't bring myself to enjoy them at least a little bit. I constantly felt like I was in a staring contest with Dylan during Chain.
I didn't understand how they could make the set of Chain Reaction make it so the contestant guessing the words in the bonus round had to wear an effing blindfold. And that cheap bell... ick. How would Go! work if they attempted at that? *shudder*
Just my opinion. ;)
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CHAIN: I'm willing to give Dylan a pass (not that it's any help) - but not the rest of the game. I'd rather have wagering on the speed chains than the final round. Better yet, how about a "race to three" format. Once again, a classic game overtinkered with. Oh, the theme: file next to the commercial for that "Head On" stuff. Yuck.
STARFACE: Is it just me, or does Bonaduce look somewhat like Mitch Miller? Man, he's getting crusty - and he's not much older than I am. But, back to the game. OUTSTANDING! Love the set, the game pace is great, the "mask" round was a hoot, Bonaduce's brilliant here. Give me more.
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I didn't realize that the maximum bet in the betting round is $500... well my calculations were WAY off then.
I'm willing to give Chain Reaction at least one more chance. It's possible the show we saw was the first one taped, and we all know how that show went. From what Moe said, it seems the shows were better once he was on as a contestant.
I'm also glad that the episode with Dave on Starface was not aired as the premiere, but we'll see him eventually. For those that haven't seen the preview, Dave is DEFINITELY WAY OVER THE TOP, I don't think The Price is Right would even want him as a contestant. I have a feeling Dave was one of those players that somehow passed auditions, and then suddenly decided to belt out inane phrases once the show was taping.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125974\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 11:51 PM\']
If you get to the final word, and you're down by, say, a grand, and your opponents aren't total morons, you have already lost.
Yes, it's just as idiotic as you're thinking.
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I'm also assuming that if one team loses all their money, the game is automatically over (or does the other team play against the house?)
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[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'126003\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 07:32 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125974\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 11:51 PM\']
If you get to the final word, and you're down by, say, a grand, and your opponents aren't total morons, you have already lost.
Yes, it's just as idiotic as you're thinking.
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I'm also assuming that if one team loses all their money, the game is automatically over (or does the other team play against the house?)
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Your assumption is correct, the game is over.
FS
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My fiancee, who has never seen any of the originals, watched the new CR with me last night. She is a solid "Gen-Y"-er who grew up on MTV, etc. And I said, you watch this and tell me what you think, because I've seen the originals and I really never liked them all that much. Except for Cullen.
She said she liked the show. And when I watched it from the perspective with her, I think it became a little more acceptable.
First and foremost, before any discussion of the show, I think it was the wrong show to put in a nighttime slot, especially for a show that targets the younger demos. I can think of 3 or 4 older word game formats that I think would have been better, and a couple that could have more compelling interactive elements.
We liked the first three rounds. The betting round was confusing. We both thought that the limits for betting should somehow increase by the end of the word, and that would create more tension. We also didn't like the speed chains. The idea is okay, but it should be 10 seconds, and they should have to fill in the words before time is up. And the chains should be worth double the money from that round or something.
But other than that, we had fun watching the show for that half hour. Dylan is somewhat useless at this point, but he'll get better. My fiancee thought that she might watch it now and again. (FWIW, she and I both love the new Secret.)
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'126007\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 08:16 AM\']
My fiancee, who has never seen any of the originals, watched the new CR with me last night. She is a solid "Gen-Y"-er who grew up on MTV, etc. And I said, you watch this and tell me what you think, because I've seen the originals and I really never liked them all that much. Except for Cullen.
She said she liked the show. And when I watched it from the perspective with her, I think it became a little more acceptable.
First and foremost, before any discussion of the show, I think it was the wrong show to put in a nighttime slot, especially for a show that targets the younger demos. I can think of 3 or 4 older word game formats that I think would have been better, and a couple that could have more compelling interactive elements.
We liked the first three rounds. The betting round was confusing. We both thought that the limits for betting should somehow increase by the end of the word, and that would create more tension. We also didn't like the speed chains. The idea is okay, but it should be 10 seconds, and they should have to fill in the words before time is up. And the chains should be worth double the money from that round or something.
But other than that, we had fun watching the show for that half hour. Dylan is somewhat useless at this point, but he'll get better. My fiancee thought that she might watch it now and again. (FWIW, she and I both love the new Secret.)
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Finally, someone who gets that those who obsess over every little detail of the show is NOT the audience for this show.
This is not Shakespeare, it's a game show.
As for my opinions after seeing the final product, I do agree that the last letter should not be given...it's a "gimme", but I'll wait to see how often it happens (it didn't happen at all in our episode). The betting is not all $100 or $500...and this was the first episode taped, and Dylan did seem to loosen up in later tapings, so I'll wait to judge his abilities until I see a few more episodes.
But if you want to make a predicition as to the "success" of this show, step back from the "game show geek" role and think about how the average Joe will view it. They are the audience, not us.
FS
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IMO, I think Chain Reaction is better, but only slightly. It has far more play-aliong value than Starface because I'm not totally an entertainment geek like some are. But that betting format on the final chain is kinda screwed up. I would have let the teams bet as much as they wanted on each word, with a $100 minimum. Danny Bonaducce is the better of the hosts, but he could tone it down a bit.
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'126032\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 08:41 AM\']
because I'm not totally an entertainment geek like some are.
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I _am_ a pop-culture geek, and it STILL sucked.
But that betting format on the final chain is kinda screwed up. I would have let the teams bet as much as they wanted on each word, with a $100 minimum.
My, spending other people's money is fun.
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'126032\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 10:41 AM\']
IMO, I think Chain Reaction is better, but only slightly. It has far more play-aliong value than Starface because I'm not totally an entertainment geek like some are. [/quote]
So because you aren't into pop culture, by default, makes Chain Reaction the better show?
Yeah, right.
I'm willing to give Chain Reaction at least one more chance. It's possible the show we saw was the first one taped, and we all know how that show went.
Traditionally, GSN doesn't air the first one taped (at least, Whammy and Lingo) worked that way...and possibly some others as well.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'126045\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 01:28 PM\']
Traditionally, GSN doesn't air the first one taped (at least, Whammy and Lingo) worked that way...and possibly some others as well.
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Last night's Chain Reaction was the first one taped.
FS
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Well, I can't really judge this since I'm a contestant from the show... My show is going to air on FRIDAY at 9pm. I'm excited about having the Friday spot since I would imagine there would be an even larger audience that night. I'm Moe, and my teammates are Ryan and Matt.
I enjoyed seeing the full version of the show. From being onstage through all the taping, I was able to see many aspects of their production. The show was definitely fast paced, partly due to the taping in NYC. There's a difference in the feel between West Coast and East Coast shows.
The intro was cool, and it was also the first time that I had heard the theme song. They may have played it when we were on stage, but I probably was in too much of an adrenaline rush to hear it.
The guys SUCKED, mostly due to the guy on the right. The ladies did very well, and remember, when you have 2 or three letters showing already, it gets MUCH easier to get the answers. It's the luck of the draw a lot of the time. The girl on the right was the key to winning their game. Their $500 bets on the first letter was absolutely stupid. Big bets like that should come either when you're sure of the answer or if you were in the hole like those guys were.
The ladies did very well in the bonus round, but i think there was some editing done at some point during the answering. They were overly excited, then in a split second, they were calmed down. I found that kind of odd.
