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Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on June 19, 2006, 06:22:04 PM
has stuff from the Barry and Enright vaults and the Chuck Barris vaults!

Anyone seen the commercials yet? I spyed clips from Treasure Hunt, The Joker's Wild, $20,000 Pyramid (The clips of it looked nicer and clearer than the $100,000 Pyramid run we're getting!), Three's a Crowd(Ugh...), amongst others. I'm guessing that makes the special much better, as I was expecting only Goodson-Todman stuff.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on June 19, 2006, 06:52:30 PM
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Three's a Crowd(Ugh...)

Oye, I for one really liked 3's a Crowd and I'm glad it's on there.
Granted I fully respect other people's opinions, but I do wonder if a lot of those who slam this show have actually seen it and geniunely dislike it or just trash it because so many other people do.

--Jamie
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on June 19, 2006, 06:58:25 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'121856\' date=\'Jun 19 2006, 03:52 PM\']
I for one really liked 3's a Crowd and I'm glad it's on there.
Granted I fully respect other people's opinions, but I do wonder if a lot of those who slam this show have actually seen it and geniunely dislike it or just trash it because so many other people do.
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I saw it in first run, saw it on GSN, and saw the Alan Thicke remake.

And it sucks. It sucks because it basically showcases some of the most despicable qualities in people.

/didn't like Friend Or Foe either
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on June 19, 2006, 07:01:55 PM
Indeed, I have seen some 3's a Crowd before. However, I found it too...weird. I'm guessing it simply had a trashy feel to it, although seeing Jim Peck's hilariously poofy hairstyle was fun. I did like how the whole team won $333.33. Hey, if you're going to do low budget, do it in style. :D In conclusion however, ehhh...the show isn't my style...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on June 19, 2006, 07:02:07 PM
I couldn't sit through the Alan Thicke remake, myself.
I concur with Chris that this version was terrible.

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/didn't like Friend Or Foe either

The fact that it was on the GSN Feast of Favorites did nothing for me but lead me to believe that the list was totally tampered with.

--Jamie
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Post by: TLEberle on June 19, 2006, 07:05:57 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'121858\' date=\'Jun 19 2006, 03:58 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'121856\' date=\'Jun 19 2006, 03:52 PM\']
I for one really liked 3's a Crowd and I'm glad it's on there.
Granted I fully respect other people's opinions, but I do wonder if a lot of those who slam this show have actually seen it and geniunely dislike it or just trash it because so many other people do.
[/quote]
I saw it in first run, saw it on GSN, and saw the Alan Thicke remake.

And it sucks. It sucks because it basically showcases some of the most despicable qualities in people.

/didn't like Friend Or Foe either
[/quote]
While that's completely true, there's other things to dislike. Among the few:
* A completely uninventive scoring system. "You're right, so you get a point." It works on Two Minute-Drill because there are scads of questions. On "Three's a Crowd," it's 0 to 12. Even "Newlywed Game" hid this behind 5-10-25.

* A poke-my-eyes-out set. Whoof. Was there a remnant sale at Carpet Emporium?

* Material that deliberately provoked infighting, and probably not just after the show ended.

I was not of the belief that people were good and nice and all that to begin with, and "Three's a Crowd" did nothing to make me change my belief.

/I believe that certain people can be very good, but people as a species are stupid, greedy and motivated purely by their own self-interest.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on June 19, 2006, 07:10:34 PM
Haha, I actually had GSN for about a week or a month, and the first "surprise" I got to see was the re-make of 3's a Crowd. I already hated Alan Thicke for Growing Pains, so it really didn't help that he was hosting...ugh.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SRIV94 on June 19, 2006, 07:49:33 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'121860\' date=\'Jun 19 2006, 06:02 PM\']
I couldn't sit through the Alan Thicke remake, myself.
I concur with Chris that this version was terrible.
[/quote]
Yes, but you couldn't go wrong with that announcer.  :)

No Chicago outlet cleared the 1979 first-run version.  From the viewings I saw on GSN, I didn't miss much.

Doug
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Jackpotman800 on June 19, 2006, 07:53:25 PM
I myself ain't a fan of Three's a Crowd. However the only thing I liked about the original was it's bouncy theme song. The remake's theme was okay, but it's the one from the original that I'm a big fan of.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Ian Wallis on June 20, 2006, 09:08:34 AM
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No Chicago outlet cleared the 1979 first-run version. From the viewings I saw on GSN, I didn't miss much.

Surprisingly the Buffalo station I saw it from didn't start running it until January 1980 - not too long after that, most of the rest of the country had already cancelled it.
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Post by: aaron sica on June 20, 2006, 10:52:55 AM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'121866\' date=\'Jun 19 2006, 07:49 PM\']
No Chicago outlet cleared the 1979 first-run version.  From the viewings I saw on GSN, I didn't miss much.

Doug
[/quote]

In the Harrisburg (PA) area, it ran from September 1979 through at least February (I'm going off of my old TV Guides) 1980 at 7pm weeknights. Sometime between February and June it was replaced by reruns of "Welcome Back, Kotter"...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: whewfan on June 20, 2006, 12:12:47 PM
Jim Peck commented on Three's a Crowd at GSC 8.

I asked him when I was there how many couples were still together after the show. He replied "A better question would be how many were still together DURING the show?"

Just as Art James also said, Jim said that luck plays a major part in TV. Some hosts are given formats that can last forever, and some are given a show that's rotten, and the host has to do his best to try to inject SOMETHING in the show to make it more watchable and interesting.

He also commented that when the show was cancelled, Jim and Chuck were talking about the show, and Barris commented "Know what was wrong? Nobody had any fun on that show."

And if you've had enough nerve to watch through at least one show, you can clearly see that nobody seems to be smiling at the end, and they all look like they're waiting for the credits to stop rolling.

Here's 3's a Crowd fact:
The concept came from Jess Oppenheimer, the head writer for I Love Lucy. He pitched the idea to Barris, but his vision was asking harmless questions like "what does your husband like in his coffee". Obviously Barris did his own retooling.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Ian Wallis on June 20, 2006, 12:28:18 PM
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Here's 3's a Crowd fact:
The concept came from Jess Oppenheimer, the head writer for I Love Lucy. He pitched the idea to Barris, but his vision was asking harmless questions like "what does your husband like in his coffee". Obviously Barris did his own retooling.

Here's another fact:  we could have seen Three's a Crowd about a decade earlier than we actually did.  Barris was actually pitching this show to network and syndication as early as the late '60s.  TV Guide even had a blurb about the show in its TV Teletype section around that time.  

One wonders how history would have changed had the show gotten on the air when he originally planned.  Barris mentioned that the negative press surrounding Three's a Crowd actually brought down the ratings of his other shows (Dating, Newlywed, Gong) that were on in first-run at the time.  Shortly after TAC was cancelled, he volunteeringly stopped production on all his shows and didn't offer them for the 1980-81 season.  Had Three's a Crowd not gone on the air when it did, maybe more seasons of the others would have been in the offing.

Just goes to show you how times have changed:  Three's a Crowd was reportedly the highest-rated show on GSN during what some people refer to as "The Dark Period", which led to the revival.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on June 20, 2006, 01:47:21 PM
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Three's a Crowd was reportedly the highest-rated show on GSN during what some people refer to as "The Dark Period"

I must say in retrospect, 10/11/97 - 4/18/98 wasn't so dark.

There's actually a pilot for Three's a Crowd from 1969 for ABC still in existence. Haven't seen it yet so I can't comment on it, but we're working on that.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on June 20, 2006, 01:51:59 PM
I'm not usually one to issue a cheap plug...but you can read a little more about Jim's 3s a Crowd memories on my site (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/nascarfan46/jimpeck1.html\").
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: aaron sica on June 20, 2006, 01:53:34 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'121910\' date=\'Jun 20 2006, 01:47 PM\']
I must say in retrospect, 10/11/97 - 4/18/98 wasn't so dark.
[/quote]

I must say that I agree with you. :)

While at the time, I really missed the G-T shows that had left the schedule, a good part of them eventually have come back (if even for short periods of time for some), looking back, it presented some terrific shows that haven't really been seen on a regular basis since - GO, and $20,000 PYRAMID for example.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on June 20, 2006, 02:00:49 PM
Here's an ad sales (http://\"http://gsnaffiliate.com/assets/Great_Game_Shows_Of_All_Time/GSN_50ggsat_ss.pdf\") sheet on the show.

What's the show pictured right below Gene?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Steve McClellan on June 20, 2006, 02:06:27 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\']
What's the show pictured right below Gene?[/quote]
Late-'70s TTTT.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on June 20, 2006, 02:21:10 PM
I might be having a mental blank and don't recognize it, but look at the 5th show on the top row...what is that show?

(EDIT: Nevermind. I recognized it as Greed. I looked at the floor in the pic. hehe)


--Jamie
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on June 20, 2006, 02:40:39 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'121912\' date=\'Jun 20 2006, 01:53 PM\']
While at the time, I really missed the G-T shows that had left the schedule, a good part of them eventually have come back (if even for short periods of time for some), looking back, it presented some terrific shows that haven't really been seen on a regular basis since - GO, and $20,000 PYRAMID for example.
[/quote]

I simply must agree aswell. In fact, I'd enjoy it if it happened again, because a lot of rare and weird stuff was run on GSN at that time...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: weaklink75 on June 20, 2006, 02:45:58 PM
Here's the press release.... (http://\"http://www.thefutoncritic.com/pr.aspx?id=20060620gsn01\")
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on June 20, 2006, 03:32:34 PM
So GSN executives basically were given a list of every game show produced and then voted on them?

I wonder how many old GSN originals made it now. If Friend or Foe is there and The Liar's Club or Celebrity Sweepstakes aren't, mark my words I will....probably just shake my head in dismay.

--Jamie
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cmjb13 on June 20, 2006, 03:43:07 PM
From the .pdf

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This seven week marathon (through game show history) will feature interstitial programming as well as special broadcasts of full length episodes that made the grade.
Translated to...

We will show full episodes of only the shows we have the rights to.

Actually, I hope I'm wrong in that they would go out of their way to lease 1 episode of a show they don't have the rights to.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Ian Wallis on June 20, 2006, 04:08:18 PM
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While at the time, I really missed the G-T shows that had left the schedule, a good part of them eventually have come back (if even for short periods of time for some), looking back, it presented some terrific shows that haven't really been seen on a regular basis since - GO, and $20,000 PYRAMID for example.

Personally, I didn't find this period to be "dark" at all.  One of my favorites, the '76 Break the Bank was on during this time, never to return except for a couple of appearances on the old "Game of the Week".  If they ever do put a B&E show back on the schedule, I hope they can find a weekend slot for this one.  It's one that's of high quality and that everyone seems to like - and it has enough episodes to sustain a weekend run for quite a while.


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I wonder how many old GSN originals made it now. If Friend or Foe is there and The Liar's Club or Celebrity Sweepstakes aren't, mark my words I will....probably just shake my head in dismay.

It looks as if it will just be a countdown of what they have in their vault - which will still give us a chance to see an episode or two of some of those long-off-the-schedule shows again :)
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Post by: Blanquepage on June 20, 2006, 05:43:15 PM
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It looks as if it will just be a countdown of what they have in their vault -  


I dunno. The press release did mention You Bet Your Life , one which GSN sure as heck doesn't have. Screw the 3AM hour, it'd be ideal for the morning lineup if they were to ever acquire it.

Also, another bit of info that I just learned about Three's a Crowd: the 1969 pilot was hosted by Wink Martindale and GSN does have it. It's a major stretch of hope, but MAYBE we'll see some brief clips from it?  

--Jamie
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on June 20, 2006, 05:53:05 PM
A good number of the Groucho YBYL shows appear to be in public domain. If they used one of those they wouldn't have to outlay any cash or enter any long term agreements.  Of course, it might be better to go through NBC or whatever proper channels in the long run, but I know I bought a 4-episode DVD for a dollar recently.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: joshg on June 20, 2006, 06:04:22 PM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'121930\' date=\'Jun 20 2006, 12:43 PM\']
From the .pdf

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This seven week marathon (through game show history) will feature interstitial programming as well as special broadcasts of full length episodes that made the grade.
Translated to...

We will show full episodes of only the shows we have the rights to.

Actually, I hope I'm wrong in that they would go out of their way to lease 1 episode of a show they don't have the rights to.
[/quote]

 Anyone thinking that Concentration will not be on their list? Maybe a better list is 'The 50 Greatest Game Shows We Don't Have Rights To'.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on June 20, 2006, 06:11:38 PM
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Anyone thinking that Concentration will not be on their list

Of the shows that GSN doesn't have the rights to air, IMHO, Concentration, You Don't Say, The Price is Right, You Bet Your Life & Name That Tune   would be 5 shows whose presence is imperative in some form or another.

--Jamie
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Post by: Jeremy Nelson on June 20, 2006, 07:34:33 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'121953\' date=\'Jun 20 2006, 05:11 PM\']
Of the shows that GSN doesn't have the rights to air, IMHO, Concentration, You Don't Say, The Price is Right, You Bet Your Life & Name That Tune   would be 5 shows whose presence is imperative in some form or another.

--Jamie
[/quote]
Not to mention $ale of the Century. Like somebody already said, it's going to be "The 50 Greatest Game Shows that we have rights to". Unfortunately, I remember seeing glimpses of Dog Eat Dog in the TV promo they started running. By the way, is each episoide an hour or 30 inutes?
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Post by: zachhoran on June 20, 2006, 07:35:50 PM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'121900\' date=\'Jun 20 2006, 12:28 PM\']


One wonders how history would have changed had the show gotten on the air when he originally planned.  Barris mentioned that the negative press surrounding Three's a Crowd actually brought down the ratings of his other shows (Dating, Newlywed, Gong) that were on in first-run at the time.  Shortly after TAC was cancelled, he volunteeringly stopped production on all his shows and didn't offer them for the 1980-81 season.  

[/quote]

Where did Camouflage fit into all this? Didn't it not start airing until after Crowd was cancelled, but before he pulled the plug on NG/DG/Gong?
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Post by: TLEberle on June 20, 2006, 07:39:25 PM
[quote name=\'zachhoran\' post=\'121958\' date=\'Jun 20 2006, 04:35 PM\']Where did Camouflage fit into all this? [/quote]The waste bin, I'm hoping.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on June 20, 2006, 07:40:49 PM
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Where did Camouflage fit into all this? Didn't it not start airing until after Crowd was cancelled, but before he pulled the plug on NG/DG/Gong?


According to the trusty EOGTVS, 3's a Crowd was cancelled the same month in which Camouflage debuted. After Camouflage's 13 weeks were up in April, it disappeared.

Hmm...now there's another seldom seen by great show. The original Morrow version, that is...

--Jamie
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Brandon Brooks on June 20, 2006, 11:37:28 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'121961\' date=\'Jun 20 2006, 06:40 PM\']
Hmm...now there's another seldom seen by great show. The original Morrow version, that is...
[/quote]
I don't recall which version what on GSN's Game of the Week, but it was one of the worst game show's I've ever seen.  The "Pootie Tang" of game shows, if you will.

Brandon Brooks
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Post by: beatlefreak84 on June 21, 2006, 01:28:19 AM
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I don't recall which version what on GSN's Game of the Week, but it was one of the worst game show's I've ever seen. The "Pootie Tang" of game shows, if you will.

That would be the Chuck Barris version from 1980 w/host Tom Campbell, which only lasted 13 weeks.  I might be in a vast minority, but I didn't think the show was too bad; it was a simple game with some good play-along and some nice prizes, and Campbell was pretty good as host.

I'm interested, though:  why did you (or anyone else who agrees) think the show was so bad?  I thought Barris did pretty good for his only straight-up, serious game show.

Anthony
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Post by: Blanquepage on June 21, 2006, 01:33:24 AM
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I don't recall which version what on GSN's Game of the Week, but it was one of the worst game show's I've ever seen. The "Pootie Tang" of game shows, if you will.


That would be a magnficently sub-par Chuck Barris remake with Tom Campbell. It doesn't even compare in quality to the original 60s version.

--Jamie
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Post by: BrandonFG on June 21, 2006, 01:50:45 AM
[quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' post=\'121974\' date=\'Jun 21 2006, 01:28 AM\']
I'm interested, though:  why did you (or anyone else who agrees) think the show was so bad?  I thought Barris did pretty good for his only straight-up, serious game show.
[/quote]
I think a producer other than Chuck Barris could've pulled this off, but after doing silly camp and just bad stuff like "Gong" and "3's a Crowd", it seemed a little awkward to do something straight-forward like this, and there were times when they tried to inject the camp humor into "Camouflage" (i.e. that melodramatic tracing music). Just looking at his A&E "Biography" ep., one of his staffers noted how zany it was around his office, so it seems like he might've been a "fish out of water" in doing that show.

Also, there wasn't too much game to speak of. Answer the question, try and find the hidden image. Snooze.
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Post by: curtking on June 21, 2006, 06:25:18 AM
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'121956\' date=\'Jun 20 2006, 06:34 PM\']
By the way, is each episoide an hour or 30 minutes?
[/quote]
One hour, airing from 10PM-11PM EDT.  Begins July 18th and runs each Tues/Wed/Thu until August 31st.

The full press release is linked somewhere earlier in this thread.

Curt
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Post by: Ian Wallis on June 21, 2006, 09:06:59 AM
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I'm interested, though: why did you (or anyone else who agrees) think the show was so bad? I thought Barris did pretty good for his only straight-up, serious game show.

Actually, I always though Parent Game and Game Game were somewhat "serious" games.
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Post by: clemon79 on June 21, 2006, 09:23:50 AM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'121993\' date=\'Jun 21 2006, 06:06 AM\']
Actually, I always though Parent Game and Game Game were somewhat "serious" games.
[/quote]
Game Game was....well, it was something. Definitely something.
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Post by: uncamark on June 21, 2006, 04:16:48 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'121953\' date=\'Jun 20 2006, 05:11 PM\']
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Anyone thinking that Concentration will not be on their list

Of the shows that GSN doesn't have the rights to air, IMHO, Concentration, You Don't Say, The Price is Right, You Bet Your Life & Name That Tune   would be 5 shows whose presence is imperative in some form or another. [/quote]

Add "Truth or Consequences" to that list (and it is mentioned in the PDF flyer).  After all, between radio and TV it ran continuously for around three decades--and put Bob Barker in the "Guinness Book of World Records."
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Post by: tvmitch on June 26, 2006, 09:31:28 AM
I apologize if this is repeated somewhere because I didn't see it...if the show runs over 7 weeks, and there's 50 shows, do we know if each show from 50 to 1 gets a full hour of time? Like, retrospectives plus a full episode?
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Post by: SRIV94 on June 26, 2006, 10:29:47 AM
[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'122532\' date=\'Jun 26 2006, 08:31 AM\']
I apologize if this is repeated somewhere because I didn't see it...if the show runs over 7 weeks, and there's 50 shows, do we know if each show from 50 to 1 gets a full hour of time? Like, retrospectives plus a full episode?
[/quote]
Doesn't quite work that way.  It's actually 21 hours, or 42 half hours (three hours per week for seven weeks).  So some shows won't get a full episode.

Those that don't will most likely be shows that GSN doesn't have rights to air (read: TPIR), or they have the rights but other factors keep them off (read: GONG).

Doug
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Post by: Sonic Whammy on July 09, 2006, 12:51:49 PM
I agree with all of the comments about GSN not having rights to shows that deserve to make the list. Most notable of all of them has to be Price Is Right. I know the TV Guide list a few years ago was a joke to quite a few people because of shows like Masquerade Party and Shenanigans making the list while stuff like Press Your Luck got ignored, but it's hard to disagree with their choice of Price as #1.

Of the others mentioned, I'd agree with Concentration, $ale of the Century and Scrabble at the least. Bottom line, it'll be a slightly bastardized countdown, but let's at least hope they show enough of the shows that we feel DO deserve to be on the list.

Keep a running count, everyone, and we'll compare notes when it's all said and done.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 09, 2006, 02:38:52 PM
[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' post=\'123682\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 11:51 AM\']
I know the TV Guide list a few years ago was a joke to quite a few people because of shows like Masquerade Party and Shenanigans making the list while stuff like Press Your Luck got ignored[/quote]
No, it was a joke to you PYL fans...who cried foul once again because their little "baby" got snubbed.  In case you didn't know, Masquerade Party ran more than twice as long as Press Your Luck.
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Post by: clemon79 on July 09, 2006, 02:46:34 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'123689\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 11:38 AM\']
No, it was a joke to you PYL fans...who cried foul once again because their little "baby" got snubbed.
[/quote]
Ya know, I always giggle a little when the proprietor of the "Press Your Luck Palace" pulls out one of these random slams. I suggest everyone else try it, too. It's quite amusing.
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Post by: bossjock967 on July 09, 2006, 03:04:53 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'123690\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 02:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'123689\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 11:38 AM\']
No, it was a joke to you PYL fans...who cried foul once again because their little "baby" got snubbed.
[/quote]
Ya know, I always giggle a little when the proprietor of the "Press Your Luck Palace" pulls out one of these random slams. I suggest everyone else try it, too. It's quite amusing.
[/quote]
But it's not the "Press Your Luck Palace" anymore... it's "PYLP Studios"!  ;-)
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Post by: BrandonFG on July 09, 2006, 03:14:38 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'123689\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 02:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' post=\'123682\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 11:51 AM\']
I know the TV Guide list a few years ago was a joke to quite a few people because of shows like Masquerade Party and Shenanigans making the list while stuff like Press Your Luck got ignored[/quote]
No, it was a joke to you PYL fans...who cried foul once again because their little "baby" got snubbed.  In case you didn't know, Masquerade Party ran more than twice as long as Press Your Luck.
[/quote]
What was that for? How many average TV Guide viewers do you think know of "Masquerade Party", compared to PYL, esp. when the former hasn't even aired in over 30 years. The longevity of a show shouldn't have anything to do with being on the list. "Ready Set Cook" was up there too, and how long did that air (Sit down, Zach, I don't care to know)? A list that includes an obscure cooking game show, but not something that's still fondly remembered as an 80s cult (from people OUTSIDE of this group) does seem like a joke to me.
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Post by: tvwxman on July 09, 2006, 03:53:51 PM
How serious is this list going to be taken?

The commercial has "Dog Eat Dog" in it , for pete's sake.
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Post by: Sonic Whammy on July 09, 2006, 04:12:12 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'123694\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 02:14 PM\']
What was that for? How many average TV Guide viewers do you think know of "Masquerade Party", compared to PYL, esp. when the former hasn't even aired in over 30 years. The longevity of a show shouldn't have anything to do with being on the list.
[/quote]
My point exactly. There are a lot of us on this group that have shows on our all-time favs list that were on for a short period of time compared to shows like Masquerade Party, and in some cases, the shorter shows were and are better.

I mean, look at how many of us have started clamoring for Break the Bank around here. I for one really like that show and want to see it on the countdown. And last I checked, it was only around for a collective 15 months in its two runs. That's only a quarter of what Masquerade did, but does that not necessarily make it a worse show. I'll bet a few around here will probably argue for stuff like Hit Man, Go and Battlestars if they really wanted to. Do they win the argument? Who knows.

Also, on that same question of longevity determining the better show, on that TV Guide list, recall that Masquerade Party was ranked 8th on the list, while Wheel of Fortune, which has been on for over five times longer and counting, ranked way down at 25th. So according to longevity logic, shouldn't those ranks have been the other way around?

Bottom line is that to some extent, this list is going to get a little subjective. It's tough for it not to. We all have our favorites and we want them to get a little recognition if they truly deserve it. This does NOT mean that they should be #1 just because we say so. Like I said, I have no problem with a show like Price or Millionaire being given the top slot. The way those shows are put together, they deserve that kind of credit. If I had to place Press Your Luck, I would probably say it land somewhere around... low 20's... high teens on average, maybe? I'd have to think about that. But I know that just because it's MY number one does not mean I'll complain if it's not THE number one. The only time each of us gets mad individually is when our show gets snubbed for something that didn't make sense, no matter what the length of the show's run was.

BTW, I have an episode Masquerade on DVD now, and I didn't care much for it myself. Was OK, but the Mystery Guest spots on What's My Line? were a lot more fun.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: zachhoran on July 09, 2006, 07:23:27 PM
[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' post=\'123682\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 12:51 PM\']
I agree with all of the comments about GSN not having rights to shows that deserve to make the list. Most notable of all of them has to be Price Is Right.


[/quote]

What are the over/unders on Lingo making their top 50? Or for that matter, any other GSN original(I suspect 3's a Crowd, as seen in the commercials for this marathon, makes the list, although probably undeservedly, in part because of the original). I suspect some or most people in here are cringing about 3's a Crowd, Greed, Dog Eat Dog, and even Treasure Hunt making the list, if the commercial is to be believed.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: TonicBH on July 09, 2006, 08:09:51 PM
It's not 50 great game shows.

They should just call it "Fifty shows in our library that we're gonna talk about for an hour."
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: zachhoran on July 09, 2006, 08:16:48 PM
[quote name=\'TonicBH\' post=\'123732\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 08:09 PM\']
It's not 50 great game shows.

They should just call it "Fifty shows in our library that we're gonna talk about for an hour."
[/quote]

I believe it's a seven week series airing Tue-Thu at 10PM EST starting on 7/18.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: sshuffield70 on July 09, 2006, 08:30:39 PM
[quote name=\'TonicBH\' post=\'123732\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 07:09 PM\']
It's not 50 great game shows.

They should just call it "Fifty shows in our library that we're gonna talk about for an hour."
[/quote]

Well, it could be worse.

It could have been the "50 Greatest Game Shows" hosted by 50 Cent....
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: ChrisLambert! on July 09, 2006, 11:00:56 PM
For the first three nigths:

Tuesday 17: Shows #50 and #49
Wednesday 18: 48-46
Thursday 19: 45-42.

Several shows are getting the short shrift early on. One can only hope Dog Eat Dog's one of them.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: zachhoran on July 09, 2006, 11:04:36 PM
[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' post=\'123746\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 11:00 PM\']
For the first three nigths:

Tuesday 17: Shows #50 and #49
Wednesday 18: 48-46
Thursday 19: 45-42.

Several shows are getting the short shrift early on. One can only hope Dog Eat Dog's one of them.
[/quote]

I'm suspecting  shows they don't have the rights to show clips from, or maybe Sony-owned stuff that they now have to lease separately, might be among the shows featured Wed and Thu.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: wvoutlaw2002 on July 13, 2006, 02:15:36 AM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'121860\' date=\'Jun 19 2006, 06:02 PM\']
I couldn't sit through the Alan Thicke remake, myself.
I concur with Chris that this version was terrible.

Quote
/didn't like Friend Or Foe either

The fact that it was on the GSN Feast of Favorites did nothing for me but lead me to believe that the list was totally tampered with.

--Jamie
[/quote]

GSN should call this list what it really is : The 50 Greatest Game Shows (Which We Have The Right To Air) Of All Time. If it were a REAL greatest game shows list, you would see TPIR on there.

Now I did like Russian Roulette...that was one GSN Original that was decent.

I just hope Inquizition doesn't make the cut. (Time has expired...and so have you, O' Great Inquizitor. Please...leave now.)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: wvoutlaw2002 on July 13, 2006, 02:17:14 AM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'123734\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 07:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'TonicBH\' post=\'123732\' date=\'Jul 9 2006, 07:09 PM\']
It's not 50 great game shows.

They should just call it "Fifty shows in our library that we're gonna talk about for an hour."
[/quote]

Well, it could be worse.

It could have been the "50 Greatest Game Shows" hosted by 50 Cent....
[/quote]

At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if they put GSN Video Games in the top 50.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: calliaume on July 13, 2006, 08:11:31 AM
If GSN is truly serious about this list, they can do a one-time lease.  It's common for Nick at Night to do this when they have theme weeks and such (for example, Moonlighting, which they have no rights to, popped up a few months ago as a one-shot).

Yes, it costs money.  But if they want to be truly representative, that's what must be done.  If it's just an excuse to trot out some old library titles and some relatively current stuff, that should be pointed out and laughed at appropriately.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 13, 2006, 09:18:08 AM
[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'124045\' date=\'Jul 13 2006, 05:11 AM\']
If it's just an excuse to trot out some old library titles and some relatively current stuff, that should be pointed out and laughed at appropriately.
[/quote]
Which is what I've been doing for two years now, much to the chagrin of some chuckleheads who think that it directly substitutes for actual market research.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 13, 2006, 12:33:54 PM
If it hasn't been posted already, here's the GSN release (http://\"http://www.gsn.com/corporate/press.php?release_id=208\")...among the shows mentioned are Password Plus, Tic Tac Dough, and *mutter* the Larsen episodes of Press Your Luck.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Brandon Brooks on July 13, 2006, 08:43:50 PM
[quote name=\'wvoutlaw2002\' post=\'124036\' date=\'Jul 13 2006, 01:15 AM\']
GSN should call this list what it really is : The 50 Greatest Game Shows (Which We Have The Right To Air) Of All Time. If it were a REAL greatest game shows list, you would see TPIR on there.
[/quote]
Exactly how many times to people need to make this point?  We get it.  Let's just wait and see.

Brandon Brooks
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Post by: calliaume on July 13, 2006, 09:16:27 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'124151\' date=\'Jul 13 2006, 07:43 PM\']
Exactly how many times to people need to make this point?  We get it.  Let's just wait and see.
[/quote]
I hold a B.S. in Belaboring the Obvious from Omigodnothimagin University.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: FeudDude on July 13, 2006, 10:11:56 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'124151\' date=\'Jul 13 2006, 08:43 PM\']
Exactly how many times to people need to make this point?  We get it.  Let's just wait and see.
[/quote]

Thank you.  I think people are being too cynical about this list.  While I'm sure there will be some questionable choices on the list (based on the promos and the press release, I can already name two), I don't think this is just going to be "The Best of the GSN Library".  They don't have enough time slots to air full episodes of every show on the list anyway, so ones that aren't in their library will probably just be represented by clips and whatnot.  I would guess that, at the very least, TPiR will make the list.

Also, FWIW, the schedule on GSN.com has a specific game show listed at 10 pm next Wednesday.  I won't disclose which one it is, but it's a show that would normally run for a half-hour, and not one of the shows that GSN normally airs in prime time.  It could just be an error, but I wouldn't put it past GSN to have effectively revealed one of the shows from 48-46.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on July 13, 2006, 10:41:44 PM
For those of you that are dying to find out in advance what shows made the cut, I've posted a list of shows 50 - 42.
The partial spoiling list can be viewed here (http://\"http://www.pageoclips.com/gsn50spoliers.html\")

To those that view the list, tune in July 18th for incredulity-melting confirmation.

--Jamie
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on July 14, 2006, 01:14:34 AM
Well, I'm happy with the list so far, that's all I'm saying.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: BrandonFG on July 14, 2006, 01:22:31 AM
Well, yea...that was unexpected. Not complaining, just not what I expected, especially #47. ESPECIALLY #47.

I wonder which version #44 will be.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on July 14, 2006, 01:38:06 AM
Quote
I wonder which version #44 will be.
Probably all versions will be featured. After all, it spanned 4 decades.

Quote
Not complaining, just not what I expected, especially #47. ESPECIALLY #47.

Never in a thousand years would I have expected 47 either. I don't have a problem with 50, which was actually barely edged out of my own personal Top 50 on Page O' Clips.
I already completely disagree with the bottom-of-the-list placement of 49 & 48...but I'm sure there's going to be a a million disagreements amongst the masses.
Scuse me, I must vent a bit in the ol' LiveJournal.

--Jamie
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on July 14, 2006, 01:57:44 AM
#47: You've gotta f*****g be kidding me.  What the...just...why?  More importantly, just how in the Holy Gazpacho did 47 get ahead of 48 or 49. (YMMV on 49, but I'd like to believe  that 48 was a danged fine show, worthy of higher placement)

I'm guessing that they'll spend about 7-10 minutes on shows they don't have, and a full episode on all they do have.

That would match up with the shows/dates:

50 and 49 both get full episodes
48 and 46 both get full episodes, while 47 gets 7-10 (7 to 10 I'll never get back)
45, 44, and 42 will probably get variable amounts, while 43 gets a full episode
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 14, 2006, 03:04:58 AM
Keep in mind who voted.

Young yuppies at their desks...probably not even heard of some of the shows...I wouldn't hesitate to bet that many of the people that work at GSN aren't actual game show fans.
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on July 14, 2006, 03:30:21 AM
I'm sure those GSN execs must've known what they were thinking when they compiled that list.  I have no problem with #50 as well as some of the other early entrants.  #49 is a bit low I thought.  #47 sure came out of left field there.  I always that it was a dating show more than a game show myself.  I'll have to flp between that & WSoPC next week on Tues & Wed.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 14, 2006, 09:26:58 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'124186\' date=\'Jul 14 2006, 12:04 AM\']
Keep in mind who voted.

Young yuppies at their desks...probably not even heard of some of the shows...I wouldn't hesitate to bet that many of the people that work at GSN aren't actual game show fans.
[/quote]
Yes, and since the mass majority of what goes on behind-the-scenes on the business side of a television station has not one single thing to do with the material they are airing, that's fine. They are no less qualified to do their job. I bet a lot of the business folks at ESPN aren't sports fans, either.

/some would suggest the PROGRAMMING folks at ESPN aren't sports fans
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on July 14, 2006, 01:30:16 PM
TitanTV.com, so THAT'S where my source got the info. Oof.
It looks like that if it says "New" next to the listing for '50 Greatest,' they list the shows.

--Jamie
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SimpsonGeek on July 18, 2006, 10:19:25 PM
Well, we get the first episode of [color=\"#33FFFF\"]Three's A Crowd[/color] for #50.


The intro/beginning with Bill Dwyer made me cringe. It seemed so unnatural and forced. Hopefully this isn't how the whole countdown will be. It will be interesting to see how they handle the shows they can't show in full.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 18, 2006, 10:31:36 PM
Wow.
#49 is a great treat.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: catnap1972 on July 18, 2006, 10:37:29 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'124472\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 10:31 PM\']
Wow.
#49 is a great treat.
[/quote]

Far as I know (I could be wrong), GSN's never aired this one before.

Awesome, indeed!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: narzo on July 18, 2006, 10:43:47 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'124472\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 09:31 PM\']
Wow.
#49 is a great treat.
[/quote]

as the original source for the CBN episodes of this show on the trading circuit, you have NO IDEA the joy I'm having right now.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: catnap1972 on July 18, 2006, 10:46:59 PM
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'124475\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 10:43 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'124472\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 09:31 PM\']
Wow.
#49 is a great treat.
[/quote]

as the original source for the CBN episodes of this show on the trading circuit, you have NO IDEA the joy I'm having right now.
[/quote]

Was I correct that this one wasn't in the trading circuit?

(and with the fee plugs left in too?  GASP!)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 18, 2006, 10:51:53 PM
[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'124476\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 09:46 PM\']
(and with the fee plugs left in too?  GASP!)
[/quote]
Considering they were the fee plugs that could have most easily cut.

Big time kudos.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: narzo on July 18, 2006, 10:51:56 PM
[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'124476\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 09:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'124475\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 10:43 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'124472\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 09:31 PM\']
Wow.
#49 is a great treat.
[/quote]

as the original source for the CBN episodes of this show on the trading circuit, you have NO IDEA the joy I'm having right now.
[/quote]

Was I correct that this one wasn't in the trading circuit?

(and with the fee plugs left in too?  GASP!)
[/quote]

definately NOT on the circuit, if it aired on CBN it was pre March 1984 when I started recording.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: toddyo on July 18, 2006, 10:53:19 PM
I think the episode has run before. I remember seeing it a while back.  

This airing is exactly what GSN should do and remember: Run the internal plugs!   The music beds, Johnny Jacobs voicers....YES! And it's not hacked up!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 18, 2006, 11:01:39 PM
[quote name=\'toddyo\' post=\'124479\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 09:53 PM\']
I think the episode has run before. I remember seeing it a while back.  
[/quote]
Must have been a long while back, as the last time I remember this being on the schedule regularly was 1998...and I never remember them showing this version...because of music issues.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: ilb4ever2000 on July 18, 2006, 11:07:20 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'124482\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 11:01 PM\']Must have been a long while back, as the last time I remember this being on the schedule regularly was 1998...and I never remember them showing this version...because of music issues.[/quote]

I remember reading that the main music issue was the closing theme. I think they got around that by not showing the credits in full.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: narzo on July 18, 2006, 11:07:58 PM
[quote name=\'toddyo\' post=\'124479\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 09:53 PM\']
I think the episode has run before. I remember seeing it a while back.  

This airing is exactly what GSN should do and remember: Run the internal plugs!   The music beds, Johnny Jacobs voicers....YES! And it's not hacked up!
[/quote]

trying to keep this vague and spoiler free, GSN never ran this episode.  They ran one episode of the series, one that was recorded a year earlier than the one tonight.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Pyramid80 on July 18, 2006, 11:08:22 PM
I think tonight's episode selections, were good picks.  I for one have never seen an episode of the 70's Treasure Hunt, and it was a treat.  Kudos to GSN, and thanks for leaving in the fee plugs.  Let's hope they keep up this trend throughout this series.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: narzo on July 18, 2006, 11:12:37 PM
[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' post=\'124486\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 10:08 PM\']
I think tonight's episode selections, were good picks.  I for one have never seen an episode of the 70's Treasure Hunt, and it was a treat.  Kudos to GSN, and thanks for leaving in the fee plugs.  Let's hope they keep up this trend throughout this series.
[/quote]

oh well, now that it's out I was refering to the episode GSN ran some years ago from 1973 as the only other episode they've run.  They only had the 80's version in regular rotation.  

The closing theme was heard in tonights show so if GSN was trying to not have it heard, they messed up.  
(don't start screaming "no it wasn't heard, they cut the credits".  Who said it was heard during the credits on this show.)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Pyramid80 on July 18, 2006, 11:17:58 PM
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'124487\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 10:12 PM\']
[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' post=\'124486\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 10:08 PM\']
I think tonight's episode selections, were good picks.  I for one have never seen an episode of the 70's Treasure Hunt, and it was a treat.  Kudos to GSN, and thanks for leaving in the fee plugs.  Let's hope they keep up this trend throughout this series.
[/quote]

oh well, now that it's out I was refering to the episode GSN ran some years ago from 1973 as the only other episode they've run.  They only had the 80's version in regular rotation.  

The closing theme was heard in tonights show so if GSN was trying to not have it heard, they messed up.  
(don't start screaming "no it wasn't heard, they cut the credits".  Who said it was heard during the credits on this show.)
[/quote]
Sorry, I thought the 70's version was in rotation at one point back in the late 90's.  The only time I have seen Treasure Hunt was on the Game Show Saturday Night.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Scott on July 18, 2006, 11:19:50 PM
I've been looking forward to this series ever since it was announced, and after seeing tonight's premiere, I think GSN has a definate winner on its hands.

Kudos to them for not only airing Treasure Hunt, which was very unique and fun to watch, keeping in the fee plugs.

I've already set my digital reciever timer for tomorrow's show.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: catnap1972 on July 18, 2006, 11:25:04 PM
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'124487\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 11:12 PM\']

The closing theme was heard in tonights show so if GSN was trying to not have it heard, they messed up.  
(don't start screaming "no it wasn't heard, they cut the credits".  Who said it was heard during the credits on this show.)
[/quote]

Actually, from what I remembered (from a thread on that far-away wasteland on the internet that we don't speak of anymore), it was one of the prize reveal cues that was the issue with the show never having been run on GSN and not the "True Grit" closing theme.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: vtown7 on July 18, 2006, 11:25:13 PM
Any idea if there will be reruns on the weekends parchance?  I forgot to set the tape... and I would like to see TH.

R.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: catnap1972 on July 18, 2006, 11:36:06 PM
[quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'124492\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 11:25 PM\']
Any idea if there will be reruns on the weekends parchance?  
[/quote]

From what's been posted on the GSN board, you're SOL
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: davemackey on July 18, 2006, 11:45:04 PM
[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'124491\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 11:25 PM\']
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'124487\' date=\'Jul 18 2006, 11:12 PM\']

The closing theme was heard in tonights show so if GSN was trying to not have it heard, they messed up.  
(don't start screaming "no it wasn't heard, they cut the credits".  Who said it was heard during the credits on this show.)
[/quote]

Actually, from what I remembered (from a thread on that far-away wasteland on the internet that we don't speak of anymore), it was one of the prize reveal cues that was the issue with the show never having been run on GSN and not the "True Grit" closing theme.
[/quote]
If it was the Crusaders song that was objectionable, I heard it.

And I had totally forgotten until I saw the closing credits of that show that the first few seasons of Treasure Hunt were taped at ABC (I think the show moved to The Burbank Studios in 1975). Credits chock full of guys who were probably also working concurrently on Dating and Newlywed Games.

Nice to see GSN keeping all that "trivial" stuff in.
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Post by: FeudDude on July 18, 2006, 11:47:14 PM
I enjoyed Treasure Hunt more than I thought I would.  It's cheesy, but it has an engaging quality to it, and Geoff was great at creating suspense.  And hey, I certainly can't complain about GSN showing rarities AND leaving the fee plugs in.  I could've done without 3's a Crowd, but I can't wait to see what GSN has in store over the next few weeks.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on July 18, 2006, 11:48:26 PM
Stupid DVR's been misfiring for the last week...Records some shows it shouldn't be, doesn't record others it should - not to mention it's frozen three times now - two of which I had nothing to do with.  One of the few times I miss GSN's old "Rerun the prime-time schedule" philosophy from earlier in the decade.  Would have really come in handy this time

AGTO...BT
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on July 19, 2006, 02:48:02 AM
Tonight's New Treasure Hunt was a real rare treat. Only 10 contestants won the $25,000 top prize and we were treated to one of them.

To clarify other posts, I can confirm that GSN's never aired this episode, and this is the SECOND episode of The New Treasure Hunt that they've aired in their lifetime.
The first time was during their 1994 launch marathon with an $8,000 win.
The next instance was in September '97 on Game TV following a guest appearance by Geoff himself. Instead of a normal Game TV show, they went into the vault and aired the 1973 premiere episode in full.

Big thumbs up to GSN here!

--Jamie
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Craig Karlberg on July 19, 2006, 03:18:59 AM
What a way to start the 50 Greatest Games of All-Time!  #50 was OK, but #49 was a treat & a half!  I can see why only ladies are allowed on that show.  They can handle tension much better than the guys.  Geoff was rock solid here.  It's amazing that they'd showed a 1974 episode on there.  The earliest I can remember watching it was either 1976 or 1977.  It was neat hearing all those Chuck Barris music beds again especially True Grit.  Hopefully, #48 will get a nice full episode as well as #46.  As for #47, I'll bet they'll just give a slight passing reference to it before seeing #46.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: narzo on July 19, 2006, 03:39:37 AM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'124497\' date=\'Jul 19 2006, 01:48 AM\']
Tonight's New Treasure Hunt was a real rare treat. Only 10 contestants won the $25,000 top prize and we were treated to one of them.

--Jamie
[/quote]

This was definately one of the most famous ones.  Her "win" was shown as a "if you're really lucky, something like this could happen to you" for the final 2 seasons, both alone and as part of a clip of many winners.  Which I happen to have on youtube (yeah, yeah, cheap plug) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9tezK8ns4 (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9tezK8ns4\") .  Sorry for the quality, I had made it into an m-peg 4 so i could put it on my i-pod and thats what I uploaded.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on July 19, 2006, 04:23:55 AM
Simply awesome, the whole full epsiode thing. My thoughts stayed the same on 3's a Crowd, but I've never seen Treasure Hunt before, and I loved it. Wish GSN would air more soon...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chief-O on July 19, 2006, 07:12:55 AM
This was the first time I've ever seen Treasure Hunt, so I thought it was quite a treat to see a '70's ep, and [what looked to be] one of the better ones at that. I can say it's an interesting little show, and I'd sure love to see more someday.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: tvwxman on July 19, 2006, 09:55:11 AM
Dont know if this has been discussed, but I have to wonder if GSN is looking closely at this show to see what shows do well, for future permanent scheduling....
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cmjb13 on July 19, 2006, 10:13:09 AM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'124504\' date=\'Jul 19 2006, 09:55 AM\']
Dont know if this has been discussed, but I have to wonder if GSN is looking closely at this show to see what shows do well, for future permanent scheduling....
[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing. But how would one gauge? I suppose ratings would work, but they are so minute to begin with.

Now, if they advertised something ahead of time, like a full episode of Price, then I could understand a noticeable spike.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: tvmitch on July 19, 2006, 10:29:16 AM
We had a power outage last night, and I missed this ep of Treasure Hunt. (I was not all that happy.)

So, if anyone out there taped it, I'll give you an hour from my collection in exchange, and I'll probably even throw in some bonuses. First come, first serve. TIA!
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Post by: uncamark on July 19, 2006, 12:21:34 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'124504\' date=\'Jul 19 2006, 08:55 AM\']
Dont know if this has been discussed, but I have to wonder if GSN is looking closely at this show to see what shows do well, for future permanent scheduling....
[/quote]

What I'm thinking is if this may be one of the formats that Friedman's looking at for the fall 2007 syndication block.  As Dwyer said in his intro, there is that resemblance to "DOND" and it would be a nice bit of counterprogramming if NBCU's going ahead with the syndicated strip of "DOND" next year.

And like a geek, I was humming along with every one of those damn cues last night, especially since I haven't heard the non-Barris-written cues in decades.  Geek.  :)
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Post by: Neumms on July 19, 2006, 05:49:04 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'124508\' date=\'Jul 19 2006, 11:21 AM\']
What I'm thinking is if this may be one of the formats that Friedman's looking at for the fall 2007 syndication block.  As Dwyer said in his intro, there is that resemblance to "DOND" and it would be a nice bit of counterprogramming if NBCU's going ahead with the syndicated strip of "DOND" next year.

And like a geek, I was humming along with every one of those damn cues last night, especially since I haven't heard the non-Barris-written cues in decades.  Geek.  :)
[/quote]

Would someone older than I verify if what the models were wearing were hot pants? They were quite something in either case.
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Post by: Jumpondees on July 19, 2006, 10:41:20 PM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'124498\' date=\'Jul 19 2006, 03:18 AM\']
 #48 will get a nice full episode as well as #46.  As for #47, I'll bet they'll just give a slight passing reference to it before seeing #46.
[/quote]


It's almost a shame that this indeed happened...I would have killed to see an episode of "Studs" again.  I guess growing up when I was a teen, I thought the show was hilarious...I would have liked to see if I had the same reaction some 10-15 years later to see if this show was a funny as I remember it, or if it was complete crap.  