I was watching the game with my family, and everyone was being very interactive, so I think CR is even more interactive than a lot of people had originally anticipated. I'm sure that's a very important part of game shows these days, and they've accomplished their goal in this regard.
Someone had mentioned about that Dylan should have said something everytime they got a word right in the bonus round. There's a bell or a buzzer that goes off which you can hear both on the show, and in the studio. I can't mention any specifics as of yet, but I'll have more to add after my show airs on Friday.
From what I've read, the show that aired last night, was the episode that took three hours to tape. Our taping took no longer than an hour. They were really on their "A GAME." Everything was very smooth, and every single person in that production was top notch. Very accomodating and made us feel extremely comfortable (which we were already really at ease with everyone already, since we had met everyone previously). I wouldn't have minded being on stage for 3 hours! Being in the spotlight for that long? HELL YEAH! ha... It almost seemed as if it went by TOO quickly when we were up there, but I can't tell you just HOW LONG we were onstage for. I guess you'll all have to see on Friday Night! PRIME TIME SLOT, BABY!
For the life of me, I can't understand why everyone is putting down the betting round. The more you watch the show, you'll find that the betting round is truly the MAKE OR BREAK ROUND. Just say the girls from last night kept betting $500, and they dropped really low. The guys could have easily taken over the lead and won! The more you watch the show, the chances are that most of you will be changing your mind. Teams won't be betting so conservatively, and they'll become more "ballsy." The mindset would be either, "How much do we need to win," or "We've got this in the bag... Let's go for the REAL money!"
Overall, I gave the show pretty high marks, but I can only imagine it getting better and better as the game progresses. It's Dylan's first gameshow gig, and with everything, timing and wit will come along as more shows are produced.
I'd be very interested in hearing everyone's reviews of my show when it airs on Friday. I'll be using parts of the episode to add to my reel for other auditions. Our show will be more high energy, and have much more laughs... I can guarantee that. Both of our teams had a good chemistry, and it was evident when we were under the lights.
Thanks!
Moe
www.myspace.com/MoeTrain (http://\"http://www.myspace.com/MoeTrain\")
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Starafce was not. After the intros, Danny remarked to the third-place contestant, "We've seen better comebacks than this."
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[quote name=\'mystery7\' post=\'126048\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 10:56 AM\']
Starafce was not. After the intros, Danny remarked to the third-place contestant, "We've seen better comebacks than this."
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Unless he was completely talking out of his hat, which is also entirely possible.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'126045\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 10:28 AM\']
So because you aren't into pop culture, by default, makes Chain Reaction the better show?
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I AM into pop culture, and Chain Reaction was still the better show.
Which should give you an idea of just how bad I thought Starface was.
Fer God's sake. They centered a series of clues around Colin Powell's crotch.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126051\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 01:03 PM\']
I AM into pop culture, and Chain Reaction was still the better show.
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Sure, that's fine.
But for Bobby to say that it's better only because he's not into pop culture...is an invalid point, IMO.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'126053\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 11:14 AM\']
But for Bobby to say that it's better only because he's not into pop culture...is an invalid point, IMO.
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Well, yes. And considering who it is, I'm not sure why you're even bothering to have the discussion or what good you think it's gonna do. The rest of us looked at the post, looked at the poster's handle, rolled our eyes, and moved on.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126054\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 01:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'126053\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 11:14 AM\']
But for Bobby to say that it's better only because he's not into pop culture...is an invalid point, IMO.
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Well, yes. And considering who it is, I'm not sure why you're even bothering to have the discussion or what good you think it's gonna do. The rest of us looked at the post, looked at the poster's handle, rolled our eyes, and moved on.
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I guess I have a *tiny sliver of hope that someday, somehow, that just maybe, he'll learn.
*Tiny=a toothpick
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Couldn't see either show last night...from the reviews, doesn't look like I'm missing a whole hell of a lot.
You know, with all the criticism, I'm surprised that Soria hasn't come out with an "otaku" post yet.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'126057\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 12:19 PM\']
You know, with all the criticism, I'm surprised that Soria hasn't come out with an "otaku" post yet.
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Well, they haven't given him any prize money, so he doesn't feel the need to blindly defend it. :)
/cue Soria in 3...2...1...
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A negative layman's view from the NY Daily News' David Bianculli (and I have the feeling that he reviewed them only because of Bonaduce):
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/e...2p-370366c.html (http://\"http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/ent_radio/story/439622p-370366c.html\")
And note what name the copy editor uses for the channel underneath the star ratings at the top.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'126069\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 04:19 PM\']
A negative layman's view from the NY Daily News' David Bianculli (and I have the feeling that he reviewed them only because of Bonaduce):
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/e...2p-370366c.html (http://\"http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/ent_radio/story/439622p-370366c.html\")
And note what name the copy editor uses for the channel underneath the star ratings at the top.
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Yeah, Cronin should just give up and embrace Game Show Network. We've had two years of this, and I haven't heard the letters GSN outside of discussion forums that much, especially anything entertainment related.
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'126071\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 04:54 PM\']
Yeah, Cronin should just give up and embrace Game Show Network. We've had two years of this, and I haven't heard the letters GSN outside of discussion forums that much, especially anything entertainment related.
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And in the process, basically admit that the whole name changeover was a failure?
Good one.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'126072\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 03:06 PM\']
And in the process, basically admit that the whole name changeover was a failure?
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Well, yes. Because it has been. Believe it or not, the public tends to respect people who come forward and admit they made a mistake, then rectify it.
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' post=\'126002\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 05:39 AM\']
I'm also glad that the episode with Dave on Starface was not aired as the premiere, but we'll see him eventually. For those that haven't seen the preview, Dave is DEFINITELY WAY OVER THE TOP, I don't think The Price is Right would even want him as a contestant. I have a feeling Dave was one of those players that somehow passed auditions, and then suddenly decided to belt out inane phrases once the show was taping.
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Dave's episode aired today. And interestingly enough, he was once a contestant on The Price Is Right. (Haven't seen his TPIR episode; this was mentioned during a contestant interview.) I agree, he was way too hyper. Did he have to celebrate after EVERY right answer?
Also interesting: one of the subjects of the bonus round was a certain Access Hollywood host...
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'126057\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 03:19 PM\']
You know, with all the criticism, I'm surprised that Soria hasn't come out with an "otaku" post yet.
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That's because you all seem to be actually *gasp* ON TOPIC FOR ONCE!
In any event, even though Chain Reaction's still the same game, the gameplay itself is just so flawed it turns me off. Moreover, tonight's bonus game was just plain awful and painful to watch.
And outside of Danny Bonaduce, Starface just doesn't do it for me. If I were into watching stuff like ET and Access Hollywood on a regular basis, I'd maybe give it another shot. As far as it stands now, I'm not bothering to watch.
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[quote name=\'Brakus\' post=\'126100\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 08:08 PM\']
That's because you all seem to be actually *gasp* ON TOPIC FOR ONCE!
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Ah, there we go.
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[quote name=\'Brakus\' post=\'126100\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 10:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'126057\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 03:19 PM\']
You know, with all the criticism, I'm surprised that Soria hasn't come out with an "otaku" post yet.
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That's because you all seem to be actually *gasp* ON TOPIC FOR ONCE!
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Chris, please don't awaken him.
Brandon Brooks
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Chain Reaction really doesn't work for me.
-It's already been said, but the "form of the word" and "last letter" rules are automatic points off. At least prompt the team to give a second guess when they give a form of the word.
-I heard "Is it _____?" more times on this show than on an episode of Super/Password/Plus. It slows down the game and it fails to add any suspense. A simple bell or buzzer will do. Unfortunately, if this is taken out, it exposes Dylan Lane as a vegetable.
-I really don't see a reason to explain the puzzle at the end of the game. I can read. Besides, this version connects almost all of the words by making 2-word phrases, so it's not like we're left wondering how certain words are chained together.
Starface is forgettable. It's a pretty straightforward Q&A, with no lasting images besides Colin Powell's crotch. It does have its moments, but at it's core, it's a watered down version of You Don't Know Jack.
-My only real gripe is the bonus round. If you're going to do a "This or That" type round, at least make it harder to win. 60 seconds is enough time to get through at least 15 questions.
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'126105\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 11:23 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brakus\' post=\'126100\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 10:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'126057\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 03:19 PM\']
You know, with all the criticism, I'm surprised that Soria hasn't come out with an "otaku" post yet.
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That's because you all seem to be actually *gasp* ON TOPIC FOR ONCE!
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Chris, please don't awaken him.
Brandon Brooks
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Too late.
Never again, though.
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Did someone say "otaku"? ^_^;
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'126108\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 11:50 PM\']My only real gripe is the bonus round. If you're going to do a "This or That" type round, at least make it harder to win. 60 seconds is enough time to get through at least 15 questions.
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Counterpoint: Friend or Foe. Sure, the endgame only had 10 questions, but I'm not sure you would have gotten significantly more wins in the endgame if there were endless questions.
My dad, who sometimes watches Game Shows (he's following WSoPC at the moment) watched CR and even he finds Dylan to be a stiff.
I have a theory for why the Speed Chains are why they are: If you remember in the USA version, the last word in a chain was double score. So, instead of doing that and giving a free $X00 out, have a speed chain for that extra money to not only have another puzzle, but another time-eater. I can't imagine the timing of Chain Reaction shows to have that much variance between each other. You probably won't find too many episodes running short or running long, and that I can appreciate.
My recommendation is to bite the bullet, eliminate the speed chains, and make the last word double (triple for a sweep). You can probably fit a whole 'nother round in the space you make.
Oyasumi-nasai!
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I just saw last night's show, and I think I know one of the biggest problems it has... SUBPAR PLAYERS. I know part of it is the pressure of coming up with answers in 5 seconds, the lights, the audience, whatever... but the performance in the bonus round last night was indeed PATHETIC. Here's a tip, let the players practice the bonus game before the show to get the hang of coming up with a sentence VERY FAST. I'll give Chain until Friday, just to see Moe's show.
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' post=\'126125\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 05:35 AM\']
I just saw last night's show, and I think I know one of the biggest problems it has... SUBPAR PLAYERS. I know part of it is the pressure of coming up with answers in 5 seconds, the lights, the audience, whatever... but the performance in the bonus round last night was indeed PATHETIC. Here's a tip, let the players practice the bonus game before the show to get the hang of coming up with a sentence VERY FAST. I'll give Chain until Friday, just to see Moe's show.
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Again, these are early shows, but we were sent a clip from the pilot showing the bonus game (since the style of play was never mentioned in the audition) and we were given a list of words to practice with when we got to the studio. And at least tune back in for my episode...I promise smart gameplay from both teams and NO team getting the last letter :)
As for your point on subpar players, I was thinking about this in regards to the audition. I'd say 95% of the people going to the auditions knew nothing other than this was a gameshow. We were the only team in our audition to know the gameplay. You had a written test and played one chain on camera. We all know the game here, but it just could be that people aren't comfortable with the game, even after the audition. Did many of these teams even practice the game after making the show? In our tapings, I know most had done no preparation for the show. You had about a week if you did, but it's not like you can open a box of trivia questions and practice...someone needs to actually write chains. Also, the bonus round is VERY unfamiliar...try doing it with someone who's never seen the original or "Go!" before. It's unlike anything people are used to doing, and some people just can't get the hang of it.
My guess is *if* there's a season 2, you'll see a different caliber of contestant...it won't just be people who went to be on a gameshow, it will be people who are familiar with the game and actually know they can do well on it.
FS
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I hate to break it to you, but no they won't. If, in season 5 of Lingo, they still have 50% of the contestants who do not know of the show and no idea how to play (This is the honest truth from actual contestants), there is little chance that people will know Chain Reaction.
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'126127\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 09:31 AM\']
I hate to break it to you, but no they won't. If, in season 5 of Lingo, they still have 50% of the contestants who do not know of the show and no idea how to play (This is the honest truth from actual contestants), there is little chance that people will know Chain Reaction.
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Hell, I'll bet the majority of the people who audition for the show weren't even born yet when the original was first run.
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'126127\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 09:31 AM\']
I hate to break it to you, but no they won't. If, in season 5 of Lingo, they still have 50% of the contestants who do not know of the show and no idea how to play (This is the honest truth from actual contestants), there is little chance that people will know Chain Reaction.
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1. 50% knowing the game is way better than the 5% we have who know it now.
2. Unless you spoke to every single person who was on the show, I'm not sure how you could know that 50% had never seen the game before they played it.
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Watch a few episodes. It's very evident. I'm not trying to be rude, but just because you were on ths show, you seem keen on defending it to the death, without paying any notice to the flaws. If people watch the first 4 or 5 episodes and see that it's bad, they won't watch. They can have incredible shows for the final 5, but the episodes that form an opinion on people's minds are the first few. If those suck, the game is screwed. Even if you were on it, you can't tell me the show doesn't have gigantic flaws, an annoying host, and terrible intangibles. I was at the taping, and I wanted to be extremely pleased. I never saw the original version (it was before my time), and I came in there without any knowledge of the original version. A person with the IQ of a cucumber could tell that it just wasn't good. The game show fans that were there for the first taping, before they brought in the paid audience, clearly recognized that. Look at their faces during the taping. If it was a compelling, good game, I'm pretty sure we could stomach 3 hours. The ONLY thing that saves this show from complete suck is that it offers more play-along than any GSN show I've seen.
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'126130\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 09:58 AM\']
Watch a few episodes. It's very evident. I'm not trying to be rude, but just because you were on ths show, you seem keen on defending it to the death. Even if you were on it, you can't tell me the show doesn't have gigantic flaws, an annoying host, and terrible intangibles. I was at the taping, and I wanted to be extremely pleased. I never saw the original version (it was before my time), and I came in there without any knowledge of the original version. A person with the IQ of a cucumber could tell that it just wasn't good. The game show fans that were there for the first taping, before they brought in the paid audience, clearly recognized that. Look at their faces during the taping. If it was a compelling, good game, I'm pretty sure we could stomach 3 hours.
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I'm not defending it, last night's contestants were lousy at gameplay, but it's certainly more constructive to examine WHY they are lousy then just running around pointing out faults. Also, if you do criticize the show, at least make sure you have your facts correct (for example, you claimed elsewhere that you only get $10K even if you win the max of $18K. That's just absurd.)
Gigantic flaws? Hardly..annoying host? You've seen two episodes and were at the taping of the very first. You're ready to crucify the show based on the very first taping ever, when it has been pointed out many times that later tapings went much more smoothly and the host was much better in later episodes.
And "watch a few episodes" is not a scientific method for determining that 50% have never played the game of Lingo before. It's easy to judge people's gameplay at home without actually being on the show, but as a wise old contestant coordinator once told me "When you're watching at home, it's ALWAYS your turn."