I'm assuming that the reason why the show never got to air an episode in the "Top 50"  was not more so that GSN couldn't get clearance to 1 episode from Fox, but maybe because the tapes no longer exist?
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Post by: FOXSportsFan on July 19, 2006, 10:44:22 PM
I have a feeling we'll see two shows go that route tomorrow.  If you have Comcast Digital Cable, they list the shows, so I won't spoil them, but let's just say I don't particularly care to see show 45.
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Post by: ChrisLambert! on July 19, 2006, 10:44:58 PM
[quote name=\'Jumpondees\' post=\'124543\' date=\'Jul 19 2006, 10:41 PM\']
I'm assuming that the reason why the show never got to air an episode in the "Top 50"  was not more so that GSN couldn't get clearance to 1 episode from Fox, but maybe because the tapes no longer exist?
[/quote]

I can't imagine *any* show since, say, 1985 has been wiped.

/Not even lousy ones like "Studs" :)

(Rooting for Fox Reality to start airing "Studs" so that GSN can't even consider it)
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on July 19, 2006, 10:48:16 PM
Studs got a minutelong passing mention during the commercial break of a Blockbusters episode.  Don't think anyone has to worry about GSN digging...that...up.
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Post by: Allstar87 on July 19, 2006, 10:52:23 PM
I actually wanted to see more attention paid to Studs too. And all they showed was a picture of Mark DeCarlo; not even a shot of the set! I've liked Studs ever since I got an episode in a trade, and I would've loved to see another episode. (I'm sure I'm in the vast minority, though.)

I think it would be a good addition to the GSN's schedule myself; it has way more of a game element than Love Connection, with the heart-collecting and all.
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Post by: clemon79 on July 19, 2006, 11:15:30 PM
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'124549\' date=\'Jul 19 2006, 07:52 PM\']
I actually wanted to see more attention paid to Studs too. And all they showed was a picture of Mark DeCarlo; not even a shot of the set! I've liked Studs ever since I got an episode in a trade, and I would've loved to see another episode. (I'm sure I'm in the vast minority, though.)
[/quote]
Oh yeah.
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Post by: narzo on July 19, 2006, 11:42:28 PM
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'124549\' date=\'Jul 19 2006, 09:52 PM\']
I actually wanted to see more attention paid to Studs too. And all they showed was a picture of Mark DeCarlo; not even a shot of the set! I've liked Studs ever since I got an episode in a trade, and I would've loved to see another episode. (I'm sure I'm in the vast minority, though.)


[/quote]

At least they didn't go the tabloid route and show the clip of Ron Goldman on "Studs".  I honestly figured they would when I saw this show was to be mentioned.
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Post by: rebelwrest on July 20, 2006, 12:08:08 AM
Looks like I did not miss much.  Since I was six when Studs came on, I never got to see an episode.  But do all think that Studs should have never made the list.  I kept saying what the (expletive deleted) when that show came up.  

Since shows that GSN does not have the rights will only get a passing mention, does that mean the greatest game show of all time will get a passing mention (I am assuming that The Price Is Right will be in that spot, at this point it is pretty much a given)?
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Post by: PYLW on July 20, 2006, 12:27:34 AM
Well hey, it wasn't bad. That Blockbusters epsiode was kind of...out there. I thought they'd show Hatten or Pat and Liz, not some random epsiode...

And wow, seeing Hollywood Showdown, I can see why many consider Todd Newton to be a good host. He's light years ahead of Whammy!... I like this show aswell.

And Studs? Ehh, it sounded like a Love Connection type show anyway. No way would I care enough to watch it...
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on July 20, 2006, 03:26:28 AM
Night 2 of this series was a good one.  Outside of the slight mention to Studs(#47), Blockbusters(#48) & Hollywood Showdown(#46) were nice to see again.  Hearing Dwyer mentioning that Bill Cullen won Emmys for this show makes me curious as to why he hasn't gotten more attention these days than most would think.  He kept plugging away most of the time, though he made a few off-tangent jokes once in awhile.  I didn't find anything unusual about this episode except Loraine's Gold Rush towards the end of the episode where she won it in 22 seconds.  I wonder if it's a record or at least close to it.

As for Showdown, Todd Newton was definitely way better than Whammy! I thought.  Seeing that box office hit of nearly $17K sounds reasonable on a cable show like that.

Looks like I got a conflict tonight between night 3 of this series & WSoPC on VH-1 at 10 PM.  Hopefully, I'll try to work around that somehow.  Not sure which shows get the full episode treatment from #45-#42 this time.
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Post by: whewfan on July 20, 2006, 05:36:23 AM
Let's not forget that the gameplay of Studs was a total crock. While the dates are real, all the supposed responses to the questions asked were all dreamed up by the show's writers, and not by the contestants!

Also, Ron Goldman, the guy who was Nicole Brown Simpson's friend, was a contestant on Studs.
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Post by: WhammyPower on July 20, 2006, 09:29:08 AM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'124566\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 02:26 AM\']Blockbusters(#48) & Hollywood Showdown(#46) were nice to see again. [/quote]
Even though you can see them every day?  (BB on GSN, HoSho on TV Guide Channel)
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Post by: clemon79 on July 20, 2006, 10:11:56 AM
[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'124580\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 06:29 AM\']
Even though you can see them every day?  (BB on GSN, HoSho on TV Guide Channel)
[/quote]
You're making two assumptions here; one, that Karlberg receives either GSN or TV Guide Channel, and two, that Karlberg has even a single clue in his head.
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Post by: melman1 on July 20, 2006, 10:28:23 AM
It is known exactly how this list of "50 Greatest Game Shows Of All Time !!!" was compiled?  I have a hard time imagining that "Studs" or "3's a Crowd" would make anyone's top 50 list.  And a harder time with Cullen Blockbusters being ranked between them!!

The only explanation that makes any sense is that the list was compiled "Feast of Favorites" style, i.e. with an unsupervised online poll.
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Post by: cmjb13 on July 20, 2006, 10:30:02 AM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'124559\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 12:08 AM\']
Since shows that GSN does not have the rights will only get a passing mention, does that mean the greatest game show of all time will get a passing mention (I am assuming that The Price Is Right will be in that spot, at this point it is pretty much a given)?
[/quote]
They could easily put Price at 3 below MG & FF. They could also sandwich it between both at #2.

Both shows (MG & FF, or even others) could be easily swapped around.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on July 20, 2006, 10:59:33 AM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'124566\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 03:26 AM\']Hearing Dwyer mentioning that Bill Cullen won Emmys for this show makes me curious as to why he hasn't gotten more attention these days than most would think.  [/quote]
For the record, Bill did not win any Emmys for Blockbusters.  He was nominated for that show, but just once, and he didn't win.  Either Dwyer's script was wrong or Karlberg misquoted him.  I have my suspicions as to which is true.
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Post by: uncamark on July 20, 2006, 11:25:25 AM
Well, I guess we'll find out tonight if GSN made any one-shot deals beyond Sony series not currently on the schedule.  "Tattletales" will take up half the show, but which one will fill up the other half?
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Post by: SteveRep on July 20, 2006, 11:27:53 AM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'124566\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 03:26 AM\']
I didn't find anything unusual about this episode except Loraine's Gold Rush towards the end of the episode where she won it in 22 seconds.  I wonder if it's a record or at least close to it.[/quote]
In Bil's intro to Blockbusters, he said the episode 'has a unique place in BB history .... more on that later.'

We saw LaRae win the Gold Run for $2,500, pushing her total to $42,000. Before the final segment, Bil added that LaRae 'retired' with $47,000 -- meaning she won the ensuing Super Gold Run.

The bar's pretty low if that's a 'unique place' -- unless 22 seconds is a Gold Run record.

I'd rather have seen one of the $120,000 max-out winners.
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Post by: FeudDude on July 20, 2006, 11:47:03 AM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'124587\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 11:25 AM\']
Well, I guess we'll find out tonight if GSN made any one-shot deals beyond Sony series not currently on the schedule.  "Tattletales" will take up half the show, but which one will fill up the other half?
[/quote]

I'm guessing the other three shows will be discussed, with at least one of them getting a more thorough tribute than Studs did.

Last night's installment was underwhelming compared to the night before, but it was still cool to see Blockbusters in prime time, even if it wasn't a particularly outstanding episode.
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Post by: PYLW on July 20, 2006, 01:16:17 PM
I think #45 or #44 will get a bit of clipshow, unless executives were begging for Queen For a Day to return...
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Post by: Scott on July 20, 2006, 09:19:15 PM
[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'124580\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 08:29 AM\']
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'124566\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 02:26 AM\']Blockbusters(#48) & Hollywood Showdown(#46) were nice to see again. [/quote]
Even though you can see them every day?  (BB on GSN, HoSho on TV Guide Channel)
[/quote]

My cable provider doesn't get TVG Channel, so Hollywood Showdown was the first for me since its original PAX run.
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Post by: PYLW on July 20, 2006, 09:21:26 PM
Same here. I used to get that channel but I haven't gotten it in years...
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on July 20, 2006, 09:47:50 PM
[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'124580\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 08:29 AM\']
Even though you can see them every day?  (BB on GSN, HoSho on TV Guide Channel)
[/quote]
Please tell me why you bother.  Please tell why anyone would bother with him.

Brandon Brooks
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Post by: cacLA8383 on July 20, 2006, 10:04:45 PM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'124595\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 12:16 PM\']
I think #45 or #44 will get a bit of clipshow, unless executives were begging for Queen For a Day to return...
[/quote]

Dunno about QFAD, but as I type this, a freaking episode of STYD is on right now. Looks like Finn's 2nd to last season.
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Post by: Scott on July 20, 2006, 10:07:57 PM
Well, Night 3 gets off to an interesting start, as Finn STYD gets a full ep at 45.
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Post by: FOXSportsFan on July 20, 2006, 10:09:28 PM
I was hoping they would bypass showing an episode of this...why dear lord why...
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Post by: Red on July 20, 2006, 10:10:52 PM
[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' post=\'124618\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 06:09 PM\']
I was hoping they would bypass showing an episode of this...why dear lord why...
[/quote]

It's so much better than the current revived version of it. All the physical challenges were fun, with some challenge in most. Overall enjoyable show.
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Post by: Blanquepage on July 20, 2006, 10:12:57 PM
Quote
Dunno about QFAD, but as I type this, a freaking episode of STYD is on right now. Looks like Finn's 2nd to last season

Gee what a....nice....surprise. A full episode of Shop Til You Drop. Eh. It'll pass the 30 minutes.
I'll bet my bottom dollar that 44 & 42 get measley passing mentions and 43 gets a whole episode.

Must search for a nice mixer with this bottle of vodka, stolen from someone who voted on these 50 shows.

--Jamie
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Post by: Scott on July 20, 2006, 10:23:13 PM
And, as expected, ToC gets the passing mention before the final break of the half hour.

And Tattletales gets a full ep, also as expected.  William "Captain Kirk" Shatner is one of the contesti on this ep.
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Post by: Allstar87 on July 20, 2006, 10:37:27 PM
I thought the two they would show would be Truth or Consequences & Tattletales. I never expected Shop Til You Drop.

At least they showed an episode from the superior Finn version.
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Post by: narzo on July 20, 2006, 10:41:54 PM
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'124625\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 09:37 PM\']
I thought the two they would show would be Truth or Consequences & Tattletales. I never expected Shop Til You Drop.

[/quote]

here's the problem with these countdown shows.  They can only show what they have the rights to.  I read a few days ago what 4 shows would be "honored" tonight and it was obvious which 2 would get aired.
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Post by: Blanquepage on July 20, 2006, 10:45:40 PM
Quote
it was obvious which 2 would get aired

It was news to me that GSN had the rights to Shop Til You Drop. Shopping Spree, yes. Shop Til You Drop? Who'd have thunk it?

--Jamie
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on July 20, 2006, 10:54:17 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'124627\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 09:45 PM\']
 Shop Til You Drop? Who'd have thunk it?

--Jamie
[/quote]

I thought GSN might have either gotten Queen for a Day, or else they already had STYD.  Wasn't sure which one, though.

Seeing STYD was still a surprise, admittedly.  And given that it wasn't the Shop til you WalMart Roberto version, it was a passable way to spend 30 minutes.

(And as we all know Jamie, surprises are fun)
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Post by: PYLW on July 20, 2006, 11:11:56 PM
Well, bravo! I was expecting a clip fest, but GSN brings the goods with full epsiodes. I'm not too big of a fan of Shop 'Till You Drop, but I'm glad it got a full version. I love Tattletales, so I'm overall happy tonight.
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Post by: Chief-O on July 20, 2006, 11:15:00 PM
I have to admit, seeing the full ep. of "Shop" was a treat. Seth's right---it could have been the Roberto version [I've seen one ep. of that, and that's enough for me], but it wasn't. Kind of wish they could have pulled out one from the Walberg era [and mentioned his rise to RR], but what we got wasn't bad. Sure, yes, Dee in drag was quite [un]appetizing...but dang! How 'bout that Shopper's Challenge??!?

Just remember, folks: We've already seen worse on this countdown.

Wasn't expecting to see "Queen" in there [anyone remember how many eps. Trio showed when they had that???], but for TorC to get the shaft.....yeah.
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Post by: snowpeck on July 20, 2006, 11:19:59 PM
They didn't already have STYD... they apparently had to specifically license an episode... which may be encouraging for the rest of the countdown.


Greg
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Post by: Jackpotman800 on July 20, 2006, 11:20:45 PM
[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'124632\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 11:15 PM\']
...but dang! How 'bout that Shopper's Challenge??!?
[/quote]

Yeah! The couple that played it & won was too damn smart. I'll bet that 950 points was the highest score in the history of the show.
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Post by: narzo on July 20, 2006, 11:26:48 PM
[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'124632\' date=\'Jul 20 2006, 10:15 PM\']
Wasn't expecting to see "Queen" in there [anyone remember how many eps. Trio showed when they had that???], but for TorC to get the shaft.....yeah.
[/quote]

They aired three which, again, adds to the props to GSN for not digging into the "vault of public domain" to get product.
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Post by: bwood on July 21, 2006, 12:40:25 AM
After seeing how they talked about Studs last night, I was thinking today that STYD would be a full episode. Wasn't there a rumor going around at one time that GSN had STYD and SS from PAX and that they were going to air them in the future? I know SS will probably fall on that list somewhere, and we'll see if we get a full episode of that.
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Post by: ilb4ever2000 on July 21, 2006, 01:05:16 AM
[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'124638\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 12:40 AM\']Wasn't there a rumor going around at one time that GSN had STYD and SS from PAX and that they were going to air them in the future?[/quote]

No, GSN had access to some old Family Channel shows including SS, Family Challenge, Masters of the Maze, and Wild Animal Games, perhaps because of a Bob Boden connection (he had worked for both channels). All four (but not STYD) appeared on a past Feast of Favorites ballot.
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Post by: bwood on July 21, 2006, 01:10:59 AM
[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' post=\'124641\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 01:05 AM\']
[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'124638\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 12:40 AM\']Wasn't there a rumor going around at one time that GSN had STYD and SS from PAX and that they were going to air them in the future?[/quote]

No, GSN had access to some old Family Channel shows including SS, Family Challenge, Masters of the Maze, and Wild Animal Games, perhaps because of a Bob Boden connection (he had worked for both channels). All four (but not STYD) appeared on a past Feast of Favorites ballot.
[/quote]

Yeah, I remember those Family Channel shows showing up on the ballot (and Family Challenge airing on weekends at one time), but I was referring to the shows from PAX. I thought this was more of a recent rumor, like in the last 6 months or so. I forgot about Shopping Spree.....the SS I was referring to was Supermarket Sweep.
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on July 21, 2006, 03:28:35 AM
Night 3 wasn't quite as good as the first 2 nights, but it got 4 more in including 2 full episodes.

Shop Till You Drop(#45) certainly took me back at least 10-15 years.  The stunts were intresting to say the least(though I hate to shutteer at the sight of Dee wearing drags).  Pat Finn was OK but his laughing was a bit annoying I thought.  I don't remember seeing any couple rack up that many points(950) in one show.  At least it was much more passable than the Roberto version anyway.

Ah, the original TattleTales(#43).  Nothing like hearing Bert Convy refer to the yellow section as the "banana" section.  I was in Batavia NY when it first came on the air in the early '70s.  It's not one of my favoritte shows involving celebrities, but it sure was nice to bring back those childhood memories again.

As for Queen For A Day, I wouldn't mind seeing it though I wouldn't expect to see it since it was before my time.  As for TorC, I wouldn't mind seeing Barker doing what he does best: playing with the audience.  It was a natural for him.

Now we await week 2 starting at #41.  Hopefully, I'll see some more goodies down the pipe.
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Post by: bandit_bobby on July 21, 2006, 09:15:11 AM
After what I've seen so far, here's my Analysis:

#50- Three's a Crowd: How the heck this got on the list is beyond me. Totally inane show.

#49- Treasure Hunt: This should have been higher on the list. It was a good show. I never saw a complete episode until now.

#48- Blockbusters: Also should have been a little higher, and they should've aired a John Hatten episode.

#47- Studs: Another WHAT THE *$%&* pick. Blech.

#46- Hollywood Showdown: This show is kinda where it needs to be on the list.

#45- Shop Til' You Drop: How the heck GSN was able to air an episode of this is beyond me. I always thought the highest maingame score on this show was about 900 or something.

#44-Truth or Consequences: I thought this should have been close to the middle of the list. Fairly popular show.

#43- Tattletales: See Hollywood Showdown.

#42- Queen For A Day: No way.

I'll bet you Match Game's #1 on the list.
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Post by: Tim L on July 21, 2006, 10:32:53 AM
Heads-Up..from Zap2it.com..the placements of the next few shows

41-38    GSN Tue 7/25 10:00 PM
 
37-35   GSN Wed 7/26 10:00 PM
 
34-33   GSN Thu 7/27 10:00 PM
 
32-29    GSN Tue 8/1 10:00 PM
 
28-25    GSN Wed 8/2 10:00 PM
 
24-23    GSN Thu 8/3 10:00 PM
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Post by: uncamark on July 21, 2006, 11:40:33 AM
Damn, Pat Finn's laugh is annoying.  It sounds like every stereotype of a game show host you've seen in commercials.

And I'm assuming that by this point that S-S was doing their own sweetening instead of calling in LaMasney/Wheeler--tell me that those two gentlemen would know better than to dub in applause for two stunts that didn't involve any running around and would require that an audience be quiet for the entire round.

"STYD"'s presence on the countdown is because it had the tenacity of a cockroach in an era when game shows were in a valley.  It never was that good a show then or now, but it sure could stay on the air in an era of lowered expectations.
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Post by: PYLW on July 21, 2006, 12:24:55 PM
Good news, someone on the GSN board says that they saw a shopping cart on the set that Bil's on...maybe we'll see Supermarket Sweep afterall. It was one of my favorite shows to watch while studying for college/high school exams...
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Post by: MikeK on July 21, 2006, 12:30:12 PM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'124671\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 12:24 PM\']
Good news, someone on the GSN board says that they saw a shopping cart on the set that Bil's on...maybe we'll see Supermarket Sweep afterall. It was one of my favorite shows to watch while studying for college/high school exams...
[/quote]
The Red Tag Special prop from Sweep is on the set.  So is what appears to be the large wheel from The Big Spin.  I doubt this means we'll see an episode of either, but rather that GSN borrowed some stuff from Bob Boden.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on July 21, 2006, 12:35:23 PM
Quote
now that it's out I was refering to the episode GSN ran some years ago from 1973 as the only other episode they've run. They only had the 80's version in regular rotation.

Yes, that was the third episode of '70s Treasure Hunt they've run.  Looks like I'll have to be updating my "What GSN has aired" online list soon!

As someone who's been GSN-less for two years, AGTOT?
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Post by: aaron sica on July 21, 2006, 12:50:37 PM
[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'124658\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 09:15 AM\']
After what I've seen so far, here's my Analysis:

#50- Three's a Crowd: How the heck this got on the list is beyond me. Totally inane show.
[/quote]

Most likely because GSN has the rights to it and needed to fill that spot.
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Post by: clemon79 on July 21, 2006, 01:03:36 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'124666\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 08:40 AM\']
Damn, Pat Finn's laugh is annoying.  It sounds like every stereotype of a game show host you've seen in commercials.
[/quote]
Why is it that we dis Pat Finn as being a "stereotype", and then herald Wink Martindale as a freakin' hero? Wink is EVERY SINGLE game-show-host stereotype rolled into one shiny-toothed package.
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Post by: PYLdude on July 21, 2006, 01:57:26 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'124679\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 01:03 PM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'124666\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 08:40 AM\']
Damn, Pat Finn's laugh is annoying.  It sounds like every stereotype of a game show host you've seen in commercials.
[/quote]
Why is it that we dis Pat Finn as being a "stereotype", and then herald Wink Martindale as a freakin' hero? Wink is EVERY SINGLE game-show-host stereotype rolled into one shiny-toothed package.
[/quote]

So basically you're saying that Pat Finn is a better host than Wink Martindale?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 21, 2006, 02:02:11 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'124691\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 10:57 AM\']
So basically you're saying that Pat Finn is a better host than Wink Martindale?
[/quote]
No, I'm saying that people shouldn't crap on any of Finn's mannerisms when their exists someone who has made his legacy out of exaggerating every one of those mannerisms.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 21, 2006, 02:23:19 PM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'124671\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 11:24 AM\']
It was one of my favorite shows to watch while studying for college/high school exams...
[/quote]
Wow.
When I study for my exams, I don't watch TV.  Interesting study aid, there.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 21, 2006, 02:59:24 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'124695\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 11:23 AM\']
Wow.
When I study for my exams, I don't watch TV.  Interesting study aid, there.
[/quote]
I used to have the TV on all the time in the background when I was doing homework and/or studying for exams.

And all I have to show for it is my high-school diploma. Oh, and a bachelor's degree. Oh, yeah, and an MCSE.

Boy, I wish I was as dedicated and applied as you, Mark. Then, one day, if I worked REALLY hard, I could also be....

Oh, wait.

(Can we put that post in the Archives? I just don't see him topping it.)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: MrBuddwing on July 21, 2006, 03:08:16 PM
[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'124658\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 09:15 AM\']

#50- Three's a Crowd: How the heck this got on the list is beyond me. Totally inane show.

[/quote]


Considering that it's an obvious retread of Barris' own "Newlywed Game," with the mildly interesting dynamic of husband, wife and husband's secretary at play (so to speak), I would say it's no more inane than NG - which, I'll admit, isn't saying much, but I haven't posted here in a while.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: MikeK on July 21, 2006, 03:11:37 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'124697\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 02:59 PM\']I used to have the TV on all the time in the background when I was doing homework and/or studying for exams.

And all I have to show for it is my high-school diploma. Oh, and a bachelor's degree. Oh, yeah, and an MCSE.

Boy, I wish I was as dedicated and applied as you, Mark. Then, one day, if I worked REALLY hard, I could also be....

Oh, wait.

(Can we put that post in the Archives? I just don't see him topping it.)
[/quote]
Good God.  What is it with the constant attacks on Mark?  Did he piss in your gazpacho?

Your argument above is like comparing apples and oranges.  Mark's in college and is at least a decade younger than you.  If he hasn't done anything worthwhile when he's your age, you win.  Otherwise, I hope crow ages as well as a fine wine.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 21, 2006, 03:21:28 PM
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'124699\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 12:11 PM\']
Mark's in college and is at least a decade younger than you.  If he hasn't done anything worthwhile when he's your age, you win.  Otherwise, I hope crow ages as well as a fine wine.
[/quote]
And if that ends up being the case, I'll belly right up to the table and eat it gladly. Until then, I would suggest that he's in no position whatsoever to criticize anyone else's study habits.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on July 21, 2006, 04:58:54 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'124695\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 02:23 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'124671\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 11:24 AM\']
It was one of my favorite shows to watch while studying for college/high school exams...
[/quote]
Wow.
When I study for my exams, I don't watch TV.  Interesting study aid, there.
[/quote]

I see you have a "NAG NAG NAG" quota on here, too. That's good to know.

And hey, I'm a History Teacher, you know? How about that? I'm guessing all that T.V. does pay off in the end, eh Mark?

But back to the topic a-hand... I wonder if the last 5 epsiodes will be one show per epsiode? Like, #5 will be an hour, then the next day #4 gets an hour. I wouldn't be shocked if it were to happen in the future...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: JasonA1 on July 21, 2006, 05:01:02 PM
I don't agree with the forum tactics of Chris or Mark all the time, but this is something I brought up to Mark at least twice now. This is equivalent to somebody saying as an aside, "it wasn't a good show, but one I'd keep on while I was making dinner" and Mark replying "Well, I hope you didn't burn down your house trying to watch TV and cook are the same time. Idiot." Chris' reply is way harsher than what mine would have been.

Rather than get this thread closed for random attacks and arguing - STYD is a complete guilty pleasure for me, and one I'd watch often on GSN if they chose to rerun the Lifetime shows. I just missed the boat on getting PAX and only caught a month or so worth of the old shows before they started making new ones. Drat.

BTW, did somebody mention if the whole list was spoiled someplace? It just helps me determine what to tape and what not to tape.

-Jason
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on July 21, 2006, 05:03:50 PM
So far, only all of this week was spoiled. I'm sure someone may be able to get next week spoiled aswell.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 21, 2006, 05:21:53 PM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'124717\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 03:58 PM\']
And hey, I'm a History Teacher, you know? How about that? I'm guessing all that T.V. does pay off in the end, eh Mark? [/quote]
And from what I've seen on here...you're a poor excuse for a teacher, and probably kids in New York are a pack of idiots.

If TV helps the kid, so be it...but based on his posting history...he might do well to leave it off.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 21, 2006, 05:26:21 PM
Johnny Jacobs, what do we have for our departing player?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 21, 2006, 05:33:32 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'124730\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 04:26 PM\']
Johnny Jacobs, what do we have for our departing player?
[/quote]
This coming from the people that tells people to "go get laid".

Yeah, good one.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 21, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'124735\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 02:33 PM\']
This coming from the people that tells people to "go get laid".

Yeah, good one.
[/quote]
Yet, you thought better enough of it to edit your original post, didn't you?

Whatever, pal.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: FOXSportsFan on July 21, 2006, 07:07:22 PM
While Chris and Mark fight in the sandbox, I'll bring up the fact that I'm surprised still that STYD got an airing.  If Supermarket Sweep gets no mention, we riot, lol.  Should be interesting to see what does and doesn't make the list, but as of now, aside from a long running franchise like Truth or Consequences not being in at least 30th place on the list, no major complaints.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: beatlefreak84 on July 21, 2006, 07:21:33 PM
Well, all I can say is that I'm glad I got somebody to tape the shows for me, being without GSN here in corn country...:).  Although I wasn't the biggest fan of STYD, I will say that I've certainly seen worse (including that laughable excuse for a game show with Roberto), and I didn't mind watching it occasionally.  I'm interested to get a glimpse at the Pat Finn version again.

Oh, and I'm really looking forward to seeing that '70s TH; having only seen eps. from the '80s version, it'll be great to see how it all got "started."

I'll also throw a request out for one of our brethren (who are much more computer savvy than I...;) ) to find out what next week's shows are.  I'd rather not have somebody waste his/her time and tape Dog Eat Dog or the Larsen eps. of PYL for me, for example!  'Tis no big deal if I don't know in advance; after all, that's why the FF function exists...:).

Anthony
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: dzinkin on July 21, 2006, 07:44:37 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'124735\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 05:33 PM\']
This coming from the people that tells people to "go get laid".

Yeah, good one.
[/quote]
"You are a complete moron.  get lost.  get a woman.  get a life." -- Mark "Dsmith" Odor (http://\"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.game-shows/msg/7836359fa091b6ab\"), 10/26/02

Memo to Mr. Odor: this board was not in need of an example of meta-hypocrisy.  Be thankful that I didn't see the unedited post.

Now, I don't give two electric ones who started it (yes, I know who did, and it won't be forgotten)... enough of the pissing match.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: rebelwrest on July 22, 2006, 12:21:28 PM
I have learned a lot from this countdown

1.  Pat Finn isn't that bad as a host; it's just that some of the formats he was saddled with made him look bad.

2.  GSN has the rights to STYD, hoping that Shopping Spree gets aired sometime.

3.  I'm starting to appreciated the list TV Guide put out a lot more.

I kinda figured that if the creators of Game Show Network was going to talk to this countdown.  It would sound something like this.

"There is no way, NO way that you came from my loins. The first thing I'm gonna do when I get home is punch your momma in the mouth." (Sheriff Buford T. Justice, Smokey and the Bandit)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: snowpeck on July 22, 2006, 10:01:42 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'124788\' date=\'Jul 22 2006, 12:21 PM\']


2.  GSN has the rights to STYD, hoping that Shopping Spree gets aired sometime.

[/quote]


No they do not.  As far as I know, they only licensed the one episode.  Perhaps if it did well for them, they'll acquire more episodes, but as of right now they haven't.  

Greg
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Jeremy Nelson on July 22, 2006, 10:08:35 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'124788\' date=\'Jul 22 2006, 11:21 AM\']
I have learned a lot from this countdown

1.  Pat Finn isn't that bad as a host; it's just that some of the formats he was saddled with made him look bad.[/quote]

I totally agree with you on this one. I think Pat could have been seen in a better light with a different set of shows.

I wholeheartedly enjoyed that StyD episode. It was a nice change from the warehouse set, the horrible theme song lyrics, and those crappy, boring, wannabe pricing games.

Many probably thought StyD was bad enough with Pat. After a couple of years with J.D. Roberto's version, Pat's looks a whole lot better.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: mmb5 on July 23, 2006, 07:11:34 PM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'124674\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 12:35 PM\']
Yes, that was the third episode of '70s Treasure Hunt they've run.  Looks like I'll have to be updating my "What GSN has aired" online list soon!

As someone who's been GSN-less for two years, AGTOT?
[/quote]

Or, to get it more into the 21st century, AWTSAT (anyone willing to seed a torrent)?  For these kinds of things where it has negligible trade value but would be appreciated by the community, maybe we should start going this route?


--Mike
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on July 23, 2006, 07:52:06 PM
Here Here.  If someone's willing to cap the episode and get it initially uploaded, I'm more than willing to serve as a seed for it for however long needed, ensureing a copy's up for all who want it.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 24, 2006, 12:00:55 AM
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'124863\' date=\'Jul 23 2006, 04:11 PM\']
For these kinds of things where it has negligible trade value but would be appreciated by the community, maybe we should start going this route?
[/quote]
I have to admit, I said some time ago that I didn't think BitTorrent was a viable distribution method for These Shows Of Ours (taking a bit from the Spielfrieks board game list, where they refer to German board games as These Games Of Ours, or TGOO), but I appear to be being proven wrong. And happy to be so. Something like this would be an interesting pilot project.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: LocalH on July 24, 2006, 12:02:29 AM
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'124863\' date=\'Jul 23 2006, 07:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'124674\' date=\'Jul 21 2006, 12:35 PM\']
Yes, that was the third episode of '70s Treasure Hunt they've run.  Looks like I'll have to be updating my "What GSN has aired" online list soon!

As someone who's been GSN-less for two years, AGTOT?
[/quote]

Or, to get it more into the 21st century, AWTSAT (anyone willing to seed a torrent)?  For these kinds of things where it has negligible trade value but would be appreciated by the community, maybe we should start going this route?


--Mike
[/quote]
I say to hell with trade value - the game show trading community should switch over to digital video as their primary trading route. Mainly to put an end to generational loss, but also to make the more common stuff widely available for preservation's sake. I just recently got my copy of the PYL and SC pilots, for example, and they're in horrendous shape (especially the PYL pilot - both horizontal and vertical jitter all over the place). Preferably such captures should be made from the best quality possible, of course.

Also, whoever caps any game show eps - PLEASE DO NOT DEINTERLACE. Best route is to simply put it on DVD, that way the full temporal resolution is maintained (too many internet-distributed TV rips are deinterlaced and half of the frames are irretrievably lost).

Basically, I envision something like the Digital Archive Project (http://\"http://www.dapcentral.org/\"), except for game shows.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Joe Mello on July 24, 2006, 12:06:14 AM
I always thought STYD was pretty okay.  This newer version is a little grating, but they built a more just endgame (alternating running duties instead of handing it off to the guy), and that's normally what I tuned in for anyway.

I don't remember what year it was, but it had to be late in the run.  A lot of stuff done in the endgame was similar with what they use now.  Pat also sounded a little congested but that has nothing to do with anything.

As for the rest of the countdown, I can understand why 3's a Crowd is there and am not going to argue.  Studs seemed like it appeared only because of DeCarlo and I'm STILL trying to figure out what was so impressive about the Blockbusters episode.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: TLEberle on July 24, 2006, 01:15:23 AM
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'124806\' date=\'Jul 22 2006, 07:08 PM\']I wholeheartedly enjoyed that StyD episode. It was a nice change from the warehouse set, the horrible theme song lyrics, and those crappy, boring, wannabe pricing games.[/quote] As a kid, it was a fair-to-middling show that was smartly paired with Supermarket Sweep. From watching some of the very end of Pat's tenure, it seemed to be More of Same every day. How many different ways can you do the "We'll give you two choices for the price of each item. Pick the one you think is right? If you think the blender is $69, grab the monkey, if you think it's $89 then grab the giraffe"? At least earlier on they had that Product Pachinko thing which was interesting to watch for 45 seconds.

In essence, the show was a cross between "The Price is Right" and "Beat the Clock," and as good as neither. The "Shopper's Challenge Round" was the high point of each show, except the material asked wasn't all that challenging, and the endgame was as luck-based as anything Dan Enright could come up with.

Quote
Many probably thought StyD was bad enough with Pat. After a couple of years with J.D. Roberto's version, Pat's looks a whole lot better.
And if you were to compare my pile-of-parts car to a Radio Flyer, my car doesn't look so bad anymore. But it still sucks. :)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: curtking on July 24, 2006, 06:17:32 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'124892\' date=\'Jul 23 2006, 11:00 PM\']
I have to admit, I said some time ago that I didn't think BitTorrent was a viable distribution method for These Shows Of Ours (taking a bit from the Spielfrieks board game list, where they refer to German board games as These Games Of Ours, or TGOO), but I appear to be being proven wrong. And happy to be so. Something like this would be an interesting pilot project.
[/quote]
I've thought the same thing...but there are legal issues to consider.  It's one thing to download and seed, but another to run the tracker...

Curt
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on July 24, 2006, 07:01:41 AM
[quote name=\'curtking\' post=\'124919\' date=\'Jul 24 2006, 05:17 AM\']
 It's one thing to download and seed, but another to run the tracker...

Curt
[/quote]

Couldn't the file-in-question (or other files down the line) just be posted to a public tracker?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: curtking on July 24, 2006, 07:33:45 AM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'124921\' date=\'Jul 24 2006, 06:01 AM\']
Couldn't the file-in-question (or other files down the line) just be posted to a public tracker?
[/quote]
Absolutely...but I got the impression from Chris' post that he was suggesting a GS-centric torrent site.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 24, 2006, 09:11:43 AM
[quote name=\'curtking\' post=\'124922\' date=\'Jul 24 2006, 04:33 AM\']
Absolutely...but I got the impression from Chris' post that he was suggesting a GS-centric torrent site.
[/quote]
Oh, nonono, not in the least. All I was saying is that maybe sharing these things via Torrent is more of a viable method than I originally thought.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: mmb5 on July 25, 2006, 12:54:51 PM
OK, it looks like I've picked up some traction here.  But we still need to decide a few things before we can move forward, I'll start with the big two:

1. What torrent site to use?  UKNova is obviously out.  I'm not familiar with much of the others rather than occasional hit-and-run when I forgot to set the TiVo.  Suggestions?!?

2. What do we consider acceptable caps?  To me, unless we are dealing with a show we are not dealing with original source material (e.g.: trading circuit stuff), I would consider nothing less than a DVD-quality MPEG (roughly 250 MB per half hour).  However, some people may not be as picky.

Discuss.


--Mike
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 25, 2006, 01:00:21 PM
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'125096\' date=\'Jul 25 2006, 09:54 AM\']
1. What torrent site to use?  UKNova is obviously out.  I'm not familiar with much of the others rather than occasional hit-and-run when I forgot to set the TiVo.  Suggestions?!?
[/quote]
What's wrong with MiniNova? Everyone else seems to use it.
Quote
2. What do we consider acceptable caps?  To me, unless we are dealing with a show we are not dealing with original source material (e.g.: trading circuit stuff), I would consider nothing less than a DVD-quality MPEG (roughly 250 MB per half hour).  However, some people may not be as picky.
Xvid? Or is that what you're referring to? Hour shows tend to be about 360 MB, but that's with ads cut out so it's about 40 minutes running time.

(Speaking of, can anyone recommend a good idiotproofed program or tutorial that will convert a given video file to Xvid, of the quality used on most torrent sites? I'd love to encode better but I don't seem to be able to get the hang of exactly what settings to do it at.)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: curtking on July 25, 2006, 01:29:40 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125098\' date=\'Jul 25 2006, 12:00 PM\']
(Speaking of, can anyone recommend a good idiotproofed program or tutorial that will convert a given video file to Xvid, of the quality used on most torrent sites? I'd love to encode better but I don't seem to be able to get the hang of exactly what settings to do it at.)
[/quote]
This may not answer your question directly, but:

If you've already got it in another format (MPEG, etc.) and want to get it to XviD, MediaCoder (http://\"http://mediacoder.sourceforge.net/\") is a good option.

MediaCoder is pretty quick to encode a file and will handle just about any format, but the interface is a little tricky.  You can tweak almost everything and I'm never sure when I'm using the best settings.

To get it from a DVD to XviD, I use DVD Decrypter to convert to a VOB file.  From there, I use Auto Gordian Knot (http://\"http://www.autogk.me.uk/\") to get it to XviD. (AutoGK can handle MPEG-1, MPEG-2, and AVI inputs as well as VOB.)

The beauty of AutoGK is that you can get as deep as you want with tweaking the settings, but you don't have to.  The only thing you really have to specify is the target size of the output file.  For my own caps, I aim for 8MB per minute of video.

I've found some assistance using the tutorials at videohelp.com (http://\"http://www.videohelp.com/\").  They've got a pretty good "How To" section.

Curt
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 25, 2006, 01:35:54 PM
Good stuff, Curt. I will definitely take a closer look at both of those. I'd heard of Gordian Knot, but didn't know there was an "Auto" flavor. Thanks for taking the time to post!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Scott on July 25, 2006, 10:15:32 PM
#41: The $1.98 Beauty Show.  GSN takes us back to its glory days to start week 2.

#40: Twenty-One, but as GSN doesn't own this one, it gets a passing mention.

#39: GE College Bowl, which also gets a passing mention.

#38: Whammy?!  Good night!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: itiparanoid13 on July 25, 2006, 10:32:00 PM
I swear to god if Whammy ranks above Russian Roulette....
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 25, 2006, 10:33:42 PM
Well, tonight was a waste of time.

Shoulda gone to the bar instead.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Allstar87 on July 25, 2006, 10:47:53 PM
Sheesh, when they started talking about GE College Bowl, I thought GSN was going to air that. But then they cut right to Whammy. Shame; I've never seen GE College Bowl, and would've liked to see just how good it was.

All in all, this was one of the weaker nights.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: rebelwrest on July 25, 2006, 11:01:08 PM
I'm starting to think I wasted a trip to the Family Dollar to pick up two blank video cassettes to tape this.  Does anyone know where a complete list of the countdown is.  The episodes of Treasure Hunters are looking better than this countdown.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Joe Mello on July 26, 2006, 12:04:55 AM
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'125174\' date=\'Jul 25 2006, 10:47 PM\']
Sheesh, when they started talking about GE College Bowl, I thought GSN was going to air that. But then they cut right to Whammy. Shame; I've never seen GE College Bowl, and would've liked to see just how good it was.[/quote]

As did I, but I think that it would've been incredibly dull, assuming that there's no appreciable difference from the modern-day College Bowls used.

However, if they did show one of their ties, I think it would've been moderately interesting.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: aaron sica on July 26, 2006, 12:05:56 AM
My DVR didn't get all of it because of a storm tonight which threw it off.

I have no complaints.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on July 26, 2006, 01:10:15 AM
$1.98 Beauty Show: I liked the show, actually. I spent more time laughing at the idiotic contestants than actually paying attention much to the show. Rip Taylor was terrific and hilarious, in his own way.

Whammy: Bleh, I wouldn't care, but it wasn't even a big epsiode! It was just a run-of-the-mill epsiode. I mean, it happens all the time! Thumbs in the middle tonight.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Craig Karlberg on July 26, 2006, 03:46:05 AM
After last week, I was hoping for some more goodies.  Instead, week 2 started off with a "klunker" in The $1.98 Beauty Show(#41).  Juat seeing the title made me change the channel untill the next show came on.

Well, I'd figured they snuck Whammy! in there at #38.  Just another typical episode here.  I always wondered why Todd Newton got pegged for this show.  He was so loud, you can hear him over the audience reactions at times, maybe drowning them out.

I wouldn't mind seeing Twenty-One(#40) if it was the 2000 version or even the original.  Somehow, Ild guess Dwyer made a passing reference to the original.

Same way with GE College Bowl(#39).  Even ir it wasn't aired, I'm sure Matt O. wouldn't mind a passing mention.  After all, it was a pioneer in team quiz shows or maybe not.

Let's hope things get better with #37.  Surely there can't be 2 consecutive "bad" nights.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: ChrisLambert! on July 26, 2006, 06:48:28 AM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'125191\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 12:05 AM\']
My DVR didn't get all of it because of a storm tonight which threw it off.

I have no complaints.
[/quote]

Now THAT'S "a perfect storm."

ObThisListSucks: It does.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Ian Wallis on July 26, 2006, 09:02:46 AM
Wow...$1.98 Beauty Show ahead of Truth or Consequences and Tattletales.  Unbelievable!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: aaron sica on July 26, 2006, 09:53:33 AM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'125210\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 09:02 AM\']
Wow...$1.98 Beauty Show ahead of Truth or Consequences and Tattletales.  Unbelievable!
[/quote]

No, it's believable. Further proves the point that it's "The 50 Greatest Game Shows that GSN has access to, with some other ones thrown in for mention".
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 26, 2006, 10:16:06 AM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'125216\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 06:53 AM\']
No, it's believable. Further proves the point that it's "The 50 Greatest Game Shows that GSN has access to, with some other ones thrown in for mention".
[/quote]
I'm still flabbergasted that any right-thinking person would have believed otherwise.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Tim L on July 26, 2006, 10:29:26 AM
My thought is..It seems that GSN could have licensed one show from each that they don't have in their vault..we could still agree or disagree with the top 50, but at least the presentation would feel more complete..BTW..No way Whammy is in the top 50 or Studs even
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: aaron sica on July 26, 2006, 11:26:17 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125217\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 10:16 AM\']
I'm still flabbergasted that any right-thinking person would have believed otherwise.
[/quote]

You and me both.

I have my DVR taping it to see the older, non-GSN original shows, and also ones that aren't on the regular schedule (i.e. "Tattletales"). I am also thinking my DVR did me a favor last night, not getting all of it. :)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on July 26, 2006, 11:39:46 AM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'125219\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 11:26 AM\']I have my DVR taping it to see the older, non-GSN original shows, and also ones that aren't on the regular schedule (i.e. "Tattletales"). I am also thinking my DVR did me a favor last night, not getting all of it. :)[/quote]
Am I really the only one who got a hoot out of seeing $1.98?  It's not in my top fifty, or even 100.  Heck, it's not even a game show.  Still, I'd prefer to revel in its badness and thank GSN for giving us something offbeat than whine about its place in GSN's imaginary rankings.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SRIV94 on July 26, 2006, 11:47:25 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'125220\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 10:39 AM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'125219\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 11:26 AM\']I have my DVR taping it to see the older, non-GSN original shows, and also ones that aren't on the regular schedule (i.e. "Tattletales"). I am also thinking my DVR did me a favor last night, not getting all of it. :)[/quote]
Am I really the only one who got a hoot out of seeing $1.98?  It's not in my top fifty, or even 100.  Heck, it's not even a game show.  Still, I'd prefer to revel in its badness and thank GSN for giving us something offbeat than whine about its place in GSN's imaginary rankings.
[/quote]
You're not the only one.  I was about to comment on that, but you beat me to the punch.

When it originally aired in 1978 (I never got the second season--but GSN eventually showed the 1979 eps in the course of their run), I didn't appreciate it for being a spoof (much like I didn't appreciate GONG for being a spoof--even if GONG was more of a legitimate competition than $1.98).  If I knew then what I know now, and all that.  Still, I also got a kick out of it.

Doug -- and the countdown to 2100 continues
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: uncamark on July 26, 2006, 12:37:48 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'125220\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 10:39 AM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'125219\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 11:26 AM\']I have my DVR taping it to see the older, non-GSN original shows, and also ones that aren't on the regular schedule (i.e. "Tattletales"). I am also thinking my DVR did me a favor last night, not getting all of it. :)[/quote]
Am I really the only one who got a hoot out of seeing $1.98?  It's not in my top fifty, or even 100.  Heck, it's not even a game show.  Still, I'd prefer to revel in its badness and thank GSN for giving us something offbeat than whine about its place in GSN's imaginary rankings.
[/quote]

And it was good to have a first season show, if only to hear Johnny Jacobs' S&P-required opening about it being a parody of "those so-called beauty pageants."

In fact, the highlight of the whole series consistently was Jacobs' voice-overs on the swimsuit competition.  Yes, I know Rick Kellard and Larry Spencer wrote them, but Jacobs delivered them perfectly.

And I appreciate that GSN waited for Rip to finish his rendition of the "You win the prize..." song before going into squeezeback mode.