And I have seen you call "Starface" "terrific", so maybe this isn't your kind of show.
FS
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[quote name=\'FlashStash\' post=\'126132\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 07:07 AM\']
And I have seen you call "Starface" "terrific", so maybe this isn't your kind of show.
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The exact quote was 'This looks really promising."
Personally, I think we need a Game Show Supporting Cast Hall Of Shame. The first inductee will be Tom Cruise's Friggin' Dentist. The second will be Colin Powell's Ballsack.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126136\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:02 AM\']
The exact quote was 'This looks really promising."
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Sorry, but no.
StarFace, on the other hand, was terrific.
I was really surprised with Danny Bonaduce. He is terrific as host.
To use a bad pun, StarFace is the current star on GSN's lineup.
http://www.gsn.com/buzz/showthread.php?t=84409 (http://\"http://www.gsn.com/buzz/showthread.php?t=84409\")
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[quote name=\'FlashStash\' post=\'126132\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 10:07 AM\']
You're ready to crucify the show based on the very first taping ever, when it has been pointed out many times that later tapings went much more smoothly and the host was much better in later episodes.[/quote]
The point I think he was trying to make is that all "Joe Average Game Show Viewer" (ie not us) has to see is a pattern of what looks like crap and he's gone and not coming back. If GSN were smart, they'd throw some of the later taped episodes in (assuming they were actually an improvement) this week to try and prevent that.
Then again, if the intended demographic is only looking for a pretty face and the ability to say "Whoo hoo! I really am smarter than that idiot!", then I guess they've got a hit.
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[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'126139\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:10 AM\']
The point I think he was trying to make is that all "Joe Average Game Show Viewer" (ie not us) has to see is a pattern of what looks like crap and he's gone and not coming back. If GSN were smart, they'd throw some of the later taped episodes in (assuming they were actually an improvement) this week to try and prevent that.
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OTOH, Joe Sixpack may actually be interested in watching an episode like last night's so he can feel good about how much smarter he is than those contestants :)
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[quote name=\'FlashStash\' post=\'126137\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 08:07 AM\']
Sorry, but no.
StarFace, on the other hand, was terrific.
I was really surprised with Danny Bonaduce. He is terrific as host.
To use a bad pun, StarFace is the current star on GSN's lineup.
http://www.gsn.com/buzz/showthread.php?t=84409 (http://\"http://www.gsn.com/buzz/showthread.php?t=84409\")
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Ah, okay, mea culpa. My quote was on his blog. I don't touch the GSN boards so I did not know about that assertion. But, yeah, knowing that, wow.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126145\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:19 AM\']
Ah, okay, mea culpa. My quote was on his blog. I don't touch the GSN boards so I did not know about that assertion. But, yeah, knowing that, wow.
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I think that was on his blog at one point also...no biggie! :) It's interesting to pop in over there (to GSN.com) once in awhile to see what the "real world" thinks of the network.
And, hey, I know I was on the show, and I also know it's not perfect and there's lots of room for improvement. But I'm arguing with someone here who thinks "Starface" is the best thing on GSN, so I think that's kind of important to point out as it shows what itiparanoid13 thinks is a quality show.
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[quote name=\'FlashStash\' post=\'126148\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 08:29 AM\']
It's interesting to pop in over there (to GSN.com) once in awhile to see what the "real world" thinks of the network.
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I've tried on a couple occasions. Between what I've seen and what I know about how Guide Angel runs things, I think it's in the best interest of my blood pressure to stay about as far away from there as I can.
But I'm arguing with someone here who thinks "Starface" is the best thing on GSN, so I think that's kind of important to point out as it shows what itiparanoid13 thinks is a quality show.
Agreed wholly. It's just more shilling.
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No, it's just my friggin opinion. I can't stand Chain Reaction. I love StarFace. Again, my taste for shows it kinda dumb as it is, as I was a gigantic fan of Friend or Foe and I liked The Chamber. I just find it funny and interesting. I don't say that it is the best thing ever made, it is just in my opinion that StarFace is better. It's a dumb opinion to you, you've made that abundantly clear, but it's my opinion nonetheless. I will openly admit that Chain Reaction has more enjoyable play-along factors, but everything else, to me, is better in StarFace.
Oh, I forgot. I got the rules to the Dutch version of GSN's new show "That The Question" last night. If it is anything like this, it's shaping up to be one of the best and original shows the network has done in a while. I'll post them later.
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Let me add that I'd rather have Dylan having the answers on a card rather than this whole "Is it there?" It was OK when "TPIR" and "Feud" did it, but so many other shows have copied "have the host playing along" that it's become a cliche.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'126160\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:35 AM\']
Let me add that I'd rather have Dylan having the answers on a card rather than this whole "Is it there?" It was OK when "TPIR" and "Feud" did it, but so many other shows have copied "have the host playing along" that it's become a cliche.
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Me, too.
Somebody back a few pages had the idea of betting on each speed chain rather than the betting round, and that's worth considering.
The speed rounds add variety to the game play which doubling the score of the last word doesn't, and betting helps the game build to the end. Maybe there'd be a betting limit of half your score each speed chain until the last one when you could go all in, either to win the game or build your cash. Maybe that one pays 2:1.
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I found watching Bonaduce to be the best part of "Starface." And boy, is that saying something.
Of course, the only reason to watch NASCAR is the crashes, and that does really well.
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[quote name=\'FlashStash\' post=\'126148\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:29 AM\']I think that was on his blog at one point also...no biggie! :) It's interesting to pop in over there (to GSN.com) once in awhile to see what the "real world" thinks of the network.[/quote]
I'm not sure if that was meant to be sarcastic ("real world" was in quotes, after all), but the GSN board doesn't represent the opinions of the average "real" viewer any more than we do. In fact, it's kinda scarry to suggest that it might.
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' post=\'126125\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 05:35 AM\']
I just saw last night's show, and I think I know one of the biggest problems it has... SUBPAR PLAYERS. I know part of it is the pressure of coming up with answers in 5 seconds, the lights, the audience, whatever... but the performance in the bonus round last night was indeed PATHETIC. Here's a tip, let the players practice the bonus game before the show to get the hang of coming up with a sentence VERY FAST. I'll give Chain until Friday, just to see Moe's show.
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Well, give it till Thurs August 10th, cause that's what the rescheduled date is. lol
We all were given a chance to practice the bonus round before we went on the show. We actually had a fair amount of time to practice this, but I think some teams def practiced more than others. There IS a sure fire way to complete an entire sentence, but I can't really comment too much on that as of yet. I think that some people's mindsets were this, "Why should we REALLY practice much of this end round stuff, because who knows if we'll even get that far?" BAD idea. As with virtually any game or sport you play... ANYONE can win at any given time. All I know is that we practiced for a LONG time before we got on the show. We were provided an example of the end game before we went to NYC (We are from the Philly Area), then we were there on that fateful "accident day," which gave us 2 more weeks to practice.
When we were waiting in the green room to get our makeup and be prepped to be on the show, we practiced throughout all of that wait, and after a while, we just decided that we should let our minds relax and let it all out on the show, which worked well. I saw a couple teams practice for maybe 20 minutes and that was it.
I think as the show goes along and more people are watching it before they become contestants, you'll (hopefully) see even more intriguing shows. One thing that's sort of been bothering me... There are some DEADBEATS on the show! Come on people, and do what Bob Marley sang, "Lively up yourself, and don't be no drag!" Have some freakin' fun! You have the chance to do be on a show that millions of others will never have the chance to experience. There have been some really stiff people onstage. I have experience in performing (since I am a punk/ska/reggae/hip hop musician who has played in front of a ton of people), but I realize that many haven't. Contestants don't have to be bouncing off the walls, but they should realize that they are on stage, and are a very important part of whether the game will be successful or not. As in "real life," it's very important to be able to laugh at yourself. Sure, you're going to get some words wrong. If you're not going to get a word right, make everyone laugh by throwing in a funny answer! (haha.. Just wait till you hear what I say, and the banter that goes on between me and Dylan) When I walked onto the set, it felt like I had my guitar in my hand, and was getting ready to play one of my own songs for a few thousand people. If you are not into it, the crowd can tell, and neither will they! CENTER STAGE, BABY! Take control of yourselves during the game, and play to the crowd, and hopefully, that energy will be conveyed in a fashion that all can tell (both in the studio and on TV). Laugh at your teammates when they get something wrong, and vocally, rib them hard about it, just like you would do if you were home. When they get an answer right, pump them up! The more loose you are on stage, the better you will do. However, even if you're loose, you might still get NO breaks and lose the game. Sh%T happens, right?
I'm doubting that you are going to see any winnings over $12,000, because it's extremely hard to get all of the words on the first letter, especially how they throw in words which intentionally lead you to think it's one word, then it's something totally different. Besides, the chances are that the team that gets the second letter shown to them will get the word correct.
Betting round... As much as people don't like it, it's still the "make or break" round.
I'm still having fun seeing the show (even after the rescheduling), and with as much buzz as I'm seeing from boards across the net, hopefully it will have a very successful run!
Moe
http://www.myspace.com/MoeTrain (http://\"http://www.myspace.com/MoeTrain\")
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[quote name=\'Moe Train\' post=\'126536\' date=\'Aug 7 2006, 12:42 PM\']Betting round... As much as people don't like it, it's still the "make or break" round.[/quote]
Um . . . what?
1) When it's not the "foregone conclusion" round.
2) The very fact that it's the deciding round makes our dislike of it more important than, say, the speed chains.
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It gives a chance for those who are behind to catch up and win if they are good enough, but it's true about the foregone conclusion. If a team is doing that bad, and gets all the way to zero, the game is done.
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[quote name=\'Moe Train\' post=\'126560\' date=\'Aug 7 2006, 03:23 PM\']
It gives a chance for those who are behind to catch up and win if they are good enough, but it's true about the foregone conclusion. If a team is doing that bad, and gets all the way to zero, the game is done.
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But the point everyone is making, Moe, is that there are about a billion ways to do a final round so that a team still has a way to make up ground and come from behind that DON'T involve a broken betting system that makes for an anticlimactic finish.
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Without giving anything away, I guess I'm just referring to my personal experience on the show. I haven't watched all the other shows, so I dunno...
One thing that IS messed up is during the final round... Note how long it takes for the next word to come up after a team gets the right word.
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[quote name=\'Moe Train\' post=\'126562\' date=\'Aug 7 2006, 04:02 PM\']
One thing that IS messed up is during the final round... Note how long it takes for the next word to come up after a team gets the right word.
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Oh, believe me, I've noted. That bugs me too.
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Like i said, I'll add more about that AFTER our show airs. haha...
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Bumped since I finally saw a full episode of Starface.
Interesting show, but seems a lot like On The Cover, except Cover had more structure, and looked more like a traditional game show. Face is a little looser IMO. Danny could stand to let the contestants shine here, but he's tolerable, seems quick on his feet. Like Chain, it's not appointment television, but something mildly entertaining after a night at work. I give it a B-
Chain is growing on me, I just wish the contestants would stop passing so damn much in the bonus round.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'127114\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 07:28 PM\']
Bumped since I finally saw a full episode of Starface.
Interesting show, but seems a lot like On The Cover, except Cover had more structure, and looked more like a traditional game show. Face is a little looser IMO. Danny could stand to let the contestants shine here, but he's tolerable, seems quick on his feet. Like Chain, it's not appointment television, but something mildly entertaining after a night at work. I give it a B-[/quote]To me, it wouldn't matter if they got Tom Kennedy, Mark L. Walberg and Bil Dwyer to tag team host the game, it's still Chock Full O'Tossups. Tossups for 50 points, followed by a doubling of the points, and just for grins, another doubling of the points. No choosing of categories, or anything. Just a buzzer battle every single time.
I don't mind buzzer battles one bit, but give me either a) interesting material or b) and interesting game. Star Face delivers neither.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'127137\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 05:08 AM\']I don't mind buzzer battles one bit, but give me either a) interesting material or b) and interesting game. Star Face delivers neither.[/quote]
I could personally take or leave Starface. It's absolutely a lousy game, but if you're into celeb trivia and the whole People/Us/Enquirer mindset, I can certainly see its appeal. In other words, Travis, while you might not find the material interesting, there may be an audience that does. And at least as opposed to the Dylan-bot, Danny Partridge (I think he should go back to his stage name) is trying to have some fun.
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While I do agree that Bonaduce is much better than Dylan, I think it's just that Dylan is a little nervous for the first few tapings. During when the cameras were off at our taping, he seemed much more relaxed, made more jokes, the like. When he warms up to the camera, he may actually be better. I'm not keeping my hopes up, but you never know...
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'127156\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 11:18 AM\'] When he warms up to the camera, he may actually be better.[/quote]
He's had plenty of time for that at Fuse. If he hasn't warmed up by now... well, he probably won't.
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[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'127158\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 12:32 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'127156\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 11:18 AM\'] When he warms up to the camera, he may actually be better.[/quote]
He's had plenty of time for that at Fuse. If he hasn't warmed up by now... well, he probably won't.
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THANK YOU!
Best comment on the board regarding Mr. Lane. He wasn't plucked off a street to host a game show. His experience hosting live, audience shows on Fuse suggests he should be A LOT looser, and yet....just....isn't.
I remember watching the pilot, thinking Tim Vincent SHOULD be better at this than he appeared...due to the exp he has interacting with others on Access....
Props to Davies for looking for new talent. Props to Davies taken away for either not looking in the right places, or settling.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'127178\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 04:05 PM\']
Props to Davies for looking for new talent. Props to Davies taken away for either not looking in the right places, or settling.
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Chain Co-executive producer Jen Kelly didn't know a whole lot about game show history seven years ago when she had her first game show job, as a production assistant/contestant coordinator on ABC WWTBAM when it premiered. I know some of us taught her a thing or two, I think it caused her mouth to drop. Congrats to her on moving up in the ranks at such a young age.
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[quote name=\'marilyn037\' post=\'127180\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 04:33 PM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'127178\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 04:05 PM\']
Props to Davies for looking for new talent. Props to Davies taken away for either not looking in the right places, or settling.
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Chain Co-executive producer Jen Kelly didn't know a whole lot about game show history seven years ago when she had her first game show job, as a production assistant/contestant coordinator on ABC WWTBAM when it premiered. I know some of us taught her a thing or two, I think it caused her mouth to drop. Congrats to her on moving up in the ranks at such a young age.
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First off, welcome.
Second off, who's 'we' in terms of 'some of us taught her a thing or two'?
I've met Jen. She's a nice person, and a capable showrunner. But her history of games is limited, and her abilities as an EP seem to be tailor made to how she can run a program efficiently, not how to run a game show creatively.