"$1.98" may've been stupid, but you have to admire Barris & Co. for not trying to palm it off for anything other than what it was.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cmjb13 on July 26, 2006, 01:08:39 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'125220\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 11:39 AM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'125219\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 11:26 AM\']I have my DVR taping it to see the older, non-GSN original shows, and also ones that aren't on the regular schedule (i.e. "Tattletales"). I am also thinking my DVR did me a favor last night, not getting all of it. :)[/quote]
Am I really the only one who got a hoot out of seeing $1.98?  It's not in my top fifty, or even 100.  Heck, it's not even a game show.  Still, I'd prefer to revel in its badness and thank GSN for giving us something offbeat than whine about its place in GSN's imaginary rankings.
[/quote]
It's a wash for me either way. Most of us have already seen it (on the schedule, what 4 years ago?), but I'm sure there are a few who have not.

GSN could have put something else in that slot that is just as obscure that hasn't aired in a while.

But you can't please everybody...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 26, 2006, 01:15:12 PM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'125235\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 10:08 AM\']
I think the criticism comes from that GSN could have put something else in that slot that is just as obscure that hasn't aired in a while.
[/quote]
My criticism comes from the fact that it's NOT EVEN A FRIGGIN' GAME SHOW.

The whole thing was scripted. Every last ounce of it. I mean, you can't even make the idiotic American Idol or World Series Of Go Fish arguments. Even Casey Abell would agree that this isn't a friggin' game show.

I'm frankly impressed that, between this and Studs, GSN managed to render their list completely and utterly irrelevant inside of the bottom ten entries.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SteveRep on July 26, 2006, 03:08:44 PM
So, does this mean they're likely to consider Password, Password Plus and Super Password as seperate entities each with their own spot in the lineup?

They have the rights to all three, so probably so. :P I was holding out hope that all sequels, reincarnations, enhancements, etc., of an original premise would be lumped in together and ranked as one entity.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on July 26, 2006, 03:34:50 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'125220\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 11:39 AM\']
Am I really the only one who got a hoot out of seeing $1.98?  It's not in my top fifty, or even 100.  Heck, it's not even a game show.  Still, I'd prefer to revel in its badness and thank GSN for giving us something offbeat than whine about its place in GSN's imaginary rankings.
[/quote]

Beat 'ya to it, Matt. I never saw the show before, but I can see why it appeals to some and not to others. I really LIKED the show in a "oh jeez, what a mess" way. It was good for a lot of laughs and everyone looked like they were having the time of their lives. It was all done in a "We, including the contestants KNOW this is all a joke, so why not have some fun doing it all?", sort of way. I'd certainly like to see it again, if it were to come up...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Ian Wallis on July 26, 2006, 03:39:24 PM
To be honest, I frequently watched the show when it was originally on.  Being in my early-mid teens then, usually there were a few good reasons each show to tune in...  :)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on July 26, 2006, 03:43:37 PM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'125252\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 03:39 PM\']
To be honest, I frequently watched the show when it was originally on.  Being in my early-mid teens then, usually there were a few good reasons each show to tune in...  :)
[/quote]

Oh yeah, I forgot about contestant number five from last night...:P
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: aaron sica on July 26, 2006, 03:52:38 PM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'125249\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 03:34 PM\']
Beat 'ya to it, Matt. I never saw the show before, but I can see why it appeals to some and not to others. I really LIKED the show in a "oh jeez, what a mess" way. It was good for a lot of laughs and everyone looked like they were having the time of their lives. It was all done in a "We, including the contestants KNOW this is all a joke, so why not have some fun doing it all?", sort of way. I'd certainly like to see it again, if it were to come up...
[/quote]

Considering you're from NY, I can so hear "oh jeez, what a mess" in my mind with an Archie Bunker voice. :)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: CaseyAbell on July 26, 2006, 06:50:39 PM
Quote
Even Casey Abell would agree that this isn't a friggin' game show.
Can't agree or disagree. Never seen the show, including the episode last night. Does have an entry in EOTVGS, so somebody thought it was a game show. Of course, EOTVGS has an entry for Home Run Derby.

By the way, the GSN fifty greatest series has its own Wikipedia entry now, though somebody put it up for deletion. The keep votes are winning easy.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 26, 2006, 06:55:23 PM
[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' post=\'125280\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 03:50 PM\']
Quote
Even Casey Abell would agree that this isn't a friggin' game show.
Can't agree or disagree. Never seen the show, including the episode last night. Does have an entry in EOTVGS, so somebody thought it was a game show. Of course, EOTVGS has an entry for Home Run Derby.
[/quote]
Put it this way: Home Run Derby is more of a game show than $1.98 is, because at least with Home Run Derby there is a legitimate spontaneous competition taking place.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Scott on July 26, 2006, 10:04:37 PM
Greed slides in at #37, and GSN treats us to Curtis Warren's Million Dollar Moment.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: rebelwrest on July 26, 2006, 10:34:49 PM
Timeline of Wednesday Night July 26, 2006

9PM Watch American Masters: Walter Cronkite

9:55 Warm up VCR and turn to GSN

10:00 Discover it is an episode of Greed

10:01 Turn off VCR and turn back to American Masters

Next week if you are interested, American Masters: Edward R. Murrow
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Ryanmo97 on July 26, 2006, 10:51:09 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'125167\' date=\'Jul 25 2006, 10:15 PM\']
#41: The $1.98 Beauty Show.  GSN takes us back to its glory days to start week 2.

#40: Twenty-One, but as GSN doesn't own this one, it gets a passing mention.

#39: GE College Bowl, which also gets a passing mention.

#38: Whammy?!  Good night!
[/quote]

I was going to ask for a trade of last night's episode because I forgot it was on. But, after seeing what I missed, I'll just wait to see if GSN shows the specials again.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cacLA8383 on July 26, 2006, 10:59:33 PM
And to add on to this:

Remote Control came in at #36 and Beat the Clock at #35 with just mere mentions.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on July 26, 2006, 11:07:59 PM
Okay, this makes no sense here. Did they REALLY have to show the full epsiode? Besides the part where Curtis wins the money, it wasn't a notable epsiode at all. It makes me sad that Beat The Clock got only a mere mention. At one part, I was going to still give it up a thumbs night. All because of the mention of Remote Control, but the fact that they aired an epsiode of Greed that was on two months ago (And will be on again in two months anyway.), instead of only showing the portion of Curtis/an epsiode of Beat The Clock, makes it a thumbs down for me. First time on this special for me, that I really felt like changing the channel...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: bwood on July 26, 2006, 11:26:01 PM
Big letdown for me tonight. Wish they would have just mentioned Greed (since it's on all of the time) and aired an episode of BTC and Remote Control (assuming that they could have leased one episode like most peolple think they did with STYD). I don't think airing the episode of RC would be a hassle....didn't
VH1Classic dig them out for air not too long ago, promo it, then never do so? I would like to see RC turn up again someday.
Hopefully this week isn't a total loss, and we get something good Thursday.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Joe Mello on July 27, 2006, 12:20:10 AM
You know, I bet you right here that I can name the Top 3 shows on this list.  #3, I'm not sure with, but you can put the top 2 in the bank right next to my prediction of the 2K6 Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest and my prediction of this year's Emmy for Reality Show (Race)

#3: Lingo
#2: The Price is Right
#1: Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?

Whereas the TV Guide list seemed to unnecessarily include a lot of old shows, I'm banking on this list to skew towards the "Money Demo" (men 18-34).  This way you can put up the following excuse: "The Price is Right has been on forever, but hasn't really done anything.  Millionaire actually DID something."

It's a crap excuse but if you couldn't choose Price as the greatest of all time, it's a decent back-up.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: LocalH on July 27, 2006, 12:37:23 AM
It's things like this that make me secure in the fact that such a special would be a much better production if handled by the sensible people in the game show scene. Even considering the fact that it would be illegal without getting permission from the rights holders, I still say we could do heaps better than GSN. I managed to catch that Greed was the show to get tonight's full-ep treatment, so I never cared to see which shows got the shaft. To hear afterwards that BTC got the shaft is making me think that some really deserving shows will be getting the shaft once we get closer to the top 10. Put it this way - I'm a huge PYL fan, but if PYL gets a full ep (as one would expect) and TPiR doesn't, then I will have lost what little faith I have in GSN's production values. Of course, I've been somewhat expecting this since the first couple of hours, but the further we get into this series of programs, the less I expect.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Jeremy Nelson on July 27, 2006, 01:57:29 AM
Well, Bill said that Greed was only the first of 4 Chuck Woolery hosted shows that made the countdown. So...of Love Connection, Lingo, Scrabble, and Wheel, which is the odd one out?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 27, 2006, 02:15:24 AM
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'125316\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 10:57 PM\']
Well, Bill said that Greed was only the first of 4 Chuck Woolery hosted shows that made the countdown. So...of Love Connection, Lingo, Scrabble, and Wheel, which is the odd one out?
[/quote]
They're gonna associate Wheel with Sajak.

(That said, it SHOULD be Love Connection, since it isn't a game show.)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Craig Karlberg on July 27, 2006, 03:28:57 AM
Something tells me this night was nothing more than a rehash of a Greed episode that airs on GSN regularly anyways.  Sure enough, #37 gave us the infamous Curtis Warren("That Hair Guy") Million Dollar Moment.  I was hoping this got skipped, but no such luck.  At least it wasn't the Chuck Woolery question debacle that's for sure.  Otherwise, I would've snapped.

As for the others, I didn't mind Remote Control(#36) getting a passing mention because I caught a whole episode on YouTube this week.  Beat The Clock(#35) might've gone both ways since it's aired on late nights at 3 AM here in the East anyways.

I just hope they sneak in a Scrabble episode either tonight or next Tuesday as part of the Chuck Woolery parade of shows.  I'm sure Lingo's there.  Love Connection is really the issue with me right now.  We'll see what happens next starting at #34.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on July 27, 2006, 03:41:48 AM
If I remember correctly, there's a half-hour episode of Greed GSN's never aired because they didn't have a slot for it. Considering they OBVIOUSLY have BTC, it would have been the perfect time to air, and they could have then shown BTC after that.

I'm beginning to understand why this week didn't hit the listings services.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: BrandonFG on July 27, 2006, 07:16:16 AM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'125320\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 03:28 AM\']
At least it wasn't the Chuck Woolery question debacle that's for sure.  Otherwise, I would've snapped.[/quote]
Gee, another TV for you to throw out the window.

[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\']
If I remember correctly, there's a half-hour episode of Greed GSN's never aired because they didn't have a slot for it.[/quote]
I wanna say the half-hour ep. was "That 70s Greed", but I can't remember.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: sshuffield70 on July 27, 2006, 08:56:51 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'125324\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 06:16 AM\']
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\']
If I remember correctly, there's a half-hour episode of Greed GSN's never aired because they didn't have a slot for it.[/quote]
I wanna say the half-hour ep. was "That 70s Greed", but I can't remember.
[/quote]

Saw it originally and can confirm it.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cmjb13 on July 27, 2006, 09:10:55 AM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'125326\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 08:56 AM\']Saw it originally and can confirm it.
[/quote]
Anyone know what the issue is on why this episode is skipped?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on July 27, 2006, 09:14:22 AM
...Well, under *normal* circumstances, the show is only a half-hour long.  All the remainder of the Greed episodes run either 1 or 2 hours, and thus can be split into nice hourlong blocks.  But there's just no way to air the half hour show in the normal run.

As for last night? Not a clue.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on July 27, 2006, 09:45:10 AM
This series is somewhat disappointing.  For some reason, I expected a little more depth.  Why does "Greed" merit the better part of an hour of airtime and BTC one minute?  Every possible show in the top 50 could have been better represented by a short clip with just a little effort on the part of GSN.  I understand the desire of collectors for those complete shows, but I don't think we'll be seeing anything too rare from here on out.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Sonic Whammy on July 27, 2006, 11:46:30 AM
Yeah, that disappointed me, too, seeing Beat the Clock only get a minute of acknowledgement. Depending on what they show tonight, I would have much rather they just acknowledged Remore Control, start tonight with Clock, and so on. The show deserved so much more. Didn't even have to show the $64K win if you didn't want to. Any show would've stood on its own as being great.

So far, to date, here's my early thoughts on the first 16 and where they deserved to be...

50 - Three's A Crowd - OFF THE SCALE
49 - Tresaure Hunt - ABOUT THE SAME
48 - Blockbusters - HIGHER
47 - Studs - OFF THE SCALE
46 - Hollywood Showdown - ABOUT THE SAME
45 - Shop Til You Drop - OFF THE SCALE
44 - Truth or Consequences - HIGHER
43 - Tattletales - ABOUT THE SAME
42 - Queen for a Day - ABOUT THE SAME
41 - $1.98 Beauty Show - OFF THE SCALE (Oh GOD!, what were they thinking)
40 - Twenty-One - ABOUT THE SAME
39 - G.E. College Bowl - HIGHER (Did Bill ever find Swarthmore yet? ;-P )
38 - Whammy - ABOUT THE SAME (See? I'm not playing favorites. But I want to see what beats it.)
37 - Greed - ABOUT THE SAME
36 - Remote Control - LOWER (but kinda cool to see it)
35 - Beat the Clock - HIGHER

We'll see where the rest goes.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: FeudDude on July 27, 2006, 12:02:14 PM
GSN has found slots for some half-hour Millionaire episodes (including John Carpenter's win), so I don't see why they couldn't sneak that half-hour Greed in somewhere.

And Whammy! should've been off the scale - not so much because it sucks, but because it's a revival.   This whole week has been pretty disappointing so far.  Hopefully tonight we'll get some goodies.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: beatlefreak84 on July 27, 2006, 12:07:28 PM
Quote
GSN has found slots for some half-hour Millionaire episodes (including John Carpenter's win), so I don't see why they couldn't sneak that half-hour Greed in somewhere.

I think the main difference with Millionaire is that there are many half-hour episodes, and so stringing two together in the usual block is no problem.  Greed, on the other hand, only has that one half-hour episode, and so that would leave GSN trying to find something nice to put in the block along with it.

However, I don't see why they couldn't air that half-hour episode along with a half-hour of Millionaire and be done with it; the two shows are clearly related.

At least we'd get to see an episode of Greed not already run 12,564 times...:)

Anthony
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: sshuffield70 on July 27, 2006, 12:08:26 PM
[quote name=\'FeudDude\' post=\'125343\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 11:02 AM\']
GSN has found slots for some half-hour Millionaire episodes (including John Carpenter's win), so I don't see why they couldn't sneak that half-hour Greed in somewhere.

And Whammy! should've been off the scale - not so much because it sucks, but because it's a revival.   This whole week has been pretty disappointing so far.  Hopefully tonight we'll get some goodies.
[/quote]

Right, but there were more than a few half hour eps.  ISTR close to 30 during the first few runs.  In the case of Greed, there is exactly one half hour show.  Where do you propose to put it on a schedule?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: FeudDude on July 27, 2006, 12:24:18 PM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'125346\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 12:08 PM\']
Right, but there were more than a few half hour eps.  ISTR close to 30 during the first few runs.  In the case of Greed, there is exactly one half hour show.  Where do you propose to put it on a schedule?
[/quote]

I remember a few cases where they placed a half-hour Millionaire after a 90-minute Amazing Race, so there's one possibility.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: entguy1 on July 27, 2006, 12:43:27 PM
For the GSN-impaired among us, can someone post the list (or a link to it)?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 27, 2006, 12:52:46 PM
[quote name=\'entguy1\' post=\'125351\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 11:43 AM\']
For the GSN-impaired among us, can someone post the list (or a link to it)?
[/quote]
Go back to post #236, and you'll find one.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: catnap1972 on July 27, 2006, 01:42:20 PM
[quote name=\'FeudDude\' post=\'125349\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 12:24 PM\']
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'125346\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 12:08 PM\']
Right, but there were more than a few half hour eps.  ISTR close to 30 during the first few runs.  In the case of Greed, there is exactly one half hour show.  Where do you propose to put it on a schedule?
[/quote]

I remember a few cases where they placed a half-hour Millionaire after a 90-minute Amazing Race, so there's one possibility.
[/quote]

Couldn't they fill an hour with 1/2 hour of the show (Greed) plus a half an hour of commercials (or haven't the GSN monkeys figured out how to do that yet?)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cmjb13 on July 27, 2006, 02:32:30 PM
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'125316\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 01:57 AM\']
Well, Bill said that Greed was only the first of 4 Chuck Woolery hosted shows that made the countdown. So...of Love Connection, Lingo, Scrabble, and Wheel, which is the odd one out?
[/quote]
With the way this countdown is going, it wouldn't suprise me for them to show the Dating Game.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SRIV94 on July 27, 2006, 02:57:28 PM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'125362\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 01:32 PM\']
With the way this countdown is going, it wouldn't suprise me for them to show the Dating Game.
[/quote]
I think DATING makes the cut, but with Lange at the helm (there's too many choice moments from that show for them to ignore that version--GSN may be strange, but not that strange).

Doug -- and the countdown to 2100 continues
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: uncamark on July 27, 2006, 03:56:32 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'125366\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 01:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'125362\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 01:32 PM\']
With the way this countdown is going, it wouldn't suprise me for them to show the Dating Game.
[/quote]
I think DATING makes the cut, but with Lange at the helm (there's too many choice moments from that show for them to ignore that version--GSN may be strange, but not that strange).

[/quote]

And I predict the show they'll run will be either:

a)  Steve Martin
b)  Richard Dawson
c)  Andy Kaufman
d)  Bob Saget
e)  Paul Lynde or
f)   Michael Jackson

Meanwhile, let's remember--"Greatest" lists are by their very nature subjective and capricious.  This one is no exception--and for me any of these entries could be argued in favor of making the list save the GSN originals.

My only complaint is that I would've preferred more of a clipfest with commentary (even if it is imitating the backbone of VH1) than how they're handling it, especially since they're not going out of their way to get one-shot licenses, save "STYD."  But that's how they're going to handle it and we just have to deal with it for the next few weeks.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 27, 2006, 04:09:28 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'125369\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 12:56 PM\']
Meanwhile, let's remember--"Greatest" lists are by their very nature subjective and capricious.  This one is no exception--and for me any of these entries could be argued in favor of making the list save the GSN originals.
[/quote]
Please, offer the argument in favor of $1.98. I _really_ want to hear it.
Quote
But that's how they're going to handle it and we just have to deal with it for the next few weeks.
Or, alternately, you could not watch, like I'm doing.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: uncamark on July 27, 2006, 04:23:51 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125374\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 03:09 PM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'125369\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 12:56 PM\']
Meanwhile, let's remember--"Greatest" lists are by their very nature subjective and capricious.  This one is no exception--and for me any of these entries could be argued in favor of making the list save the GSN originals.
[/quote]
Please, offer the argument in favor of $1.98. I _really_ want to hear it.[/quote]

The best argument I could make is that it's part of Barris outrageousness at its near-pinnacle, only to be topped by "3AC."  I could state that the entire Barris portfolio of 1978-79 could be given as an example, but that "$1.98," as the new show in that equation, could be the symbol.  But I could also agree that it didn't really belong in the 50.

'3AC"'s claim to the 50, as I see it, is as the show that temporarily brought Barris down--although some stations were uncomfortable with "TDG" and "TNG," it was "3AC"'s crashing and burning that caused him to shut down completely in 1980--and even though he was back a year later with "Treasure Hunt," everything he did after that until he sold the company that got on the air was remakes of his most popular shows.  (Neither "$1 Million Talent Show" nor "Comedy Court" got beyond pilot.)  That one show could do what "3AC" did to him makes it notable, if admittedly not "Great."
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 27, 2006, 04:32:55 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'125380\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 01:23 PM\']
The best argument I could make is that it's part of Barris outrageousness at its near-pinnacle, only to be topped by "3AC."  I could state that the entire Barris portfolio of 1978-79 could be given as an example, but that "$1.98," as the new show in that equation, could be the symbol.
[/quote]
But none of that gets past the very basic notion that it's not a game show.

If I'm doing a list of the 50 best fruits, I do not get to include a carrot, no matter how good a carrot it might be.
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Post by: Allstar87 on July 27, 2006, 05:51:04 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'125369\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 03:56 PM\']
And I predict the show they'll run will be either:

a)  Steve Martin
b)  Richard Dawson
[/quote]

Weren't those two in the same episode, or am I mistaken?
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Post by: FOXSportsFan on July 27, 2006, 10:02:34 PM
Okay there's completely subjective and completely ridiculous.

Dog Eat Dog beating Sale of the Century...let the b*tching begin!
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Post by: Scott on July 27, 2006, 10:03:30 PM
OK, now it's just getting stupid.  #35, Sale of the Century, doesn't get a full episode (I was kinda hoping it would once Bill mentioned it), and yet Dog Eat Dog, at #34, gets the Greed treatment.
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Post by: rebelwrest on July 27, 2006, 10:03:58 PM
NOT WORTH IT ON THURSDAY

GSN tempted us by mentioning Sale of the Century with some pictures for #34

but it is Dog Eat Dog for #33

Looks like I'm watching the World Series of Pop Culture
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 27, 2006, 10:04:32 PM
See, I like seeing the good in everything.
The good is, GSN lets me save my tapes until next week!
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Post by: Queen of Nerdocrombesia on July 27, 2006, 10:17:05 PM
Isn't it funny (in a "you cannot be serious" way) that last night at 9, GSN aired "Dog Eat Dog" with "Greed" at 10 and tonight it's vice versa?  I was really hoping to see $ale again.

Well, back to Pat Kiernan...
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Post by: catnap1972 on July 27, 2006, 10:29:23 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'125424\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 10:04 PM\']
See, I like seeing the good in everything.
The good is, GSN lets me save my tapes until next week!
[/quote]

Something tells me you may end up saving most of those tapes even longer.  Aside from $20,000 Pyramid and the blue set TTTT (which was teased in the promos), I think most of the rest will be the same recycled garbage from the current schedule.
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Post by: catnap1972 on July 27, 2006, 10:30:56 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'125422\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 10:03 PM\']

GSN tempted us by mentioning Sale of the Century with some pictures for #34

but it is Dog Eat Dog for #33

[/quote]

Which pretty much answers the question about whether or not monkeys smoke crack.
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Post by: sshuffield70 on July 27, 2006, 10:37:23 PM
[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'125357\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 12:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'FeudDude\' post=\'125349\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 12:24 PM\']
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'125346\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 12:08 PM\']
Right, but there were more than a few half hour eps.  ISTR close to 30 during the first few runs.  In the case of Greed, there is exactly one half hour show.  Where do you propose to put it on a schedule?
[/quote]

I remember a few cases where they placed a half-hour Millionaire after a 90-minute Amazing Race, so there's one possibility.
[/quote]

Couldn't they fill an hour with 1/2 hour of the show (Greed) plus a half an hour of commercials (or haven't the GSN monkeys figured out how to do that yet?)
[/quote]

Well, the smart thing here (and remember I said smart) would have been to play the 1/2 hour Greed, and paired that with BTC (which, of course, they have).
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Post by: SRIV94 on July 27, 2006, 10:37:52 PM
[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'125431\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 09:29 PM\']
Something tells me you may end up saving most of those tapes even longer.  Aside from $20,000 Pyramid and the blue set TTTT (which was teased in the promos), I think most of the rest will be the same recycled garbage from the current schedule.
[/quote]
Not necessarily.  A more thorough check of the promo shows that GONG, DATING and TJW are expected to be among the list, and the press release mentions that a Marshall HSq, a Thom McKee TTD and a classic NEWLYWED will be shown as well.  PASSWORD6x is also included in the promo (although the press release refers to P+ making the cut--they may include both or just include one).

So there just might be a few gems still on the horizon.  And if not, c'est la vie.

Doug -- and the countdown to 2100 continues
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Post by: LocalH on July 27, 2006, 10:39:54 PM
I should have known better than to have actually hoped they'd air an ep of Sale. Instead, more of the same garbage.
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Post by: clemon79 on July 27, 2006, 10:42:54 PM
Honestly, folks, are we gonna bitch and moan all the way to #1? It's been established that this list is a joke. Why be surprised and appalled as it progresses?
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on July 27, 2006, 11:05:39 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125440\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 10:42 PM\']
Honestly, folks, are we gonna bitch and moan all the way to #1? It's been established that this list is a joke. Why be surprised and appalled as it progresses?
[/quote]


I'm kinda looking forward to the last show at 10:59pm, when Bil says "You just saw show #2 'Wheel of Fortune.'  The number one show is 'The Price Is Right.' Well, g'night everyone!"
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Post by: clemon79 on July 27, 2006, 11:27:04 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'125444\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 08:05 PM\']
I'm kinda looking forward to the last show at 10:59pm, when Bil says "You just saw show #2 'Wheel of Fortune.'  The number one show is 'The Price Is Right.' Well, g'night everyone!"
[/quote]
And that is exactly why, as I said before, it will be Jeopardy.
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Post by: aaron sica on July 27, 2006, 11:32:52 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125440\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 10:42 PM\']
Honestly, folks, are we gonna bitch and moan all the way to #1? It's been established that this list is a joke. Why be surprised and appalled as it progresses?
[/quote]

As I stated before, I'm setting the DVR to tape each one (and erase it after I watch it or find out what the show is), but I can't say I'm disappointed in most of what's been offered so far. With the exception of Tattletales, and Treasure Hunt, they've all been duds (not counting shows that you can see on GSN). You'll have this at the bottom of a countdown list.

/The accents that the Friday Movie Night on TV Land people have annoy the piss out of me
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Post by: Jeremy Nelson on July 27, 2006, 11:34:27 PM
I could have stuck with Dog Eat Dog tonight for the mere fact that the WSoPC was ruined tonight.

Scrabble's not too far behind: next Wednesday, perhaps?

I'm not even pissed that GSN is not showing stuff they don't own; it's just that this didn't seem well though out at all. Jim Perry, who hosted Card Sharks and $ale of the Century for nearly 10 years combined, is a step behind Brooke Burke. Guys, it seems that the "T&A beats Q&A" method of selection no longer applies to just contestants.
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Post by: FeudDude on July 27, 2006, 11:49:53 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125447\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 11:27 PM\']
And that is exactly why, as I said before, it will be Jeopardy.
[/quote]

I think #1 will probably be either Match Game or Family Feud, while Jeopardy! will fall somewhere in the 5-7 range.  

And regarding Jim Perry - I think Card Sharks will at least make the top 20, and if the promo is any indication, it'll be his version.  Of course, that doesn't change my opinion that $ale also deserved top 20 status, and that there's no way in hell that it should be ranked lower than Dog Eat Dog.  But it's pretty much been established that this list is a joke, so at this point, there's no use dwelling on it.  I'm just happy that they're digging some classics out of the vault.
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Post by: Joe Mello on July 27, 2006, 11:52:01 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125440\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 10:42 PM\']
Honestly, folks, are we gonna bitch and moan all the way to #1? It's been established that this list is a joke. Why be surprised and appalled as it progresses?
[/quote]

Yes, because we're hardcore gameshow fans, and hardcore game show fans are never satisfied with something a mere executive can do, because we're hardcore.  WE should be producing, WE should be hosting, WE should be playing, and WE should be in control, because we're hardcore.

(The preceding post has been marinated in sarcasm and cynicism after being cooking at 375 degrees for 20 minutes.)

Seriously though, I'm starting to think more (or less) thought was put into this list than I first thought with only 2 shows being highlighted tonight.  That implies that the next on the list is another show GSN owns.  If they were trying to organize this into blocks more than a list, you could've thrown in another show.

At least GSN has some nice snaps.
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Post by: PYLW on July 28, 2006, 01:05:57 AM
Haha, I was actually excited for a moment, because they actually talked about Sale for a longer period of time than the other shows with no epsiodes shown. Then, he mentioned Dog Eat Dog, and I simply turned off the T.V. Thumbs down tonight. This whole week was basically a DUD.
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Post by: cweaver on July 28, 2006, 01:29:32 AM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'125438\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 09:37 PM\']
A more thorough check of the promo shows that GONG, DATING and TJW are expected to be among the list, and the press release mentions that a Marshall HSq, a Thom McKee TTD and a classic NEWLYWED will be shown as well.  PASSWORD6x is also included in the promo (although the press release refers to P+ making the cut--they may include both or just include one).

So there just might be a few gems still on the horizon.  And if not, c'est la vie.
[/quote]

I'm thinking the Marshall "Squares" will be the one in the promo, and that one is a first-season syndie (1971-72) with Amanda Blake, Joey Bishop, Doc Severinsen, etc.  Wally and Paul are there but not Charley who was apparently suffering from health issues.

Here's my question:  which "Jeopardy!" do you think they'll show?  One of those rare Flemings they pull out every few years or one of the earliest Trebeks?  Maybe a celeb edition where Regis gets his hiney kicked?
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Post by: JasonA1 on July 28, 2006, 01:39:40 AM
Isn't the Million Dollar Masters part of the season they have on lease now? If I'm right about that, I'd say the tourney finale is a good bet for their J! pick. Personally, I'd love to see any pre-"sushi set" show. The longshot would be a Fleming ep. It's never been confirmed or denied they had the entire '79 run, but that is certainly ripe for the picking.

-Jason
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Post by: Allstar87 on July 28, 2006, 02:20:00 AM
[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'125461\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 01:39 AM\']
Isn't the Million Dollar Masters part of the season they have on lease now? If I'm right about that, I'd say the tourney finale is a good bet for their J! pick.[/quote]
It certainly is part of that season, and I also think that's the one they'll pull out for this special.

Quote
Personally, I'd love to see any pre-"sushi set" show. The longshot would be a Fleming ep. It's never been confirmed or denied they had the entire '79 run, but that is certainly ripe for the picking.
I agree again. It would be cool to see a Fleming episode brought out; I think they've only aired two of those before.
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on July 28, 2006, 03:37:44 AM
Well, after a good week, we end this week on a blah note.  After Dwyer gives us a good-sized mention of $ale of the Century(#34), we get saddled with Dog Eat Dog at #33.  At that point, I imediately switched over to VH1's WSoPC's seni-finals.  I know the list is very subjective but couldn't they give me anything good this week?  Meh.

Week 1 was mostly good while week 2 was a near train-wreck.  Hopefully, week 3 will turn things around again starting at #32.
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Post by: BrandonFG on July 28, 2006, 07:19:14 AM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'125466\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 03:37 AM\']
I know the list is very subjective but couldn't they give me anything good this week?  Meh.
[/quote]
Yes, because GSN tailor-made this list just for you.
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Post by: Don Howard on July 28, 2006, 08:27:10 AM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'125460\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 01:29 AM\']
who was apparently suffering from health issues
[/quote]
I must remember this line the next time I fill out a sick form at work.
Describe illness: suffering from health issues
I'm still holding out hope for a gem or two as the countdown continues.
And if that doesn't happen, as was stated here many times before the so-named Top 50 Of All Time began revealing themselves and has continued throughout the gradual list-unveiling, said list was compiled by the powers in the towers at GSN: The Network For Games and miracles shouldn't be expected.
I am, though, looking forward to the BLECHH! spree that erupts if Friend Or Foe gets in there.
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Post by: sshuffield70 on July 28, 2006, 08:46:43 AM
Well, what they should have done is letting us vote for our favorite 5 or 10 shows, then use a point system to determine the top 50.  But, of course, this is GSN which has done a lot of things that made no sense.
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Post by: Pyramid80 on July 28, 2006, 08:56:38 AM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'125475\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 07:46 AM\']
Well, what they should have done is letting us vote for our favorite 5 or 10 shows, then use a point system to determine the top 50.  But, of course, this is GSN which has done a lot of things that made no sense.
[/quote]
I guess that is where the Feast of Favorites comes in...
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Post by: cweaver on July 28, 2006, 08:59:34 AM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'125473\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 07:27 AM\']
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'125460\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 01:29 AM\']
who was apparently suffering from health issues
[/quote]
I must remember this line the next time I fill out a sick form at work.
Describe illness: suffering from health issues
[/quote]

Sorry, I couldn't remember the exact nature of his illness (which I think was heart-related but wasn't sure) when I wrote that.  Charley Weaver was gone for awhile in 1972-73 due to his illness and I think, surgery.  I was just trying to make the point Charley wasn't just taking a week off.
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Post by: Don Howard on July 28, 2006, 09:05:29 AM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'125480\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 08:59 AM\']
I couldn't remember the exact nature of his illness (which I think was heart-related but wasn't sure) when I wrote that.[/quote]
Glad to help you with this information.
Charley Weaver suffered a stroke, which necessitated his extended absence from The Hollywood Squares.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on July 28, 2006, 11:53:07 AM
Quote
Not necessarily. A more thorough check of the promo shows that GONG, DATING and TJW are expected to be among the list, and the press release mentions that a Marshall HSq, a Thom McKee TTD and a classic NEWLYWED will be shown as well. PASSWORD6x is also included in the promo (although the press release refers to P+ making the cut--they may include both or just include one).

I'm hoping for a few more gems.  For example, it would be great if they could pull out a summer 1974 episode of Joker's Wild when that comes up.  At least they treated us to a Treasure Hunt that they never aired before!

Quote
The longshot would be a Fleming ep. It's never been confirmed or denied they had the entire '79 run, but that is certainly ripe for the picking.

In speaking to a member of this forum at the Game Show Congress a couple of weeks ago who's seen the GSN vault, he's pretty sure the entire '78-79 run still exists.  Also, in a letter I got from David Schwartz in 1996, he seemed to indicate as much.
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Post by: Scott on July 28, 2006, 12:35:32 PM
Well, after a stellar week 1, we hit bottom with a resounding thud this week.  Sure, we got Greed and Curtis Warren's big moment, but we also got Dog Eat Dog, and no Sale of the Century.  Here's hoping next week is at least a little better.

OVERALL GRADE FOR WEEK 2: C.
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Post by: rialtus on July 28, 2006, 01:11:53 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125440\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 09:42 PM\']Honestly, folks, are we gonna bitch and moan all the way to #1? It's been established that this list is a joke. Why be surprised and appalled as it progresses?[/quote]Okay, who let the assassin of joy into the room?  ;)
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Post by: JasonA1 on July 28, 2006, 01:27:47 PM
Or the preferred term among my friends: Fun Governor.

-Jason
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on July 28, 2006, 02:17:12 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125440\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 10:42 PM\']
Honestly, folks, are we gonna bitch and moan all the way to #1? It's been established that this list is a joke. Why be surprised and appalled as it progresses?[/quote]
I'm right there with you Chris...but I gotta say, for as much as I've been calling the list worthless pretty much from the beginning, including Dog Eat Dog does sort of take them to new levels of inanity.

I'm now bitterly disappointed that What's Going On? isn't going to make the list.
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Post by: clemon79 on July 28, 2006, 02:28:05 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'125506\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 11:17 AM\']
including Dog Eat Dog does sort of take them to new levels of inanity.
[/quote]
At least it can be argued that it's a game show. This by itself makes it a worthier candidate than friggin' $1.98.

It could be much worse. Wait until Fear Factor hits.

As for the rest of y'all, hey, go nuts. I'll even join in at points, I'm sure. But when you have people saying "WHAT?!  WHAMMY? Are they HIGH?", the answer is "Yes. And you knew that when they aired Studs, so why are you surprised when it happens again?"
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on July 28, 2006, 03:17:45 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125508\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 02:28 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'125506\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 11:17 AM\']
including Dog Eat Dog does sort of take them to new levels of inanity.
[/quote]
At least it can be argued that it's a game show. This by itself makes it a worthier candidate than friggin' $1.98.[/quote]
I'm actually with uncamark on this one.  It was a big, bawdy spectacle from the Chuck Barris stable.  If GSN wants to put it on a game show list (mostly, of course, because they have access to it) I'm willing to give them a pass.
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Post by: clemon79 on July 28, 2006, 03:44:38 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'125520\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 12:17 PM\']
I'm actually with uncamark on this one.  It was a big, bawdy spectacle from the Chuck Barris stable.
[/quote]
So was Operation Entertainment. Where was that?

This is my (respectful) point: can you have it both ways? Can you give them a pass on something that just plain isn't a game show and then roll your eyes when a show like DED, which is indeed not even close to Top-50-worthy, but at least is in fact a game show, pops up? Seems to me that one kinda voids your right to complain about the other.
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Post by: uncamark on July 28, 2006, 03:47:13 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125508\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 01:28 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'125506\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 11:17 AM\']
including Dog Eat Dog does sort of take them to new levels of inanity.
[/quote]
At least it can be argued that it's a game show. This by itself makes it a worthier candidate than friggin' $1.98.

It could be much worse. Wait until Fear Factor hits.

As for the rest of y'all, hey, go nuts. I'll even join in at points, I'm sure. But when you have people saying "WHAT?!  WHAMMY? Are they HIGH?", the answer is "Yes. And you knew that when they aired Studs, so why are you surprised when it happens again?"
[/quote]

Except they didn't air "Studs."  They only mentioned it and then ran "Hollywood Showdown."

Even if Fox Reality's not running it, don't think Bob Boden would want to help his ex-boss out and greenlight a one-shot license from 20th.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 28, 2006, 03:48:22 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'125532\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 12:47 PM\']
Except they didn't air "Studs."  They only mentioned it and then ran "Hollywood Showdown."
[/quote]
Okay. But still, you see my point, I hope.
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Post by: Don Howard on July 28, 2006, 04:10:02 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'125506\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 02:17 PM\']
I'm now bitterly disappointed that What's Going On? isn't going to make the list.
[/quote]
How do you know?
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Post by: BobbyLankford_83 on July 28, 2006, 06:10:26 PM
Well, I hope next week we get some better shows than Dog Eat Dog which aired last night. Maybe some B&E's will be on . I have not seen any of GSN since Feast of Favorites 2003 when TJW and Celebrity Bullseye aired.  I have not seen TTD since FoF 2002 and BTB 76-77 since it aired on Game of The Week in 2000.

Also, I hope Now You See it makes the list along with Body Language. If they do show BL , I hope they show an episode with Lucille Ball as a guest. She was a great player on there. I still love Lucy!.

And I hope NBC gives GSN special permission to air Concentration. If they do, it will most likely be Alex Trebek's version .
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on July 28, 2006, 07:29:15 PM
[quote name=\'BobbyLankford_83\' post=\'125542\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 03:10 PM\']
And I hope NBC gives GSN special permission to air Concentration. If they do, it will most likely be Alex Trebek's version .
[/quote]
Source, please?

/no, folks, I already know he's an idiot, I'm just pointing it out.
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Post by: BobbyLankford_83 on July 28, 2006, 08:13:30 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125549\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 07:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'BobbyLankford_83\' post=\'125542\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 03:10 PM\']
And I hope NBC gives GSN special permission to air Concentration. If they do, it will most likely be Alex Trebek's version .
[/quote]
Source, please?

/no, folks, I already know he's an idiot, I'm just pointing it out.
[/quote]


Well, guys the showing of Concentration may or may not happen, as NBC Universal has refused to lower the cost for the show. It ,like Truth or Consequences and $ale of The Century among others will probably just get a mention rather than a showing,unfortunately.

NBC needs to lower the cost for the repeats of Concentrationa dn they can't leave it in the vaults forever!.
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Post by: dzinkin on July 28, 2006, 09:25:32 PM
[quote name=\'BobbyLankford_83\' post=\'125556\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 08:13 PM\']
Well, guys the showing of Concentration may or may not happen,
[/quote]
And CBS may or may not announce next week that I'm going to replace Bob Barker on TPIR.  Yet somehow, I think I'm confident that I'm not going to be asking Rich Fields for another contestant anytime soon.

Quote
as NBC Universal has refused to lower the cost for the show.
Again, please cite your source.  Alternatively, be prepared to have most of your posts rejected.
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Post by: BobbyLankford_83 on July 28, 2006, 09:42:57 PM
David, I am sorry but I nor any one else knows what GSN will have in the rest of The 50 Best Game Shows Special, as I am not sure whether or not NBC will let GSN have Concentration just for a one-shot appearance on the special.

As I said, it could have just a mention,but no showing of episodes like $OTC did.
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Post by: BobbyLankford_83 on July 28, 2006, 09:47:14 PM
And David, I have seen on GSN's boards where they tried to get Concentration several times, but the Peacock was asking a price that was too high.  I wish the Peacock would reduce the price for it, but I don't think it will happen soon.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: dzinkin on July 28, 2006, 09:48:57 PM
[quote name=\'BobbyLankford_83\' post=\'125567\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 09:42 PM\']
David, I am sorry but I nor any one else knows what GSN will have in the rest of The 50 Best Game Shows Special,[/quote]
If you don't know, you shouldn't have said that GSN would "most likely" get Trebek's version if it got Concentration at all.

Don't repeat that mistake and you'll be much better off.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: dzinkin on July 28, 2006, 09:52:06 PM
[quote name=\'BobbyLankford_83\' post=\'125569\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 09:47 PM\']
And David, I have seen on GSN's boards where they tried to get Concentration several times, but the Peacock was asking a price that was too high.
[/quote]
Unless the information came from someone who works at GSN, the fact that it appeared on the GSN board does not make it legitimate.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it makes the information less legitimate, given the GSN board moderators' history of banning or suspending people who tried to correct incorrect information, even politely.

Don't believe everything you read; that's how Adam Kleist got into trouble, and a large part of the reason why he's no longer allowed to post.
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Post by: BobbyLankford_83 on July 28, 2006, 09:57:57 PM
OK, David I won't believe everything I read. Not even that piece of garbage called The National enquirer and the rest of that crap. Scout's honor!
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Post by: sshuffield70 on July 29, 2006, 01:05:03 AM
[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' post=\'125478\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 07:56 AM\']
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'125475\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 07:46 AM\']
Well, what they should have done is letting us vote for our favorite 5 or 10 shows, then use a point system to determine the top 50.  But, of course, this is GSN which has done a lot of things that made no sense.
[/quote]
I guess that is where the Feast of Favorites comes in...
[/quote]

Well, except FoF works differently in that you can only vote for one show during any given day of voting.  And surely, it only counts as one point.

As an example, various radio stations have a top 500 countdown during holiday weekends.  Listeners send in their favorite 10 songs.  Each song then gets 1-10 points depending on where it ranked on the listener's list.  The top 500 point getters are played that weekend.

So that's the idea, anyway.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on July 29, 2006, 03:03:51 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'125531\' date=\'Jul 28 2006, 03:44 PM\']This is my (respectful) point: can you have it both ways? Can you give them a pass on something that just plain isn't a game show and then roll your eyes when a show like DED, which is indeed not even close to Top-50-worthy, but at least is in fact a game show, pops up? Seems to me that one kinda voids your right to complain about the other.[/quote]
In a very binary black/white, yes/no way of looking at it, I suppose.  Both examples were goofy.  I just didn't happen to think that including a Chuck Barris half-hour that most viewers aren't going to subject to our game-show/not-a-game-show litmus test was AS bad as placing an unsuccessful stunt show in the all-time top 40 just because it happened to be recent and available.
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Post by: Scott on August 01, 2006, 10:01:55 PM
And, we're back on track with Tic Tac Dough at 32.  It's the next to last ep of the legendary Tom Mckee run.

31: You Bet Your Life.

30: Card Sharks.  And, it's the legendary Norma Brown $28,800 episode!
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Post by: catnap1972 on August 01, 2006, 10:33:00 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'125956\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 10:01 PM\']

30: Card Sharks.  And, it's the legendary Norma Brown $28,800 episode!
[/quote]

They must've really been passing the crack at the offices if CS could only make #30
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Post by: sshuffield70 on August 01, 2006, 10:39:43 PM
[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'125960\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 09:33 PM\']
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'125956\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 10:01 PM\']

30: Card Sharks.  And, it's the legendary Norma Brown $28,800 episode!
[/quote]

They must've really been passing the crack at the offices if CS could only make #30
[/quote]

Consider it a coincidence that the two biggest wins in CS history played on the same day.
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Post by: Scott on August 01, 2006, 11:01:21 PM
Sadly, we end the night on a downer, as Scrabble only gets a passing mention at 29.
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Post by: Adam Nedeff on August 01, 2006, 11:12:27 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'125956\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 10:01 PM\']
31: You Bet Your Life.
[/quote]

I liked how Bill's description of what made Groucho such a great emcee was, by GSN's own admission (and Groucho's!) an urban legend.

"You know why I think Phil Collins is such a great singer-songwriter? Because he saw that guy letting another guy drown, and then wrote a song about him, and then debuted the song when the guy was at one of his concerts, then had him arrested after the show. Damn, Phil Collins is great!"
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Post by: wheelloon on August 01, 2006, 11:18:24 PM
Easily, far and wide, without a doubt, the best night of the series so far.

Having nearly hurled when seeing Dog Eat Dog rank higher than SOTC, Blockbusters, and 21, amongst other TRUE game shows, and not smut-vision, tonight was a breath of fresh air. From my point of view, the 4 shows shown tonight are among my all time favorites, so I had a ball watching GSN for once. I only wish a Scrabble episode was leased and shown tonight, I would've been though the roof...

My only concern (and obviously I'm not alone) is that if these 4 shows, ones that most GS fans would consider classic formats with decent runs during their history, were ranked in the upper 20's and lower's 30's on their list, what is yet to come? *cringes*
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Post by: PYLW on August 02, 2006, 12:16:21 AM
Thumbs way up today, I totally loved the Tic Tac Dough epsiode, with my only small nitpick being that it wasn't an epsiode where Thom totally dominated. Otherwise, I loved it and it was good. I was very happy with the Card Sharks, because I only watched it the last time I saw it, and didn't have it tapes. Thumbs way up, and a good look into this week, which looks promising.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 02, 2006, 12:17:28 AM
After GSN gave us one horrible week, they stumbled back on their perch (alright bottom step) with actual good game shows.  Most have us have probably seen these episodes that were featured tonight.  So GSN gave the non game show addicts a chance at seeing great episodes.  

Compared to the what the 50 greatest game shows really would look like.

Tic Tac Dough would have been lower.  The Joker's Wild could have taken that spot.

You Bet Your Life is in the correct area but may be a little higher.

Card Sharks is probably in the right spot.

Scrabble should have lower.  It seems to be a copy of Wheel of Fortune.
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Post by: LocalH on August 02, 2006, 12:19:48 AM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'125981\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 12:17 AM\']
Scrabble should have lower.  It seems to be a copy of Wheel of Fortune.
[/quote]
You've obviously never seen Scrabble, if you said that with a straight face.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 02, 2006, 12:20:39 AM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'125981\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 09:17 PM\']
Scrabble should have lower.  It seems to be a copy of Wheel of Fortune.
[/quote]
Gawd, yer an idiot.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 02, 2006, 12:31:55 AM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'125981\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 11:17 PM\']
Scrabble should have lower.  It seems to be a copy of Wheel of Fortune.
[/quote]

Holy...gee...friggin...

...Wow.
-----
In exactly *what* way is Scrabble a copy of Wheel?  The "Ooh, ooh, both involve putting letters into words" way that has absolutely no credit whatsoever, due to the mechanics involved being entirely different top to bottom?  The fact that both are game shows? The fact that both aired on NBC?

Que?
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 02, 2006, 12:37:54 AM
Well, the episode selection was pretty good tonight.  I would've liked McKee's $16,800 win, but that's okay.  The Card Sharks episode was a nice choice, even though there may have been better whole episodes.

Man, Jim Perry is good.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 02, 2006, 12:41:36 AM
I had a debate on whether I should have included that statement and logic lost.  I take back that statement.

However, are both games a variation of hangman?

EDIT: Alright I give up, it was stupid.  I will try to stumble out of this deep hole I have dug for myself after a night's sleep.

Insert Lemon comment (It would not do much.)
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Post by: LocalH on August 02, 2006, 12:42:17 AM
Only in the most basic way (and really not even then, considering that if you play an E on Scrabble you only get a single E, and not all of them, and also the fact that Scrabble puzzles are only one word). Plus, considering the Sprint round, they're not even close.

Put it this way - Scrabble is about as close to WoF as Card Sharks is to Hit Me on TPiR.
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Post by: cweaver on August 02, 2006, 12:53:56 AM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'125991\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 11:41 PM\']
However, are both games a variation of hangman?[/quote]

One? Yes.  Both?  No.
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Post by: jdhernandez on August 02, 2006, 03:37:33 AM
Back to the actual marathon itself...

...for some strange reason, I never saw the episode before he lost, I always saw a few good ones here and there, and then the skip over to the last episode. As a matter of fact, didn't only a few of McKee's run make the Game Show Network TTD marathon some 8+ years ago? (or it may have been longer)

Watching that episode was an absolute treat for me. =)

As for Card Sharks.... classic. Here's hoping for some more excellent classics coming up! We haven't seen Pyramid, Password, Joker's Wild, and a few other great shows yet to come.
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 02, 2006, 04:04:03 AM
Clearly, this was by far the strongest night in this countdown so far.  Starting off with TTD(#32), I was hoping to see Thom McKee's ultimate demise, but the one where his total reached $312K+, I have no complaints.

As for Card Sharks(#30), this shows why Jim Perry was such a good game show host.  He can create tension so good, you had to cut it with a meat cleaver.  Man, that was one powerful episode featuring Norma Brown's "bank-breaking" episode sure made my night.

YBYL at #31 I really didn't expect to see, but it got a nice little mention.

The only real downner on this night was Scrabble at #29.  Personally, I would've seen a passing mention of CS at #30 since it's on GSN regulary & show a Scrabble episode instead.  Oh well.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 02, 2006, 08:42:28 AM
[quote name=\'LocalH\' post=\'125983\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 11:19 PM\']
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'125981\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 12:17 AM\']
Scrabble should have lower.  It seems to be a copy of Wheel of Fortune.
[/quote]
You've obviously never seen Scrabble, if you said that with a straight face.
[/quote]
Well maybe he can go to YouTube and find a link.
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Post by: sshuffield70 on August 02, 2006, 08:51:41 AM
In a moment of coincidence, last night's CS (Norma Brown) caps a day which also saw the Eubanks CS (Faith) $29,000 win.

That's COINCIDENCE, folks.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 02, 2006, 08:54:25 AM
Quote
As a matter of fact, didn't only a few of McKee's run make the Game Show Network TTD marathon some 8+ years ago? (or it may have been longer)

I believe they aired 12 of his episodes during that marathon, so a lot would have been passed over.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 02, 2006, 10:22:07 AM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'125962\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 10:01 PM\']
Sadly, we end the night on a downer, as Scrabble only gets a passing mention at 29.
[/quote]
Did you really expect they would show it?  You knew that a) a maximum of two shows can be shown with the formatics of this special, and b) GSN isn't licensed to show SCRABBLE (if they couldn't show $otC--then sure as heck they weren't going to be showing SCRABBLE).

My surprise is that GONG apparently ranks ahead of TTD and CS (I had thought GONG was a prime candidate for last night's doings).  Not exactly the way I would've drawn it up, although I'm still guessing GONG's featured either tonight or tomorrow (either mentioned in passing or with an ep).

Also, is it me or were there some technical issues with the CS broadcast (seemed like any two-shot of the contestants at the podium resulted in sound glitches)?  I didn't remember seeing that the last time GSN ran the ep during the weekend run last year, although I could be wrong.

Doug
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 02, 2006, 11:47:59 AM
[quote name=\'jdhernandez\' post=\'125999\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 03:37 AM\']
...for some strange reason, I never saw the episode before he lost, I always saw a few good ones here and there, and then the skip over to the last episode. As a matter of fact, didn't only a few of McKee's run make the Game Show Network TTD marathon some 8+ years ago? (or it may have been longer)[/quote]

Well, I didn't have Game Show Network 8 years ago, so I can't comment about that, but the Feast of Favorites block of TTD featured McKee's last two episodes.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 02, 2006, 11:58:48 AM
After a night's sleep, a good breakfast, a load of laundry, trip to the post office, and a talk with my therapist, I have fully realized that I WAS COMPLETELY STUPID in saying that Scrabble was a copy of Wheel of Fortune.

To show you that I have learned that fact, this morning I watched a Daytime 1987 WOF and a 1984 ep of Scrabble on the Page o Clips site, and will now display the similarities and differences.

Similarities

Both involve putting letters in words to solve a puzzle

Both were hosted by Chuck Woolery

Differences

WOF: contestants were actually rewarded for delaying to solve a puzzle

Scrabble: no benefit to delay solving unless a colored squared was available

WOF: a fairly low tech affair, most technical it got was displaying categories and prize amounts

Scrabble: One of the more high tech game shows around with great SFX and computer graphics

WOF: call a letter get all of that letter

Scrabble: call a letter get only one of it

WOF: gave away loads of prizes

Scrabble: gave away loads some amounts of cash

WOF: writing needed for puzzles

Scrabble: writing needed for words and clever clues to go along

WOF: speed wasn't a factor to win

Scrabble: speed was a factor to win (Wheel took this concept for there Toss Up Puzzles)

WOF: a big wheel of luck determined how much you won in a round

Scrabble: only solving the words determined how much you won

WOF: contestants had to think a little

Scrabble: contestants had to think a lot

Add to the list if you want to.

P.S.  I think I found where I thought Wheel and Scrabble were the same.  On Ricci's website before he had to take down his videos, there was a promo for the premiere of 1984 Scrabble, didn't Chuck make mention of the Wheel?
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 02, 2006, 01:12:25 PM
Obviously, your breakfast didn't help much.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SRIV94 on August 02, 2006, 01:14:25 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126036\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 10:58 AM\']
P.S.  I think I found where I thought Wheel and Scrabble were the same.  On Ricci's website before he had to take down his videos, there was a promo for the premiere of 1984 Scrabble, didn't Chuck make mention of the Wheel?
[/quote]
Not sure about that.  I do know Chuck referenced WoF a couple of times during his run on SCRABBLE.

Once, pulling an April Fool's joke (I want to say 1988 or 1989) he entered the stage on Charlie Tuna's intro and went through his opening spiel on WoF (complete with the SFX operator--guessing it was Geoff Cooper, but that's only a guess--folding in the WoF puzzle/category reveal cue).

Another time, Woolery gave the clue, "Vanna White will let you buy them for a price."  After the contestant correctly guessed "vowels"--he looked over to someone offstage (perhaps producer Gary Johnson) and asked, "Is it still $250?  It was $250 when I did 'Wheel'."

Doug
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Post by: SteveRep on August 02, 2006, 02:08:06 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'125956\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 10:01 PM\']
And, we're back on track with Tic Tac Dough at 32.  It's the next to last ep of the legendary Tom Mckee run.

31: You Bet Your Life.

30: Card Sharks.  And, it's the legendary Norma Brown $28,800 episode!
[/quote]
The two series shown have the two best 'clap-along' theme songs.

(TTD's is a little trickier)
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Post by: Thad Dixon on August 02, 2006, 03:54:02 PM
[quote name=\'SteveRep\' post=\'126052\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 02:08 PM\']
The two series shown have the two best 'clap-along' theme songs.

(TTD's is a little trickier)
[/quote]

Depends on who you talk to, I guess.  I always felt TTD's was easier instead of trickier.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SteveRep on August 02, 2006, 05:04:58 PM
[quote name=\'Thad Dixon\' post=\'126063\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 03:54 PM\']
[quote name=\'SteveRep\' post=\'126052\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 02:08 PM\']
The two series shown have the two best 'clap-along' theme songs.

(TTD's is a little trickier)
[/quote]

Depends on who you talk to, I guess.  I always felt TTD's was easier instead of trickier.
[/quote]
I'm talking about clapping along with the rapid-fire beginning. Sure, the on-the-beat part once the main melody kicks in is easier.
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Post by: aaron sica on August 02, 2006, 06:13:05 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'126043\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 01:14 PM\']
Not sure about that.  I do know Chuck referenced WoF a couple of times during his run on SCRABBLE.
[/quote]

Don't forget the last episode of Scrabble (I want to say the '93 version), where Chuck said something like "It'll find a new host and new life in syndication, look what happened to Wheel!"
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Post by: Chief-O on August 02, 2006, 06:21:05 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'126073\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 05:13 PM\']
Don't forget the last episode of Scrabble (I want to say the '93 version), where Chuck said something like "It'll find a new host and new life in syndication, look what happened to Wheel!"
[/quote]

Original version. "I kept telling them, 'Look, find somebody else to do it. It'll be a huge hit! Look what happened to 'Wheel'!"

/thanks for the video of that final ep., Klauss
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 02, 2006, 08:54:37 PM
[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'126075\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 05:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'126073\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 05:13 PM\']
Don't forget the last episode of Scrabble (I want to say the '93 version), where Chuck said something like "It'll find a new host and new life in syndication, look what happened to Wheel!"
[/quote]

Original version. "I kept telling them, 'Look, find somebody else to do it. It'll be a huge hit! Look what happened to 'Wheel'!"

/thanks for the video of that final ep., Klauss
[/quote]
Thank you both for the reminder--I had forgotten all about it.

Doug
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Post by: Scott on August 02, 2006, 10:02:47 PM
28: The $64,000 Question

27: Win Ben Stein's Money-The famous stripping incident, and Bob's perfect 10 in the Test of Knowledge

26: Deal or No Deal

25: Password Plus featuring our old friend Rich Cronin!
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 02, 2006, 10:33:13 PM
The show has only been on the air for one season and already it's the 26th greatest game show of all time?
Cripes.

--Jamie
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 02, 2006, 10:35:56 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'126092\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 09:33 PM\']
The show has only been on the air for one season and already it's the 26th greatest game show of all time?
Cripes.
[/quote]
I was dismayed when I heard this as well.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 02, 2006, 10:39:17 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'126092\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 10:33 PM\']
The show has only been on the air for one season and already it's the 26th greatest game show of all time?
Cripes.[/quote]
Of all the problems I have with GSN's list, I'm really OK with that.  It's impossible to judge the show's historical place this soon, but it's an enormous sensation and pop culture phenomenon, so it couldn't be ignored.  Sticking it in the middle (and not too far away from The $64,000 Question) seems about right.  I'm actually surprised GSN didn't rate it higher, but then again, they weren't going to show us one so it didn't really matter.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 02, 2006, 10:50:52 PM
Okay, but is Win Ben Stein's Money really better than Card Sharks or Scrabble?
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Post by: FOXSportsFan on August 02, 2006, 10:56:39 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126096\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 10:50 PM\']
Okay, but is Win Ben Stein's Money really better than Card Sharks or Scrabble?
[/quote]

That's like asking: "Is there a Starbucks in Seattle?"
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 02, 2006, 10:56:50 PM
Quote
Okay, but is Win Ben Stein's Money really better than Card Sharks or Scrabble

I enjoyed Win Ben Stein's Money slightly more than Scrabble, but definitely not more than Card Sharks.

--Jamie
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 02, 2006, 11:10:39 PM
I'm tired of the taste of my foot, lets see if I can get through this scot free.

The $64,000 Question: its in the right place, It was the first big money quiz and went out a few years later amid scandal.

WBSM: in the right spot, I'm not sure but was this the first intelligence game show on cable?

DOND: where it should be, one of the biggest sensation internationally.  Its game play is so simple and doesn't need brain power and probably have some of the best drama in game shows.

Over at ukgameshows.com, they ranked their DOND as the 3rd best game show in British TV History, but part of the their explanation is because of the list's timing.

Password Plus: shouldn't have been on the list because its password with a puzzle.  We got to see Rich.  No Comment.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 02, 2006, 11:12:00 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126102\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 10:10 PM\']
WBSM: in the right spot, I'm not sure but was this the first intelligence game show on cable?
[/quote]
Wow.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 02, 2006, 11:24:22 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126102\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 08:10 PM\']
I'm tired of the taste of my foot, lets see if I can get through this scot free.
[/quote]
Quote
WBSM: in the right spot, I'm not sure but was this the first intelligence game show on cable?
Oh, the irony.

Really. Just stop.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 02, 2006, 11:40:01 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126106\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 11:24 PM\']
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126102\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 08:10 PM\']
I'm tired of the taste of my foot, lets see if I can get through this scot free.
[/quote]
Quote
WBSM: in the right spot, I'm not sure but was this the first intelligence game show on cable?
Oh, the irony.

Really. Just stop.
[/quote]

I have a hard time figuring what other people think about me and others.  I was asking a question. Was WBSM the first original hard quiz on cable television.  I'll stop doing the rankings just go back to the TV Guide and you pretty much figure my opinion.

I try to make a feel of use here at the forum but the internet find thread has grown old.  So I tried commentary, unless you want me here just so you can laugh at my posts, I'll stop commenting.

I am really saner in person, I will let Dr. Nedeff confirm that sometime.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 02, 2006, 11:50:15 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126107\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 08:40 PM\']
I have a hard time figuring what other people think about me
[/quote]
Really? Because I don't think we could get more direct without violating forum rules.
Quote
unless you want me here just so you can laugh at my posts,
I assure you of two things: 1) we don't want that, and 2) nobody's laughing. At your posts.
Quote
I'll stop commenting.
Nope, can't do it. No sport.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 02, 2006, 11:59:21 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126107\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 10:40 PM\']
I have a hard time figuring what other people think about me and others.  I was asking a question. Was WBSM the first original hard quiz on cable television. [/quote]
That was not what you asked the first time.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 03, 2006, 12:10:11 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'126110\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 11:59 PM\']
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126107\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 10:40 PM\']
I have a hard time figuring what other people think about me and others.  I was asking a question. Was WBSM the first original hard quiz on cable television. [/quote]
That was not what you asked the first time.
[/quote]

I apologize for the poor wording off the question.  

I am going to clarify this one more time.   I have realized that you think that the post was stupid; however, I would like to know why it was stupid, so I can learn from it.  Seriously I have a hard time figuring out why.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on August 03, 2006, 12:13:09 AM
First, some (hopefully) constructive criticism. rebelwrest, you have a tendency to make bold statements about things you do not know. If you don't know whether WBSM was the first "hard quiz" cable game show, you should phrase it as a question about which you are completely unsure, rather than try to sound like you know the answer already when you do not. There's no shame in not knowing the answer to a question. But come out and say it. (EDITED for my own clarity.)

Also, you seem to have some occasional . . . trouble with the English language. When you asked if WBSM was the first "intelligence game show", well, that phrase is kinda silly and vague. We have no way of knowing that you're asking about a "hard quiz" unless you say "hard quiz".

Third, the last thing you want to do in any situation where others are making fun of you (rightly or wrongly) is to start constantly saying "well, I hope I don't say something foolish this time!" You are handing the irony out on a platter when you do that. Being humble, yes. Maybe asking politely about what the problem is, or e-mailing a mod for some advice, yes. Setting yourself up for more falling, no.

And finally, how are you defining "hard quiz"? Does Make the Grade qualify? Wink's Trivial Pursuit?
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 03, 2006, 12:36:55 AM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'126113\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 12:13 AM\']
First, some (hopefully) constructive criticism. rebelwrest, you have a tendency to make bold statements about things you do not know. If you don't know whether WBSM was the first "hard quiz" cable game show, you should phrase it as a question about which you are completely unsure, rather than try to sound like you know the answer already when you do not. There's no shame in not knowing the answer to a question. But come out and say it. (EDITED for my own clarity.)

Also, you seem to have some occasional . . . trouble with the English language. When you asked if WBSM was the first "intelligence game show", well, that phrase is kinda silly and vague. We have no way of knowing that you're asking about a "hard quiz" unless you say "hard quiz".

Third, the last thing you want to do in any situation where others are making fun of you (rightly or wrongly) is to start constantly saying "well, I hope I don't say something foolish this time!" You are handing the irony out on a platter when you do that. Being humble, yes. Maybe asking politely about what the problem is, or e-mailing a mod for some advice, yes. Setting yourself up for more falling, no.

And finally, how are you defining "hard quiz"? Does Make the Grade qualify? Wink's Trivial Pursuit?
[/quote]

Thank You

I will try to define it; although as my management professor pointed out, the more you know about a subject, the harder it is to define.

Hard Quiz- A quiz show for which at most of its questions are consider hard for the average intelligence of the show's intended demographic.

I did not have Nickelodeon when Make the Grade came on, so I don't know if the were considered hard for its audience.  Also, I was 9 when Trivial Pursuit went off the air, so I have no clue there.

Without sufficient information I cannot render a verdict in whether those game show qualify as a hard quiz according to my definition.
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 03, 2006, 12:46:10 AM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126102\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 11:10 PM\']Password Plus: shouldn't have been on the list because its password with a puzzle.[/quote]

Password Plus is probably on the list for the same reason Whammy can be on the list (aside from the pessmist's reasoning)--it's a different game than Password.  A VERY different game than Password.  I just did a Top 50 for someone and I put Password and Password Plus (and Super Password) as two different shows.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 03, 2006, 01:05:59 AM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126114\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 09:36 PM\']
the more you know about a subject, the harder it is to define.
[/quote]
Nobody else here seems to have that problem. Well, almost nobody else.
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Without sufficient information I cannot render a verdict in whether those game show qualify as a hard quiz according to my definition.
Great, you've turned him into Michael Brandenburg.
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Post by: PYLW on August 03, 2006, 01:43:55 AM
I'm guessing sometime this week or next week, we'll see Super Password, since Password Plus got list treatment.

Today was a thumbs up, but not as big as yesterday's. I like WBSM, but a lot of people refer to when it was on a lot (Anyone know when it aired? I think from 5-6 P.M., correct me if I'm wrong.) of times in one day. I never had GSN then, but I remember Comedy Central's reruns. Good epsiode tonight. And it was a treat for me to see that epsiode of Password Plus, because I missed every epsiode with Cronin. Thumbs up so far for this week. However *highlight to read* [color=\"#99ffff\"]I did see for tommorow via my cable guide that only two shows will be on. Does that mean MAYBE Weakest Link will air tommorow? We'll have to see.[/color]
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 03, 2006, 01:47:23 AM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'126120\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 01:43 AM\']
 I think from 5-6 P.M., correct me if I'm wrong.) of times in one day. I never had GSN then, but I remember Comedy Central's reruns. [/color]
[/quote]
IIRC, 6-7 pm, with reruns later on in the evening (during the 11pm hour maybe?)
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Post by: Don Howard on August 03, 2006, 10:45:23 AM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126102\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 11:10 PM\']
Password Plus: shouldn't have been on the list because its password with a puzzle.[/quote]
For that reason, it's similar to Wheel Of Fortune since they both have puzzles.
Also, they were both on NBC daytime.
WHEEL OF FORTUNE was once a Password Puzzle on Password Plus.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 03, 2006, 11:00:18 AM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'126133\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 09:45 AM\']
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126102\' date=\'Aug 2 2006, 11:10 PM\']
Password Plus: shouldn't have been on the list because its password with a puzzle.[/quote]
For that reason, it's similar to Wheel Of Fortune since they both have puzzles.
Also, they were both on NBC daytime.
WHEEL OF FORTUNE was once a Password Puzzle on Password Plus.
[/quote]
And tomorrow's the 26th anniversary of WoF and P+ airing back-to-back on weekdays (WoF would be P+'s lead-in for the next 15 months [roughly], when P+ would replace CS in the death slot).

Doug
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 03, 2006, 11:01:04 AM
Quote
August 3rd 1941: Former jailbird Martha Stewart was born.
Not to hi-jack, but this reminded me of something I found this morning. Original Entertainment Tonight co-host Ron Hendren was born today in 1945. You being the TV historian you are, just wanted to pass that along. ;-)
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 03, 2006, 11:07:42 AM
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WHEEL OF FORTUNE was once a Password Puzzle on Password Plus.

Ahhh....but was "Password Plus" once a puzzle on WHEEL OF FORTUNE??!!
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Post by: SteveRep on August 03, 2006, 11:15:14 AM
After reading how P+ is significantly different that Password and deserves a seperate ranking, I'm OK with that. But I'm afraid SP is also going to get a full-show spot, even though it's the same game as P+, because they have rights.

Does GSN have rights to any incarnation of the original Password when it was first-to-25 points?

Also, I think we're at the point where, regardless of disagreement with placement or disappointment with lack of rights, all the shows from here to the end will be top-shelf stuff.
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Post by: Don Howard on August 03, 2006, 11:17:38 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'126135\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:01 AM\']
Original Entertainment Tonight co-host Ron Hendren was born today in 1945.[/quote]
Ah, yes. Those were the good old non-scandal ridden story days of the show, the first to be beamed by satellite to affiliated stations to allow for same day taping and airing. Ron was a last minute switch in the third host's seat. Mario Machado was originally to be co-host with the quickly-into-the-run-dismissed Tom Hallick and Marjorie Wallace. In spite of that, TV-8 in Cleveland {where I used to work} continued running promos for ET mentioning the host team of Tom, Marjorie and Mario well after Dixie Whatley replaced Marjorie and only she and Ron were co-hosting. The guy who did the promo for TV8 [Mike Marlier] would keep saying (off-air), "They're all gone. Why doesn't somebody redo that?" Mike couldn't go into a recording studio and re-tape one himself without an engineer around. That would've been a big doggone AFTRA boo-boo.

Game show connection! Mario Machado was the announcer on the game show that starred The Rice Twins. Say----maybe that show will make it into spot #24 or #23 and be shown tonight.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 03, 2006, 11:18:40 AM
[quote name=\'SteveRep\' post=\'126141\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 10:15 AM\']
Does GSN have rights to any incarnation of the original Password when it was first-to-25 points?
[/quote]
Yes.  They've shown black-and-white prime-time episodes from the early-to-mid 1960s before, as well as color daytime eps from 1966-67.

Doug
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Post by: Adam Nedeff on August 03, 2006, 11:23:46 AM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'126120\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 01:43 AM\']
I'm guessing sometime this week or next week, we'll see Super Password, since Password Plus got list treatment.
[/quote]
Actually, I'd say it's up in the air, since Bill Dwyer introduced it as "Password Plus, which became Super Password." So maybe both were covered by last night.
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Post by: SteveRep on August 03, 2006, 11:31:52 AM
[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'126146\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:23 AM\']
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'126120\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 01:43 AM\']
I'm guessing sometime this week or next week, we'll see Super Password, since Password Plus got list treatment.
[/quote]
Actually, I'd say it's up in the air, since Bill Dwyer introduced it as "Password Plus, which became Super Password." So maybe both were covered by last night.
[/quote]
I'm just now watching my tape (note to self: watch tape before reading GSF board!) and heard Bil's intro, which lends hope to no SP.
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Post by: PYLW on August 03, 2006, 02:07:45 PM
[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'126146\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:23 AM\'] [quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'126120\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 01:43 AM\']
I'm guessing sometime this week or next week, we'll see Super Password, since Password Plus got list treatment.
[/quote]
Actually, I'd say it's up in the air, since Bill Dwyer introduced it as "Password Plus, which became Super Password." So maybe both were covered by last night. [/quote]

Hmm...I'm not too much of a fan of that (But I may only be saying that because I like Super Password better.)...
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Post by: Neumms on August 03, 2006, 02:12:28 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'126143\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 10:17 AM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'126135\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:01 AM\']
Original Entertainment Tonight co-host Ron Hendren was born today in 1945.[/quote]
Ron was a last minute switch in the third host's seat. Mario Machado was originally to be co-host with the quickly-into-the-run-dismissed Tom Hallick and Marjorie Wallace. In spite of that, TV-8 in Cleveland {where I used to work} continued running promos for ET mentioning the host team of Tom, Marjorie and Mario well after Dixie Whatley replaced Marjorie and only she and Ron were co-hosting.
[/quote]

Let me ask: Why did they replace Dixie with Mary Hart? What had Mary been doing? (Or whom, if that works better.) And did they go from Ron Hendren to Robb Weller, or was someone in between?
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Post by: clemon79 on August 03, 2006, 02:25:19 PM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'126173\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:07 AM\']
Hmm...I'm not too much of a fan of that (But I may only be saying that because I like Super Password better.)...
[/quote]
Pardon me while I "wow".
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Post by: Don Howard on August 03, 2006, 03:14:38 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'126175\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 02:12 PM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'126143\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 10:17 AM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'126135\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:01 AM\']
Original Entertainment Tonight co-host Ron Hendren was born today in 1945.[/quote]
Ron was a last minute switch in the third host's seat. Mario Machado was originally to be co-host with the quickly-into-the-run-dismissed Tom Hallick and Marjorie Wallace. In spite of that, TV-8 in Cleveland {where I used to work} continued running promos for ET mentioning the host team of Tom, Marjorie and Mario well after Dixie Whatley replaced Marjorie and only she and Ron were co-hosting.
[/quote]
Let me ask: Why did they replace Dixie with Mary Hart? What had Mary been doing? (Or whom, if that works better.) And did they go from Ron Hendren to Robb Weller, or was someone in between?
[/quote]
By the summer of 1982, Entertainment Tonight and the weekend program Entertainment This Week had different co-hosts. Ron and Dixie hosted ET while Steve Edwards and Mary Hart hosted ETW. By late summer, Mary got the weekday gig and Dixie was moved to weekends to co-host with Steve, later replaced by Alan Arthur.
Alan and Dixie left in 1984 and were replaced by the team of Robb Weller and Leeza Gibbons. Shortly after this new ETW duo hit the air, ET's fourth season was beginning and Ron Hendren demanded a raise, which he was not given. If he was offered an increase, the size of it was not pleasing to Ron. So he walked and Robb began two years of double duty, which ended in 1986 when John Tesh took over the ET co-hosting chores with Mary Hart.
Here's your game show connection: In 1985, Peter Tomarken was supposed to become ETW co-host with Leeza, but a conflict arose when Press Your Luck was trying to grab a syndicated berth, which it did not get.
So Robb stayed put on the weekend show.

This has been my 3030th post. As Blake Emmons has said, "How quickly it happens. Thirty and thirty".
Let's see Dylan Lane come up with quips like that. Dylan probably wouldn't even make a good jingle writer.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 03, 2006, 03:24:04 PM
Mary Hart was a co-host on the LA edition of "PM Magazine" and until April of 82 was the co-host of NBC daytime's "Regis Philbin Show."  The ET show came shortly after that.

Of course, Don, you probably already knew that.
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Post by: cweaver on August 03, 2006, 06:00:30 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'126144\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 10:18 AM\']
Yes.  They've shown black-and-white prime-time episodes from the early-to-mid 1960s before, as well as color daytime eps from 1966-67.

Doug
[/quote]

...and one of the promos appears to show a color "Password" from the '60s (Tony Randall) so that's probably what we're going to see when that one comes up.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 03, 2006, 10:08:02 PM
First up tonight? An episode of Win, Lose, or Draw from the first week of the syndicated show with Bert Convy.  (IIRC, it's the Friday ep, but it's been a few years since GSN's ran this, so I don't exactly remember)
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Post by: Scott on August 03, 2006, 10:16:20 PM
Wow.  GSN really seems to have attoned for last week's gaffes, first with Mckee's TTD and Norma Brown's Card Sharks, and now with WLOD starting off night 9.

And, it's The Joker's Wild at 23, Jack Berry's second show on the countdown (Twenty-One at #40)
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on August 03, 2006, 10:31:49 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'126230\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 09:16 PM\']
Wow.  GSN really seems to have attoned for last week's gaffes, first with Mckee's TTD and Norma Brown's Card Sharks, and now with WLOD starting off night 9.
[/quote]
THe Joker's Wild  is 23, and I'm so excited because I've never seen an episode with the second syndie set!  Ain't gonna lie, looks pretty sharp!

Brandon Brooks
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 03, 2006, 10:32:43 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'126234\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 10:31 PM\']
THe Joker's Wild  is 23, and I'm so excited because I've never seen an episode with the second syndie set!!!
[/quote]
I just ended a phone conversation to watch TJW. Bed Bath and Beyond first thing in the morning!
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 03, 2006, 10:33:57 PM
Note to self: Buy BB&B stock.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 03, 2006, 10:42:27 PM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'126228\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 07:08 PM\']
First up tonight? An episode of Win, Lose, or Draw from the first week of the syndicated show with Bert Convy.  (IIRC, it's the Friday ep, but it's been a few years since GSN's ran this, so I don't exactly remember)
[/quote]
WLoD is a better game show than Password Plus, Scrabble, or Card Sharks? Really?
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 03, 2006, 10:46:26 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126238\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 09:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'126228\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 07:08 PM\']
First up tonight? An episode of Win, Lose, or Draw from the first week of the syndicated show with Bert Convy.  (IIRC, it's the Friday ep, but it's been a few years since GSN's ran this, so I don't exactly remember)
[/quote]
WLoD is a better game show than Password Plus, Scrabble, or Card Sharks? Really?
[/quote]

OF course it is, because as we know, if GSN says it's better, it must be, riiiiiiight?

I disagree with it myself, but we've long since established this countdown has absolutely no basis in reality whatsoever, this is just one continuation of a recurring theme (though I could think of a few dozen shows they COULD have aired that WOULD have been worse.)
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 03, 2006, 11:01:46 PM
Just a FWIW - a good squint at the copyright date during the credits (larger TVs help) indicates this was a 1984 episode, putting it right AT the tail end of Barry's run prior to his death.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 03, 2006, 11:02:41 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'126234\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 09:31 PM\']
THe Joker's Wild  is 23, and I'm so excited because I've never seen an episode with the second syndie set!  Ain't gonna lie, looks pretty sharp!
[/quote]
Is this the one with the blue neon lights around the board?
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Post by: clemon79 on August 03, 2006, 11:04:48 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'126243\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 08:02 PM\']
Is this the one with the blue neon lights around the board?
[/quote]
It is indeed. They even threw in an Audience Game at the end, too. I don't remember them doing that every day.
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Post by: ilb4ever2000 on August 03, 2006, 11:09:27 PM
I hadn't seen one of these later TJW episodes before. I'm glad they didn't show one of those tournament episodes again.

On a musical note, I noticed there was a different Face the Devil cue (and it wasn't an old Bullseye cue) and a trip cue I've never heard before.
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on August 03, 2006, 11:14:49 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'126243\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 10:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'126234\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 09:31 PM\']
THe Joker's Wild  is 23, and I'm so excited because I've never seen an episode with the second syndie set!  Ain't gonna lie, looks pretty sharp!
[/quote]
Is this the one with the blue neon lights around the board?
[/quote]
Oh, yes.  To Brandon: I honestly have never felt the need to go to Bed Bath and Beyond for anything before.  I don't even *like* Jack Barry.  But alas, I admit, I've ran out of towels.

Brandon Brooks
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Post by: aaron sica on August 03, 2006, 11:24:45 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126244\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:04 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'126243\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 08:02 PM\']
Is this the one with the blue neon lights around the board?
[/quote]
It is indeed. They even threw in an Audience Game at the end, too. I don't remember them doing that every day.
[/quote]

I think this was a regular occurence, starting with either the 1982 or 1983 season (I want to say 1983)..

I noticed a few things from this episode....I seem to remember someone along the way saying that Jack Barry made up his own rules as he went along...Case in point was when Debbie won the game by getting three jokers and answering the question; I thought the champion had one last spin to try to catch up - did this change?

I also haven't seen too many hosts "tone down" wild contestants...Jack going even so far as to say he didn't like excited contestants and not to jump up and down because the podia will break!
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Post by: clemon79 on August 03, 2006, 11:32:04 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'126251\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 08:24 PM\']
Case in point was when Debbie won the game by getting three jokers and answering the question; I thought the champion had one last spin to try to catch up - did this change?
[/quote]
I am fairly sure that we've covered this, and this is the exception to the rule, as spinning three jokers means "you win and get $500 for doing so", as opposed to "you get your score augmented to $500 and your opponent gets a final spin."
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Post by: irismason42 on August 03, 2006, 11:36:37 PM
The Audience Game may have started in September or October 1981 to take away the annual Tournaments due to its new blue-striped set. I've seen at least one episode with that same set when USA Network reran it at the time I was about a month old watching it.
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Post by: PYLW on August 03, 2006, 11:37:44 PM
Thumbs up once again. Win, Lose, or Draw is one of those shows that you like once you realize that it's gone. And, I've never seen a Jack Barry epsiode of The Joker's Wild, so I am happy. Thumbs up, and the best week so far.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 03, 2006, 11:44:40 PM
[quote name=\'irismason42\' post=\'126253\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 08:36 PM\']
The Audience Game may have started in September or October 1981 to take away the annual Tournaments due to its new blue-striped set.
[/quote]
Best Iris Line Evar.
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Post by: MikeK on August 03, 2006, 11:52:04 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126257\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:44 PM\']
[quote name=\'irismason42\' post=\'126253\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 08:36 PM\']
The Audience Game may have started in September or October 1981 to take away the annual Tournaments due to its new blue-striped set.
[/quote]
Best Iris Line Evar.
[/quote]
Sorry, Chris.  This is the best ever, with my emphasis on why it's the best.

Quote
I've seen at least one episode with that same set when USA Network reran it at the time I was about a month old watching it.

I have the memory of a goldfish but "Iris" can remember stuff from the moment he/she/it popped out of the womb.  Amazing.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 04, 2006, 12:08:56 AM
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'126258\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 08:52 PM\']
I have the memory of a goldfish but "Iris" can remember stuff from the moment he/she/it popped out of the womb.  Amazing.
[/quote]
Oh yeah? I can beat that. I remember when it was light, then dark, then light, then dark, then light...
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Post by: MikeK on August 04, 2006, 12:18:49 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126262\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 12:08 AM\']
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'126258\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 08:52 PM\']
I have the memory of a goldfish but "Iris" can remember stuff from the moment he/she/it popped out of the womb.  Amazing.
[/quote]
Oh yeah? I can beat that. I remember when it was light, then dark, then light, then dark, then light...
[/quote]
But what game shows were on at that time?  Do ya remember that?  That's what I thought.  Iris has you beat. :-)
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Post by: clemon79 on August 04, 2006, 12:21:22 AM
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'126265\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 09:18 PM\']
But what game shows were on at that time?  Do ya remember that?  That's what I thought.  Iris has you beat. :-)
[/quote]
Jeopardy was on, but I could only ever see a single column.

/was originally gonna say "center two columns"
//realized I was the first child
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Post by: Johnissoevil on August 04, 2006, 12:32:00 AM
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'126258\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:52 PM\']
I have the memory of a goldfish but "Iris" can remember stuff from the moment he/she/it popped out of the womb.  Amazing.
[/quote]

I do have him beat.  I wasn't conceived until mid-75 (born in 76), and I remember Joker, Price, and Gambit on their premiere dates! *g*
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Post by: Johnissoevil on August 04, 2006, 12:35:10 AM
[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' post=\'126245\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:09 PM\']
I hadn't seen one of these later TJW episodes before. I'm glad they didn't show one of those tournament episodes again.

On a musical note, I noticed there was a different Face the Devil cue (and it wasn't an old Bullseye cue) and a trip cue I've never heard before.
[/quote]

From what I remember from when GSN reran the show, this new cue replaced the Bullseye music sometime towards the end of the 1982-83 season.  The Bullseye cue did come back when Cullen took over.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 04, 2006, 12:43:59 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126252\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 11:32 PM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'126251\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 08:24 PM\']
Case in point was when Debbie won the game by getting three jokers and answering the question; I thought the champion had one last spin to try to catch up - did this change?
[/quote]
I am fairly sure that we've covered this, and this is the exception to the rule, as spinning three jokers means "you win and get $500 for doing so", as opposed to "you get your score augmented to $500 and your opponent gets a final spin."
[/quote]

Only during the Tournament of Champions did the players get an equal amount of turns.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 04, 2006, 12:50:17 AM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126272\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 09:43 PM\']
Only during the Tournament of Champions did the players get an equal amount of turns.
[/quote]
Totally and completely wrong, and all we have to do is point to the widespread clip of Hal In The Loud Jacket to prove it.

C'mon, mods. Half the time this guy is an idiot making no sense, the other half, he's flat wrong. Do something, I beg of you.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on August 04, 2006, 01:42:21 AM
Whoa, whoa. Wait.

Chris, you pointed out that three Jokers + right answer = game won and over, and if it's the challenger who wins, the champion does not get a final turn.

rebelwrest, in response, was saying that only during tournaments does that not happen--he presumably means that a champion would get a chance to spin in that round.

Now, I have no idea what the rule was for tournaments, but how can the "lucky suit" clip refute the above? That was regular play, with a champ spinning three Jokers.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 04, 2006, 01:52:09 AM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'126282\' date=\'Aug 3 2006, 10:42 PM\']
rebelwrest, in response, was saying that only during tournaments does that not happen--he presumably means that a champion would get a chance to spin in that round.

Now, I have no idea what the rule was for tournaments, but how can the "lucky suit" clip refute the above? That was regular play, with a champ spinning three Jokers.
[/quote]
Which was my point. I interpreted RebelWhatever's statement to mean that "only in TOC's did someone get a final spin, ever." If he meant "in a three-Joker situation", then great, but I'd be shocked, considering his track record.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on August 04, 2006, 01:57:33 AM
Man. Well, all right. I'm not gonna argue track records, and I can certainly see the futility of saying "but that would make no sense". But when I see

"special rule?"
"special rule."
"exception"

with the first two parts quoted before the third, I'm gonna read the third as "exception to special rule", no prompting necessary. It might help that I tend to read a post's content before I notice who wrote it.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 04, 2006, 02:10:14 AM
Sorry. I even looked at it again, and I still don't interpret it that way. He's an idiot. Period.
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Post by: Neumms on August 04, 2006, 07:56:57 AM
Did the audience game change at some point? I thought each player could give up the money from their spin and take a second spin if they thought they could do better.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 04, 2006, 09:16:30 AM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'126296\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 04:56 AM\']
Did the audience game change at some point? I thought each player could give up the money from their spin and take a second spin if they thought they could do better.
[/quote]
I don't think so. I remember it being one spin and one spin only.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 04, 2006, 11:04:55 AM
Sorry

In the situation of the challenger/1st position spinning 3 jokers and a correctly answered question, the game ends during a regular show.  During the TOC, 2nd position gets a final turn.

However, I have a few more question about Joker's Wild TOC.

First Position

If a correct answer is given on a 3 jokers spin, does that mean the score is augmented to $500.

If the answer to that question is yes, and that player has $400, could the player opt to play the question for $200.
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Post by: Neumms on August 04, 2006, 12:30:06 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126304\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 08:16 AM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'126296\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 04:56 AM\']
Did the audience game change at some point? I thought each player could give up the money from their spin and take a second spin if they thought they could do better.
[/quote]
I don't think so. I remember it being one spin and one spin only.
[/quote]


Hmm. Another question from that episode--on the lecterns for the main game, did anyone notice grey panels beneath the score displays? They look like they could be lit. Did these serve a purpose? Did they have jump-in categories late in the run that I never saw?
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Post by: aaron sica on August 04, 2006, 12:51:47 PM
I certainly know Wikipedia's entries should be taken with a grain of salt......In reading about TJW in there, I came across something I don't think is right - but I could be wrong.

It states that the highest value attainable in the bonus round would be $1,575 - meaning if one had $975, then spinning $200, $200, and $200 would net $600 and of course the win, considering $1,000 was exceeded.

Wouldn't it round off at $1,000 because a natural triple was spun, which of course is an automatic win?

Either I'm right, or I'm batting 0 for 2 with Joker's Wild...:)
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Post by: SteveRep on August 04, 2006, 01:01:19 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'126318\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 12:51 PM\']
I certainly know Wikipedia's entries should be taken with a grain of salt......In reading about TJW in there, I came across something I don't think is right - but I could be wrong.

It states that the highest value attainable in the bonus round would be $1,575 - meaning if one had $975, then spinning $200, $200, and $200 would net $600 and of course the win, considering $1,000 was exceeded.

Wouldn't it round off at $1,000 because a natural triple was spun, which of course is an automatic win?

Either I'm right, or I'm batting 0 for 2 with Joker's Wild...:)
[/quote]
I'm not completely sure but there's a 97.23% chance you're right. That would be the cruelest of luck.

I believe the max possible would be $1,525 -- start at 975 and then spin 200-200-150.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 04, 2006, 01:15:11 PM
I was always under the influen...er...impresion that the contestant got whichever of the two was higher - meaning that if they spun the Triple $200's at $975, they'd get $1,575 as opposed to $1,000
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 04, 2006, 01:25:18 PM
Since we are talking about the Wikipedia article on "The Joker's Wild", I saw this statement.

Quote
Between 1981 and 1984, the show (as well as its sister series, Tic Tac Dough) had a winnings limit of $50,000 imposed on it (at the request of CBS, who owned quite a few stations where these shows aired), even though the program was syndicated. As a result, Tournament of Champions play was discontinued.

Is this true?
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Post by: TLEberle on August 04, 2006, 02:04:34 PM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'126322\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 10:15 AM\']
I was always under the influen...er...impresion that the contestant got whichever of the two was higher - meaning that if they spun the Triple $200's at $975, they'd get $1,575 as opposed to $1,000
[/quote]Your impression was incorrect, sir. :) They put up the $1,000 on the board, the contestant won that much, Jack counted out the money, and that was it. Granted, we're only talking about a few hundred dollars every time a natural triple hits when it's close enough to matter, but that's what the deal was.

Replying to Aaron S.: In essence, some youngster who never watched the show as a kid goofed up the Joker's Wild article. Again. Yee haw.
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Post by: DJDustman on August 04, 2006, 02:08:20 PM
Great to see Joker. Is it me or did Jack seem a bit pale and not really enthusiastic about hosting?
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 04, 2006, 02:31:53 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126312\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 11:04 AM\']
First Position

If a correct answer is given on a 3 jokers spin, does that mean the score is augmented to $500.

If the answer to that question is yes, and that player has $400, could the player opt to play the question for $200.
[/quote]

Correct.  It was augmented to $500 and the other player was SOL.

I'm not sure if you could go Off the Board (even though you technically were going off the board in the first place), but I doubt anyone was fast enough on the draw to try, considering it was at least a 200:1 shot of happening.

Also, I think the 3-Joker question could not be claimed by the opponent if answered incorrectly.
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Post by: tyshaun1 on August 04, 2006, 02:52:26 PM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'126333\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 02:31 PM\']
I'm not sure if you could go Off the Board (even though you technically were going off the board in the first place), but I doubt anyone was fast enough on the draw to try, considering it was at least a 200:1 shot of happening.

[/quote]
If you COULD go off the board and play it as a regular question, I would presume the other player would get a shot at it if you missed, so that would be, in short, stupid........
As for the other comment, it was, from what I could tell, a 27:1 shot of 3 Jokers appearing (each window had 3 jokers and 6 category slides....... yeah I counted them last night). And no, the other contestant could not play the missed question, and Jack would say, "the game goes on as before."

Tyshaun
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Post by: clemon79 on August 04, 2006, 02:54:07 PM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'126333\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 11:31 AM\']
considering it was at least a 200:1 shot of happening.
[/quote]
Where do you get this number from? I could almost swear that, on average, three Jokers came up more than once per 200 spins.

Assuming one Joker on each wheel, you'd get 1 in 216, which is what I think you based your math on. I'm suspecting there was more than one on each wheel.

Two Jokers on each wheel turns it into a 1 in about 43 shot, which seems a little closer to reality, don't you think?
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 04, 2006, 03:12:04 PM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'126333\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 02:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126312\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 11:04 AM\']
First Position

If a correct answer is given on a 3 jokers spin, does that mean the score is augmented to $500.

If the answer to that question is yes, and that player has $400, could the player opt to play the question for $200.
[/quote]

Correct.  It was augmented to $500 and the other player was SOL.

I'm not sure if you could go Off the Board (even though you technically were going off the board in the first place), but I doubt anyone was fast enough on the draw to try, considering it was at least a 200:1 shot of happening.

Also, I think the 3-Joker question could not be claimed by the opponent if answered incorrectly.
[/quote]

Thanks Joe

However, my question was about the Tournament of Champions.  So it is correct that the player who spins 3 jokers and answers correctly gets their score augmented to 500 points.  So is it true that the second player has to spin 3 jokers in order to tie or does the score count to any of it?
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 04, 2006, 03:44:55 PM
I never knew the exact wheels so I did some educated guessing. My bad.

It felt like a 200:1 shot, though. :P
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Post by: narzo on August 04, 2006, 04:38:31 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126323\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 12:25 PM\']
Since we are talking about the Wikipedia article on "The Joker's Wild", I saw this statement.

Quote
Between 1981 and 1984, the show (as well as its sister series, Tic Tac Dough) had a winnings limit of $50,000 imposed on it (at the request of CBS, who owned quite a few stations where these shows aired), even though the program was syndicated. As a result, Tournament of Champions play was discontinued.

Is this true?
[/quote]

There definatly was a limit for a while because I remember a couple champions being retired.  Jack explained they had a limit because of the network affilition of some of the stations.  I thought it was $25,000 however and I'm not completely sure this person has the years 100% correct.