Again, thank gawd we have Davies, who (mostly) knows game shows well, and has a love for the genre. I for one am grateful he's trying to make steady contributions to television.
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Jen was really cool when we were on the show. Professional and personable...
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127152\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 09:00 AM\']I could personally take or leave Starface. It's absolutely a lousy game, but if you're into celeb trivia and the whole People/Us/Enquirer mindset, I can certainly see its appeal. In other words, Travis, while you might not find the material interesting, there may be an audience that does. And at least as opposed to the Dylan-bot, Danny Partridge (I think he should go back to his stage name) is trying to have some fun.[/quote]I don't doubt that there's an audience for the sort of material being used, after all, you can go through the supermarket checkout line and see just how many variations on a theme are passing as magazines these days. Even "Millionaire" spends a week out of their year doing "Celebrity Scoop."
That's not my issue, though. There's two parts to the "game show", the game and the show. Star Face fails on both parts. "World Series..." on VH1 manages to score a passing grade on both counts. The format is something that's been on Seattle radio stations for twenty years or so (down to three questions per side and the "Seesaw" tiebreaker) as "Battle of the Sexes", but the material is at least interesting. The show aspect has interesting teams, and the tense knockout mechanic that builds to a climax by the end of the show.
Star Face had a trio of contestants identifying Dolly Parton from a cropped photo of her chest while Danny gave clues to her. Which is...well, not great, but it would at least be interesting to watch if there were follow-up bonus questions for the first scorer, or a game board with categories to choose from. Give me something besides three rounds of toss-up questions. There's no "show" at all.
The third thing, Danny does seem to be at home with the celebrity-driven format, and in the one episode I saw he was able to poke fun at his own status in that realm. He's absolutely the right kind of host for the program, but that's about the only good thing about it, and only moderately so at that.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'127326\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 06:34 AM\']
Star Face had a trio of contestants identifying Dolly Parton from a cropped photo of her chest while Danny gave clues to her.
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Someone needs to Photoshop up a composite of the person made from all of the body parts used on this show. So far we've got Dolly Parton's tits, Colin Powell's nutsack, and gawd knows what else.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'127326\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 09:34 AM\']The show aspect has interesting teams, and the tense knockout mechanic that builds to a climax by the end of the show. [/quote][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'127326\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 09:34 AM\']Give me something besides three rounds of toss-up questions. There's no "show" at all.[/quote]
I'm never going to fault someone for being more interested in the "game" than the "show", but in both of these examples, it seems as though you're still talking about the "game".
To me, anyway, the "show" is the packaging, and in this one aspect, I think Starface is a little better than you're giving it credit for. People will be willing to watch for Danny's goofiness and for lame jokes at celebrities' expense. By comparison, Chain Reaction is almost all about the game, which is why the seemingly small things -- like poor game play, or giving teams the last letter to words -- aggravate us so.
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Hey, we played well on Chain Reaction. Almost tripled our money in the bonus round! But... I can't believe we missed some of the words we did. I guess it was the pressure of the situation and the 5 seconds to answer...
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[quote name=\'Moe Train\' post=\'127369\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 01:49 PM\']
Hey, we played well on Chain Reaction. Almost tripled our money in the bonus round! [/quote]
Yes, Moe, but you have to admit that, at least so far, your team has been the exception.
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Ha... I LOVE BEING THE EXCEPTION!
Matt, did you see our show? If it weren't for the part where Dylan jumped in and said, "You just doubled your money," and some slow word changing, I think we could have had the triple.
I'm not complaining though. We had an amazing time, and would do it again in a second. New York City is an amazing place to have a show. haha... After we won the game, we got right into a cab and headed to Little Italy for an amazing celebratory dinner where we had about 10 bottles of wine for 6 of us... Singing and clapping in the streets, enjoying our day of celebrity, then off to the East Village for more mayhem.
I'm still kind of surprised at the lack of energy from some of the contestants. I think a lot have never been in a studio or in front of a camera. I imagine it would be fairly easy to freeze. On our team, I was the only one with camera experience (modeling and commercials), and I coached those guys a bit about what to expect. I think it helped when we got on the show. Matt and Ryan did awesome in the bonus round. I can't believe that I got some of those answers though! (Earthquake, Waiter, Syrup) Seinfeld was one of the answers, and we actually practiced that in one of the mock bonus rounds that we were doing in the car on the way up! Mistletoe should have been answered, but we rang in too early. Broadway was another answer. I saw what Ryan and Matt were trying to do with that sentence. Our hotel was right next to Letterman's Studio on 54th and Broadway. They were trying to say something like, "What street is our hotel on?" I would have gotten that in a second.
Oh well... I'm ready for a Tournament of Champions! (I hope we get on a Chain Reaction commercial too... I'd love that!)
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[quote name=\'Moe Train\' post=\'127382\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 03:08 PM\']Matt, did you see our show? If it weren't for the part where Dylan jumped in and said, "You just doubled your money," and some slow word changing, I think we could have had the triple. [/quote]
Yes, like everyone else, I don't understand why it takes so long to change the words, nor why they don't have Dylan telling you whether you're right or not immediately.
I get the impression that Dylan is either too afraid to deviate from precisely the role that has been defined to him, or else he's just clueless about the host's role in making the bonus game interesting. Of course, when it comes to the bonus round, we are talking about comparisons to Bill Cullen and Kevin O'Connell, so the bar had been set pretty high.
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Well, the one things that's tough is that the person who is blindfolded is concentrating so heavily on what their teammates are saying, because it's sensory deprivation. I was really in the zone when blindfolded ("Let's do this"), and listening only for their voices. The only other noises I noticed were the ding or the buzzer for when the word changed, and I even noticed when on stage that it was taking a while to go to the next word. When the host popped in telling us that we doubled, I thought we were done, and on the show, you could see me taking off my blindfold. After that, we got maybe one more word. However, at the point where we doubled, we still had TWENTY seconds!!
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Saw your show, good epsiode. I've only seen a few epsiodes, though I do think your run at the Bonus Round was better than any other one I've ever seen so far. Everyone else choked/looked lost.
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[quote name=\'Moe Train\' post=\'127386\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 12:32 PM\']
When the host popped in telling us that we doubled, I thought we were done, and on the show, you could see me taking off my blindfold. After that, we got maybe one more word. However, at the point where we doubled, we still had TWENTY seconds!!
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Ya know, you keep mentioning this, and I'm wondering about something.
Did you think that Dylan stepping in and saying that was telling you that your time had expired? Or that that was it, you'd won all you could and the game was over? 'Cuz if the latter, you went through a contestant briefing that told you that you doubled, then trebled, yes?
It's kinda like in football, where a player pulls up because he believes the ball is dead, and yet the ref didn't blow his whistle, so an alert opponent scoops up the ball and scampers into the endzone. You just Don't Stop Playing until someone stops you.
I mean, I know you were (and are) excited, and that's great, and I agree that Dylan's little interjection (and did he actually step in? Yeah, you were blindfolded and couldn't see him at the time, but on the couple of shows I've seen he said it from his position in the "wings".) is distracting and doesn't need to happen, but you keep blaming Dylan for this, and I'd be interested in knowing your mindset before I agree that the blame is justified.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127390\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 04:25 PM\']
Did you think that Dylan stepping in and saying that was telling you that your time had expired? Or that that was it? 'Cuz if the latter, you went through a contestant briefing that told you that you doubled, then trebled, yes?