Tic Tac Dough had no limit and I don't think Bullseye did either.
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Post by: narzo on August 04, 2006, 04:40:06 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'126296\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 06:56 AM\']
Did the audience game change at some point? I thought each player could give up the money from their spin and take a second spin if they thought they could do better.
[/quote]

Good memory, during the first few weeks that was indeed the rule.
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Post by: uncamark on August 04, 2006, 05:35:52 PM
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'126347\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 03:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126323\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 12:25 PM\']
Since we are talking about the Wikipedia article on "The Joker's Wild", I saw this statement.

Quote
Between 1981 and 1984, the show (as well as its sister series, Tic Tac Dough) had a winnings limit of $50,000 imposed on it (at the request of CBS, who owned quite a few stations where these shows aired), even though the program was syndicated. As a result, Tournament of Champions play was discontinued.

Is this true?
[/quote]

There definatly was a limit for a while because I remember a couple champions being retired.  Jack explained they had a limit because of the network affilition of some of the stations.  I thought it was $25,000 however and I'm not completely sure this person has the years 100% correct.

Tic Tac Dough had no limit and I don't think Bullseye did either.
[/quote]

For that one year when "TJW" and "TTD" were on some CBS-owned stations, champs still stayed on until defeated, IIRC, but officially the contestants had to give to charity anything over $50,000.  In other words, over $50,000 and the only attraction for the champ on "TTD" was trying to beat Thom McKee's mark.

That cue for the Peru trip was a stock cue that first appeared during the first syndicated season, before the Hidey package kicked in.  That seemed to be used for ski trips, along with a stock cue leftover from the first syndie season that was always used for Las Vegas trips.
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Post by: bandit_bobby on August 04, 2006, 06:12:22 PM
It was nice to see a regular episode of Joker from the more well-known sydnicated version of the 70s-80s Thursday. I hadn't seen much of the run.
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Post by: TLEberle on August 04, 2006, 07:21:18 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126335\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 11:54 AM\']
Where do you get this number from? I could almost swear that, on average, three Jokers came up more than once per 200 spins.

Assuming one Joker on each wheel, you'd get 1 in 216, which is what I think you based your math on. I'm suspecting there was more than one on each wheel.[/quote]I remember someone posting the slide count for each wheel, and that it was five jokers and three category slides per wheel. That comes up at 1 in 64. Not great odds, but frequent enough that it wasn't a once-a-year thing.
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Post by: Johnissoevil on August 04, 2006, 09:42:58 PM
[quote name=\'DJDustman\' post=\'126330\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 02:08 PM\']
Great to see Joker. Is it me or did Jack seem a bit pale and not really enthusiastic about hosting?
[/quote]

Yikes!  DJ praising the old TJW?  Scary, man.  But on a serious note, Jack was always pale on whatever he hosted.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 05, 2006, 04:48:19 AM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'126357\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 06:21 PM\']
five jokers and three category slides per wheel.
[/quote]

Now, hold on - there were five categories.  Wouldn't it stand to reason there were probably 5 category slides (1 for each) and then 3 jokers.
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Post by: TLEberle on August 05, 2006, 05:58:08 AM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'126379\' date=\'Aug 5 2006, 01:48 AM\']
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'126357\' date=\'Aug 4 2006, 06:21 PM\']
five jokers and three category slides per wheel.
[/quote]

Now, hold on - there were five categories.  Wouldn't it stand to reason there were probably 5 category slides (1 for each) and then 3 jokers.
[/quote]Not if there were 20 positions in the slide carousel, it wouldn't. And by your theory, it would make as much sense for there to be any number of jokers as any other number.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 05, 2006, 06:13:08 AM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'126380\' date=\'Aug 5 2006, 02:58 AM\']
Not if there were 20 positions in the slide carousel, it wouldn't. And by your theory, it would make as much sense for there to be any number of jokers as any other number.
[/quote]
Okay, then you need to explain it better instead of jumping down Seth's throat. You said:
Quote
I remember someone posting the slide count for each wheel, and that it was five jokers and three category slides per wheel.
...which is not the same as "three category slides in each of the five categories", which is what you should have said if you wanted to get the point across clearly.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 05, 2006, 06:17:53 AM
Oh.  Three of each slide PLUS the five jokers.   Now THAT makes *sense*.   Admittedly, knowing that makes "three category slides" per wheel make significantly more sense than how it did when I initially read it, "three total category slides per wheel".
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Post by: TLEberle on August 05, 2006, 07:16:56 AM
I certainly didn't mean to sound like I was getting up in Seth's business, especially since I can't for the life of me remember anything more about the thread than seeing: "There were twenty slides per wheel. There were three slides for each of the five categories and five jokers on each wheel." 1/4^3= 1/64. If that is indeed the slide makeup. I apologize for the misleading earlier post. This is what happens when you assume that the other guy can read your mind. It's Not Good.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on August 05, 2006, 01:03:02 PM
Ah, but what about Joker! Joker! Joker!, where more Jokers meant more exciteme--

(ducks tomatoes)
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on August 05, 2006, 02:47:20 PM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'126392\' date=\'Aug 5 2006, 12:03 PM\']
Ah, but what about Joker! Joker! Joker!, where more Jokers meant more exciteme--

(ducks tomatoes)
[/quote]
Almost misread that last word for "excreme--"  Just thought I should share.

Brandon Brooka
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 05, 2006, 03:19:14 PM
Weird graphics-geekery related to TJW.

Usually on some of the other B&E shows (at least TTD and B-eye), when a champion's total winnings were displayed on-screen (or when showing how much could be won in the end game), they superimposed the winnings, keyed from an eggcrate. I always thought it was tacky and gaudy, but I also noticed that TJW simply displayed the champ's winnings on his scoreboard, and for the end game, they used a Helvetica-style font to show how much the prize package was worth (it looked like an art card instead of chyron).

I've been spending too much time at the TV station. :-P
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Post by: Steve Gavazzi on August 05, 2006, 05:16:13 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'126395\' date=\'Aug 5 2006, 02:47 PM\']
Brandon Brooka
[/quote]

I thought the proper misspelling of your name was "Branodn Brooks." (http://\"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.game-shows/browse_thread/thread/5ffc4d1aa2ecf9a2/08b67268209803db?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#08b67268209803db\") ;-)
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on August 05, 2006, 08:26:40 PM
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'126404\' date=\'Aug 5 2006, 04:16 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'126395\' date=\'Aug 5 2006, 02:47 PM\']
Brandon Brooka
[/quote]

I thought the proper misspelling of your name was "Branodn Brooks." (http://\"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.game-shows/browse_thread/thread/5ffc4d1aa2ecf9a2/08b67268209803db?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#08b67268209803db\") ;-)
[/quote]
That Brandon Brooka sure is a dumb-ass.

(This'll fix it, once and for all.)
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Post by: sshuffield70 on August 05, 2006, 10:40:15 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'126396\' date=\'Aug 5 2006, 02:19 PM\']
Weird graphics-geekery related to TJW.

Usually on some of the other B&E shows (at least TTD and B-eye), when a champion's total winnings were displayed on-screen (or when showing how much could be won in the end game), they superimposed the winnings, keyed from an eggcrate. I always thought it was tacky and gaudy, but I also noticed that TJW simply displayed the champ's winnings on his scoreboard, and for the end game, they used a Helvetica-style font to show how much the prize package was worth (it looked like an art card instead of chyron).

I've been spending too much time at the TV station. :-P
[/quote]

Nah, it was TTD.  Though several years in, the practice was retired.  Also, it wasn't used when a champion reached $100,000.
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Post by: SteveRep on August 05, 2006, 11:32:37 PM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'126423\' date=\'Aug 5 2006, 10:40 PM\']
Nah, it was TTD.  Though several years in, the practice was retired.  Also, it wasn't used when a champion reached $100,000.
[/quote]
The TTD they showed the other night had Thom McKee's six-figure total up in green super-imposed egg-crate numbers.
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Post by: Don Howard on August 06, 2006, 11:47:50 AM
I'm curious. During the opening months of Play The Percentages, many of the money amounts that were superimposed upon the screen had a very impressive look to them (the graphic shown when the couple won $36000 is what I'm talking about if that's helpful in getting the picture in your mind's eye). Then, like everything else on that show, they cheaped out and went to the eggcrate display. Any idea why they'd deliberately drop a good-looking display for that utter muck?
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on August 06, 2006, 12:29:29 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'126445\' date=\'Aug 6 2006, 10:47 AM\']
I'm curious. During the opening months of Play The Percentages, many of the money amounts that were superimposed upon the screen had a very impressive look to them (the graphic shown when the couple won $36000 is what I'm talking about if that's helpful in getting the picture in your mind's eye). Then, like everything else on that show, they cheaped out and went to the eggcrate display. Any idea why they'd deliberately drop a good-looking display for that utter muck?
[/quote]
Completely a guess ex rectum:  Isn't it a lot easier to shoot an eggcrate than to create a colorful art card?
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Post by: NickintheATL on August 06, 2006, 12:46:38 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'126450\' date=\'Aug 6 2006, 12:29 PM\']
Completely a guess ex rectum:  Isn't it a lot easier to shoot an eggcrate than to create a colorful art card?
[/quote]

The effect of the $36,000 graphic he was referring to sure would have had to have been a flashy art card.  In fact it was really a CG graphic.  They used a lot of them on PtP, at least on the one or two shows and clips that I have seen.  Oh look, there goes a % sign across the bottom of the screen again. :-P
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 06, 2006, 12:53:17 PM
Yeah, lots of the money graphics were animations.  Barry-Enright sure liked their technology.
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Post by: Jay Temple on August 06, 2006, 03:52:05 PM
If anyone said this, I missed the post.

Originally, in TJW's bonus round, a triple took you to $1000 regardless of the dollar value. (And it always bugged me that Jack would explain the rule by saying "natural triple," since there was only one kind of triple in the bonus round.) However, I remember watching Jack announce that they had changed the rule, and if it took you to more than $1,000, you'd get the higher amount.

About the number of jokers on the wheel: I don't know how many there were, but I recall Jack announcing that they were putting more of them on. Prior to that, I had always assumed that each wheel had exactly one joker and one of each category. (At least, that's how we played it at home!)
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Post by: booboo on August 06, 2006, 05:55:35 PM
what was #28 on the list?
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Post by: sshuffield70 on August 06, 2006, 09:44:06 PM
[quote name=\'SteveRep\' post=\'126425\' date=\'Aug 5 2006, 10:32 PM\']
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' post=\'126423\' date=\'Aug 5 2006, 10:40 PM\']
Nah, it was TTD.  Though several years in, the practice was retired.  Also, it wasn't used when a champion reached $100,000.
[/quote]
The TTD they showed the other night had Thom McKee's six-figure total up in green super-imposed egg-crate numbers.
[/quote]

Misread it.  I thought you meant the podium itself.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 06, 2006, 09:47:35 PM
[quote name=\'booboo\' post=\'126483\' date=\'Aug 6 2006, 04:55 PM\']
what was #28 on the list?
[/quote]
That's the $64,000 question.

/There's a (bad) joke in there somewhere, friends. . .

Doug
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Post by: Mike Tennant on August 07, 2006, 10:19:41 AM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'126499\' date=\'Aug 6 2006, 09:47 PM\']
That's the $64,000 question.
[/quote]
You mean the "Hal March question."
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Post by: gsnstooge on August 08, 2006, 10:58:09 AM
On the TJW episode, I think Debbie Flynt (sp?) was also on Bullseye and won at least $5200.
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Post by: Jeremy Nelson on August 08, 2006, 01:05:23 PM
Sure, we know GSN turned this list into "The 50 Most Profitable Games On Our Network (with some Reg Grundy sprinkled here and there)", but since we're through the bottom half of the list now, is ANYBODY on this board convinced that there's no more crap on the list?
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Post by: clemon79 on August 08, 2006, 01:20:41 PM
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'126621\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 10:05 AM\']
Sure, we know GSN turned this list into "The 50 Most Profitable Games On Our Network (with some Reg Grundy sprinkled here and there)", but since we're through the bottom half of the list now, is ANYBODY on this board convinced that there's no more crap on the list?
[/quote]
Has Gong Show run yet?

If not, then no.
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Post by: Jeremy Nelson on August 08, 2006, 01:33:32 PM
The Gong Show hasn't run yet... and now that I've though about it, neither The Newlywed Game or Dating Game have, either. So I guess we ARE stuck with more crap. With 22 spots left, here's the inevitable:

To Tell The Truth    
Match Game    
Family Feud    
Concentration    
The Price is Right    
Lingo    
Pyramid    
Wheel of Fortune
Jeopardy
Hollywood Squares
Press Your Luck
Millionaire
The Newlywed Game
The Dating Game
The Gong Show
Original Password
Chain Reaction (You know they're gonna at least mention it to push their own version)
I've Got a Secret
Now it's just a question of "Where do they rank?"
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 08, 2006, 01:39:16 PM
Quote
Chain Reaction (You know they're gonna at least mention it to push their own version)

Hah! It would behoove GSN to not show this in order to save them the embarrassment of mucking the show up 26 years later. They certainly didn't include this in the Top 50.

I'm sure Let's Make a Deal and Weakest Link are going to show up, and I would hope that What's My Line is up there.
Any bets on Love Connection?

--Jamie
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Post by: clemon79 on August 08, 2006, 01:39:59 PM
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'126624\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 10:33 AM\']
neither The Newlywed Game or Dating Game have, either. So I guess we ARE stuck with more crap.
[/quote]
At least Dating and Newlywed have history going for them...nobody can deny that they were very popular in their time, and probably do deserve to be on a 50 Greatest list, even though in and of themselves they weren't great games.

And they're actually game shows. Whereas Love Connection is not, and you can bet that will show up too, if it hasn't already.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 08, 2006, 01:48:38 PM
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'126621\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 01:05 PM\']
Sure, we know GSN turned this list into "The 50 Most Profitable Games On Our Network (with some Reg Grundy sprinkled here and there)", but since we're through the bottom half of the list now, is ANYBODY on this board convinced that there's no more crap on the list?[/quote]
We're probably due for at least a couple more head-scratchers this week (I'm holding out hope that they're going to pimp their remake by including the original Chain Reaction), but sure, we're getting to the point that there aren't that many "great" shows left.

IGAS, WML, TTTT, Jeopardy, Wheel, Feud, TPIR, Pyramid, Dating, Newlywed, Gong, Concentration, Password, Squares, Name That Tune, Match Game, Millionaire, Press Your Luck and Let's Make A Deal haven't been mentioned yet.  Unless I'm missing something huge, that leaves only three more "lesser" slots.  They almost have to include Lingo since Hollywood Showdown's on the list, and if Remote Control made it then we're likely to see Double Dare mentioned.  That just leaves one, and remember they have rights to Weakest Link.

My chances for What's Going On? now appear greatly diminished.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 08, 2006, 01:52:16 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'126626\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 12:39 PM\']
I'm sure Let's Make a Deal and Weakest Link are going to show up, and I would hope that What's My Line is up there.
Any bets on Love Connection?
[/quote]
I think between you and Rollercoaster we've got the rest of the list.  Slam dunk that LC is included.  The only one I'd question would be TWL (it just doesn't strike me as something that would be in the top half of a "50 Greatest" anything--but I've been wrong before).  And had GONG not been included in the promo clip, I'd question whether it would make the list as well (unlike Chris L., though, I loved GONG and would be glad to see it pop up--please try not to hold that against me).

Doug
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 08, 2006, 01:56:09 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'126629\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 12:48 PM\']
My chances for What's Going On? now appear greatly diminished.
[/quote]
Not to mention NYSI.

Looks like it might just be a battle royale between LC and TWL if Summers DD is included in the listing.

Doug
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Post by: Don Howard on August 08, 2006, 01:57:30 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'126629\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 01:48 PM\']
My chances for What's Going On? now appear greatly diminished.
[/quote]
It's time to honor Lee!
Perhaps in the autumn they could rank The Bottom 50. There's your chance.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 08, 2006, 02:01:53 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'126631\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 10:56 AM\']
Not to mention NYSI.
[/quote]
Exceptional point. That Studs is in the list and Now You See It isn't....well, damn.

(Yeah, I realize that NYSI had two relatively short runs, but....friggin' Studs, man!)
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Post by: Jeremy Nelson on August 08, 2006, 02:55:57 PM
Yeah, I'm sure that all of 6 casual viewers remember Studs.
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Post by: MikeK on August 08, 2006, 04:47:24 PM
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'126634\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 02:55 PM\']Yeah, I'm sure that all of 6 casual viewers remember Studs.[/quote]
Studs was a big show back in the day, a solid second in the dating/romance show field behind Love Connection.  This is not an endorsement for it being on the list.  I'm just saying it was more popular than you think.

Now if That's Amore was on the list...
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Post by: rialtus on August 08, 2006, 05:13:06 PM
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'126634\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 01:55 PM\']Yeah, I'm sure that all of 6 casual viewers remember Studs.[/quote]My wife likes to remind me that she was a paid audience member for this show when she was in college. Yeah, they couldn't even give audience tickets away...
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Post by: uncamark on August 08, 2006, 05:28:15 PM
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'126642\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 03:47 PM\']
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'126634\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 02:55 PM\']Yeah, I'm sure that all of 6 casual viewers remember Studs.[/quote]
Studs was a big show back in the day, a solid second in the dating/romance show field behind Love Connection.  This is not an endorsement for it being on the list.  I'm just saying it was more popular than you think.[/quote]

But people got tired of it real quick, since I don't think it was on longer than two years.

But the fact that it opened the gates for another wave of syndicated dating shows like "Blind Date" and "ElimiDate" (and "The Bachelor" on network) is a claim for being on the list, which like all of these things is subjective and arguable.  Tenuous, but a claim.
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Post by: Scott on August 08, 2006, 10:02:22 PM
And, week 4 kicks off with TWL at 22.  The NBC primetime version gets a brief mention, but it's the Gray syndie version that gets the full ep.

And, it's I've Got a Secret at 21.  Bil makes the obligatory plug for the new version before going into the 70's version.
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Post by: LocalH on August 08, 2006, 10:16:30 PM
Which is good for full-ep treatments, as the syndie version was only a half-hour.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 08, 2006, 10:31:05 PM
I've got a secret is #21.  They worked in a plug for the new version, but it's the 1972 weekly version being shown!
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 08, 2006, 10:34:41 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'126631\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 01:56 PM\']
Looks like it might just be a battle royale between LC and TWL if Summers DD is included in the listing.[/quote]
So now it looks like Love Connection vs Double Dare, and since they have the rights to one of them (and since they already put Studs on the list) the edge has to go to Chuck.

Unless -- heaven forbid -- they're leaving off a major one, like Name That Tune.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 08, 2006, 10:43:14 PM
Seventeen of the last twenty look to be pretty well in hand
To Tell The Truth
Match Game
The Gong Show
60s Password
Millionaire
The Newlywed Game
What's My Line
Love Connection
Family Feud
The Price is Right
Lingo
Pyramid
The Dating Game
Wheel of Fortune
Jeopardy
Hollywood Squares
Press Your Luck

 So, what fills the last 3?

Super Password? (If they listed P+ seperately, I could still see them airing SP)
Concentration?
Name that Tune?
Double Dare? (for some reason, I just can't see this one mentioned/aired.)
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 08, 2006, 11:29:22 PM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'126672\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 10:43 PM\']
 So, what fills the last 3?
[/quote]
Your list of what's "well in hand" doesn't include Let's Make A Deal, and that one really seems a lock.

So if Love Connection is a foregone conclusion, then even if they don't include Super Password (and I don't think they will), there are two slots left for three pretty big shows they don't have:  Concentration, Name That Tune and Double Dare.  As we continue to climb the charts, the "issue" now is omissions.  Which of those was left out in favor of Studs, Shop Til You Drop and Three's a Crowd?

I'll give you another one:  Shop Til You Drop makes the list, but Supermarket Sweep doesn't?  And if it does, then TWO of those major shows get left out.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 08, 2006, 11:47:39 PM
Cannot believe I forgot LMAD.

We're now guaranteed to have, what, two (three) pretty big shows guaranteed to be omitted regardless, assuming all the locks..are (and that's if Super Password is seperate, which I personally don't think it should be, but what I think is immaterial) at LEAST.  A-mazing.

I just cannot see DD on the list, if only due to it's status held as a "kid's show".  I could very well be wrong though.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 08, 2006, 11:52:54 PM
I just remembered something...back when Greed popped up, Bill mentioned that it was the first of 4 shows that Chuck Woolery hosted that were going to be on the countdown.

We've alreay seen Greed and Scrabble.  But Lingo, Dating Game, Love Connection, and Wheel were all hosted by Chuck.  That's 4 more...for six.  That would seem to indicate that 2 of the last 4 are going to be omitted, or, they're going to air Lingo and Love Connection, and completely ignore Chuck's involvement in DG and Wheel.
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Post by: PYLW on August 09, 2006, 12:14:40 AM
Thumbs up today. I almost thought it would be a throw-away, since all Bil mentioned was Anne's version of Weakest Link, but was surprised when George Gray's was showcased. And it was a treat to see that Steve Allen epsiode of I've Got a Secret. I think Concentration will be the one to make the list, with Double Dare and Name That Tune being omitted, unless Love Connection doesn't make it...
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Post by: wheelloon on August 09, 2006, 01:36:58 AM
It would be borderline BLASPHEMY, IMHO, if Concentration and Name That Tune were omitted. Then again, it wouldn't shock me in the least at this point. The fact that shows like Studs and 3's A Crowd would make a best game show list while any one of DD, Concentration, NTT, and Supermarket Sweep might not puts things in perspective quite well...

Not ever seeing a 1972 ep of IGAS, tonight was a real treat for me. Amarillo Slim was good for some laughs, and you can't beat Uncle Milty... ;)
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 09, 2006, 03:46:24 AM
This week starts off with a little surprise for me.  The George Grey syndie Weakest Link at #22.  I never liked Anne Robinson anyway.  Grey was just as good as she was.  This episode didn't get me excited all that much anyway even though I watched the first few minutes of it.  Then along comes...

...another one of my least favorite panel shows with I've Got a Secret(#21).  The only good thing about this was a clip of its revival version before the '70s version.  Hearing that Dwyer made reference to the fact that the original version only lasted for 13 weeks back in '52.  When it was brought back, it stayed on for an amazing 15 years.  Was it really that good?  I dunno, but I'm wondfering why it was brought back in the first place.  A lomg run like that puts it in the Top 10 in terms of longevity anyways.

I have 4 possible shows for those 3 "wild card" slots.  They are:

Concentration
Super Password(if P+ made it, why not?)
Name That Tune
Double Dare

I'm sure at least 2 of them will hit the Top 20 where it picks up again at #20.
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Post by: weaklink75 on August 09, 2006, 07:55:12 AM
[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'126685\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 01:36 AM\']
It would be borderline BLASPHEMY, IMHO, if Concentration and Name That Tune were omitted. Then again, it wouldn't shock me in the least at this point. The fact that shows like Studs and 3's A Crowd would make a best game show list while any one of DD, Concentration, NTT, and Supermarket Sweep might not puts things in perspective quite well...

Not ever seeing a 1972 ep of IGAS, tonight was a real treat for me. Amarillo Slim was good for some laughs, and you can't beat Uncle Milty... ;)
[/quote]


And it shows how the times have changed....Amarillo Slim won $60,000 for the WSOP win, and last night they set the final table for this year's Series, and the winner gets $12 million (heck, even 12th place got a million plus).
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Post by: NickintheATL on August 09, 2006, 08:18:47 AM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'126675\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 11:47 PM\']
I just cannot see DD on the list, if only due to it's status held as a "kid's show".  I could very well be wrong though.
[/quote]

I think it might be on the list for the simple fact that it took a struggling cable channel and seemingly overnight quadrupled it's ratings upon its debut.  That more than amazing fact makes it more than justified (at least in my book) to be on this list, somewhere in the top 20.  I don't see why a show for kids is any different than a show for adults, it's still a game, right?
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 09, 2006, 09:59:07 AM
[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'126701\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 08:18 AM\']
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'126675\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 11:47 PM\']
I just cannot see DD on the list, if only due to it's status held as a "kid's show".  I could very well be wrong though.[/quote]
I think it might be on the list for the simple fact that it took a struggling cable channel and seemingly overnight quadrupled it's ratings upon its debut.  That more than amazing fact makes it more than justified (at least in my book) to be on this list, somewhere in the top 20.  I don't see why a show for kids is any different than a show for adults, it's still a game, right?[/quote]
Although I wouldn't put Double Dare in my personal top twenty, it wouldn't really surprise me to see it in theirs, for the reasons Nicholas mentioned.  Still, if they leave it out in favor of Concentration and Name That Tune, I'd be fine with that.  Omitting either of those classics would just be absurd given some of the lower entries.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 09, 2006, 10:07:20 AM
[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'126701\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 07:18 AM\']
I think it might be on the list for the simple fact that it took a struggling cable channel and seemingly overnight quadrupled it's ratings upon its debut.  That more than amazing fact makes it more than justified (at least in my book) to be on this list, somewhere in the top 20.  I don't see why a show for kids is any different than a show for adults, it's still a game, right?
[/quote]
True that, although if you look at what's potentially left, I can't see DD supplanting any of the remaining entries.  Only GONG would I consider to be bumpable, yet its inclusion in the promo clip seems to indicate that GONG will make the list.  Even though NTT and CONCENTRATION won't be shown, I also can't see DD nudging them out either.  And we've already rehashed the rest of the locks, which DD won't nudge out.

Doug
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Post by: FeudDude on August 09, 2006, 11:22:25 AM
I think NTT will probably be the glaring omission on this list.  Considering that this is a decidedly "younger-skewing" list and that they already included Remote Control, along with the reason Nicholas gave, I just can't see DD not making it.   And Concentration had too long of a history for it to be ignored.  NTT just hasn't had as much of an impact as the other two.
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Post by: Allstar87 on August 09, 2006, 12:44:48 PM
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'126642\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 04:47 PM\']
Now if That's Amore was on the list...
[/quote]

If you don't mind me asking, what's "That's Amore" about? I've never heard of that one.
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Post by: Don Howard on August 09, 2006, 03:15:53 PM
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'126726\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 12:44 PM\']
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'126642\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 04:47 PM\']
Now if That's Amore was on the list...
[/quote]
If you don't mind me asking, what's "That's Amore" about? I've never heard of that one.
[/quote]
How much do you suppose a That's Amore ring would go for on eBay?
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 09, 2006, 03:50:46 PM
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'126726\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 12:44 PM\']
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'126642\' date=\'Aug 8 2006, 04:47 PM\']
Now if That's Amore was on the list...
[/quote]

If you don't mind me asking, what's "That's Amore" about? I've never heard of that one.
[/quote]
It's been 13 years since I've seen it, but let's see what I can remember.

More or less, a married couple preparing for divorce goes and states their case. They each bring a family member or a friend to vouch for them. At the end, the audience votes on who they think has the better case, and whoever wins gets a nice prize (a vacation I believe). The two "contestants" each received a custom ring from the show. Oh, and each guest sat on this interesting raised platform with a thick L-shaped bar in front of them. Would love to have one just for the hell of it.

Interesting idea, but prolly about 10 years before its time. The courtroom genre was dead by 1992, trash talk shows had another three years, and reality shows another eight. ;-)
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 09, 2006, 03:55:15 PM
Let's see, Bill gets 1 show at #48, and there's no representation of Jack Narz and Tom Kennedy whatsoever. If they were going to include the rigged shows, Dotto had a pretty huge impact on the network games. Seven Keys should've been there too.
Ack.

--Jamie
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 09, 2006, 04:10:32 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'126736\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 02:55 PM\']
Let's see, Bill gets 1 show at #48, and there's no representation of Jack Narz and Tom Kennedy whatsoever. If they were going to include the rigged shows, Dotto had a pretty huge impact on the network games. Seven Keys should've been there too.
Ack.

--Jamie
[/quote]

This list seems to be of a controlled design targeted towards the 18-49'ers. (See: Remote Control, Studs) Most people of that age range aren't going to remember either of the last two.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 09, 2006, 04:26:20 PM
[quote name=\'FeudDude\' post=\'126717\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 08:22 AM\']
NTT just hasn't had as much of an impact as the other two.
[/quote]
You're seriously saying that Name That Tune didn't have the same impact as friggin' Double Dare?

That's spoken like someone who wasn't alive for the Tom Kennedy (and / or those who came before him) version. Am I right?
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Post by: Allstar87 on August 09, 2006, 04:50:43 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'126735\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 03:50 PM\']
It's been 13 years since I've seen it, but let's see what I can remember.

More or less, a married couple preparing for divorce goes and states their case. They each bring a family member or a friend to vouch for them. At the end, the audience votes on who they think has the better case, and whoever wins gets a nice prize (a vacation I believe). The two "contestants" each received a custom ring from the show. Oh, and each guest sat on this interesting raised platform with a thick L-shaped bar in front of them. Would love to have one just for the hell of it.

Interesting idea, but prolly about 10 years before its time. The courtroom genre was dead by 1992, trash talk shows had another three years, and reality shows another eight. ;-)
[/quote]

Ah, thanks!

Sounds...interesting. Might be fun to see once or twice, but I don't think I'll go out of my way to find an ep.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 09, 2006, 06:44:43 PM
Please see a new thread in the Big Board for an event designed to determine what we as fans consider to be the 50 Greatest game Shows of All Time, and please plan to do your part by coming up with your own list.
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Post by: tvwxman on August 09, 2006, 07:32:40 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'126735\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 03:50 PM\']
More or less, a married couple preparing for divorce goes and states their case. They each bring a family member or a friend to vouch for them. At the end, the audience votes on who they think has the better case, and whoever wins gets a nice prize (a vacation I believe). The two "contestants" each received a custom ring from the show. Oh, and each guest sat on this interesting raised platform with a thick L-shaped bar in front of them. Would love to have one just for the hell of it.
[/quote]
Everything right, except the divorce thing....  Luca played this for laughs and stressed that the couple of the day were in love, just squabbling at something menial. Divorcing couples was left for Ricki, Jenni, and (my fav at the time) richard Bey.

Done in today's world, it would include divorce. And who gets the stuff. Hmmm...that's a great idea for a game show proposal!
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Post by: SteveRep on August 09, 2006, 08:42:13 PM
I found a listings site that has just the ranking numbers of the show(s) to be featured for the next five episodes (including Wed. night).

Would you want that posted? (Just playing it safe by asking first)
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 09, 2006, 08:48:18 PM
[quote name=\'SteveRep\' post=\'126783\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 08:42 PM\']
I found a listings site that has just the ranking numbers of the show(s) to be featured for the next five episodes (including Wed. night).

Would you want that posted? (Just playing it safe by asking first)[/quote]
I don't think so.  Part of the fun is discovering it for ourselves each night and debating it then.  Anything else does sorta constitute a spoiler.
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Post by: SteveRep on August 09, 2006, 08:52:51 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'126785\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 08:48 PM\']
I don't think so.  Part of the fun is discovering it for ourselves each night and debating it then.  Anything else does sorta constitute a spoiler.
[/quote]
Thought so. I'm the same way (watching to find out). I'll probably forget these too in a good while.
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Post by: FeudDude on August 09, 2006, 09:01:35 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126744\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 04:26 PM\']
That's spoken like someone who wasn't alive for the Tom Kennedy (and / or those who came before him) version. Am I right?
[/quote]

Okay, you shut me up.  I was indeed born after Kennedy's run, and after doing some research, I'll admit I was wrong about the impact of NTT vs. DD.  Still, I wouldn't put it past GSN to shaft NTT.
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Post by: Patrick S on August 09, 2006, 09:10:50 PM
By the way, does anyone know if they will be airing these episodes again after the first-run is over?  I just got GSN so I missed out on over half of them and it would be great to catch them during the overnight hours or something.
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Post by: JasonA1 on August 09, 2006, 09:59:46 PM
Actually if you could post a link or whatever to the spoilers, that'd be fantastic. Speaking solely for myself, but there might be others who agree with me, it was nice to see which shows were coming up on what nights so I knew which to tape, sit down to, etc.

-Jason
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Post by: Scott on August 09, 2006, 10:02:15 PM
And, off we go as the top 20 kicks off with...

Concentration at 20.

19 is To Tell the Truth.  It's an ep from the 70's era (with the lyrical theme song)
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Post by: FOXSportsFan on August 09, 2006, 10:07:39 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'126797\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 10:02 PM\']
And, off we go as the top 20 kicks off with...

Concentration at 20.

19 is To Tell the Truth.  It's an ep from the 70's era (with the lyrical theme song)
[/quote]

Always nice to hear a younger Alan Kalter, isn't it?
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Post by: cacLA8383 on August 09, 2006, 10:17:40 PM
In some ways, yeah. Also should mention that it's the Frank Abagnale episode that GSN aired a few years back of course when the movie Catch Me When You Can was released. Since IGAS and TTTT fell onto this countdown pretty much close to each other, I'm willing to bet that WML? may be coming up real soon on this thing.
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Post by: Scott on August 09, 2006, 10:31:08 PM
Oh, boy.  It's Love Connection at 18.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 09, 2006, 10:56:29 PM
So Name That Tune vs Double Dare is the final question.
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 09, 2006, 10:57:34 PM
What year does the LC appear to be from? I noticed it was with the original theme song...
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Post by: Allstar87 on August 09, 2006, 11:02:34 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'126815\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 10:57 PM\']
What year does the LC appear to be from? I noticed it was with the original theme song...
[/quote]
The copyright date, albeit small, read 1990.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on August 09, 2006, 11:11:44 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'126813\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 10:56 PM\']
So Name That Tune vs Double Dare is the final question.[/quote]
Ever the optimist, Matt?
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Post by: clemon79 on August 09, 2006, 11:25:30 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'126806\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 07:31 PM\']
Oh, boy.  It's Love Connection at 18.
[/quote]
must....avoid...flying....to...Culver....City....and....friggin'....killing....someone....
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 09, 2006, 11:39:50 PM
Interesting to hear a Bhen variant and other TPIR cues when going to break.

Just hearing the setup for TTTT could make your head explode, let alone watching Love Connection afterwards.
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Post by: PYLW on August 10, 2006, 12:29:04 AM
...Meh, thumbs in the middle tonight. It was great to see a 70's TTTT for the first time, and it was a great epsiode. However, to say IGaS, TTTT, amongst others is not as good as Love Connection is just downright silly. How did this show get eleven seasons, originally? Thumbs in the middle tonight.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 10, 2006, 12:43:36 AM
Love Connection IS NOT A GAME SHOW.

There has a been a discussion about this list skewing to a younger demographic.  I think the idea of advertisers going for the 18-35 year olds because they have the most spendable money (forgive me if that sounds confusing or wrong) is Bulls**t.  With student loans, most young people in entry level jobs, and that demographic buying their first basic necessities, there isn't much money left.  Either this demographic in the minds of advertisers either has a lot of spendable cash or the most gullible.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 10, 2006, 02:53:34 AM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126845\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 11:43 PM\']
I think the idea of advertisers going for the 18-35 year olds because they have the most spendable money (forgive me if that sounds confusing or wrong) is Bulls**t.  With student loans, most young people in entry level jobs, and that demographic buying their first basic necessities, cash or the most gullible.
[/quote]
Basic necessities?  Such as soap, shampoo, ketchup, toilet paper?

There's no established brand that I really buy of anything except deodorant--I use Old Spice exclusively.  Otherwise, I buy whatever is on sale, or occasionly, if I see something advertised on TV, I will try it (moreso with food).

Meanwhile, my parents are set in what they buy...Era Detergent, Bounce fabric softener, etc., and they really don't seem to change from this.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 10, 2006, 03:12:48 AM
Era and Bounce are relatively recent products (mid '70s) that were heavily advertised when they came out, so your parents were influenced during their youth.  My mom always bought Tide and I do too, although we did buy Breeze for a while after seeing Dolly Parton advertise it on Porter Wagoner.  Then we figured out the free towel in the box cut down the amount of soap you got.  If you find something that works, why change?

Interesting that Garry Moore's shows were represented by his replacements.

This thread is dangerously close to eclipsing the number of posts on the "internet finds" thread, so this countdown better end soon. :)
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 10, 2006, 03:46:38 AM
This was a split decision night.  Although we started at #20 woth Concentration, like others that got only a slight mention, I wouldm't mind seeing this one.  This brings us to #19,

Nice to see Garry Moore's To Tell The Truth here.  I tried to figure out the imposter based on their looks.  I got the first one even before the panel started the questioning.  I missed the NY Islanders coach one.  Moore did a decent job keeping the panel in line except when he tried to stop Peggy Cass from further questioning, she kept going a bit.

As for #18 in Love Connection. I flat out avoided that one because to me it's not a game show. Rather, it's people trying to hook up with one another.  That's all I'll say about that.

Dom't be surprised if this thread syrpasses the Intenet Find one shortly & maybe even the Millionaire Question thread in a few weeks before the #1 show is revealed.
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Post by: NickintheATL on August 10, 2006, 11:13:25 AM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'126869\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 03:46 AM\']
Nice to see Garry Moore's To Tell The Truth here.[/quote]

You are aware that this was a Joe Garagiola episode....

(Lemon, I can hear you... :P)
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Post by: comicus on August 10, 2006, 11:23:43 AM
No!  Bad GSN!  Bad!  That is NOT where we put Love Connection!  We put Love Connection in the stinky box!  You see that?  You see that?  THAT's where we put Love Connection!  No, no, NO!

And we haven't even fathomed the inevitable wailing and gnashing of teeth that is sure to accompany The Newlywed Game's top five ranking.  (Or have we?  I haven't been following along, really.)
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Post by: clemon79 on August 10, 2006, 11:35:50 AM
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'126896\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 08:23 AM\']
And we haven't even fathomed the inevitable wailing and gnashing of teeth that is sure to accompany The Newlywed Game's top five ranking.  (Or have we?  I haven't been following along, really.)
[/quote]
I've already written off the list completely, but putting TNG in the top five (which means it would have to beat out at least one of Feud, J!, Wheel, TPiR, and Match Game, not to mention several secondary candidates like Millionaire) would just be the absolute corker. I don't expect it to happen.
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Post by: SteveRep on August 10, 2006, 02:04:50 PM
If you can't rank Love Connection (and I can't), can you really rank The Dating Game?

Seems to me there ain't a heck of a lot of difference between the two. Same premise, similar approach, go on date 00 -- although TDG seemed to send the couples to more exotic locales.
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Post by: MrBuddwing on August 10, 2006, 02:26:10 PM
Missed the 1970s TTTT. Could anyone offer any quick details on it? Thanks.
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Post by: GS Warehouse on August 10, 2006, 02:36:10 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126845\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 12:43 AM\']... Either this demographic in the minds of advertisers either has a lot of spendable cash or the most gullible.[/quote]I vote gullible.  The way our educational system is going, young people are not very bright (except for the ones in this forum, of course).

Let me fix that post for accuracy:
Quote
... I think advertisers is Bulls**t...
/I know that's gramatically incorrect, but he didn't use the word "are"
//snipping is good
///but not if you snip too much
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 10, 2006, 02:52:35 PM
[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'126924\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 01:26 PM\']
Missed the 1970s TTTT. Could anyone offer any quick details on it? Thanks.
[/quote]
This was the "Catch Me If You Can" ep--Frank Abagnale was the central character in one spot.  GSN ran this episode a couple of times when the DiCaprio movie came out a few years back.  Garagiola hosted, the panelists were Cullen, Cass, Carlisle and Nipsey Russell.  I believe the ep aired in 1977 originally.

The other spot was a female coach who worked for the NY Islanders (helping to improve their skating and speed).

Doug
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Post by: clemon79 on August 10, 2006, 02:57:29 PM
[quote name=\'SteveRep\' post=\'126919\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 11:04 AM\']
Seems to me there ain't a heck of a lot of difference between the two. Same premise, similar approach, go on date 00 -- although TDG seemed to send the couples to more exotic locales.
[/quote]
I'll tell you what it is: because on LC, the "game" part of it is never seen. On TDG, the whole procedure IS the show: the bachelor (or bachelorette) quizzing the contestants, the decision, the whole deal. On LC, all of that is done beforehand, probably in the contestant's (and for the sake of this discussion I'm gonna say the "contestant" is the one sitting on the couch with Chuck, not the one on the screen) living room, before you ever see the two people, and all you hear about is the aftermath of that procedure. The only game is the little sidegame where the audience votes to see if they picked the same person the contestant picked.

In fact, there's my knock, there's my evidence for all of you who want to suggest that LC is a game show: What game are these people playing while on the show? Not one. NOT ONE. Everything is predetermined beforehand, the contestant has already made up their mind, and the only people actually engaging in any remotely game-related activity are the audience, who are either guessing what the contestant already did, or just picking a date for them. The contestant does nothing there on the couch, the audience does the heavy lifting, and the audience's prize (nothing, unless you count the door prize) changes not one iota if they successfully match with the person the contestant already picked or not. And really, neither does the contestant's; they win a second free date with the person the audience picked regardless, and if it happens to be with the original person and they got along the first time, great.

So to sum, there is no competition, none of the activity is televised, and the prizes never change regardless of anyone's actions.

Love Connection is not a game show. And I feel more confident than ever stating that now.
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Post by: JasonA1 on August 10, 2006, 03:24:37 PM
All the confusion over Connection's status is probably because it has all of the trappings of a game show. A recognizable game show host as the presenter, announcers from a game shows, a snappy theme, live audience, game show-y set, etc. If it had a Jerry Springer-type whooing and oohing audience, and some nobody with a microphone and cards amongst the audience hosting while two guests sat on chairs together on stage, there'd be no debate.

-Jason
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Post by: Don Howard on August 10, 2006, 03:42:19 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'126931\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 02:57 PM\']
Love Connection is not a game show. And I feel more confident than ever stating that now.
[/quote]
You tell 'em, baby. As they say on the 'net.....ITA.
And neither is The People's Court, despite what Stu Billett would have us believe.
If LC and TPC are games, then, by God, so is Face The Nation starring the guy who's been keeping Katie Couric's seat warm for the past seventeen months.
And if FTN is a game show, then it belongs in The Top 50 seeing how it's been on the air for fifty-two years.
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Post by: uncamark on August 10, 2006, 04:49:13 PM
[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'126941\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 02:24 PM\']
All the confusion over Connection's status is probably because it has all of the trappings of a game show. A recognizable game show host as the presenter, announcers from a game shows, a snappy theme, live audience, game show-y set, etc. If it had a Jerry Springer-type whooing and oohing audience, and some nobody with a microphone and cards amongst the audience hosting while two guests sat on chairs together on stage, there'd be no debate.[/quote]

The audience was pretty noisy (in an unsweetened way) on the show that aired last night.

In the 80s, when "reality TV" was applied to perhaps the "Real People"/"That's Incredible" genre of show (which was dying off when "LC" started), people didn't know how to classify it.  Woolery and Eric Lieber would be the first to tell you that it wasn't a game show, but it wasn't really a talk show either.  Rather than just put it in the "Other" category the business threw it in with game shows.  Even though the "relationship" category was created later, the fact is that when Marc Berman lists syndication ratings, he always lumps relationship shows with game shows.  It's unfortunate, but at least the fact that only one relationship show is scheduled for this coming season in syndication is some sort of relief.
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Post by: SteveRep on August 10, 2006, 05:58:09 PM
Thanks. I felt all along that TDG counted but LC didn't. Then I saw what I posted before and resigned myself to having them both count or both not count.

I feel enlightened now. :D
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 10, 2006, 10:00:34 PM
Name that Tune! No episode though.  Lingo is next up, it's a first season episode.
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Post by: Red on August 10, 2006, 10:06:08 PM
Wow, I'm kinda shocked they didn't bias it to the top 5. Nice to see the first season. I liked this season because all the production values were low and a little less professional. Plus it just had a better feel to it. Oh and no models too.
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Post by: Scott on August 10, 2006, 10:06:24 PM
Wow!  Season 1 Lingo!  I have yet to see a lick of the first season since we got the digital reciever and GSN a few months ago.

And, that pretty much guarrantees that WOF will be a Sajak episode.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 10, 2006, 10:10:24 PM
Quote
And, that pretty much guarrantees that WOF will be a Sajak episode.

GSN doesn't have any Woolery episodes, and the upcoming episode certainly wouldn't be a Benerschke one. heh. It's good that GSN did indeed at least mention Name that Tune....

--Jamie
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 10, 2006, 10:16:13 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'126985\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 09:06 PM\']
And, that pretty much guarrantees that WOF will be a Sajak episode.
[/quote]

Let's see...the master copies of at least the absolutely overwhelming majority, if not outright entire, Woolery run are gone, as are some early Sajak-hosted shows, Benirschke was ill-fit as a host, Goen's version was cheap....Generosity here would be a Sajak era show with shopping.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 10, 2006, 10:19:25 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'126986\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 10:10 PM\']
 It's good that GSN did indeed at least mention Name that Tune....[/quote]
God as my witness, I honestly thought for a brief moment that they were going to give us an episode.

If they had, all would have been forgiven.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 10, 2006, 10:30:47 PM
What...the...hell

ANOTHER Lingo episode. Season 5, Jackpot's at $35,000.

They couldn't show Beat the Clock, but they could show TWO Lingos.
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Post by: Scott on August 10, 2006, 10:30:52 PM
And, no other shows tonight, as Lingo gets a double run.
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Post by: daveromanjr on August 10, 2006, 10:33:07 PM
How intensely exciting... two episodes of Lingo.  Wow.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 10, 2006, 10:34:28 PM
Quote
What...the...hell
ANOTHER Lingo episode. Season 5, Jackpot's at $35,000.


I guess this makes idea of them airing both Michael Larson PYL episodes seems all the more likely now.
After tonight, I suppose we can now compile the list of remaining shows with 99.9% certainty:
Dating Game,  Newlywed Game, Family Feud, Match Game, Price is Right, Wheel of Fortune, Jeopardy, Gong Show, Press Your Luck, What's My Line
Pyramid, Password, Millionaire, & Let's Make a Deal.
The quandry is how they'll be arranged...

--Jamie
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 10, 2006, 10:37:58 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'126990\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 10:30 PM\']
And, no other shows tonight, as Lingo gets a double run.[/quote]
This is probably why I thought we might actually have gotten a Name That Tune.  Listing services said we were getting only #17 and #16 tonight.
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Post by: WhammyPower on August 10, 2006, 10:40:25 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'126992\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 09:34 PM\']
I guess this makes idea of them airing both Michael Larson PYL episodes seems all the more likely now.
[/quote]
I was thinking Millionaire until you made that suggestion.  I'll bet that's what's gonna happen on Tuesday.
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Post by: Tim L on August 10, 2006, 10:43:59 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'126993\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 10:37 PM\']
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'126990\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 10:30 PM\']
And, no other shows tonight, as Lingo gets a double run.[/quote]
This is probably why I thought we might actually have gotten a Name That Tune.  Listing services said we were getting only #17 and #16 tonight.
[/quote]


Which points out why I wish GSN could have somehow licensed one time episodes of shows they dont have..Once they got done talking about NTT, I figured we would get 2 Lingo shows..This whole "countdown" has been a total joke..
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 10, 2006, 10:48:14 PM
Quote
I was thinking Millionaire until you made that suggestion. I'll bet that's what's gonna happen on Tuesday.

Ugly as it sounds, I'm betting that Amazing Race pops up.
EDIT: Actually, I'm 100% certain that the Amazing Race is going to appear. I have no information on when, so I'm betting on Wednesday of next week.

--Jamie
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 10, 2006, 10:57:09 PM
They aired Millionaire yet?
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 10, 2006, 11:16:03 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'126997\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 10:48 PM\']
EDIT: Actually, I'm 100% certain that the Amazing Race is going to appear. [/quote]
If that's true, then once again we're left wondering what gets left out.  With fourteen slots left (assuming AR gets one), these fifteen shows haven't been mentioned:

The Dating Game
Family Feud
The Gong Show
Hollywood Squares
Jeopardy
Let's Make A Deal
Password
Press Your Luck
Match Game
Millionaire
The Newlywed Game
The Price is Right
Pyramid
What's My Line
Wheel of Fortune

Plus, if Amazing Race actually gets a slot, what about Survivor?
And if Remote Control, why not Double Dare?
And if Shop Til You Drop, why not Supermarket Sweep?
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Post by: FeudDude on August 10, 2006, 11:24:07 PM
If TAR is indeed getting a slot, then I think the most likely omission would be *gasp* What's My Line?.   I strongly doubt that they'd omit Millionaire, Match Game, Jeopardy!, Wheel, or Price, and the rest of the shows either appear in the promo or are mentioned in the press release.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 10, 2006, 11:36:20 PM
Amazing Race is mentioned in the press release, and there are pictures of it in GSN sell sheet for 50 Greatest Game Shows.
Perhaps, outrageous and upsetting as it sounds, What's My Line is the casualty?
Or...maybe the fact that Amazing Race was mentioned in the press releases doesn't guarantee its appearance and I'm completely wrong.
Every other show that's been in the press release has been featured though...

--Jamie
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 10, 2006, 11:48:06 PM
They would have omitted something to include Line...BTC, perhaps.

Was Dating Game ever actually included in the commercial or PR?  If they're going to include Race, *something* has to get excluded, and it seems like a potential casualty

Edit: I'm viewing the PR on the corporate site now.  Not a single mention of Race. Still definitely in the sell sheet though
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Post by: irismason42 on August 10, 2006, 11:53:58 PM
How about these:
Let's Make A Deal
Press Your Luck
Family Feud(Dawson I)
The $20,000 Pyramid
The Dating Game
Hollywood Squares
Password
Wheel of Fortune
Jeopardy!
Child's Play
Quiz Kids Challenge
Double Dare(CBS)
Match Game '7#
Now You See It
What's My Line?

These above could be in this list but we'll have to see but we do have the sweeps going on with the Top 50 Game Shows list.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 10, 2006, 11:56:13 PM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'127006\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 11:48 PM\']
They would have omitted something to include Line...BTC, perhaps.
[/quote]

Maybe Studs?

Seriously though, GSN wanted to gloat that this is the most successful original programming and give us two episodes for our enjoyment punishment.
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Post by: TonicBH on August 10, 2006, 11:58:21 PM
[quote name=\'irismason42\' post=\'127007\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 08:53 PM\']
How about these:
...
Quiz Kids Challenge
Double Dare(CBS)

[/quote]

Are you nuts? The Quiz Kids Challenge was a big heaping dose of "meh". I mean, I thought the concept was good, but replace the kids with another set of adults and you have a generic quizzer. and Jonathan Prince wasn't the best host out there.

Double Dare... no, just no.

Oh wait, this was an irismason post. I just realized my goof.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 10, 2006, 11:58:52 PM
What's My Line? has been running on the network almost continuously since GSN started.  It ran originally for twenty-five years, seventeen of those in prime time.  There are clubs and discussion groups today devoted to its greatness.  On TV Guide's 2001 list of the 50 Greatest, it was fifth.  GSN has the rights to air it.  Shop Til You Friggin' Drop made the list.  There is no way WML? gets left out.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 11, 2006, 12:00:21 AM
Quote
Edit: I'm viewing the PR on the corporate site now. Not a single mention of Race. Still definitely in the sell sheet though
 

My mistake, it was the sell sheet from which I was remembering this excerpt: From Truth or Consequences to the Amazing Race and its current run, this special television event will cover all the wins and losses ....etc. etc.

The more I think about it, the more ludicrous it would be for What's My Line to be shafted in favor of Amazing Race. Perhaps it's Dating Game that'll get dumped? I don't remember it in any promos.
I have no idea how this'll work out, so I'm just going to stop attempting to make any predictions and wait just like everyone else...

--Jamie
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Post by: FeudDude on August 11, 2006, 12:09:38 AM
TDG does appear in the promo.  And yes, I agree that it would be straight-up blasphemy if WML? was omitted, but I can't think of anything else that they could leave out.  I can only hope that the mention of TAR on the sell sheet was an error.
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Post by: comicus on August 11, 2006, 12:26:09 AM
Gee, what did we do to deserve two episodes of Lingo?

Maybe top five for Newlywed Game was a bit of a stretch... top ten, then.  Over/under, whatdyall got?
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Post by: SimpsonGeek on August 11, 2006, 12:33:57 AM
Well...here's what's been mentioned/pictured in the press release sthat we haven't seen yet:

- Match Game
- Jeopardy
- Who Wants to be a Millionaire
- Newlywed Game
- Press Your Luck
- Hollywood Squares
- Amazing Race
- Family Feud


And here is what's also been seen on the TV Ads:

- The Dating Game
- $20,000 Pyramid
- Let's Make A Deal
- Password
- The Gong Show


What hasn't been mentioned, but would be considered top 10 material:

- The Price is Right
- Wheel of Fortune
- What's My Line



Well, it looks alot like GSN dosen't think What's My Line is a show that's up to par with shows like Studs, Dog Eat Dog, or Three's A Crowd......sad

Surely, they wouldn't skip Price just because they don't own the rights, would they?
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 11, 2006, 12:52:58 AM
They talked about Remote Control, Truth or Consequences, 21 (I thought they owned had the 2000 version?), Studs, etc.

Price is Right is a show that has been on the air continuously for 34 years, and has an extremely strong following among college students, one of the demos GSN wants to attract in the first place.  NO way GSN leaves it out.  NO way. (And if they do, people genuinely need to be FIRED, as someone simply failed, outright, to do their job). Wheel is...well...Wheel. What's My Line has aired on the network longer than the significant majority of other shows (Only 2 G-T shows, FF and MG, have aired on GSN a longer period of time, and only two non-G-T shows come to mind (NG, J!) as also surpassing it.  

I do believe something that was advertised to someone (be it viewers or advertisers) is getting shuffled to the back.  Gong, DG, and Race, at least to me, seem to be the 3 most likely candidates.  My money's on Race.
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Post by: PYLW on August 11, 2006, 01:50:52 AM
Thumbs down tonight, and a very sour way to end the week, which was only ok. TWO epsiodes of Lingo? Actually, I thought they were going to air the 80's version after the first season epsiode, but then I realized my stupidity...and oh great, an epsiode of Lingo I literally saw two weeks ago...

I think it's The Race that'll get shafted, but I don't know...
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Post by: Don Howard on August 11, 2006, 03:33:32 AM
It needs to be said and shall be said now.
GSN: The Network For Games is staffed by poopy-butts.
Next Tuesday, I'm expecting Mall Masters and DJ Games.
Time again to grab that VHS and erase, erase, erase. 2 Lingos.
Is Playmania on their Top 50 as well?
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 11, 2006, 03:46:22 AM
This whole week was an up & down affair.  Naturally, Name That Tune(#17) gets a passing mention.  Now, on to #16...

...Lingo L-I-N-G-O(sorry, couldn't  resist).  The first episode shown takes me back exactly 4 years to this month it first appeared on GSN.  Thought that was neat to see.  Sure it was cheap, but how can you not go wrong with US players being in Holand to tape this "experiment" that turned into the longest original GSN game show going.

As for its 2nd airing, all I can say is meh.  So, that finishes this week's procddeings.

35 shows down & 15 to go,  I have a pretty good feeling what shows will show up.  The only questiom is, will TPIR be mentioned somewhere in the Top 5?  We'll see when we resume at #15.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 11, 2006, 10:12:30 AM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'127024\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 12:50 AM\']
I think it's The Race that'll get shafted, but I don't know...
[/quote]
My money's on GONG.  I'd bet that GONG made their initial top 50 and included it in the promo clip.  Then they tried to license an episode but "music clearance" got in the way.  So they bumped GONG, everything else got moved up one (and 3AC--another Barris show--was the beneficiary, getting into the top 50).  Then GSN airs the promo, but with GONG still in it.

Despite my own warm and fuzzy feelings about GONG, I can't see the execs at GSN making it top-15 of all time.

Doug
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Post by: clemon79 on August 11, 2006, 10:20:05 AM
Again, I haven't been following this, but has Concentration been mention yet?
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 11, 2006, 10:21:05 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127045\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 09:20 AM\']
Again, I haven't been following this, but has Concentration been mention yet?
[/quote]
Yep.  It was #20.

Doug
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Post by: clemon79 on August 11, 2006, 10:21:49 AM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'127020\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 09:52 PM\']
(And if they do, people genuinely need to be FIRED, as someone simply failed, outright, to do their job).
[/quote]
That statement became true at number....what was it, #46? Wherever Studs was.

Studs. Friggin' Studs.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 11, 2006, 10:58:41 AM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'127043\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 10:12 AM\']
Despite my own warm and fuzzy feelings about GONG, I can't see the execs at GSN making it top-15 of all time.
[/quote]
Thing is, what would make a Gong omission so glaring at this point is the fact that they've already included $1.98 Beauty Show, a totally forgettable show that owes its very existence to the success of Gong.  It would be like including Joanie Loves Chachi in a list of all-time great sitcoms and leaving out Happy Days.
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Post by: cweaver on August 11, 2006, 11:02:09 AM
[quote name=\'SimpsonGeek\' post=\'127017\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 11:33 PM\']

And here is what's also been seen on the TV Ads:

- The Dating Game
- $20,000 Pyramid
- Let's Make A Deal
- Password
- The Gong Show
[/quote]

Don't forget The Hollywood Squares, the Marshall version appeared in a promo.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 11, 2006, 11:04:24 AM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'127049\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 10:02 AM\']
[quote name=\'SimpsonGeek\' post=\'127017\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 11:33 PM\']

And here is what's also been seen on the TV Ads:

- The Dating Game
- $20,000 Pyramid
- Let's Make A Deal
- Password
- The Gong Show
[/quote]

Don't forget The Hollywood Squares, the Marshall version appeared in a promo.
[/quote]
HSq was in the press release--I think SimpsonGeek just didn't want to duplicate any shows, as we're at this point trying to figure out what show could possibly be given the shaft.

Doug
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SRIV94 on August 11, 2006, 11:12:50 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127048\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 09:58 AM\']
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'127043\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 10:12 AM\']
Despite my own warm and fuzzy feelings about GONG, I can't see the execs at GSN making it top-15 of all time.
[/quote]
Thing is, what would make a Gong omission so glaring at this point is the fact that they've already included $1.98 Beauty Show, a totally forgettable show that owes its very existence to the success of Gong.  It would be like including Joanie Loves Chachi in a list of all-time great sitcoms and leaving out Happy Days.
[/quote]
I'm with you there.  But my feeling is that if GONG were in this countdown, it would've aired/been mentioned already.  I can't imagine that GSN execs who compiled the list would look at GONG with the same kind of fondness I do and put it high in the countdown.

But, hey, I've been wrong before. . .

Doug
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cweaver on August 11, 2006, 11:18:15 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127048\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 09:58 AM\']
Thing is, what would make a Gong omission so glaring at this point is the fact that they've already included $1.98 Beauty Show, a totally forgettable show that owes its very existence to the success of Gong.  It would be like including Joanie Loves Chachi in a list of all-time great sitcoms and leaving out Happy Days.
[/quote]

Of course putting Joanie Loves Chachi on any top 50 list of sitcoms would be like compiling a list of game shows and including Studs...oh wait, nevermind.
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Post by: PYLW on August 11, 2006, 11:50:05 AM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'127051\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 11:12 AM\']
I'm with you there.  But my feeling is that if GONG were in this countdown, it would've aired/been mentioned already.  I can't imagine that GSN execs who compiled the list would look at GONG with the same kind of fondness I do and put it high in the countdown.

But, hey, I've been wrong before. . .

Doug [/quote]

Well hey, Gong is a very popular show, believe it or not. Even with non-game show fans, it's a pretty decent and popular hit. Heck, our school STILL does a version of The Gong Show every year...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SRIV94 on August 11, 2006, 12:08:32 PM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'127060\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 10:50 AM\']
Well hey, Gong is a very popular show, believe it or not. Even with non-game show fans, it's a pretty decent and popular hit. Heck, our school STILL does a version of The Gong Show every year...
[/quote]
There's no question it was popular.  I've heard rumblings that NBC's decision to cancel GONG in 1978 was not a ratings decision (although I'm not sure how accurate that is).  I'm somewhat comfortable in saying that that for as many people who loved GONG, there were prolly just as many who hated it.  There are at least a couple of biases to justify it:

1.  It's not a game show
2.  Barris shows are schlock

Those who hate the show could probably come up with more.  A lot more.  Doesn't change my love for the show, but the more shows I see in this countdown that aren't GONG, the harder I'd find it to believe that GONG deserves to rank higher than those shows in, say, the top 25 (which isn't to say I didn't rank it higher in my own personal list).

And if that made sense, someone please explain it to me.  :)

Doug
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Scott on August 11, 2006, 02:36:32 PM
Well, so far, it's been a roller-coaster ride for the special.  Night 12= Thumbs in the middle.  We did get a rare season 1 episode of Lingo, but they wasted the second half hour on a second ep, which they could've used to slot Name That Tune or #15.

Week 4 as a whole also gets a thumbs in the middle.  We got some goodies (IGAS, TTTT), but we also got some klunkers (Double Lingo).  We'll see what Week 5 has to offer as we get down to the home stretch.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: GS Warehouse on August 11, 2006, 04:21:20 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127048\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 10:58 AM\']... $1.98 Beauty Show ... owes its very existence to the success of Gong.  It would be like including Joanie Loves Chachi in a list of all-time great sitcoms and leaving out Happy Days.[/quote]
Actually, such a list exists in Korea. [ducking]
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: snowpeck on August 11, 2006, 04:48:00 PM
Well, in looking ahead at what positions will be covered each night, it seems we're going to get at least 3 more hour-long shows (or two episodes of something)... one of them is probably Press Your Luck - they promised the Larson episodes... but what are the others?  Millionaire and Race? TPIR maybe?



Greg
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 11, 2006, 06:22:02 PM
[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'127088\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 01:48 PM\']
one of them is probably Press Your Luck - they promised the Larson episodes...
[/quote]Who did? (I suppose I should start Tivoing this, it would be nice to have those on a DVD, I guess.)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: WhammyPower on August 11, 2006, 07:17:46 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127094\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 05:22 PM\'] [quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'127088\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 01:48 PM\']
one of them is probably Press Your Luck - they promised the Larson episodes...
[/quote]Who did? (I suppose I should start Tivoing this, it would be nice to have those on a DVD, I guess.) [/quote]
The promos have clips from the Larson eps.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: snowpeck on August 11, 2006, 07:45:29 PM
[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'127100\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 07:17 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127094\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 05:22 PM\'] [quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'127088\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 01:48 PM\']
one of them is probably Press Your Luck - they promised the Larson episodes...
[/quote]Who did? (I suppose I should start Tivoing this, it would be nice to have those on a DVD, I guess.) [/quote]
The promos have clips from the Larson eps.
[/quote]


From the press release:

"In course of telecasting these classic shows, “The 50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time,” will bring back memorable episodes from the game show library including such gems as the most notorious “Newlywed Game” episode which host Bob Eubanks denied existed for many years, and Michael Larson’s scandalous “Press Your Luck” performance, with the late Peter Tomarken as host."


Greg
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SRIV94 on August 11, 2006, 07:47:51 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127094\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 05:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'127088\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 01:48 PM\']
one of them is probably Press Your Luck - they promised the Larson episodes...
[/quote]Who did? (I suppose I should start Tivoing this, it would be nice to have those on a DVD, I guess.)
[/quote]
This was in the press release:

Quote
In course of telecasting these classic shows, "The 50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time," will bring back memorable episodes from the game show library including such gems as the most notorious "Newlywed Game" episode which host Bob Eubanks denied existed for many years, and Michael Larson's scandalous "Press Your Luck" performance, with the late Peter Tomarken as host.

Doug
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 11, 2006, 08:06:06 PM
Well, there ya are, then. Thanks. :)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 11, 2006, 10:05:29 PM
At first I thought the remaining 15 were obivous.

Then someone mentioned The Amazing Race being mentioned in Pomotion materials.

I went to gsn's website and the show page for 50 greatest game shows.  The still photos on the page have not one but FIVE photos from the Amazing Race.  Don't know if that means anything.

Boy I love the Amazing Race.   It is not only one of my favorite game shows but one of my favorite TV shows ever.  I would  have loved to seen it on the list especially over some on the choices(one of which is NOT even a game show).  However, I just don't see how you rank it over the 15 other shows left.

Although for a wild thought: as a way to keep people in suspense on what shows are left, since in liklihood they can't air it,  could they pull a fast one and say The Price is Right is in a class all by itself and just can't be compared to anything else and give it a "special grand prize"
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Post by: mbc793 on August 12, 2006, 12:08:36 AM
I wouldn't even rank it pass the top 20 or so. I dunno, it's ok, but I wouldn't waste a couple of hours to watch it *shrugs*
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cweaver on August 12, 2006, 11:02:11 AM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127112\' date=\'Aug 11 2006, 09:05 PM\']
Although for a wild thought: as a way to keep people in suspense on what shows are left, since in liklihood they can't air it,  could they pull a fast one and say The Price is Right is in a class all by itself and just can't be compared to anything else and give it a "special grand prize"
[/quote]

That seems to me to be a more apt description of The Amazing Race than The Price is Right.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Sonic Whammy on August 12, 2006, 07:06:34 PM
Last night, got home and was interested in Wednesday and Thursday night's choices for 20-16. The only one I totally disagree with is Love Connection, only because I still don't see the game or the prize in it compared to the other shows. Heck, even Studs and Dating Game at least gave you something apart from the flesh.

In any event, my impression of what should be in the top 15 (although one's gonna get shafted, more on that in a minute):

Press Your Luck - Above expectations (Remember, Lemon, I said it would be low 20's to high teens)
Pyramid - Top 10
Password - Top 10
Price is Right - Top 10, yet a shame it won't be #1 cuz GSN can't air it (which ticks us all off)
Gong Show - WAY above expectations
Dating Game - WAY above
Newlywed Game - Above
Match Game - Top 10, wouldn't be surprised if it was #1 since that's the way the Feast of Favs always ended up...
Hollywood Squares - Top 10
Family Feud - Top 10
Millionaire - Top 10
What's My Line? - Top 10
Jeopardy! - Top 10
Wheel of Fortune - Right where it should be
Let's Make a Deal - Right where it should be

Now that's 15. Then there's those Amazing Race pics that some of you saw in the promo material. Race as a top 15 show? Hmm... gotta be honest, that's WAY above expectation for me. Heck, I don't even put Survivor in the top 15. Bottom line, they both deserve to be somewhere in the overall list, with Survivor getting a slightly higher spot between the two (and I don't even like Survivor, so chew on that).

So now, like you're all saying, who does Race bump...? Personally, I don't care, none of the 15 I mentioned deserve that slap in the face. To say that $1.98, Studs or even Shop Til You Drop is better than something mentioned above...?

Well, we knew coming into this some people were gonna leave unhappy. I just hate that it had to come down to these guys...

And I'm still amazed PYL beat Concentration...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Don Howard on August 12, 2006, 08:43:43 PM
I just don't see The Amazing Race as a game show. And even if I did, I wouldn't give it a spot in The Fantastic Fifteen. The Amazing Race deserves inclusion in this list just as much as Face The Nation does. And if GSN: TNFG slots FTN in one of the remaining positions, hopefully they'll show us one of those long-thought-erased episodes hosted by George Herman.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cweaver on August 12, 2006, 09:06:19 PM
[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' post=\'127186\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 06:06 PM\']
Price is Right - Top 10, yet a shame it won't be #1 cuz GSN can't air it (which ticks us all off)
[/quote]

Is there any reason GSN can't lease one ep of this one, maybe a half hour 1972-75 show?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: irismason42 on August 12, 2006, 09:19:36 PM
It's CBS who's felt that the older eps. of TPIR would hurt the first run's ratings so CBS won't have GSN any chances to show any half hour PIR episodes this time around.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 12, 2006, 10:03:31 PM
[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' post=\'127186\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 06:06 PM\']
Price is Right - Top 10, yet a shame it won't be #1 cuz GSN can't air it (which ticks us all off)
[/quote]
1)Unless you are on the inside, you don't know this.  Maybe they were somehow able to negotitate a 1-time airing.
2)Please don't speak for the group...something tells me there's a handful of people who won't be too dissapointed if Price doesn't air (I, for one, would love to see it, though).
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 12, 2006, 10:09:45 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'127193\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 06:06 PM\']
Is there any reason GSN can't lease one ep of this one, maybe a half hour 1972-75 show?
[/quote]
Costs money. And they know CBS will soak the hell out of 'em even for one show, mainly because they really have no choice but to do it. If they gloss over any single one of their Top 10 without showing an ep, it's gonna be pretty glaring. And of those likely top 10, I think Price is the only one that they might have that problem with.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Sonic Whammy on August 13, 2006, 09:43:38 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127200\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 10:03 PM\']
2)Please don't speak for the group...something tells me there's a handful of people who won't be too dissapointed if Price doesn't air (I, for one, would love to see it, though).
[/quote]
I know what you mean, I'm not usually one to do that. Just seems like all the time the discussion of Price has come up on this thread, who talks the loudest? The ones who want to see it. So it makes it sound like everyone.

Hmm... sounds like at least one fan of another show I know of... ;-P
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: DrBear on August 14, 2006, 07:41:37 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'126865\' date=\'Aug 10 2006, 01:53 AM\']
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'126845\' date=\'Aug 9 2006, 11:43 PM\']
I think the idea of advertisers going for the 18-35 year olds because they have the most spendable money (forgive me if that sounds confusing or wrong) is Bulls**t.  With student loans, most young people in entry level jobs, and that demographic buying their first basic necessities, cash or the most gullible.
[/quote]
Basic necessities?  Such as soap, shampoo, ketchup, toilet paper?

There's no established brand that I really buy of anything except deodorant--I use Old Spice exclusively.  Otherwise, I buy whatever is on sale, or occasionly, if I see something advertised on TV, I will try it (moreso with food).

Meanwhile, my parents are set in what they buy...Era Detergent, Bounce fabric softener, etc., and they really don't seem to change from this.
[/quote]

Just to go back and deal with this...

It's not that 18-34s have more disposable money, it's that they are more likely to try different or new products. As Mark indicated, once you past that level, you're more likely to say "I buy Era because I've bought Era in the past, it works, and I see no reason to change." The older folks do have as much or more disposable income, but except for deciding between Fibercon and Metamucil, they're not listening to the siren songs.

Or as Lewis Black said, "You don't suddenly look at a Pepsi ad and think 'maybe I've been wrong all these years. There's another way I should be getting my sugar.'"
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 14, 2006, 10:56:36 AM
Quote
I just don't see The Amazing Race as a game show.

Niether do I.  I don't consider Survivor one either.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 14, 2006, 09:49:49 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'127192\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 08:43 PM\']
I The Amazing Race deserves inclusion in this list just as much as Face The Nation does. [/quote]


Not sure I see your point for comparing a competition show to a politicial discussion show.

But after your comparison all I could picture was Republicans and Demcrats discussing the issues while hangliding, bungee jumping, and eating Ostrich eggs which is  kind of funny
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLdude on August 14, 2006, 10:49:24 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127432\' date=\'Aug 14 2006, 09:49 PM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'127192\' date=\'Aug 12 2006, 08:43 PM\']
I The Amazing Race deserves inclusion in this list just as much as Face The Nation does. [/quote]


Not sure I see your point for comparing a competition show to a politicial discussion show.

[/quote]

You missed the point. Don means that since neither is a game show, neither should be on the list.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Scott on August 15, 2006, 10:02:22 PM
And, we're getting down to the good stuff.  #15 is an episode of the original Password with "The Odd Couple"'s Tony Randall.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: snowpeck on August 15, 2006, 10:07:18 PM
From the color primetime run no less.


Greg
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: irismason42 on August 15, 2006, 10:09:41 PM
And guess what it is for this Password episode, it's a color primetime episode from March 19, 1967 which has not seen since 1997.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Joe Mello on August 15, 2006, 10:23:26 PM
Hey, it's the old Password, ranked higher that the newer Password.  With some classic Password hijinks, too.

I'd say the first half was a home run, and maybe even worth a Bed, Bath, and Beyond run.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Scott on August 15, 2006, 10:32:21 PM
And, more classic goodness as What's My Line drops in at #14.  It's a 70's-era episode.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 15, 2006, 10:32:40 PM
What's My Line at 14.   Whew...

1973 Color ep, Blyden run.  Jimmy Carter is contestant 1, Joan Fontaine is MG.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 15, 2006, 10:35:48 PM
Thing is, I'd LIKE to think they had a huge discussion over whether they should lump together Password and Password Plus, with much spirited debate and banging on the table and such, but I'm quite sure went more like this:

Bob: "Hey, Tom, should we lump Password and Password Plus together?"

Tom: "Naw."

Bob: "Okay. So...Chili's for lunch?"
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Joe Mello on August 15, 2006, 10:37:29 PM
Ahhhh, these double entendres just don't get old.  :D

I'll get the towels.

Quote
Thing is, I'd LIKE to think they had a huge debate over whether they should lump together Password and Password Plus, with much spirited debate and banging on the table and such, but I'm quite sure went more like this:

Bob: "Hey, Tom, should we lump Password and Password Plus together?"

Tom: "Naw."

Bob: "Okay. So...Chili's for lunch?"

And you're complaining?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 15, 2006, 10:47:56 PM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'127551\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 07:37 PM\']
And you're complaining?
[/quote]
Honestly, I have so little respect for this entire process that I'm beyond caring. They went On Notice with Studs, they became Dead To Me when it became conclusive that they think there are fifty better game shows (including Studs, Love Connection, and The $1.98 Beauty Show) than Now You See It, Three On A Match, or The Who, What, Or Where Game.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Joe Mello on August 15, 2006, 10:58:18 PM
Considering the sheer amount of pessimism on this board, I can't believe that you'd be disappointed in how half-assed this series was, especially in the beginning.  (I'm thinking more thought was put into the top than the bottom, anyway.)  This project was fairly rushed, wasn't it?

Wow, this is a funny episode.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 15, 2006, 10:58:51 PM
My guesses the rest of the way

13. Press Your Luck
12. The Gong Show
11. The Dating Game
10. Hollywood Squares
9. Let's Make a Deal
8. The Newlywed Game(They love Barris so much they will show two)
7. Millionaire
6. Pyramid
5. Family Fued
4. Match Game
3. Jeopardy
2. Wheel Of Fortune
1. The Price is Right
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on August 15, 2006, 11:02:48 PM
Quote
Honestly, I have so little respect for this entire process that I'm beyond caring. They went On Notice with Studs, they became Dead To Me when it became conclusive that they think there are fifty better game shows (including Studs, Love Connection, and The $1.98 Beauty Show) than Now You See It, Three On A Match, or The Who, What, Or Where Game.

I personally would've rather that they used Fred Wostbrock's list of 60 all time faves from Ultimate TV Game Show Book as a reference.
He may not consider Card Sharks, Concentration, or Video Village to have been great enough to be on the list, but dammit we could've seen The Diamond Head Game, Hollywood Connection, and GSN could've struck a 1 episode deal for The Neighbors!

Game show guru with very interesting taste, he is. Mostly better than some of things GSN execs thought up, nonetheless.

--Jamie
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 15, 2006, 11:08:32 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127556\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 09:58 PM\']
8. The Newlywed Game(They love Barris so much they will show two) [/quote]
That's why they showed double runs of all the other Barris shows, huh?
Quote
5. Family Fued
Feud.
How hard is that?
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Post by: wheelloon on August 15, 2006, 11:08:59 PM
Tonight made me happy, seeing a primetime Password and a 70's WML. I'm most thankful WML did indeed make the list, even though I would've ranked TTTT higher on a greatest games list myself, mostly due to its multiple successful runs, and more recent incarnations being seen on TV. Primetime Password, as always, was a hoot, and Tony Randall is always fun to watch.

All that aside, the following occurred to me. Password was seen at 15 tonight, but the original PYL has not been seen on that list yet, and even though I rank PYL higher on my personal GS favorites list than the original Password, on an all time greatest GS's list, taken in the influence they've had on American pop culture, TV, and future game shows (and how many spinoffs and ripoffs has Password had at this point!?), I'd think Password would've ranked MUCH higher on the list, as a big contender for a top 5 spot...

Then again, that's just my personal opinion, as always...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 15, 2006, 11:13:24 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127556\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 09:58 PM\']
1. The Price is Right
[/quote]

Honestly, I'm sorry, but unless GSN suddenly pulls TPiR rerun rights out of their ass, I just don't think this will be #1.  GSN would have to be suffering from - if nothing else - a lack of sense (if from nothing else the business standpoint) to make #2 MG/FF/WoF/J!/whatever, and then right before the fee plugs have their little "Ohbythewaynumber1isThePriceisRightOKThanksBye" spiel.  

TPiR won't be #1 unless they've either reaquired the series (That'll be the day), or have acquired a one-off episode.  (Well, I suppose if Fremantle/CBS were anal enough, they could go around them and lease the Davidson eps from Paramount, but given the identification of TPiR with Barker, I'd imagine that would seem a bit of a letdown to some though)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: BrandonFG on August 15, 2006, 11:15:13 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127561\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 11:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127556\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 09:58 PM\']
8. The Newlywed Game(They love Barris so much they will show two) [/quote]
That's why they showed double runs of all the other Barris shows, huh?
Quote
5. Family Fued
Feud.
How hard is that?
[/quote]
Mark, c'mon. Do you have to correct every single spelling mistake someone makes, esp. a word like Feud, which I can understand tricking people up?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 15, 2006, 11:19:12 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127561\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 11:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127556\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 09:58 PM\']
8. The Newlywed Game(They love Barris so much they will show two) [/quote]
That's why they showed double runs of all the other Barris shows, huh?
[/quote]

No but they included episodes of his two terrible flops!!

BTW Thanks four corecting my typposs
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 15, 2006, 11:23:12 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127565\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 08:19 PM\']
No but they included episodes of his two terrible flops!!

BTW Thanks four corecting my typposs
[/quote]
Oh boy. Just let it go, Mark. It's not gonna do any good.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 15, 2006, 11:27:08 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127569\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 10:23 PM\']
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127565\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 08:19 PM\']
No but they included episodes of his two terrible flops!!

BTW Thanks four corecting my typposs
[/quote]
Oh boy. Just let it go, Mark. It's not gonna do any good.
[/quote]
indead.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 15, 2006, 11:27:26 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127569\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 11:23 PM\']
Oh boy. Just let it go, Mark. It's not gonna do any good.[/quote]
I'm not sure which side you're taking, but Chuck has has introduced himself as an intelligent, thoughtful poster who misspelled one word and got shit for it from our resident shit thrower.  

So what I'm saying is, I know which side you'd BETTER be on, because I'm frankly tired of shit being thrown.

I hope that was abundantly clear.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 15, 2006, 11:34:14 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127571\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 08:27 PM\']
I'm not sure which side you're taking, but Chuck has has introduced himself as an intelligent, thoughtful poster who misspelled one word and got shit for it from our resident shit thrower.  
[/quote]
Perhaps I failed to detect the sarcasm. If I did, mea culpa.
Quote
So what I'm saying is, I know which side you'd BETTER be on
Though I don't know if I like the tone of this too much. Aren't I allowed to be on any side I want to be?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 15, 2006, 11:37:12 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127572\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 11:34 PM\']
Perhaps I failed to detect the sarcasm. Mea culpa.[/quote]
"Four" instead of "for" and you didn't get it?  The Klauss-Gibson people need a word with you, stat.
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Post by: PYLW on August 16, 2006, 12:37:33 AM
Thumbs way up tonight. Good epsiode of Password, some of those words were so hard! Also, good to see a Larry Blyden WML? epsiode, as I missed out when GSN aired it during their baseball tribute. Good start for the week, so far.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 16, 2006, 12:40:52 AM
Watching the two shows back-to-back tonight, I'm more convinced than ever that straight-up Password would never go over today, and that straight-up What's My Line? absolutely would.
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Post by: PYLdude on August 16, 2006, 12:45:00 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127586\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 12:40 AM\']
Watching the two shows back-to-back tonight, I'm more convinced than ever that straight-up Password would never go over today, and that straight-up What's My Line? absolutely would.
[/quote]

Reading this (I agree with the WML? point especially), I have to ask a question...

Could any form of Password be a hit today?
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 16, 2006, 12:54:15 AM
Well, since all Bob Stewart shows seem to to be connected to each other, I'll cite Pyramid as a precedence and say it might.  It would just need a lot of flair and pizzaz, which is something Password has never relied on.
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Post by: PYLdude on August 16, 2006, 01:18:43 AM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'127588\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 12:54 AM\']
Well, since all Bob Stewart shows seem to to be connected to each other, I'll cite Pyramid as a precedence and say it might.  It would just need a lot of flair and pizzaz, which is something Password has never relied on.
[/quote]

But I use the Pyramid example in a more negative light: for all the flash and flair they may or may not have conveyed, the game just had too many flaws (mostly fixable, IMO, but flaws nonetheless) to work out for much longer than it did.

You have to be careful in adding your own touches to games, I always say. Sometimes you add too much in, and it takes away from the game (re: someone on one of the netgame groups trying to make Win Ben Stein's Money into a four player game, and when told it didn't work as said person pressed anyway).
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 16, 2006, 01:27:40 AM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'127593\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 01:18 AM\']
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'127588\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 12:54 AM\']
Well, since all Bob Stewart shows seem to to be connected to each other, I'll cite Pyramid as a precedence and say it might.  It would just need a lot of flair and pizzaz, which is something Password has never relied on.
[/quote]

But I use the Pyramid example in a more negative light: for all the flash and flair they may or may not have conveyed, the game just had too many flaws (mostly fixable, IMO, but flaws nonetheless) to work out for much longer than it did.[/quote]
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are thinking of Pyramid in the specific Donny Osmond sense, and Joe is thinking about Pyramid in the general sense and just didn't think he had to type to The $10,000/$20,000/$25,000/$50,000/$100,000 Pyramid for people to understand what he was talking about.
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Post by: PYLdude on August 16, 2006, 01:29:02 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127595\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 01:27 AM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'127593\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 01:18 AM\']
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'127588\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 12:54 AM\']
Well, since all Bob Stewart shows seem to to be connected to each other, I'll cite Pyramid as a precedence and say it might.  It would just need a lot of flair and pizzaz, which is something Password has never relied on.
[/quote]

But I use the Pyramid example in a more negative light: for all the flash and flair they may or may not have conveyed, the game just had too many flaws (mostly fixable, IMO, but flaws nonetheless) to work out for much longer than it did.[/quote]
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are thinking of Pyramid in the specific Donny Osmond sense, and Joe is thinking about Pyramid in the general sense and just didn't think he had to type to The $10,000/$20,000/$25,000/$50,000/$100,000 Pyramid for people to understand what he was talking about.
[/quote]

You would be correct, sir.
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Post by: chad1m on August 16, 2006, 02:02:58 AM
I thought that tonight's offerings were pretty good. Thankfully I wasn't alive for Jimmy Carter's reign as president - He seems like a very boring, dull man. #13 is tomorrow, so we're either getting an hour-long show (Millionaire?), two episodes of one show (ala Lingo), or maybe even a special episode (Larson PYL?).
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 16, 2006, 03:32:54 AM
So, week 5 gets off to a strong start with #15, Password.  Seeing Tony Randall on this March 1967 ep makes me yearn for The Odd Couple's episode where he played terrible on that one.  This episode came on about a month before my very first haircut even though I didn't see it the first time around.  I had trouble finding good clues for "haughty" & "coy".  I couldn't believe they accepted Websters as a clue for "dictionary" because I thought it was a proper name.  It's a good thing I'm use to loud whistles because back then, I'd be scared of those noises(that whistle to end proceedings was rather loud I thought).

#14 was What's My Line?  A true classic in of itself.  At fitst, I thought it was either a late 60s or early 70s episode.  When I saw Jimmy Carter's name show up, I'd figure it was an early 70s episode.  The 2nd contestant(if you want to call them such) was rather intresting.  After the regular game, Blyden then quizzed the panel on kiddie lit.  That was neat to see.  I'm always amazed at how mystery guests manage to stump the panel like Joan Fontaine did.  I wonder how often that happens.  Hearing Dwyer mention Lassie as one of the many famous celebrities to appear as mystery guest makes me wish I would've seen that episode with him(or her) on it.  Oh well.

If this keeps up, #13 will be something if it's a good episode.
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 16, 2006, 04:25:05 AM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'127587\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 12:45 AM\']
Reading this (I agree with the WML? point especially), I have to ask a question...

Could any form of Password be a hit today?
[/quote]
The original I doubt. The pacing was a little slower, and the words would prolly go over the heads of the average viewer.

In Plus/Super form, I think it would have a chance. But to make the game faster, I'd prolly go for a best-of-three format, and keep the Alphabetics format. The only thing I'm afraid of is the words would prolly be dumbed down. Other than that, I think it could work.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: narzo on August 16, 2006, 04:50:36 AM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'127563\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 10:13 PM\']
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127556\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 09:58 PM\']
1. The Price is Right
[/quote]


TPiR won't be #1 unless they've either reaquired the series (That'll be the day), or have acquired a one-off episode.  (Well, I suppose if Fremantle/CBS were anal enough, they could go around them and lease the Davidson eps from Paramount, but given the identification of TPiR with Barker, I'd imagine that would seem a bit of a letdown to some though)
[/quote]


only way around it would be if they've decided to run one of the public domain episodes from the Cullen era, but I can't imagine they would run a b&w episode since they've made sure everything is in living color so far.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 16, 2006, 08:10:55 AM
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'127609\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 04:50 AM\']only way around it would be if they've decided to run one of the public domain episodes from the Cullen era, but I can't imagine they would run a b&w episode since they've made sure everything is in living color so far.[/quote]
I think there is serious doubt about whether the Cullen episodes are actually in the public domain; enough so that this option would not get past Sony lawyers.
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Post by: cmjb13 on August 16, 2006, 08:20:13 AM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'127563\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 11:13 PM\']
TPiR won't be #1 unless they've either reaquired the series (That'll be the day), or have acquired a one-off episode.  (Well, I suppose if Fremantle/CBS were anal enough, they could go around them and lease the Davidson eps from Paramount, but given the identification of TPiR with Barker, I'd imagine that would seem a bit of a letdown to some though)
[/quote]
I thought it would be a good "test" to get the rights (assuming they can) to air Kennedy TPIR regularly and see how it does. One would assume those are not in high demand as Barker's version and it seems to be the most recent version of Price GSN has (aside from the 1991 Barker eps)

It will be interesting to see if they air episodes for each show in the top 10. If that's the case, it would leave me to believe they would air *something*.
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Post by: cweaver on August 16, 2006, 09:28:01 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127615\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 07:10 AM\']
I think there is serious doubt about whether the Cullen episodes are actually in the public domain; enough so that this option would not get past Sony lawyers.
[/quote]

Are these considered part of the Barker package or part of the G-T package GSN already has?  I think it's virtually impossible to expect an entire Cullen TPiR to unfold during the "50 Greatest" (which so far has been adverse to black and white, despite the implications of their original news release) but perhaps during the limited Overnight block?
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 16, 2006, 09:30:03 AM
I don't know where this perceived "Aversion to the black and white episodes" is coming from.  Is it not just possible within the realm of sanity that GSN decided to run something a little different from the same old B&W IGAS, WML, etc that they've burned through a hundred times in the last 12 years?

Nah, that'd make too much sense.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 16, 2006, 10:17:39 AM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'127622\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 09:30 AM\']
I don't know where this perceived "Aversion to the black and white episodes" is coming from.  Is it not just possible within the realm of sanity that GSN decided to run something a little different from the same old B&W IGAS, WML, etc that they've burned through a hundred times in the last 12 years? [/quote]
"Within the realm of sanity?"  Sure.  But from what we've seen, it sure looks like they're steering clear of glorious monochrome.  They've been trying to give us interesting or unusual episodes, and while you could argue that their WML? and IGAS selections (both of which have also been shown countless times) qualify, the only thing interesting or unusual about the Password that they chose was the very fact that it was in color.  I personally believe that the decision to avoid B&W in prime time is a conscious one.

Still, it makes no difference as far as TPIR goes.  They're not going to say, "The Price Is Right is the number one show in our countdown, now here's an episode from the version none of you remember!"  The speculation over this is getting silly, but here's mine anyway.  They had to know when they started this project that TPIR had to be at or near the top.  They also knew that at that rarified height, the viewers would be expecting to see an example.  Seems to me that all the parties involved could have come up with some solution that lets them show a single episode.
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 16, 2006, 11:33:33 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127595\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 01:27 AM\']
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are thinking of Pyramid in the specific Donny Osmond sense, and Joe is thinking about Pyramid in the general sense and just didn't think he had to type to The $10,000/$20,000/$25,000/$50,000/$100,000 Pyramid for people to understand what he was talking about.
[/quote]

No, we were actually talking about the same thing.  Sorry about the ambiguity.

Clark's Pyramid had some flash and pizzaz, but Osmond's laid it on a little more thickly.  It did get modest ratings for the 2nd tier of syndie game shows, which is why I imply a newer Password may have a chance.  However, I think that networks presume that the general public today are more interested in the bells, whistles, and colors than they are about the game.  If you tried to pass off a 1965-style Password today, you'd get a resounding thumbs down because there's nothing to attract the public's eye.

But all this is probably for another thread.
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Post by: cweaver on August 16, 2006, 11:38:01 AM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'127622\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 08:30 AM\']
I don't know where this perceived "Aversion to the black and white episodes" is coming from.  Is it not just possible within the realm of sanity that GSN decided to run something a little different from the same old B&W IGAS, WML, etc that they've burned through a hundred times in the last 12 years?
[/quote]

"Within the realm of sanity"?

The "aversion to black and white" comes from the fact that the countdown hasn't run a single,  solitary black and white episode of anything, not even as much as a clip from Beat the Clock.  It's not that I minded seeing the color WML?, TTTT or IGAS eps (I was especially glad to get the WML with Carter, my provider wasn't carrying GSN last time they ran it) but the original releases, etc. played up the possibility we'd see something that old.  I can't believe they tried their hearts out to get a Groucho You Bet Your Life and ran into a syndicator playing hardball, I think they just didn't want it.  Hence, the remark about the "aversion."

Early on I considered the idea they'd run a black and white Cullen TPiR but I threw in the towel on that one a long time ago.  (Ditto a Kennedy ep.) I still think the idea of running a half-hour Barker version isn't as far into the realm of science fiction as some here keep insisting.  Still may not happen, but I think the chances are better than a lot people give credit.  Remember this would be a one-shot, not a continuous several-times-a-day run here (to address one argument brought up here).
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Post by: Jeremy Nelson on August 16, 2006, 12:15:39 PM
Well, after looking at Wikipedia (and taking this at face value), it looks like there are 3 episodes left where only one show is highlighted (Aug. 16, 23, and 24). Now, unless anybody can think of 3 hour-long shows that are deserving of top 15 status, one of those is probably going to be a Dating Game/Newlywed Game hour.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 16, 2006, 12:55:36 PM
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'127636\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 12:15 PM\']
Well, after looking at Wikipedia (and taking this at face value), it looks like there are 3 episodes left where only one show is highlighted (Aug. 16, 23, and 24). Now, unless anybody can think of 3 hour-long shows that are deserving of top 15 status, one of those is probably going to be a Dating Game/Newlywed Game hour.
[/quote]


Remember last Thursday showed they can schedule two episodes of the same show in an hour.

Can we hope for both  a Fleming and a Trebek Jeopardy!? probably not.
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Post by: Chief-O on August 16, 2006, 01:00:27 PM
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'127636\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 11:15 AM\']
it looks like there are 3 episodes left where only one show is highlighted (Aug. 16, 23, and 24).[/quote]

Larsen PYL, anyone????
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 16, 2006, 01:04:48 PM
Quote
Can we hope for both a Fleming and a Trebek Jeopardy!? probably not.

They did air the 2000th episode of the original Jeopardy several years ago, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that we could hope for it.
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Post by: WhammyPower on August 16, 2006, 02:13:12 PM
I think they're probably Millionaire, PYL, and Amazing Race (but, hopefully, not in that order)
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Post by: cweaver on August 16, 2006, 02:22:11 PM
[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'127636\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 11:15 AM\']
Well, after looking at Wikipedia (and taking this at face value)
[/quote]

Remember, Wikipedia is only as good as its contributors.  Some genius keeps pirating a photo from my site of Connie Selleca on the Marshall Hollywood Squares, contributing it to Wikipedia and insisting it's from the Davidson version.  How do I know they're wrong?  Because it's a screen capture from a 1970s promo I have on VHS tape.