I mean, I know you were (and are) excited, and that's great, and I agree that Dylan's little interjection (and did he actually step in? On the couple of shows I've seen he said it from his position in the "wings".) is distracting and doesn't need to happen, but you keep blaming Dylan for this, and I'd be interested in knowing your mindset before I agree that the blame is justified.
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I noticed the same exact thing from each of Moe's (many) posts: Blaming (subpar) host for something that the contestant should have known. Agreed, it's a faulty host-ism to interject during a tense bonus round, but that's the way it's been done since 1980 on the show. You should have known better, and unfortunately can't blame anyone else for missing the money.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'127400\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 02:34 PM\']
I noticed the same exact thing from each of Moe's (many) posts: Blaming (subpar) host for something that the contestant should have known. Agreed, it's a faulty host-ism to interject during a tense bonus round, but that's the way it's been done since 1980 on the show. You should have known better, and unfortunately can't blame anyone else for missing the money.
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Well, hold on a second. I chose my words carefully for a reason: if he thought Dylan's declaration was one that would be made when time had expired (and I can totally see why he might think that...yes, hosts do sometimes interject, but usually with pertinent gameplay information only, and "You just doubled your money!!" isn't pertinent at that moment in the least), then I can see why he would react in that way. But if he thought "yay, that means I win!!" then that's flat screwing the pooch. Which is why I asked about his thought process. I don't wanna go hammering the nails in until I'm sure he's worthy of crucification. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127405\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 06:07 PM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'127400\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 02:34 PM\']
I noticed the same exact thing from each of Moe's (many) posts: Blaming (subpar) host for something that the contestant should have known. Agreed, it's a faulty host-ism to interject during a tense bonus round, but that's the way it's been done since 1980 on the show. You should have known better, and unfortunately can't blame anyone else for missing the money.
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Well, hold on a second. I chose my words carefully for a reason: if he thought Dylan's declaration was one that would be made when time had expired (and I can totally see why he might think that...yes, hosts do sometimes interject, but usually with pertinent gameplay information only, and "You just doubled your money!!" isn't pertinent at that moment in the least), then I can see why he would react in that way. But if he thought "yay, that means I win!!" then that's flat screwing the pooch. Which is why I asked about his thought process. I don't wanna go hammering the nails in until I'm sure he's worthy of crucification. :)
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Fair point. While i'm happy our new poster has won a few bucks, Moe's tone seems like he feels wronged, and quite frankly, I dont' think he was.
Of course, I'm not Moe, and do not speak for him. I only read his posts.
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Nah. I don't think I was wronged at all. I knew that we could double and triple our money. I just thought that we were done when he chimed in, like he was proclaiming how much we won. Since I was just listening for Ryan and Matt's voices, I thought that when Dylan said something, the time was done and he was just telling us how much we had won. I had no idea that we had 20 more seconds still I was told to keep going.
I had a great time, bottom line, and would love to do it again.
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[quote name=\'Moe Train\' post=\'127440\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 08:29 PM\']
Since I was just listening for Ryan and Matt's voices, I thought that when Dylan said something, the time was done and he was just telling us how much we had won. I had no idea that we had 20 more seconds still I was told to keep going.
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Gotcha. That's why I asked.
And I happen to agree with you, the few times I've seen him do it, it's bugged for exactly that reason. Let them play the game, Dylan, you can recap at the end.
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We knew all the rules well in advance, since we were there the day of the "accident." "The Goodfellaz" (www.myspace.com/WCUGoodfellas) were rescheduled for two weeks later, so we had time to practice and review all the rules of the game. Confidence and relaxation were really high when we returned to Sony Studios in NYC. We just didn't start the game off too well. Caught some bad breaks, gave some bad answers ("LUCKY BALLS" was intentionally bad, since I couldn't figure out the word in the given time. There was some banter cut out between Dylan and I, but at least they left in the part where I said, "WHAT? YOU CAN HAVE LUCKY BALLS!")
We may have been losing for most of the game, but that's what comebacks are for... (and another reason why I've been advocating the betting round when no one else has been) and my "STEP FATHER" buzzer beater took us over the top! (It was so funny to see my face when I blurted it out. By the look of my face, it was like someone turned on a lightbulb, and out came the answer!)
There was no question in our mind that we had to shoot for 10, because it was very easily attainable. We almost got the 10, but hey, we can't complain with doubling our money! I've seen some really lackluster bonus round performances though. There's a way to form sentences quickly, the other teams just have to figure it out! Matt and I were both English Majors at West Chester University (PA), and it really helped.
By the way, the crowd was much louder than it sounded on TV. I must say though, our crowd seemed a lot louder than other shows. Maybe it had to do with our WWE wrestling style antics to get the crowd pumped up. People have been calling me and saying that I looked like Batista at the end of the show when I was pumping up the crowd.
Oh the things you do when the adrenaline starts to flow!
Again, I don't feel as if we were wronged at all. Dylan's just starting to get his flow as a gameshow host, but I'D do anything to have his job! Maybe I'll have to do some more auditioning!
Man, some of you guys are brutal with the comments!
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[quote name=\'Moe Train\' post=\'127455\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 11:35 PM\']
Man, some of you guys are brutal with the comments!
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Chief, you haven't seen the half of it. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127469\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 09:32 AM\']
[quote name=\'Moe Train\' post=\'127455\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 11:35 PM\']
Man, some of you guys are brutal with the comments!
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Chief, you haven't seen the half of it. :)
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Uh huh... You guys were thinking I was making excuses for not tripling! I still came home a few thousand dollars richer!
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[quote name=\'Moe Train\' post=\'127489\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 09:21 AM\']
Uh huh... You guys were thinking I was making excuses for not tripling!
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The point is, whether you realize it or not, that's totally been the vibe you've been giving off. Which is why I asked, because I was interested in your thought process and suspected that Dylan's interjection might end up being an issue.
I still came home a few thousand dollars richer!
And after Uncle Sam takes his cut, you should have enough left over to take the gang out to Red Robin. ;)
/is Red Robin too regional of a reference?
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And yeah.. the "richer" comment was tongue in cheek. Our winnings basically paid for my stay in NYC! Besides, being on the show was much more about the awesome experience and not the money. The money was just a bonus. I had 2 of the most amazing days of my life while in the city.
You have NO IDEA what kind of awesome celebration we had. From the moment we stepped out of the studio, we got right into a cab, which took us to Little Italy. We started off with about 10 bottles of wine at dinner for 6 of us... That was just a start. BTW, I've never been to Red Robin, but I heard they have some amazing burgers!
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127492\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 11:24 AM\']
/is Red Robin too regional of a reference?
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Don't have any here in Iowa (that I know of), but I have heard of them.
So, no.
/One thing about Palace that annoys me is when people complain questions are too regional
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127649\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:10 AM\']
/One thing about Palace that annoys me is when people complain questions are too regional
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Sometimes it's entirely justified. You wanna cite some examples? I'm curious.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127651\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 12:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127649\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:10 AM\']
/One thing about Palace that annoys me is when people complain questions are too regional
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Sometimes it's entirely justified. You wanna cite some examples? I'm curious.
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I'm talking about things such as "Waffle House", "In-N-Out", "7-11", and "Popeye's".
Most, if not all of those, to my knowldge are very well known chains. The common excuse I get is "We don't have one of those in our town" or "I've never heard of it".
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127652\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:40 AM\']
I'm talking about things such as "Waffle House", "In-N-Out", "7-11", and "Popeye's".
Most, if not all of those, to my knowldge are very well known chains. The common excuse I get is "We don't have one of those in our town" or "I've never heard of it".
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Okay. Of those four, I'd say the first two are questionable. It's not fair to expect a New Yorker to know what an In-N-Out is, and the only reason I know Waffle House, never having been close to the South, much less lived there, is because I'm a foodie.
The other two, being nationwide chains, are fair game. "We didn't have one in our town" is not a good excuse. "The nearest one to me is at least fifteen hundred miles away" is somewhat better.
Depends on what you're asking, too. "What regional chicken chain has a spinach-loving sailor for their mascot?" is reasonable, because the answer can still be gotten without knowing the place exists. "Name two side dishes you can purchase at a Popeye's Chicken" is not. Even if they know of In-N-Out, I would never expect someone from Florida who has never been inside of one to know what Jungle Style was.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127660\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 01:20 PM\']
Depends on what you're asking, too. "What regional chicken chain has a spinach-loving sailor for their mascot?" is reasonable, because the answer can still be gotten without knowing the place exists. "Name two side dishes you can purchase at a Popeye's Chicken" is not. Even if they know of In-N-Out, I would never expect someone from Florida who has never been inside of one to know what Jungle Style was.
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Maddening nitpick: Should be "Used to have a spinach-loving sailor..." Popeye's has not been using the sailor for several years now (and they claim that the name initially had nothing to do with the cartoon character).
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'127666\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 12:12 PM\']
Maddening nitpick: Should be "Used to have a spinach-loving sailor..." Popeye's has not been using the sailor for several years now (and they claim that the name initially had nothing to do with the cartoon character).
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And you prove my point all the more, since I've never lived remotely close to a Popeye's, and in fact the only time I've ever laid eyes on one in person was in passing trying to get to the freeway from Candlestick Park in San Francisco.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127660\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 01:20 PM\']
Even if they know of In-N-Out, I would never expect someone from Florida who has never been inside of one to know what Jungle Style was.
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I'm from Minnesota and have been inside an In-N-Out, but what's Jungle Style?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127652\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 01:40 PM\']I'm talking about things such as "Waffle House", "In-N-Out", "7-11", and "Popeye's".
Most, if not all of those, to my knowldge are very well known chains. The common excuse I get is "We don't have one of those in our town" or "I've never heard of it".[/quote]
I dare say if someone is telling you "I've never heard of it" then you need to rethink your definition of "well known chains". I would suggest with some confidence that the majority of people in the United States have never heard of Waffle House.
Sometimes it's not even so much as a chain being regional as it just being so small as to not be relevant to a significant chunk of the population. Popeye's might very well fall into this category. For a TV show, a book, a movie or anything academic or newsworthy, most everybody has roughly the same opportunity to be exposed to it. That's not true for retail establishments, especially food chains, with the exception of the obvious giants.
It's not an exact science by any means. But if I was playing a trivia game and lost out on a question with a strong geographic bias, yeah, I'd probably grumble about it too.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'127669\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 12:46 PM\']
I'm from Minnesota and have been inside an In-N-Out, but what's Jungle Style?
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Yeah, that wasn't exactly fair. :) It's also called "Animal Style." There's kinda an off-the-board "menu" at In-N-Out for those who know about it. If you order your burger "Jungle Style", you're telling them to grill the bun with mustard on it, grill onions into the burger, and add extra special sauce. There are other bits of lingo, which you can learn about here (http://\"http://www.zenlemur.com/innout.shtml\").
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Of the four chains - "Waffle House", "7-11", "Popeye's", and "In and Out", being a foodie like Chris, I've heard of all of them. This area has all of them except "In and Out", which I would love to try.
/Also want a Chick-Fil-A relatively close to me
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'127681\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 02:32 PM\']
Of the four chains - "Waffle House", "7-11", "Popeye's", and "In and Out", being a foodie like Chris, I've heard of all of them. [/quote]
Right, but the fact that you _are_ a foodie is the reason why. I can think of many places in the United States that, were an average person born and bred there, that person wouldn't have a flying chance in hell with anything but the 7-11 question.
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I'm from Philly, and I vaguely remember "In and Out"...
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Anyway, attempting to get back on topic, I think both shows are good if you look at what they are. Chain Reaction is a word game that has more emphasis on being a dramtic game show. Starface is more of a light-hearted game, focusing on both comedy and the game. If you're expecting a wildly dramatic program with no smiles out of Starface, of course you'll hate it. But, I like both shows because they're both fun in their own ways.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'127681\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 05:32 PM\']
Of the four chains - "Waffle House", "7-11", "Popeye's", and "In and Out", being a foodie like Chris, I've heard of all of them. This area has all of them except "In and Out", which I would love to try.
/Also want a Chick-Fil-A relatively close to me
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I dunno. Desiring to try the cuisine at In-and-Out Burger and Chick-Fil-A...this is pretty much the opposite of foodiness. ;)
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This just in: I am offically sick and tired of seeing slow, stupid game players on Chain Reaction. At least on Starface their stupidity is funny. On CR, it's just annoying.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'127726\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 09:30 PM\']
This just in: I am offically sick and tired of seeing slow, stupid game players on Chain Reaction. At least on Starface their stupidity is funny. On CR, it's just annoying.
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Yeah, I mean now we've seen back-to-back teams absolutely blow it in the bonus round. Tonight's team only managed 2 answers. Last night's only got 1. I am, too getting annoyed chad1m, so join the club. It was funny at 1st, now it has gotten annoying.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'127687\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 05:09 PM\']
Anyway, attempting to get back on topic, I think both shows are good if you look at what they are.
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Crappily done shows.
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'127758\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'127687\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 05:09 PM\']
Anyway, attempting to get back on topic, I think both shows are good if you look at what they are.
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Crappily done shows.
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Now you're just being cynical. ;)
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Hey! My team got 8 right on the bonus round, and got damn near close to 10! I know we're the exception. I wish there were others who had done as well!!
I still can't understand for the life of me why many of the teams can't get over 5. Maybe it's the blindfold. Possibly in the next season, they're have hidden screens where the teams can look to give the sentences! Hell, all I did on the show was close my eyes. From the moment I put my blindfold on (or when Dylan helped me), I closed my eyes and concentrated on what Matt and Ryan were saying. They still get my praises. They did an incredible job. I hope the rest of the teams can FOCUS!!! It's not THAT hard!!!
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We know, Moe.
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Ha... Sorry man. Just it kinda frustrating to see the other teams do so poorly! I'm not rooting against anyone! It's quite the opposite. I hope they do well so the show does well.
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[quote name=\'Moe Train\' post=\'127789\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 03:52 AM\']
Just it kinda frustrating to see the other teams do so poorly!
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Are you sure that what's frustrating you isn't the fact that it's not your face on screen again?
Some polite advice, Moe: I know it's somewhat out of fashion to lurk for a bit and to read what others have posted, but try it anyway. Brandon B. rarely brings up his win on Hollywood Squares unless it's actually relevant to the discussion. The same goes for my co-moderator Matt O., who's been on not one but two game shows (Sale of the Century first, then Jeopardy) and also hosts one (Quizbusters). We have several individuals in this forum who have been on three, four, or even more shows. Even Ken Jennings has been very modest about his achievement when posting here.
Tooting your own horn is one thing; even those of us whose appearance on a game show amounts to just that -- appearing -- do it occasionally. But not in nearly every post. Calm down.