As for the hour long slots--has it occurred to anyone that their #1 may take up an hour with back to back episodes?
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Post by: chad1m on August 16, 2006, 03:49:49 PM
Well, I've been working on the 50GGS page at Wikipedia since the start, and I'm making sure everything is factually accurate, which, at this point in time, it is.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 16, 2006, 03:55:35 PM
[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'127646\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 01:00 PM\']Larsen PYL, anyone????[/quote]
I think that's a slam dunk.
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Post by: chad1m on August 16, 2006, 04:45:26 PM
Hey! I mentioned it first! =P

I've got a strong feeling that that's what we may be seeing today. Hopefully it is because I've never seen the Larsen episodes in their original form (Without a documentary or extra footage attached to it)
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 16, 2006, 05:16:45 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'127676\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 04:45 PM\']
Hey! I mentioned it first! =P

QUIZBUSTERS
Alternate (Will be main in '06-'07)
[/quote]
Now, Chad.  Be nice, or I won't let you play the Pop Quiz.
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Post by: chad1m on August 16, 2006, 05:20:33 PM
Sorry, Mr. Game Show Host. (By the way, I'm from Kearsley.. The same team with the slightly off-balanced Kari Seitz. =D)
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 16, 2006, 05:38:06 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'127680\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 05:20 PM\']
Sorry, Mr. Game Show Host. (By the way, I'm from Kearsley.. The same team with the slightly off-balanced Kari Seitz. =D)[/quote]
Slightly?

I look forward to seeing you in the fall, and in the meantime, welcome aboard the Forum!
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Post by: cweaver on August 16, 2006, 05:38:43 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'127670\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 02:49 PM\']
Well, I've been working on the 50GGS page at Wikipedia since the start, and I'm making sure everything is factually accurate, which, at this point in time, it is.
[/quote]

Then it's as good as you are and you are a good man.

Dixon
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Post by: tvwxman on August 16, 2006, 06:54:17 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127682\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 05:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'127680\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 05:20 PM\']
Sorry, Mr. Game Show Host. (By the way, I'm from Kearsley.. The same team with the slightly off-balanced Kari Seitz. =D)[/quote]
Slightly?

I look forward to seeing you in the fall, and in the meantime, welcome aboard the Forum!
[/quote]
Is this allowed? If I were friends with Alex Trebek, I couldn't be on Jeopardy, right?
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 16, 2006, 07:09:54 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'127690\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 06:54 PM\']Is this allowed? If I were friends with Alex Trebek, I couldn't be on Jeopardy, right?[/quote]
Well, our rules are a lot, LOT looser.  Non-existent, actually. At least one other member of our forum has played QuizBusters, as has the daughter of the station's sound engineer, the son of one of our volunteer scorekeepers, a girl who lives about five houses down from me, and of course the students that I deal with directly at Okemos High School.  That's off the top of my head, there are probably other relationships that would give a network S&P guy fits.
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Post by: --Richard on August 16, 2006, 07:11:13 PM
Hey guys I'm new...

and here's my preiction for tonight...

I am guessing they MAY dedicate this hour to Pyramid...showing first the $10K/$20K version and then the $100k version. If not..we'll probably see the PYL Larson episodes.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: chad1m on August 16, 2006, 07:34:01 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127692\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 07:09 PM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'127690\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 06:54 PM\']Is this allowed? If I were friends with Alex Trebek, I couldn't be on Jeopardy, right?[/quote]
Well, our rules are a lot, LOT looser.  Non-existent, actually. At least one other member of our forum has played QuizBusters, as has the daughter of the station's sound engineer, the son of one of our volunteer scorekeepers, a girl who lives about five houses down from me, and of course the students that I deal with directly at Okemos High School.  That's off the top of my head, there are probably other relationships that would give a network S&P guy fits.
[/quote]

And, besides, it's not like we go out every morning and have a cup of coffee. We're just contacts on a message board.
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Post by: tvwxman on August 16, 2006, 08:27:07 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'127701\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 07:34 PM\']
And, besides, it's not like we go out every morning and have a cup of coffee. We're just contacts on a message board.
[/quote]
Cool. That means I can be on Quizbusters!

All I need are two other people, right? Quizbusters is a battle of the sexes game that has a young former-DJ host that really comes off as weak on the air, right?

Or do I have my shows mixed up again.

:) Connecti-Matt....now broadcasting on the banniation room's ABC affiliate.
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Post by: SteveRep on August 16, 2006, 09:04:15 PM
Everyone knows the Larsen episodes. That's why they'll get run. But PYL's true energy and drama comes in one of those classic spin wars.

I'm hoping the #13 hour is for TAR.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 16, 2006, 09:07:30 PM
[quote name=\'SteveRep\' post=\'127718\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 06:04 PM\']
I'm hoping the #13 hour is for TAR.
[/quote]
You really want TAR, which isn't a game show (though, admittedly, more of one than The $1.98 Beauty Show is) on this list? Seriously?
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Post by: chad1m on August 16, 2006, 09:12:06 PM
TAR was featured in the press sheets, but I really, REALLY don't think (or at least I hope) that GSN considers it to be in the Top 15. If we do, we have problems.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 16, 2006, 09:59:00 PM
Gee I thought the push for The Amazing Race was over last night when What's My Line aired!

There are 13 shows left!!  They are all iconic game shows no list is going to be without.  There is no longer any room for The Amazing Race.  They have been listed on this board many times.

BTW I wish it was.  It is TV show about competition(games) between teams, what else is a game show.  It is one of my favorite TV shows ever.  However, there is no way it should replace one of the 13 left
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Post by: Scott on August 16, 2006, 10:01:40 PM
And, it is indeed the PYL Larsen eps at #13.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: napanickg on August 16, 2006, 10:16:13 PM
i hope we get a davidson TPIR when that show comes up. i really doubt GSN could get the barker version, although that would be cool too.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 16, 2006, 10:17:47 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127731\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 06:59 PM\']
BTW I wish it was.  It is TV show about competition(games) between teams, what else is a game show.
[/quote]
You're new, so I'll be nice. Don't pursue this line of discussion, because those who came before you have, and they didn't like how it turned out either.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 16, 2006, 10:21:17 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127738\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:17 PM\']
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127731\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 06:59 PM\']
BTW I wish it was.  It is TV show about competition(games) between teams, what else is a game show.
[/quote]
You're new, so I'll be nice. Don't pursue this line of discussion, because those who came before you have, and they didn't like how it turned out either.
[/quote]


I was trying to say I am a supporter of The Amazing Race but I still think its chances of being on the list are over!!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 16, 2006, 10:21:56 PM
[quote name=\'napanickg\' post=\'127737\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 07:16 PM\']
i hope we get a davidson TPIR when that show comes up. i really doubt GSN could get the barker version, although that would be cool too.
[/quote]
Jesus, that's right. it's almost September. That explains it.

Okay, kids, one more time. If they do not:

1) Air an episode of The Price Is Right, and

2) Make damned sure it is a Bob Barker episode

...then they will be the laughingstock of the cable industry. And you'll notice they're not doing so hot in the first place.
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Post by: --Richard on August 16, 2006, 10:22:15 PM
[quote name=\'napanickg\' post=\'127737\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:16 PM\']
i hope we get a davidson TPIR when that show comes up. i really doubt GSN could get the barker version, although that would be cool too.
[/quote]

Newsflash: GSN does have the Barker version of TPiR, they're just not allowed to air it. This is the reason I suspect TPiR may not be #1. As for Davidson, that was bad. Besides, that version is owned by Paramount or Viacom.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 16, 2006, 10:24:12 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127741\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 07:21 PM\']
I was trying to say I am a supporter of The Amazing Race but I still think its chances of being on the list are over!!
[/quote]
Good for you.

All I'm saying is that the "what constitutes a game show" argument has been played out here a million times, and never with good results, and that you're gonna have a lot of people thinking you're a complete idiot if you try it yourself, so better that you don't.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: dzinkin on August 16, 2006, 10:25:36 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'127743\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'napanickg\' post=\'127737\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:16 PM\']
i hope we get a davidson TPIR when that show comes up. i really doubt GSN could get the barker version, although that would be cool too.
[/quote]
Newsflash: GSN does have the Barker version of TPiR, they're just not allowed to air it. This is the reason I suspect TPiR may not be #1. As for Davidson, that was bad. Besides, that version is owned by Paramount or Viacom.
[/quote]
Newsflash: you've been a member less than 10 hours and you've posted 12 times, not counting the messages I deleted because you posted information that others gave moments before.

I repeat: posting just to raise your post count will not help you here.  In fact, it can have exactly the opposite effect.  Calm down.
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Post by: --Richard on August 16, 2006, 10:30:19 PM
Newsflash: you've been a member less than 10 hours and you've posted 12 times, not counting the messages I deleted because you posted information that others gave moments before.

I repeat: posting just to raise your post count will not help you here.  In fact, it can have exactly the opposite effect.  Calm down.
[/quote]

Not to go off-topic:

Sorry, I'm just a little "post-crazy". I'll just post one more tonight(my review for the 50 greatest), and then I'll be gone most of the day tomorrow. I'll go easy.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 16, 2006, 10:31:13 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'127743\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:22 PM\']Newsflash: GSN does have the Barker version of TPiR, they're just not allowed to air it. This is the reason I suspect TPiR may not be #1. As for Davidson, that was bad. Besides, that version is owned by Paramount or Viacom.[/quote]
I'm not sure, but are we being talked down to by a 14-year-old newcomer?

Richard, honestly.  When you said you wanted to make a thousand posts, we really didn't think you meant today.  Slow down and read what other people are writing.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 16, 2006, 10:33:57 PM
I feel like I'm talking to a friggin' wall here.
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Post by: napanickg on August 16, 2006, 10:35:59 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'127743\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 09:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'napanickg\' post=\'127737\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:16 PM\']
i hope we get a davidson TPIR when that show comes up. i really doubt GSN could get the barker version, although that would be cool too.
[/quote]

Newsflash: GSN does have the Barker version of TPiR, they're just not allowed to air it. This is the reason I suspect TPiR may not be #1. As for Davidson, that was bad. Besides, that version is owned by Paramount or Viacom.
[/quote]


and replies like that are exactly why i lurk here instead of post...
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Post by: dzinkin on August 16, 2006, 10:37:53 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127752\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:33 PM\']
I feel like I'm talking to a friggin' wall here.
[/quote]
No, a wall typically ends eventually.
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Post by: PYLdude on August 16, 2006, 10:38:00 PM
[quote name=\'napanickg\' post=\'127754\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:35 PM\']
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'127743\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 09:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'napanickg\' post=\'127737\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 10:16 PM\']
i hope we get a davidson TPIR when that show comes up. i really doubt GSN could get the barker version, although that would be cool too.
[/quote]

Newsflash: GSN does have the Barker version of TPiR, they're just not allowed to air it. This is the reason I suspect TPiR may not be #1. As for Davidson, that was bad. Besides, that version is owned by Paramount or Viacom.
[/quote]


and replies like that are exactly why i lurk here instead of post...
[/quote]

Stick to it.
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Post by: Scott on August 16, 2006, 11:00:30 PM
All right, steering the discussion back on track...

Good night tonight.  The Larson Reign of Terror is always a treat to watch.  Another fun night, as GSN seems to be following its pattern by delivering a good week.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 16, 2006, 11:03:45 PM
Not really adding anything here, but each time I log on I can't believe how much this thread has grown.  We're already up to 94 pages and there's still 12 more shows to go.

I think we have a record-breaker here folks!!
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Post by: sshuffield70 on August 16, 2006, 11:09:53 PM
94??  Man, you should have adjusted the posts per page awhile back.  A good number of us are only on 44.
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 16, 2006, 11:23:12 PM
If you could tell us how, that'd be nice.

You know, if you watch the show on Fast Forward, all the board patterns look the same.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 16, 2006, 11:24:36 PM
Quote
94?? Man, you should have adjusted the posts per page awhile back. A good number of us are only on 44.

OK - I got it to 44 now.  It's the first time I've really played with any of the board settings - but I haven't really needed to up until now!

Edit:  to answer Joe's question, go to My Controls, Board Settings, and change the number of posts per page to 15.
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 16, 2006, 11:27:22 PM
I was just on my way to rescinding my request.  I figured that a drop-down box like that would have a number and not a phrase ^^;
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Post by: chad1m on August 17, 2006, 12:58:41 AM
I'm currently engaged in a bit of an argument. I'm fairly certain that the Larson episodes of PYL never aired in general, normal rotation on GSN. However, my opponent seems to believe it happened two or three times. Can any of my colleagues help me out?
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Post by: clemon79 on August 17, 2006, 01:04:38 AM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'127779\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 09:58 PM\']
I'm currently engaged in a bit of an argument. I'm fairly certain that the Larson episodes of PYL never aired in general, normal rotation on GSN. However, my opponent seems to believe it happened two or three times. Can any of my colleagues help me out?
[/quote]
Yes. You're both wrong. I think it's happened once before (outside of the Big Bucks specials.)
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Post by: chad1m on August 17, 2006, 01:12:15 AM
I remember that this year or late last year GSN was nearing them and many people were excited for it, but they inexplicably skipped over them. But, if it has happened, then I feel stupid right now.
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Post by: MrBuddwing on August 17, 2006, 01:19:09 AM
Darn! Forgot to tape (yes, I'm an old fogy who still uses tape).

I've seen the Larson episodes as part of the GSN documentary, but I was mildly curious how they looked when CBS trimmed them to fit two 30-minute slots.

One thing that still perplexes me, and maybe this isn't the board to bring this up, but here goes: I'm not 100% sure how PYL was *supposed* to work. I never really watched the show, and the Larson episodes are the only real chance I've had to see the gameplay, but one thing seems pretty obvious: The first 20 or so minutes of each episode never really counted. What the producers assumed, and what the contestants certainly expected, was for a "Whammy" to come up after several spins and erase a contestant's gains. (Larson, of course, found a way around that.)

So if, during the first 5 or 10 minutes of the show, a contestant hits the plunger and lands on money or some prize, of course the contestant squeals with delight - but a Whammy will inevitably take that prize away. It's as though all that ultimately counts are the last 10 minutes of the show, and whoever can accumulate just enough money and prizes will become the champion.

It seems to me a game show in which "only the last 10 minutes really count" is a fundamentally flawed concept, but given the popularity and longevity of PYL, what do I know.

Am I mistaken? Could someone enlighten me? (Could someone make a copy of ... all right, I know I'm not supposed to ask that here.)
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Post by: The Great EZE on August 17, 2006, 01:33:31 AM
[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'127782\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 12:19 AM\']
It seems to me a game show in which "only the last 10 minutes really count" is a fundamentally flawed concept, but given the popularity and longevity of PYL, what do I know.

Am I mistaken? Could someone enlighten me? (Could someone make a copy of ... all right, I know I'm not supposed to ask that here.)
[/quote]

Well you would certainly expect everybody getting at least one Wahmmy over the course of the game but that doesn't always happen.  As a matter of fact, I remember a run of a few episodes that aired on GSN a few weeks ago in which a champion retired with over $50K and I don't think he ever hit a whammy.

As for the argument of "the last 10 minutes really count," one could definitely say that.  But when you think about it, a lot of games have scoring systems in which the results of the early rounds are wholly irrelevant.  Off the top of my head, you've got your Body Language (actually, the entire scoring system for that kinda sucked), Family Feud (you really don't have to turn it on until the double/triple questions), Starface (but who really cites Starface for anything?), and any other show in which point values increase significantly as the game goes on.

And remember: the Whammy isn't just a "Go back to start" mechanism.  If you get 4, you're out of the game.  So getting two or three in the first round will definitely have an effect on the last ten minutes.
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Post by: PYLW on August 17, 2006, 02:28:58 AM
Thumbs up tonight, good to finally see the Larson epsiodes without the documentary. It's looking to be a real good week, so far...
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 17, 2006, 03:36:02 AM
All I can say about the Larson episode on Press Your Luck(#13) is WOW!  I always wondered how CBS handled a special case like this one.  Without the Big Bucks documentary to go along with it, it looked like an ordinary game show to me except this was no ORDINARY episode.  Definitely a one-of-a-kind show here.  This shows why Peter Tomarken was a master in his domain.  The way he created excitement & tension to go along with disbelief & illusionment certainly provided those magical moments.  Others may have come before or after it but this episode really showed its true colors not only on quality but charecter too.  I can now truly say I have fully experienced this amazing episode to its fullest without the extras.  GSN, by far, gave me the best episode yet with 12 more shows to go.
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Post by: SteveRep on August 17, 2006, 09:50:13 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127719\' date=\'Aug 16 2006, 09:07 PM\']
You really want TAR, which isn't a game show (though, admittedly, more of one than The $1.98 Beauty Show is) on this list? Seriously?
[/quote]
Of course not. It has no place in the top 40, much less the top 15. I don't want it in the list -- at least not at this point.

The circumstantial evidence presented a case that GSN could worm it in there. That's all.

That being said, I found myself in a state of 'ho-hum' watching the Larsen episodes. After you've seen the documentary, learned the background and how he did it, there's a touch of monotony to watch him run up the total.

Still would have rather seen an epic spin-passing battle.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 17, 2006, 10:09:23 AM
In viewing the listings for the upcoming shows, next week, the Wednesday show is #8, while the Thursday show is #7.   This means WWTBAM is almost a given to be one of the two.  That still leaves the other hour.   Race?  Two Pyramids?  Price?  The LMAD pilot thing GSN did a few years ago, which IIRC, lasted an hour?  An hourlong Feud?

I really hope it's not Race, if only for the absolutely deafening amount of wine & cheese that will be served if it is.
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Post by: Don Howard on August 17, 2006, 10:29:32 AM
Here's an interesting (to me) note about last night's Top 50 offering. My wife had seen Press Your Luck many times through its CBS, USA and GSN runs, but never saw and never knew about---remember: she just really joined the game show fans' inner circle with the Congrefs last month--Michael Larsen's stunning accomplishment. Watching her face as it played last night on The Network For Games was indescribable.
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Post by: JasonA1 on August 17, 2006, 10:49:21 AM
I'll say one thing about those episodes: it's pretty incredible to watch the first time. Just reading on the net about Michael's huge run of spins was one thing - watching it play in a little less than real time via the trading circuit showed me how much concentration and skill it required and made the accomplishment worthy of its hype.

-Jason
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Post by: clemon79 on August 17, 2006, 10:58:19 AM
[quote name=\'SteveRep\' post=\'127795\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 06:50 AM\']
The circumstantial evidence presented a case that GSN could worm it in there. That's all.
[/quote]
Then I missed the sarcasm in your previous statement, and offer humble apologies.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 17, 2006, 11:12:42 AM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'127797\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 10:29 AM\']
Here's an interesting (to me) note about last night's Top 50 offering. My wife had seen Press Your Luck many times through its CBS, USA and GSN runs, but never saw and never knew about---remember: she just really joined the game show fans' inner circle with the Congrefs last month--Michael Larsen's stunning accomplishment. Watching her face as it played last night on The Network For Games was indescribable.[/quote]
Claudia's the same way.  A patient non-fan, but every once in a while I'll show her some piece of video, something that we all would have seen countless times, and it just blows her away.  Unfortunately, she had already seen parts of the Larsen thing from a couple months ago when I was editing my Tomarken tribute for the GSC.
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Post by: chad1m on August 17, 2006, 12:38:32 PM
I can relate to you both, except it's with my eight-year old sister. She loves watching/playing game shows with me and I had previously told her about "the guy who memorized the board" on PYL. She was watching last night with her friend and about six spins into the second round, she remembered that information and declared "This is like the guy who memorized the board." I didn't tell her who it was until the end of the show just to try to keep interest in it, but it was kind of neat.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 17, 2006, 01:06:05 PM
I should go thourgh storage I know I have the original broadcasts on betamax(believe it not).  Probably not any good anymore,

I love these stories about surprise from some people.

At the time there was almost no surprise.  CBS decided to hype the whole thing to boost ratings.  The press told Larson's whole story beforehand.

Although I was traveling north to visit my grandparents.(So I was glad I had advance notice to tape it)   We arrived at her house near the end of the first episode.  She called out, "you have to see what is happening on this game show."
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Post by: aaron sica on August 17, 2006, 01:07:51 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127819\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 01:06 PM\']
I should go thourgh storage I know I have the original broadcasts on betamax(believe it not).  Probably not any good anymore,
[/quote]

I think by just saying you have original broadcasts on Betamax - prepare to be INUNDATED with emails now from tape traders. :)
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 17, 2006, 04:31:49 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127819\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 01:06 PM\']At the time there was almost no surprise.  CBS decided to hype the whole thing to boost ratings.  The press told Larson's whole story beforehand.[/quote]
Of course, "the press" back then wasn't nearly as omnipresent as it is today, and nobody really cared much about daytime game shows.  I think, though, that you might be wrong about CBS doing anything to promote it.  Seems from what I heard, it was something of an embarrassment to them.  The only thing I recall seeing in advance was a brief TV Guide article, which I was glad to see since it made me tune into a show I usually skipped.  I really don't remember a mountain of coverage before or after.
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Post by: MSTieScott on August 17, 2006, 04:35:01 PM
[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'127782\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 12:19 AM\']It seems to me a game show in which "only the last 10 minutes really count" is a fundamentally flawed concept, but given the popularity and longevity of PYL, what do I know.

Am I mistaken? Could someone enlighten me? (Could someone make a copy of ... all right, I know I'm not supposed to ask that here.)[/quote]
It helps if you view round one as its own little game. Since having the highest total allows you to play last in round two (and know exactly what score you have to beat), it's important to place first in round one, even if there's a decent chance you won't win anything you've accumulated there.

I love the strategy of PYL -- hoping your opponent gets a Whammy is often a large part of that strategy, but so is not passing your opponent so many spins that even if they do hit a Whammy, they can build their total back up again to beat you. And then if they hit a couple of "+ one spin" spaces...


Regarding the Larson episodes: I showed them to some college friends who already knew what the final outcome would be, and they were still whooping it up every time he hit more money. It really is something to see non-fans get into a show.

(Question about the original episodes, since my copy is cut off -- At the end of part one, did they show any fee plugs or credits, or did the show just end after Peter's "to be continued" speech in front of the blue screen?)

--
Scott Robinson
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Post by: clemon79 on August 17, 2006, 05:10:17 PM
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'127826\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 01:35 PM\']
(Question about the original episodes, since my copy is cut off -- At the end of part one, did they show any fee plugs or credits, or did the show just end after Peter's "to be continued" speech in front of the blue screen?)
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure they rolled credits. GSN chopped them out to make more room for Bil.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 17, 2006, 05:18:52 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127825\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 04:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127819\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 01:06 PM\']At the time there was almost no surprise.  CBS decided to hype the whole thing to boost ratings.  The press told Larson's whole story beforehand.[/quote]
Of course, "the press" back then wasn't nearly as omnipresent as it is today, and nobody really cared much about daytime game shows.  I think, though, that you might be wrong about CBS doing anything to promote it.  Seems from what I heard, it was something of an embarrassment to them.  The only thing I recall seeing in advance was a brief TV Guide article, which I was glad to see since it made me tune into a show I usually skipped.  I really don't remember a mountain of coverage before or after.
[/quote]


Maybe I have remembered more coverage than there was.  I remember the TV Guide mention, so CBS didn't have secrecy agreements.   I sitll lived in Lansing then.  I could swear there was an article in the State Journal but maybe your memory is better than mine.
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Post by: uncamark on August 17, 2006, 05:31:35 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127830\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 04:10 PM\']
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'127826\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 01:35 PM\']
(Question about the original episodes, since my copy is cut off -- At the end of part one, did they show any fee plugs or credits, or did the show just end after Peter's "to be continued" speech in front of the blue screen?)
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure they rolled credits. GSN chopped them out to make more room for Bil.
[/quote]

Yes, they did.  Can't remember if they ran the same fee plugs for both parts.  If Larson's toteboard was flashing his total, they had to reshoot the credits for the first part.  Easy thing to do at the end of a taping day--Carruthers has a camera take a closeup of the flashing lights, key the Chyrons, music Mackenzie plays the theme, sweetening MacKenzie has applause, cue Rod to read the tag, fade to black.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 17, 2006, 05:54:58 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127833\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 05:18 PM\']Maybe I have remembered more coverage than there was.  I remember the TV Guide mention, so CBS didn't have secrecy agreements.   I sitll lived in Lansing then.  I could swear there was an article in the State Journal but maybe your memory is better than mine.[/quote]
Oh, all I'm saying is that the TV Guide mention was the only one I saw, and that CBS in particular didn't do a big campaign over it.  Might it have made its way into local papers?  Sure.  But it wasn't the attention-getter than Ken Jennings or even (to be more era appropriate) Thom McKee was.  It wasn't a Major Media Event because (at the time, anyway) most people didn't really care all that much about Press Your Luck.
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Post by: snowpeck on August 17, 2006, 06:05:50 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'127834\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 05:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127830\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 04:10 PM\']
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'127826\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 01:35 PM\']
(Question about the original episodes, since my copy is cut off -- At the end of part one, did they show any fee plugs or credits, or did the show just end after Peter's "to be continued" speech in front of the blue screen?)
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure they rolled credits. GSN chopped them out to make more room for Bil.
[/quote]

Yes, they did.  Can't remember if they ran the same fee plugs for both parts.  If Larson's toteboard was flashing his total, they had to reshoot the credits for the first part.  Easy thing to do at the end of a taping day--Carruthers has a camera take a closeup of the flashing lights, key the Chyrons, music Mackenzie plays the theme, sweetening MacKenzie has applause, cue Rod to read the tag, fade to black.
[/quote]


Yeah the credits and such ran over an angled shot of the flashing board.


Greg
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 17, 2006, 06:42:11 PM
TVG did have a lengthy article long after the fact (during the USA run) in the color section.  Why they bothered that late in the game is anyone's guess; it is an interesting story.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 17, 2006, 09:05:20 PM
The Dating Game, based on the promo, appears to be a rare 1978-80 episode.
My money is on The Gong Show and The Dating Game airing tonight...

--Jamie
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Post by: --Richard on August 17, 2006, 09:29:26 PM
I'm guessing The Gong Show and The Hollywood Squares for tonight.
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Post by: SteveRep on August 17, 2006, 09:56:05 PM
I think we're gonna be surprised yet again -- like with Password two nights ago.

In another instance of "They put THAT show THERE?" -- look out for Wheel or Pyramid.
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Post by: catnap1972 on August 17, 2006, 10:03:05 PM
Gong Show comes in at #12
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Post by: Scott on August 17, 2006, 10:03:05 PM
Well, good call on Gong showing up tonight, as it lands at #12.
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Post by: SteveRep on August 17, 2006, 10:05:03 PM
[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'127854\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 10:03 PM\']
Gong Show comes in at #12[/quote]
They gotta give up Gene Gene, then.
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Post by: --Richard on August 17, 2006, 10:07:29 PM
Well I have 1 prediction right....I'm hoping The Hollywood Squares will land in at #11. BTW, so far on TGS the 1st two contestants got gonged.
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Post by: chad1m on August 17, 2006, 10:12:15 PM
Nothing against you, Richard, but I hope you're wrong about The Dating Game. I really don't want to see it tonight, and I'd prefer to see something more traditional, like a Wheel, Jeopardy or a Squares. Three's a Crowd and Treasure Hunt did air back to back, so Dating Game is a possibility.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 17, 2006, 10:13:57 PM
Quote
Well I have 1 prediction right....I'm hoping The Hollywood Squares will land in at #11. BTW, so far on TGS the 1st two contestants got gonged.

I'm not watching the countdown tonight, but I noticed in the promo that Steve Martin was on the panel.
If the first act was Michael Lincoln, this is the episode where there's no winner and Chuck almost chokes on confetti at the end of the show.

--Jamie
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Post by: chad1m on August 17, 2006, 10:18:51 PM
Nah, the first act was "The Mother of King Kong."
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Post by: --Richard on August 17, 2006, 10:24:09 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'127858\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 10:12 PM\']
Nothing against you, Richard, but I hope you're wrong about The Dating Game.
[/quote]

I said The Hollywood Squares for #11.
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Post by: --Richard on August 17, 2006, 10:30:06 PM
#11 is The Hollywood Squares
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Post by: Scott on August 17, 2006, 10:30:34 PM
Squares wraps up week 5 at #11.  It's a '72 episode.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 17, 2006, 10:32:54 PM
Quote
Squares wraps up week 5 at #11. It's a '72 episode.

Gee, interesting how The Dating Game outclasses 'Squares' by making the top 10, yet it's not been anywhere on GSN's schedule for a couple years.
That is, assuming its inclusion in the promo signifies that it'll show up.

--Jamie
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Post by: clemon79 on August 17, 2006, 10:34:19 PM
Personally I'm wondering how many Tomarkenites are crapping themselves that the Gong Show is apparently better than Press Your Luck. :)
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Post by: --Richard on August 17, 2006, 10:41:26 PM
It's awesome to see the Marshall Hollywood Squares on GSN. Paul Lynde's zingers were hilarious. Here was the 1st question:

Marshall: After 90 years, what will New York be repainting?(Something like that)

Lynde: I think Arlene Francis...

LOL...this was one of the funniest game shows ever! #11 is a good ranking.
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Post by: chad1m on August 17, 2006, 11:00:18 PM
Sorry, Richard, I thought you said Dating Game. I got caught up in all that mess.
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Post by: cacLA8383 on August 17, 2006, 11:17:33 PM
Good shows selected for #12 and #11. Now I guess we can start making our predictions on what the top 10's going to be like. Tuesday has shows #10 and #9, Wednesday has show #8, and Thursday has show #7. Start placing your bets now.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 17, 2006, 11:21:06 PM
After watching the gong show, I am curious about something.  Did all acts have to perform for a minimum amount of time before the panel can put the audience out of its misery?
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Post by: --Richard on August 17, 2006, 11:27:27 PM
Quick Review for tonight:

Gong Show 81/100

Hollywood Squares 95/100

Hit my predictions on the nose!

[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'127868\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 11:00 PM\']
Sorry, Richard, I thought you said Dating Game. I got caught up in all that mess.
[/quote]

It's okay.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 17, 2006, 11:32:01 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127865\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 09:34 PM\']
Personally I'm wondering how many Tomarkenites are crapping themselves that the Gong Show is apparently better than Press Your Luck. :)
[/quote]
Four.  :-D

Nice to be wrong about GONG's presence in the countdown--I really thought TAR might bump it when mentions of it possibly surfacing were made.

Wow--this thread reached over 700.

Doug
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 17, 2006, 11:37:11 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'127859\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 09:13 PM\']
I'm not watching the countdown tonight, but I noticed in the promo that Steve Martin was on the panel.
If the first act was Michael Lincoln, this is the episode where there's no winner and Chuck almost chokes on confetti at the end of the show.
[/quote]
Which was the episode I had expected them to show (if they indeed were going to show one).  Instead, they went back a week.

As an aside, there was at least one other winnerless show--the 7/18/78 episode.  That's the episode where Chuckie damages the "Gong" curtain with his cane when it won't go up (the uncensored version of that appears in the movie).  Good stuff.  :)

Doug
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Post by: Scott on August 17, 2006, 11:38:59 PM
Welp, 10 shows left.  We saw  The $20,000 Pyramid, so that's gonna be on the list.  (I'm guessing they'll run Billy Crystal's 26-second Winner's Circle, since some promos end with a brief shot of Billy's Pyramid ep.).  Jeopardy and Wheel are givens.  Millionaire will also likely make the top 10.  Newlywed and Dating are also possibilities.  TPIR is the biggest question mark.  If they somehow acquire an episode, it'll be #1.  If not, look for it to land somewhere in the top 5, with Millionaire being the likely #1.

As for this week, some good choices with the Larson eps being the big highlight.  Thumbs up for week 5.
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Post by: cweaver on August 17, 2006, 11:39:27 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'127866\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 09:41 PM\']
It's awesome to see the Marshall Hollywood Squares on GSN. Paul Lynde's zingers were hilarious. Here was the 1st question:

Marshall: After 90 years, what will New York be repainting?(Something like that)

Lynde: I think Arlene Francis...
[/quote]

Then he continues: "...I hope I look like she did at 90!"

You're not kidding about how funny it was.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 17, 2006, 11:43:46 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'127876\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 10:38 PM\']
Welp, 10 shows left.  We saw  The $20,000 Pyramid, so that's likely gonna be on the list.  (I'm guessing they'll run Billy Crystal's 26-second Winner's Circle).[/quote]

Isn't the only surviving video of that the tape shown when Crystal and Sal Viscuso were booked?  Meaning that the original episode of that WC run doesn't exist?

Doug
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 17, 2006, 11:45:43 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'127870\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 10:21 PM\']
After watching the gong show, I am curious about something.  Did all acts have to perform for a minimum amount of time before the panel can put the audience out of its misery?
[/quote]
By that point, it was 45 seconds (first Barris week it was 20 seconds, by the third week it was 30, then within a few months it became 45, which stayed for the remainder of the run).

Doug
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 17, 2006, 11:45:46 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'127870\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 10:21 PM\']
Did all acts have to perform for a minimum amount of time before the panel can put the audience out of its misery?
[/quote]
I believe it was in the neighborhood of 40-45 seconds.
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Post by: Adam Nedeff on August 17, 2006, 11:47:30 PM
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'127870\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 11:21 PM\']
After watching the gong show, I am curious about something.  Did all acts have to perform for a minimum amount of time before the panel can put the audience out of its misery?
[/quote]

Yup, and the time limit got longer as the series went on. It started at 15 seconds, then 30 seconds, then 45 seconds, and since "Gong Show" was a legitimate competition underneath all that tomfoolery, it was strictly enforced. (I've seen at least one episode where an act got gonged, a couple of folks offstage yelled "No, no!" and Chuck came out and restarted the act. Weird that they didn't edit that out...)
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Post by: narzo on August 18, 2006, 12:05:35 AM
[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'127883\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 10:47 PM\']
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'127870\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 11:21 PM\']
After watching the gong show, I am curious about something.  Did all acts have to perform for a minimum amount of time before the panel can put the audience out of its misery?
[/quote]

Yup, and the time limit got longer as the series went on. It started at 15 seconds, then 30 seconds, then 45 seconds, and since "Gong Show" was a legitimate competition underneath all that tomfoolery, it was strictly enforced. (I've seen at least one episode where an act got gonged, a couple of folks offstage yelled "No, no!" and Chuck came out and restarted the act. Weird that they didn't edit that out...)
[/quote]

not quite 15 but 20, then 30, then 45.  Plus they didn't restart, they just picked up from where they got gonged.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 18, 2006, 12:09:26 AM
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'127884\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 11:05 PM\']
not quite 15 but 20, then 30, then 45.  Plus they didn't restart, they just picked up from where they got gonged.
[/quote]
Technicality--the Barbour week (all of which save for GSN's running of the very first ep never surfaced) was 15 seconds.  The first Barris week was indeed 20.

Doug
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 18, 2006, 12:09:41 AM
Given the logical assumptions of the remaining top ten (and assuming The Amazing Race doesn't pop in as a spoiler), the GSN Top Ten and our own GSF Top Ten will agree on only seven.  Possibly six, depending on how our voting continues to go.
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 18, 2006, 12:49:19 AM
I think there were better episodes of The Gong Show that had Steve Martin in it, like where Steve Martin actually performed.

My dad and I have been watching this together on tape (awwwbarf)  I had no desire to watch Gong, but he did.  He also wanted to watch $1.98.  I know his humor is about Chuckie's level (awful puns and all), but I guess there's still no accounting for taste. ^^;
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Post by: PYLW on August 18, 2006, 02:19:48 AM
Thumbs up tonight, though I'm slightly dissappointed about no Gene Gene dancing on the epsiode of Gong. The Hollywood Squares epsiode was just fantastic (Though I am a huge Harvey Korman fan, so that might've made my rating a little biased...:) ). Paul was hilarious on the "They sell their first born" line. Thumbs up tonight, and a huge thumbs up for this week.
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 18, 2006, 03:41:51 AM
What a way to wrap up week 5 on this counddowm.  We pick things up at #12 with...

...the Gong Show.  I wasn't all that intrested in the show for the most part.  Sure the prize money was cheap($516.32), but at least it was a daytime-variety show kinda cheap.  Luckily I was fortunate not to see Gene Gene do his dancing bit on this 1977 episode(I don't like it when he gets pelted by the audience), but I wished the Unknown Comic would've appeared(I liked him untill he got "hooked" off the stage).  This was the low point of the week for me here.

At #11 is my 2nd favoritte game involving celebrities, the Hollywood Squares.  Even better was a 1972 syndicated episode hosted by Peter Marshall.  Even before Match Game, this was a very funny show.  I think Dwyer was feeling a little high when he ran off a couple Paul Lynde zingers by me, yeesh!  Anyway, a teriffic end to a very strong week

Two weeks left & the Top 10 await us.  Unless there's another crapper lurking about, I am eagerly anticipating which shows got slotted in the final 10 spots.
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 18, 2006, 07:18:34 AM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'127894\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 03:41 AM\']
I think Dwyer was feeling a little high when he ran off a couple Paul Lynde zingers by me, yeesh![/quote]
Or maybe he was just trying to imitate Lynde. Gee, you don't say!

/That's another show
//Geez!!!
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Post by: TonicBH on August 18, 2006, 08:46:18 AM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'127876\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 08:38 PM\']
(I'm guessing they'll run Billy Crystal's 26-second Winner's Circle, since some promos end with a brief shot of Billy's Pyramid ep.).[/quote]

They don't have that episode. It's gone to that tape-wipe place in the sky. GSN only has... 1978-1980 I believe of the ABC Pyramid era.

The clip of him breaking the record comes from a ...I wanna say 1978 ep, with Crystal vs Sal Viscuso.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 18, 2006, 09:59:57 AM
[quote name=\'TonicBH\' post=\'127903\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 07:46 AM\']
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'127876\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 08:38 PM\']
(I'm guessing they'll run Billy Crystal's 26-second Winner's Circle, since some promos end with a brief shot of Billy's Pyramid ep.).[/quote]

They don't have that episode. It's gone to that tape-wipe place in the sky. GSN only has... 1978-1980 I believe of the ABC Pyramid era.

The clip of him breaking the record comes from a ...I wanna say 1978 ep, with Crystal vs Sal Viscuso.
[/quote]
Thanks for confirming that, B.J.  I would think the ep with that clip is one that's gonna run for PYRAMID.

Y'know, I'm beginning to suspect that PYRAMID might just be 7 or 8 on the list--so that they can show the Crystal ep and a $100K win.

Doug
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Post by: clemon79 on August 18, 2006, 10:02:03 AM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'127911\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 06:59 AM\']
Y'know, I'm beginning to suspect that PYRAMID might just be 7 or 8 on the list--so that they can show the Crystal ep and a $100K win.
[/quote]
I am appalled that it's that low.

But, ya know, Studs.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 18, 2006, 10:14:35 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127912\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 09:02 AM\']
I am appalled that it's that low.

But, ya know, Studs.
[/quote]
Maybe they took points off for Osmond's version.  :)

Doug
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Post by: clemon79 on August 18, 2006, 10:15:22 AM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'127915\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 07:14 AM\']
Maybe they took points off for Osmond's version.  :)
[/quote]
Frighteningly, that occurred to me.

But, you know, friggin' STUDS.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 18, 2006, 10:18:53 AM
For what's it's worth, the final week's numbers per night hit the listings services:
From hereon:
8/22: 10 and 9
8/23: 8
8/24: 7
8/29: 6 and 5
8/30: 4 and 3
8/31: 2 and 1

Hmm, maybe:  DG, LMAD, WWTBAM, Pyramid, NG, J!, WoF, MG, FF, TPiR?
(And no, that isn't my personal top 10 by a LONG shot)
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 18, 2006, 10:43:36 AM
Quote
So if, during the first 5 or 10 minutes of the show, a contestant hits the plunger and lands on money or some prize, of course the contestant squeals with delight - but a Whammy will inevitably take that prize away.

That quite frequently happened.  The famous Flokati Rug was offered in Round 1, but very few contestants actually ever won it.  Usually the Whammy would come along and take it.

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I love the strategy of PYL -- hoping your opponent gets a Whammy is often a large part of that strategy, but so is not passing your opponent so many spins that even if they do hit a Whammy, they can build their total back up again to beat you. And then if they hit a couple of "+ one spin" spaces...

There definately was stretegy to the game.  One thing I always thought for Round 2 was before you pass, calculate the number of spins you have times 2000.  2K was roughly the average for Round 2, so if you had 3 spins left and were more than $6000 ahead, then pass.  If you were only $2-3000 ahead, it's better to keep spinning.  At least that's what I always thought...
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 18, 2006, 10:50:08 AM
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Isn't the only surviving video of that the tape shown when Crystal and Sal Viscuso were booked? Meaning that the original episode of that WC run doesn't exist?

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the exact air date for the Crystal win?  I know GSN only has 78-80, but I thought it did occur sometime in '78.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 18, 2006, 10:54:37 AM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'127921\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 09:50 AM\']
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Isn't the only surviving video of that the tape shown when Crystal and Sal Viscuso were booked? Meaning that the original episode of that WC run doesn't exist?

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the exact air date for the Crystal win?  I know GSN only has 78-80, but I thought it did occur sometime in '78.
[/quote]
IMDB shows it as having occured in November 1977, which may or not be accurate.

Details and other trivial nuggets here (http://\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0185049/trivia\").

Doug
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 18, 2006, 11:02:24 AM
Interesting stuff.  I take issue with the debut of the Big 7 though.  I'm pretty sure it didn't occur until sometime in '76 - maybe around the time they increased the prize to $20,000.  I remember being home from school sometime around that time and Dick mentioned that they have a new feature, and I was dying to find out how it was played.  I would have watched the shows from Dec. '74 because of Christmas break, and I'm pretty sure the Big 7 wasn't active at that time.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 18, 2006, 11:16:58 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127916\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 09:15 AM\']
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'127915\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 07:14 AM\']
Maybe they took points off for Osmond's version.  :)
[/quote]
Frighteningly, that occurred to me.
[/quote]
Hey, great minds and all that.  :-D

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127916\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 09:15 AM\']
But, you know, friggin' STUDS.[/quote]
Point taken.  And it's a good one.  Hard for me to justify its inclusion as well at the (apparent) expense of NYSI, SWEEP, HIGH ROLLERS, et al.

Doug
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 18, 2006, 11:34:36 AM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'127915\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 09:14 AM\']
Maybe they took points off for Osmond's version.  :)
[/quote]
You're smiling; but when I compiled my list, I *did* knock points off for the Osmond version.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 18, 2006, 11:35:50 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127926\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 08:34 AM\']
You're smiling; but when I compiled my list, I *did* knock points off for the Osmond version.
[/quote]
Of course you did.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 18, 2006, 11:37:06 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'127927\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 10:35 AM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127926\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 08:34 AM\']
You're smiling; but when I compiled my list, I *did* knock points off for the Osmond version.
[/quote]
Of course you did.
[/quote]
Is that a bad thing?  Had I been able to separate the two versions, I would have.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 18, 2006, 11:41:13 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'127926\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 10:34 AM\']
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'127915\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 09:14 AM\']
Maybe they took points off for Osmond's version.  :)
[/quote]
You're smiling; but when I compiled my list, I *did* knock points off for the Osmond version.
[/quote]
I don't give GSN that much credit.

PYRAMID wound up lower in my list than on GSN's, but not because of Osmond's version (there were just other shows I preferred).  Now, Davidson's version, maybe.  :)

Doug
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 18, 2006, 11:44:29 AM
I have a stronger feeling that there was some order fudging now that I see that the Top 10 has its own two weeks.  I always had a feeling that show X may not always be 1 or 2 steps better than show Y, even if the order said so.

It really does look like Millionaire and Price for the final show.
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Post by: aaron sica on August 18, 2006, 11:48:07 AM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'127932\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 11:44 AM\']

It really does look like Millionaire and Price for the final show.
[/quote]

I can't see Millionaire going that far down, but Price I see as definitely 2 or 1.
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Post by: Mr. Matté on August 18, 2006, 11:52:08 AM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'127922\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 10:54 AM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'127921\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 09:50 AM\']
Quote
Isn't the only surviving video of that the tape shown when Crystal and Sal Viscuso were booked? Meaning that the original episode of that WC run doesn't exist?
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the exact air date for the Crystal win?  I know GSN only has 78-80, but I thought it did occur sometime in '78.
[/quote]IMDB shows it as having occured in November 1977, which may or not be accurate.[/quote]

According to this, (http://\"http://www.xanfan.com/celebrities/10k-20k.htm\") the only Crystal/Viscuso week was April/May 1979, so there's a good chance they have this one.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 18, 2006, 11:58:55 AM
[quote name=\'NewJersey137\' post=\'127935\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 10:52 AM\']
According to this, (http://\"http://www.xanfan.com/celebrities/10k-20k.htm\") the only Crystal/Viscuso week was April/May 1979, so there's a good chance they have this one.
[/quote]
OK.  So Crystal's record happened in the 11/28-12/2/77 week with Lynn Redgrave.  The clip of that was played on an episode with Crystal and Viscuso (my guess would be the Monday show--airdate 4/30/79), and that's what's been preserved for posterity.

Doug
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 18, 2006, 12:00:41 PM
I can see it, aaron (obviously).  Not only could you make the arguement that it gave the game show genre a shot in the arm, let alone reviving network shows, it would be a good companion with Price because it can fill the episode's hour.

I'm of the mindset that there will be no episode of Price.  Fremantle isn't really big on using clips without an Act of Congress, let alone full episodes.  I don't think they're going to make an exception here unless someone's ready to blow all that money they made from PlayMania.
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Post by: Don Howard on August 18, 2006, 12:10:22 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'127876\' date=\'Aug 17 2006, 11:38 PM\']
TPIR is the biggest question mark. If they somehow acquire an episode, it'll be #1.  If not, look for it to land somewhere in the top 5, with Millionaire being the likely #1.
[/quote]
Mary, Mother of God!!! Millionaire #1 of all time? Above all of those others?
If The Network For Games couldn't land an episode of The Price Is Right for this event, they shouldn't have even bothered.
But, yes, I'm aware. Freakin' Studs.
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Post by: aaron sica on August 18, 2006, 12:12:51 PM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'127937\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 12:00 PM\']
I can see it, aaron (obviously).  Not only could you make the arguement that it gave the game show genre a shot in the arm, let alone reviving network shows, it would be a good companion with Price because it can fill the episode's hour.

I'm of the mindset that there will be no episode of Price.  Fremantle isn't really big on using clips without an Act of Congress, let alone full episodes.  I don't think they're going to make an exception here unless someone's ready to blow all that money they made from PlayMania.
[/quote]

Oh, I definitely agree with you about it giving game shows a shot in the arm. Look at what it spawned for awhile - lots of imitations and more prime time game shows for us to enjoy. It's only been around for 8 years - I'm thinking something more dated is going to join TPiR in the top 2. I don't know what, but I don't think it will be as new as WWTBAM.

As far as no episode of Price, this is what I look forward to most in the entire countdown. Not seeing an episode, mind you, but how they're going to handle it. IMHO, it would be awkward for them to just mention it, considering that it's one of the most familiar game shows on the air. If you look at it from a layperson's standpoint (layperson as in "not one of us", but your average TV fan), they're going to think it very odd that an episode of TPiR was not shown. The game show community knows why an episode would not be shown, but not your average fan. So it will be interesting to see how it's handled.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 18, 2006, 12:37:43 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'127938\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 09:10 AM\']
If The Network For Games couldn't land an episode of The Price Is Right for this event, they shouldn't have even bothered.
[/quote]
Thank you. I'm glad SOMEONE is thinking rationally about this angle.
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But, yes, I'm aware. Freakin' Studs.
Yeah, and that is about the only thing keeping me from making statements like "if they DON'T air an episode of TPiR, I wish to have my account deleted from this board."
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 18, 2006, 01:16:50 PM
If I were at GSN, I would do whatever's neccessary to get an episode of TPIR, even if it's the one that played on CBS that morning, I'd get an episode.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 18, 2006, 01:56:21 PM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'127932\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 11:44 AM\']
I have a stronger feeling that there was some order fudging now that I see that the Top 10 has its own two weeks.  I always had a feeling that show X may not always be 1 or 2 steps better than show Y, even if the order said so.[/quote]
One of the interesting things about tallying our fan votes is that I don't think any single one of us is going to have our top ten (or even our top five) in the exact same order as the consensus vote.  And, in fact, some of the shows in the top ten (and even top five) are very, very close to each other in the current voting.

So Joe sorta has a point, though I'm not sure I'd call it "fudging".  The truth is that once you get to the Jeopardy-Wheel-Price-Pyramid-Match level, the shows are different enough that it comes down to personal (or corporate) preference, and one could make a decent case for -- or against -- any one of them being above or below any other of them.
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 18, 2006, 02:08:10 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127946\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 01:56 PM\']Joe sorta has a point, though I'm not sure I'd call it "fudging".[/quote]

I guess manipulation is a better term, now that I think about it.

My original theory was not to take the list as the individual ranks, but as tiered groups.  I wasn't sure if these groupings would be by episode or by week (especially now), but you get the idea.  Considering some of the shows on and off the list, it makes a little more sense.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 18, 2006, 02:22:57 PM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'127948\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 02:08 PM\']My original theory was not to take the list as the individual ranks, but as tiered groups.  I wasn't sure if these groupings would be by episode or by week (especially now), but you get the idea.  Considering some of the shows on and off the list, it makes a little more sense.[/quote]
Sure.  And on that subject, now that we've gotten more or less to the end (though still assuming what the last ten shows are), I can say that if GSN was an individual fan submitting a top-50 list the way sixty or so of you have already done, its list wouldn't seem all that bizarre.  Many individuals have made individual choices, usually near the bottom of their lists, which are every bit as "out there" as Three's a Crowd, Dog Eat Dog and Freakin' Studs. (That IS what we're calling it now, right?)  Still, most everybody included everything in our top twenty somewhere on their individual lists, and so will GSN.  Our top shows and their top shows are going to be awfully similar.  And scattered throughout both lists are several nice little moments of synchronicity where our choices and theirs line up almost exactly.

We just expected more from an outfit that calls itself "the network for games" than convenient choices, even at the bottom of their list, that let them squeeze in an episode of a show they happen to have, regardless of its quality.
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Post by: cweaver on August 18, 2006, 02:54:21 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127950\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 01:22 PM\']
We just expected more from an outfit that calls itself "the network for games" than convenient choices, even at the bottom of their list, that let them squeeze in an episode of a show they happen to have, regardless of its quality.
[/quote]

Interestingly enough, convenience over what's in the vault and what's easy to get, still wasn't a workable excuse for mentioning freakin' Studs.  I have a feeling the only reason it was included was because of that titillating "fun fact" about the "hookups."
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 18, 2006, 02:59:51 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'127950\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 02:22 PM\']We just expected more from an outfit that calls itself "the network for games" than convenient choices, even at the bottom of their list, that let them squeeze in an episode of a show they happen to have, regardless of its quality.[/quote]
Like an actual list show and not this?  While it's a nice way to kill a few weeks.  I'd rather they have done a little more collaborative-looking.

I keep thinking DeCarlo is the only reason Studs is on the list.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 18, 2006, 03:00:12 PM
If Price is Right is not number 1 for whatever reason, it would seem the next logical choice would be Wheel of Fortune, which has also been on televsion for more than 30 straight years.
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Post by: chad1m on August 18, 2006, 03:06:27 PM
I'm just thinking it will be rather ridiculous for any show in their top 10 to not have an episode attached to it. Like, giving a brief mention to Freakin' Studs wasn't damaging because it was #49. But, if you decide to show photos of Price is Right, that's almost like saying that one of your top shows isn't important enough to feature an episode of. Some people don't know about/grasp the concept of libraries and access, etc, so that's how it could come off to them.
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Post by: PYLdude on August 18, 2006, 03:11:54 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'127954\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 03:00 PM\']
If Price is Right is not number for whatever reason, it would seem the next logical choice would be Wheel of Fortune, which has also been on televsion for more than 30 straight years.
[/quote]

I'm gonna guess you meant number one, and I don't think the next logical choice is Wheel by any means.

I'd go to Jeopardy! instead.
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Post by: Sonic Whammy on August 18, 2006, 05:35:37 PM
At this point, I don't know what the heck's gonna be number one. I've already busted on 3 of my 9 supposed Top 10 picks.

Heck, I'll even set everything to my standby, and I'm being truthful:

Password - WAY better than PYL. Early rank for my submission to Ottinger's poll: #5
What's My Line? - Better than PYL... I think. I'll know for sure over the weekend. But it still deserved Top 10.
Gong Show - NO WAY better. I don't care that it was only by one. At least usually, contestants on PYL... ah, never mind, I'm not saying it.
Hollywood Squares - Also Top 10 worthy, but definitely better than PYL. It'll be up there on my list.
Dating Game - NO WAY better. Just doesn't work.
Amazing Race - With the expected lineup, Race may very well be 8 or 7. But it is not Top 10, and no way better than PYL.

And a curious thought about Millionaire. They could actually throw a sneak on us and just show John Carpenter's win. It was only a 1/2 hour that night, so it wouldn't bump another show to a simple acknowledgement. Only trick then would be to find where it goes. For my list to Ottinger, it's #2. (You already know what I think is #1. And no, no that.)
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Post by: uncamark on August 18, 2006, 05:56:12 PM
[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' post=\'127974\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 04:35 PM\']
And a curious thought about Millionaire. They could actually throw a sneak on us and just show John Carpenter's win. It was only a 1/2 hour that night, so it wouldn't bump another show to a simple acknowledgement. Only trick then would be to find where it goes. For my list to Ottinger, it's #2. (You already know what I think is #1. And no, no that.)
[/quote]

Seems to me it was an hour show that night.  (I don't think any of the November 1999 shows were a half-hour.)
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 18, 2006, 08:20:39 PM
Quote
Oh, I definitely agree with you about it giving game shows a shot in the arm. Look at what it spawned for awhile - lots of imitations and more prime time game shows for us to enjoy. It's only been around for 8 years - I'm thinking something more dated is going to join TPiR in the top 2. I don't know what, but I don't think it will be as new as WWTBAM.

While it's not No. 1 on my list, it is one of my all-time favorites, so if GSN aired WWBTAM as No. 1 I'd have no problem with it.  However, I think it will likely it will go to a show like Price.  My feeling is that they'll air an episode of it on a special one-off basis, just like they seemingly did with Marshall "HS", whose contract they reportedly didn't renew.

Quote
Some people don't know about/grasp the concept of libraries and access, etc, so that's how it could come off to them.

That's something they've never really dealved into - even when they had shows like "Club AM" years ago.  For example, sometimes people would call in and mention certain old shows, and they never once offered (at least from what I saw) that some of these shows no longer existed.  You'd figure it should have had at least a passing mention.  I'm sure there are people out there who assume all this stuff is available.
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 18, 2006, 10:05:34 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'127979\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 05:56 PM\']
Seems to me it was an hour show that night.  (I don't think any of the November 1999 shows were a half-hour.)
[/quote]
It was...the hour-long eps didn't come about until January 2000.
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Post by: --Richard on August 19, 2006, 01:51:09 AM
Well we have 2 episodes of next week dedicated to 1 show...

so I'm guessing...

#8 could be dedicated to Pyramid or NG/DG

and #7 may be WWTBAM.

I am pretty sure The Amazing(-ly Re-Run Abused) Race will miss out now. There is NO way GSN
thinks it is a top 10 show better than Blockbusters, Tattletales, Beat the Clock, Twenty-One, Press Your Luck, and so on.
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Post by: tvwxman on August 19, 2006, 05:45:31 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'127991\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 10:05 PM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'127979\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 05:56 PM\']
Seems to me it was an hour show that night.  (I don't think any of the November 1999 shows were a half-hour.)
[/quote]
It was...the hour-long eps didn't come about until January 2000.
[/quote]
Not completely true...the Sunday night editions of Millionaire during it's first run were 1 hour long. By January, the 2nd run had a few more hour long editions....
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Post by: davemackey on August 19, 2006, 10:10:05 AM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'128011\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 05:45 AM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'127991\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 10:05 PM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'127979\' date=\'Aug 18 2006, 05:56 PM\']
Seems to me it was an hour show that night.  (I don't think any of the November 1999 shows were a half-hour.)
[/quote]
It was...the hour-long eps didn't come about until January 2000.
[/quote]
Not completely true...the Sunday night editions of Millionaire during it's first run were 1 hour long. By January, the 2nd run had a few more hour long editions....
[/quote]
The first test run was comprised of half hours with a few hours thrown in for fun, which is why you don't see  those shows on GSN (but I'd love to see them again; that was the series that gave us Doug Van Gundy and Trip Payne). The November test run was mostly hours, which is why you see that one on GSN. By the time the show went to series in January, it was an hour every night, with that one odd half hour thrown in later in the run to bring back a disadvantaged contestant and finish his game.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 19, 2006, 11:55:23 AM
November 1999 Millionaire was a mixture of half hour and hour depending on ABC's schedule.    But as it went on and ratings were huge.  The hours took over.
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Post by: --Richard on August 20, 2006, 01:46:28 AM
My Top 10 prediction:
10)Dating Game
9)Newlywed Game
8) Pyramid Hour of $20,000/$100,000
7) Who Wants to be a Millionaire?
6) Let's Make A Deal
5) Family Feud
4) Match Game
3) Jeopardy!
2) Wheel of Fortune
1) The Price is Right(If this is NOT #1, GSN will be blackmarked for life.)
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Post by: --Richard on August 22, 2006, 10:12:55 AM
Well let's get into predictions for tonight...

I am 99.9% sure we are going to see Dating Game/Newlywed Game. This list was predictible the last nights, so I am pretty sure on those 2. Get a double shot of Chuck Barris tonight...b/c I believe these are the last Barris shows we're going to see on the countdown.
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Post by: cweaver on August 22, 2006, 03:40:12 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128163\' date=\'Aug 20 2006, 12:46 AM\']
4) Match Game
3) Jeopardy!
2) Wheel of Fortune
1) The Price is Right(If this is NOT #1, GSN will be blackmarked for life.)
[/quote]

Not everyone is necessarily in agreement about that.  Just because TPiR is the longest running show doesn't mean it's the"annointed one" anymore than Meet the Press would necessarily surpass See It Now or 60 Minutes on a list as the greatest news show of all time.  A good and logical choice, maybe, but not necessarily a done deal.  (Personally I'm leaning toward Jeopardy!) I think any of your top four would be acceptable and would give some creedence to the list (not that some of the other entries haven't already damaged its credibility like Studs or Three's a Crowd).
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Post by: SteveRep on August 22, 2006, 07:38:11 PM
I'm wondering what other show is getting the full-hour treatment.

This is where it would be optimal to know that there were Woolery WoF's or Fleming Jeopardy episodes available.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 22, 2006, 07:47:03 PM
http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11172 (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11172\")
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Post by: Timsterino on August 22, 2006, 08:08:45 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'128027\' date=\'Aug 19 2006, 11:55 AM\']
November 1999 Millionaire was a mixture of half hour and hour depending on ABC's schedule.    But as it went on and ratings were huge.  The hours took over.
[/quote]

That is correct. The poster who stated that John Carpenter's win was during a 1/2 hour episode is actually correct. Carpenter was a contestant over two 1/2 hour episodes with the 2nd one containing his win.

Tim :-)
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Post by: --Richard on August 22, 2006, 09:37:32 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128459\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 03:40 PM\']
Not everyone is necessarily in agreement about that.
[/quote]

Actually, most everyone is, including TVGuide.
 
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128459\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 03:40 PM\']
I think any of your top four would be acceptable and would give some creedence to the list
[/quote]

Yes, I agree. TPiR though is basically the shoo-in for #1, with its longitvity, format, ratings, etc.


[quote name=\'cweaver\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 03:40 PM\']
(not that some of the other entries haven't already damaged its credibility like Studs or Three's a Crowd).
[/quote]

I second that. BTW you can add Dog Eat Dog to that list.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 22, 2006, 10:02:45 PM
#10: Dating Game.    
----
Sorry...just...no...not at #10.  Not above what it's above.  Then again, freakin Studs....
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Post by: Scott on August 22, 2006, 10:03:11 PM
And, it is the Dating Game at #10, as part 1 of the Chuck Barris double feature falls into place.  The episode chosen is the Andy Kaufman ep.
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 22, 2006, 10:10:38 PM
I wish I was counting the number of times I've rasied my head away from the computer and just pretty much went "WTF".  If I had a dime for every time that happened....

Someone needs to explain to me Andy Kaufman.  I'm sure he's funny, but not here, really.
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Post by: NickintheATL on August 22, 2006, 10:10:55 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128519\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 09:37 PM\']
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128459\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 03:40 PM\']
I think any of your top four would be acceptable and would give some creedence to the list
[/quote]

Yes, I agree. TPiR though is basically the shoo-in for #1, with its longitvity, format, ratings, etc.
[/quote]

I'm sorry, but I have to nip that in the bud.  Just because a show is the longest running show of all time does not lock up #1 for it.  There could be other games that are more worthy of the #1 status than Price may be.  This is exactly why lists like this are always debatable.
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Post by: MrBuddwing on August 22, 2006, 10:24:06 PM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'128525\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:10 PM\']
I wish I was counting the number of times I've rasied my head away from the computer and just pretty much went "WTF".  If I had a dime for every time that happened....

Someone needs to explain to me Andy Kaufman.  I'm sure he's funny, but not here, really.
[/quote]


Did I hear right? 1978? Kaufman may not have been as notorious then as he later became, but he was hardly unknown.
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Post by: PsychoJason on August 22, 2006, 10:27:01 PM
Does anybody know where I can find the 1st half "let's meet your date" and prize cues? The LMYD cue was also used on The Joke's On Us.
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Post by: --Richard on August 22, 2006, 10:30:48 PM
Not surprsied...

Newlywed Game #9
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 22, 2006, 10:32:14 PM
It's the episode of Newlywed, too.

Luckily my father turned the show off after Kaufman was done.
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Post by: Scott on August 22, 2006, 10:33:58 PM
And, part 2, as the "In the [bleep]" episode of Newlywed lands at #9.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 22, 2006, 10:36:58 PM
[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'128530\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:24 PM\']Did I hear right? 1978? Kaufman may not have been as notorious then as he later became, but he was hardly unknown.[/quote]
The problem with these history lessons is that they're seldom written by historians.

You're right, of course.  Kaufman had already scored with his SNL bits, and had been on Carson several times before this Dating Game appearance.  Heck, if the IMDB listing for this episode is right, Taxi had already premiered.  There might not have been a whole lot of people who knew his name, but a whole lot of people would have recognized him.  He was hardly "unknown".
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Post by: cweaver on August 22, 2006, 10:42:38 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128543\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 09:36 PM\']
 Heck, if the IMDB listing for this episode is right, Taxi had already premiered.  
[/quote]

I watched it first run and as I recall, Taxi had indeed already premiered.
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Post by: cweaver on August 22, 2006, 10:45:12 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128519\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 08:37 PM\']
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128459\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 03:40 PM\']
Not everyone is necessarily in agreement about that.
[/quote]

Actually, most everyone is, including TVGuide.
 
[/quote]


TV Guide only gets to put out their own list, not dictate everyone else's.  They certainly didn't dictate mine.

Anyway,  even though I know it could still happen, I'm still not convinced it's a lock, espcially considering it's GSN's list.
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Post by: --Richard on August 22, 2006, 10:46:24 PM
They cut out the "In the butt" answer! WTF!
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 22, 2006, 10:49:25 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128547\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:46 PM\']
They cut out the "In the butt" answer! WTF![/quote]
Fourteen years old, ladies and gentlemen.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 22, 2006, 10:53:52 PM
After watching the whole episode of the Dating Game and half of the Newlywed Game, it seems to me that Chuck Barris was laying on the sleaze thick at this point of his productions.

The Newlywed Game could be top ten in some people's book, but I can't see the Dating Game ever making top ten.

Can anyone back me up on this, but I am pretty sure I have seen this episode in full a few times on the Game Show Network before Bob Eubanks made his confession about the incident on MOGSM because I remember the bubbles question.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 22, 2006, 10:56:25 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128547\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 09:46 PM\']
WTF!
[/quote]

O RLY?
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Post by: Casey Buck on August 22, 2006, 10:59:02 PM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'128550\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 07:56 PM\'] [quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128547\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 09:46 PM\']WTF!
[/quote]O RLY?
[/quote]YA RLY!

/sorry, had to do that...
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 22, 2006, 11:00:56 PM
[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'128552\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 09:59 PM\']
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'128550\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 07:56 PM\']
O RLY?
[/quote]YA RLY!
[/quote]


NO WAI!!

/sorry, had to finish it.
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Post by: wheelloon on August 22, 2006, 11:01:56 PM
And I've never seen that TNG episode uncensored on TV at all, because, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think it EVER has. Anybody that expected otherwise, well...

Appropriate choices tonight, a lot of fans called these. Andy had me rolling on the floor with his act. It's been some time since I've seen that episode, or the Newlywed one as well.

I'm seriously doubting TPIR will be number 1, as time has gone on, I'm thinking J! may have the best shot at it. And BTW, my name should give a slight hint as to my personal preference...
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 22, 2006, 11:03:55 PM
[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'128554\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:01 PM\']
my name should give a slight hint as to my personal preference...
[/quote]

Romper Room?  Eye Guess?  How Do You Like Your Eggs? The Red Hot Poker Feel Good Hour?
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Post by: --Richard on August 22, 2006, 11:13:31 PM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'128555\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 11:03 PM\']
[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'128554\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:01 PM\']
my name should give a slight hint as to my personal preference...
[/quote]

Romper Room?  Eye Guess?  How Do You Like Your Eggs? The Red Hot Poker Feel Good Hour?
[/quote]

LOL to that.

Anyway here is my review for Night 16:

Dating Game- 77/100
This game looks dumb. It's like Love Connection in a way.

Newlywed Game-88/100
I was very shocked that they didn't even have the answer at all. It was just laughter and then a *ding* for time's up. I would've been fine if it had "In the (cuckoo-cuckoo)".

Going once...Going Twice...No $ale!(What? Wrong Show?) ;)
Night 16 Total-165/200
Average-82.5/100
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Post by: chad1m on August 22, 2006, 11:16:11 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128547\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:46 PM\']
They cut out the "In the butt" answer! WTF!
[/quote]

Umm.. You do realize that these are the original airing copies, and that in '77, it was not commonplace to hear "In the ass" on national television, right? Even if she said butt, toosh, gluteus maximus or hind quarters, that's just too much entendre for '70s daytime TV. Please put a bit of thought into posting. Thank you.

This public service message brought to you by Chad Mosher.
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Post by: mbc793 on August 22, 2006, 11:18:34 PM
It felt like the Chuck Barris hour tpnight. As for #1, I don't have a clue, if it's Jeopardy!, great, Wheel of Fortune, that's fine.  I may be off by a long shot, but don't ya think that we deserve something better on the countdown than what we're getting? I'm just stumped.
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Post by: wheelloon on August 22, 2006, 11:27:05 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128560\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 11:13 PM\']
Dating Game- 77/100
This game looks dumb. It's like Love Connection in a way.
[/quote]
Now I think this would be an appropriate place for a WTF!! Or... ahh forget it.

[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'128555\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 11:03 PM\']
Romper Room?  Eye Guess?  How Do You Like Your Eggs? The Red Hot Poker Feel Good Hour?
[/quote]

Wow, my reputation is actually getting better on the internet!! ;)
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 22, 2006, 11:31:38 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128560\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:13 PM\']
This game looks dumb. It's like Love Connection in a way.
[/quote]
Except Dating Game came at least 15 years before Love Connection, if not more.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 22, 2006, 11:31:46 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128560\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 08:13 PM\']
Dating Game- 77/100
This game looks dumb. It's like Love Connection in a way.
[/quote]
Holy God.
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 22, 2006, 11:34:47 PM
[quote name=\'mbc793\' post=\'128562\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 11:18 PM\']
It felt like the Chuck Barris hour tpnight. As for #1, I don't have a clue, if it's Jeopardy!, great, Wheel of Fortune, that's fine.  I may be off by a long shot, but don't ya think that we deserve something better on the countdown than what we're getting? I'm just stumped.
[/quote]
Two words:

Friggin Studs.

This list is nothing more than an opportunity to see shows that GSN hasn't aired in years, and prolly never will.

/Still drooling from that TJW episode.
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Post by: MikeK on August 22, 2006, 11:40:36 PM
[quote name=\'PsychoJason\' post=\'128533\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:27 PM\']
Does anybody know where I can find the 1st half "let's meet your date" and prize cues? The LMYD cue was also used on The Joke's On Us.
[/quote]
It's possible that the prize cues are on the Chuck Barris Game Show Themes CD.  A good amount of Treasure Hunt/The Newlywed Game cues are on that CD.  I didn't see tonight's show.  Thus, I don't know what cues were used.

Surely someone who saw tonight's show has a more definite answer...
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Post by: MrBuddwing on August 22, 2006, 11:43:42 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128561\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 11:16 PM\']
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128547\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:46 PM\']
They cut out the "In the butt" answer! WTF!
[/quote]

Umm.. You do realize that these are the original airing copies, and that in '77, it was not commonplace to hear "In the ass" on national television, right? Even if she said butt, toosh, gluteus maximus or hind quarters, that's just too much entendre for '70s daytime TV. Please put a bit of thought into posting. Thank you.
[/quote]

And yet, in the copy they aired on GSN, the entire phrase was blanked out, but on "Most Outrageous Game Show Moments," we get to hear the wife say, "In the ..." before the blank. Which makes me wonder: If the entire phrase was bleeped for the original NG broadcast, did the Chuck Barris people actually save an uncensored version that was newly censored for MOGSM?

(And if someone could tell me where I can get a life, I'd appreciate it.)
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on August 22, 2006, 11:51:05 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128560\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:13 PM\']
Dating Game- 77/100
This game looks dumb. It's like Love Connection in a way.
[/quote]
You should really lurk for a while.
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Post by: Adam Nedeff on August 22, 2006, 11:55:22 PM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'128522\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:02 PM\']
#10: Dating Game.    
[/quote]
This is the first time I've EVER seen Dating Game, believe it or not. And, having digested the full half-hour, I can honestly say it felt like my soul was going to fly out of my body. (And I LIKE Andy Kaufman!) Is there something I'm missing about this show? I'm serious.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 23, 2006, 12:02:19 AM
[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'128578\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 08:55 PM\']
This is the first time I've EVER seen Dating Game, believe it or not. And, having digested the full half-hour, I can honestly say it felt like my soul was going to fly out of my body. (And I LIKE Andy Kaufman!) Is there something I'm missing about this show? I'm serious.
[/quote]
Nope. That was the 60's and 70's in all their glory, right there.
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Post by: Esoteric Eric on August 23, 2006, 01:23:50 AM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128561\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 08:16 PM\'][quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128547\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:46 PM\']They cut out the ("in the ass") answer![/quote]Umm.. You do realize that these are the original airing copies, and that in '77, it was not commonplace to hear "In the ass" on national television, right? Even if she said butt, toosh, gluteus maximus or hind quarters, that's just too much entendre for '70s daytime TV...[/quote]Quite right, even though Match Game was introducing the words "boobs" and "buns" to the general populace in the same decade.  Heck, Jaye P. Morgan was finishing Rhyme & Reason's couplets with George Carlin's seven words back then (though the contestants weren't allowed to write them down to match her.)

Esoteric Eric...  Granted, the '70s (even with the occasional braless female contestant) were tame compared to the present day, what with implied nudity on ABC Family's original programming, let alone the coarse language on most other cable channels...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: BrandonFG on August 23, 2006, 01:32:37 AM
[quote name=\'Esoteric Eric\' post=\'128591\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 01:23 AM\']
Quite right, even though Match Game was introducing the words "boobs" and "buns" to the general populace in the same decade.  Heck, Jaye P. Morgan was finishing Rhyme & Reason's couplets with George Carlin's seven words back then (though the contestants weren't allowed to write them down to match her.)
[/quote]
But in the case of Jaye P., didn't the "Seven Words" come about later c. 1978, instead of when R&R aired?
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Post by: PYLW on August 23, 2006, 02:21:43 AM
Thumbs up tonight, first time I've ever seen Dating Game. I LIKED Kaufman on this epsiode, but I think it's just because I'm a HUGE Taxi fan. I'm also glad to see the first season of Syndicated Newlywed with the "And now, back to Bob Eubanks!" bumper, thought that was cool. I thought it was weird how the whole phrase was bleeped out.

And on the "in the ass" quote being left uncensored, didn't The Gong Show Movie air it un-edited, for one reason or another? I just recieved the DVD copy, if I ever watch it, I'll tell you guys if it was on. I swear I heard someone say it was...
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Post by: Jay Temple on August 23, 2006, 02:26:25 AM
If I were watching that ep of The Dating Game and I were unfamiliar with Andy Kaufman, I'd just feel ... awkward.

Does anyone else think the host looks like David Leisure from the Isuzu ads and Empty Nest?

If they weren't going to leave Olga's answer in, they should have run a different episode and only given this one a passing mention.
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Post by: peiboy91 on August 23, 2006, 03:16:16 AM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'128599\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 11:21 PM\']
And on the "in the ass" quote being left uncensored, didn't The Gong Show Movie air it un-edited, for one reason or another? I just recieved the DVD copy, if I ever watch it, I'll tell you guys if it was on. I swear I heard someone say it was...
[/quote]

I don't know about The Gong Show Movie but an uncensored clip of it does appear in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, the movie about Chuck Barris that George Clooney directed.
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Post by: chad1m on August 23, 2006, 03:32:26 AM
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'128599\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 02:21 AM\']
didn't The Gong Show Movie air it un-edited, for one reason or another?[/quote]

I've seen the movie, and it's not in there. However, Jaye P. Flashing is in there uncensored, which, if you haven't seen it before, you're not missing much.
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 23, 2006, 03:39:15 AM
This week starts with a double dose of Chuck Barris Productions goodness.  Here's how it went.

At #10, The Dating Game was intresting as far as the Andy Kaufman bit was concerned.  These days, you can go from a complete unknown to superstar status overnight litteraltly whereas back then, to go through what Andy did required some patience, good work ethics & a little luck along the way.  Afterwards, the episode went slightly downhill, but it still was a pretty good one.  I did notice some TH cues thrown into the mix including True Grit after the 1st gane finished.  It may've sounded a bit fast but at least it was neat to hear it.

At #9, The Newlywed Game featured that infamous 1977 "Maternity Day" episode that Eubanks claims never happened.  This is one of my Top 10 favorittes because you never know what those darn newlyweds would say.  The wierdest place to get the urge to make whoopie question sure made me think this was that so-called "urban legend" episode.  Poor Olga couldn't get an answer in edgewise when the bell sounded but at least thay won a whole nursery out of that deal.

This night was just another good one with 2 back-to back 1-hour showings at #8 & #7 awaiting us.
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Post by: PYLW on August 23, 2006, 04:03:43 AM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128605\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 03:32 AM\'] [quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'128599\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 02:21 AM\']
didn't The Gong Show Movie air it un-edited, for one reason or another?[/quote]

I've seen the movie, and it's not in there. However, Jaye P. Flashing is in there uncensored, which, if you haven't seen it before, you're not missing much. [/quote]

Alright, thanks.

Actually, one of the GSN Buzz members said that an uncensored clip appears in "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind".
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Post by: Johnissoevil on August 23, 2006, 04:20:14 AM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128547\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:46 PM\']
They cut out the "In the butt" answer! WTF!
[/quote]

Woolery left Whe...nevermind. *rolls eyes*
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Post by: TonicBH on August 23, 2006, 06:14:17 AM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128560\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 08:13 PM\']
Dating Game- 77/100
This game looks dumb. It's like Love Connection in a way.
[/quote]

...I'm speechless. I don't even think deserves a "Wow."
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Post by: catnap1972 on August 23, 2006, 07:31:08 AM
[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'128575\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 11:43 PM\']

And yet, in the copy they aired on GSN, the entire phrase was blanked out, but on "Most Outrageous Game Show Moments," we get to hear the wife say, "In the ..." before the blank. Which makes me wonder: If the entire phrase was bleeped for the original NG broadcast, did the Chuck Barris people actually save an uncensored version that was newly censored for MOGSM?
[/quote]

If the entire phrase was muted (and not just the part after "In the..."), GSN must've re-edited the episode after they originally aired it a few years ago because it was intact back then.
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Post by: cweaver on August 23, 2006, 09:54:17 AM
[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'128613\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 06:31 AM\']
If the entire phrase was muted (and not just the part after "In the..."), GSN must've re-edited the episode after they originally aired it a few years ago because it was intact back then.
[/quote]

I was under the impression the show originally had some kind of cuckoo sound effect covering up the offending phrase?
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Post by: cweaver on August 23, 2006, 10:03:03 AM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'128525\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 09:10 PM\']
I wish I was counting the number of times I've rasied my head away from the computer and just pretty much went "WTF".  If I had a dime for every time that happened....

Someone needs to explain to me Andy Kaufman.  I'm sure he's funny, but not here, really.
[/quote]

I thought he was hysterical on this show.  It was obvious he didn't think much of "The Dating Game."  His "Vic Ferrari" personality from "Taxi" would've given the most obvious answer the "Santa Claus" question ("I was a very bad boy this year, but please leave a stocking at my house anyway!") but here, he acts like he's in a very strange world and can't grasp what's going on.  Hilarious, and bordering on performance art.  Props to Jim Lange for totally going with it.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 23, 2006, 10:16:18 AM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128621\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 07:03 AM\']
but here, he acts like he's in a very strange world and can't grasp what's going on.
[/quote]
I don't know if you've ever seen Man On The Moon, or know anything about Kaufmann outside of Taxi, but that was pretty much how he operated day-to-day. Mostly just to screw with people, too, was the vibe I got.
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Post by: DrBear on August 23, 2006, 10:40:35 AM
Not to get all Zachish, but Carlin was arrested for doing the "Seven Words..." routine in 1972 at Milwaukee's Summerfest, and it appeared on his "Class Clown" album if I remember correctly which was also early-70s. So it was well before the Juice got into the act.
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Post by: Esoteric Eric on August 23, 2006, 11:01:23 AM
[quote name=\'peiboy91\' post=\'128604\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 12:16 AM\'][quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'128599\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 11:21 PM\']And on the "in the ass" quote being left uncensored...[/quote]I don't know about The Gong Show Movie but an uncensored clip of it does appear in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind...[/quote]Thanks, guys; my brain was so "on vacation" last night, I posted my earlier comments while forgetting to add the Confessions reference that inspired me to post in the first place.  (I recently saw the movie for the first time on DVD; they showed Olga's response on a monitor in the NG control room, while extras in the blurred background pretended to be Eubanks and the contestants.)

Esot... wait a minute, I am on vacation... The Vacationing Esoteric Eric
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 23, 2006, 11:22:01 AM
[quote name=\'Esoteric Eric\' post=\'128634\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 11:01 AM\']Thanks, guys; my brain was so "on vacation" last night, I posted my earlier comments while forgetting to add the Confessions reference that inspired me to post in the first place.  (I recently saw the movie for the first time on DVD; they showed Olga's response on a monitor in the NG control room, while extras in the blurred background pretended to be Eubanks and the contestants.)[/quote]
Also, for the record, The Gong Show Movie has never been released on DVD, or for that matter on any home video format.  Copies are easily available since it's aired on television a few times.
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Post by: chad1m on August 23, 2006, 11:34:04 AM
Yeah, I caught it a month or so go on Sundance or one of those movie channels. It was really out there. The one thing I liked about it was that one song that I can't even remember the title of now. Somethin' about waking up.
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Post by: --Richard on August 23, 2006, 01:04:27 PM
Tonight is 1 show....#8.
I predicted Pyramid...but it could be Millionaire.
Hopefully it is NOT the Less Than Amazing Race.
What do you guys think?
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Post by: tvwxman on August 23, 2006, 01:57:50 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128658\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 01:04 PM\']
What do you guys think?
[/quote]
I think you're going to change your sig a few more times today.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 23, 2006, 03:03:46 PM
Quote
It's possible that the prize cues are on the Chuck Barris Game Show Themes CD. A good amount of Treasure Hunt/The Newlywed Game cues are on that CD. I didn't see tonight's show. Thus, I don't know what cues were used.

Surely someone who saw tonight's show has a more definite answer...

That particular cue isn't on the Barris CD.  That CD is mostly of cues/themes written in the early '70s for his shows.  By the time Dating Game returned in '78, a few new ones had been written, and have never appeared on CD to my knowledge.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 23, 2006, 04:33:15 PM
[quote name=\'peiboy91\' post=\'128604\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 01:16 AM\']
[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'128599\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 11:21 PM\']
And on the "in the ass" quote being left uncensored, didn't The Gong Show Movie air it un-edited, for one reason or another? I just recieved the DVD copy, if I ever watch it, I'll tell you guys if it was on. I swear I heard someone say it was...
[/quote]

I don't know about The Gong Show Movie but an uncensored clip of it does appear in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, the movie about Chuck Barris that George Clooney directed.
[/quote]
I never saw the Confessions movie, but I'd almost swear that I saw an uncensored clip of it somewhere else.  As to where it was, I can't remember.

Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues (broadcasting remotely from NY)
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Post by: cweaver on August 23, 2006, 04:49:31 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128623\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 09:16 AM\']
I don't know if you've ever seen Man On The Moon, or know anything about Kaufmann outside of Taxi, but that was pretty much how he operated day-to-day. Mostly just to screw with people, too, was the vibe I got.
[/quote]

I know all about Andy, he's a hero of mine.  My remark about him acting like "he's in a very strange world and can't grasp what's going on" was meant to compare him to other DG contestants, even though it's normal for Andy (or at least his "foreign man" character, as it was known before Taxi and the name "Latka").  Someone else on the board asked to "explain Andy Kaufman to me," and Andy loved it when people complained out loud that they didn't "get" him.
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Post by: uncamark on August 23, 2006, 04:56:31 PM
Milton DeLugg did a bunch of added cues for "TDG"'s return in 1978--don't think Chuckie Baby was going to spring for using the Count Basie/Herb Alpert/Jimmy McGriff records that ABC cleared the first time around (although he did spring for the "TNG" win cue).

And for those of who know Andy Kaufman, that was a classic moment last night--and something that ABC S&P would've probably not allowed Chuckie Baby to get away with on network.
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Post by: davemackey on August 23, 2006, 04:57:13 PM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'128684\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 03:03 PM\']
Quote
It's possible that the prize cues are on the Chuck Barris Game Show Themes CD. A good amount of Treasure Hunt/The Newlywed Game cues are on that CD. I didn't see tonight's show. Thus, I don't know what cues were used.

Surely someone who saw tonight's show has a more definite answer...

That particular cue isn't on the Barris CD.  That CD is mostly of cues/themes written in the early '70s for his shows.  By the time Dating Game returned in '78, a few new ones had been written, and have never appeared on CD to my knowledge.
[/quote]
Those prize cues are the work of Milton Delugg. A couple of them were played live on "$1.98 Beauty Show" as background cues for some of the contestants' acts, in pretty much the same orchestration, so I'm guessing they were recorded by the expanded Band With A Thug (two added sax players) that was used for the first season of $1.98.
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Post by: PYLW on August 23, 2006, 05:10:49 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'128638\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 11:22 AM\']
Also, for the record, The Gong Show Movie has never been released on DVD, or for that matter on any home video format.  Copies are easily available since it's aired on television a few times.
 [/quote]

That's how I got my copy...:D
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Post by: mbc793 on August 23, 2006, 05:54:40 PM
Yeah that makes sense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I watched the Dating Game last night and when they had to pick their date, I swore I heard the music that was heard on The New Treasure Hunt. Can I get it confirmed or I need to check my hearing. Also I had not seen that episode, granted the clips on game show moments along with the infamous newlywed game episode from 1977.
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Post by: chad1m on August 23, 2006, 06:29:40 PM
Well, since Treasure Hunt and Dating Game were both Barris created and produced, it's very likely you would've heard the same, or at least a similar cue.
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Post by: cweaver on August 23, 2006, 07:34:13 PM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'128555\' date=\'Aug 22 2006, 10:03 PM\']
Romper Room?  Eye Guess?  How Do You Like Your Eggs? The Red Hot Poker Feel Good Hour?
[/quote]

Doggone it!  I forgot to put How Do You Like Your Eggs? and Chuck Barris' The Red Hot Poker Feel Good Hour on the list I sent to Matt.  Oh well.
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on August 23, 2006, 09:43:37 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'128658\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 12:04 PM\']
What do you guys think?
[/quote]
That you're beyond help.
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Post by: --Richard on August 23, 2006, 10:01:11 PM
#8 is Pyramid
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Post by: Scott on August 23, 2006, 10:03:54 PM
Well, Rich, you can rest easy.  Pyramid is the hour of power at #8.  First up, the Crystal/Vizconi $20K episode with Crystal's record-setting win.
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Post by: chad1m on August 23, 2006, 10:08:41 PM
Well, Bil said that from now on, all half-hour shows in the countdown will have two episodes featured. That sounds like very good news, and the chance of seeing The Amazing Race looks very bleak.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 23, 2006, 10:11:31 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128787\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 09:08 PM\']
Well, Bil said that from now on, all half-hour shows in the countdown will have two episodes featured. That sounds like very good news [/quote]
So, if the schedule in Richard's signature is right (I don't know if it is or not)...then, some shows are getting the shaft, eh?
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Post by: SimpsonGeek on August 23, 2006, 10:13:26 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128787\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 09:08 PM\']
Well, Bil said that from now on, all half-hour shows in the countdown will have two episodes featured. That sounds like very good news, and the chance of seeing The Amazing Race looks very bleak.
[/quote]


I heard this too and I can't figure out how they will be doing this without skipping a few of these shows to fit the rest of the countdown in hour segments. Price is pretty much going to be skipped then, probably coming in #2 while the hour is dedicated to Match, Wheel, Feud, etc...
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 23, 2006, 10:15:14 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128787\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 10:08 PM\']
Well, Bil said that from now on, all half-hour shows in the countdown will have two episodes featured. That sounds like very good news, and the chance of seeing The Amazing Race looks very bleak.
[/quote]


If that is true there are 7 shows and 4 hours left, which means there are three shows we won't see.

I am guess no Price, no wheel, and since it is in no promos no Jeopardy!
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Post by: chad1m on August 23, 2006, 10:18:23 PM
Yeah, looking at the schedule, what I heard Bil say may have been incorrect.
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Post by: --Richard on August 23, 2006, 10:19:05 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'128791\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 10:15 PM\']


I am guess no Price, no wheel, and since it is in no promos no Jeopardy!
[/quote]

If there is no TPiR, WoF or J!, then all heck's going to break loose, not just on these boards or the GSN boards, but the whole Game show fan base. TPiR is arguably the #1 Game show of all time, and WoF and J! are mega-hits in the syndicaton world.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 23, 2006, 10:19:35 PM
This is why some genius invented the DVR....time to Rewind Live TV (damn I love that concept) and see just exactly if it WAS said

EDIT: Son of a bitch.  "Double doses of the shows at the top of the list".   I'm just...damn....Price, LMAD, and Wheel get the shaft, I've got my money now, then.  I even went back and rewatched it just to make sure I heard exactly what he said.   Yeesh.
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Post by: SimpsonGeek on August 23, 2006, 10:20:14 PM
If we are interpreting Bill correctly, this is what I'm assuming the schedule will be like. This is not what I want to be seen, this is what GSN would most likely show

7. Who Wants to be a Millionaire?
6. Let's Make A Deal
5. Jeopardy! (No episode shown)
4. Family Feud
3. Wheel of Fortune (No episode shown)
2. The Price is Right (No episode shown)
1. Match Game
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 23, 2006, 10:23:57 PM
I misssed the 50 Billion promos...DID they show a LMAD clip in the promo?  If not, ain't no way it gets shown now.  (Heck, I could have sworn they lost the rights, so....)
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Post by: clemon79 on August 23, 2006, 10:24:00 PM
[quote name=\'SimpsonGeek\' post=\'128797\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 07:20 PM\']
If Bill is correct, this is what I'm assuming the schedule will be like.

7. Who Wants to be a Millionaire?
6. Let's Make A Deal
5. Jeopardy! (No episode shown)
4. Family Feud
3. Wheel of Fortune (No episode shown)
2. The Price is Right (No episode shown)
1. Match Game
[/quote]
You're seriously suggesting that they're straight-up not going to air THREE of their TOP FRIGGIN' FIVE? Two of which they DO have rights to? Are you really serious? Do you have two tens for a five?

'Cuz, I mean, I know GSN has screwed this thing up writ large, but that would be about the most moronic move of all time. In fact, I'm not sure what's more moronic, between suggesting that and actually DOING that.
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Post by: SimpsonGeek on August 23, 2006, 10:25:23 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128799\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 09:24 PM\']
[quote name=\'SimpsonGeek\' post=\'128797\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 07:20 PM\']
If Bill is correct, this is what I'm assuming the schedule will be like.

7. Who Wants to be a Millionaire?
6. Let's Make A Deal
5. Jeopardy! (No episode shown)
4. Family Feud
3. Wheel of Fortune (No episode shown)
2. The Price is Right (No episode shown)
1. Match Game
[/quote]
You're seriously suggesting that they're straight-up not going to air THREE of their TOP FRIGGIN' FIVE? Two of which they DO have rights to? Are you really serious? Do you have two tens for a five?

'Cuz, I mean, I know GSN has screwed this thing up writ large, but that would be about the most moronic move of all time. In fact, I'm not sure what's more moronic, between suggesting that and actually DOING that.
[/quote]


I was just basing this on GSN's mindset, and what has not been shown on promos or the press releases
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 23, 2006, 10:26:05 PM
So if you are right on which ones will be shown, GSN will have a special on the greatest game shows and will not show episodes of the two shows that have been on for 30 straight years!!
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 23, 2006, 10:26:43 PM
Bil 'imself said they were double-dipping from here on, which would mean that no matter HOW you slice it 2 of the 5 are dead-in-the-water.  (They could "get away" with "only" two gone by double dipping 5 and not 6)

That one little sentence just drained EVERY last possible ounce of interest I had in this.   Not only did they manage to royally tick off just about everyone at some point or another, either via absurd choices (Freakin' Studs), or asinine airing procedures (3 of the top six NOT GETTING AIRED - when they have the rights to, at last count, WoF, J!, FF, MG, WWTBAM, and possibly LMAD)...nevermind this nonsense didn't increase their ratings among ANY demo OneDamnBit.

...Seriously...just....wow.
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Post by: --Richard on August 23, 2006, 10:27:33 PM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'128798\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 10:23 PM\']
I misssed the 50 Billion promos...DID they show a LMAD clip in the promo?  If not, ain't no way it gets shown now.  (Heck, I could have sworn they lost the rights, so....)
[/quote]

LMAD was in the promo. The rights expire in September, so I'd imagine there will be an episode.

In the mean time, Jeopardy! must be shown. They have rights to it. Of course they could give it the shaft like they did BtC.

If it's given the shaft, all heck's going to break loose.  Same with WoF and TPiR.

EDIT: I am now pretty sure no TPiR episode will be shown, and I think we can expect no episode. Still, in the matter of WoF, and J!, I think it'll break loose. But you never know w/ anything.

FREAKIN' STUDS.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 23, 2006, 10:27:44 PM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'128798\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 10:23 PM\']
I misssed the 50 Billion promos...DID they show a LMAD clip in the promo?  If not, ain't no way it gets shown now.  (Heck, I could have sworn they lost the rights, so....)
[/quote]


Yes there is a Deal clip in the promo.  It is only the title but it is there!
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Post by: Scott on August 23, 2006, 10:32:11 PM
Next up: a $100K Pyramid ep, featuring one of the show's big winners.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 23, 2006, 10:33:20 PM
Ooh, look, a $100,000 Pyramid that GSN has rerun a half-dozen times from '86.  They're airing *this* instead of Wheel (which opinion of the show be damned deserves to be ran), or J!, or LMAD, or Price, or whatever they're screwing over??
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Post by: clemon79 on August 23, 2006, 10:34:20 PM
[quote name=\'SimpsonGeek\' post=\'128800\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 07:25 PM\']
I was just basing this on GSN's mindset, and what has not been shown on promos or the press releases
[/quote]
I'm suggesting you're touched in the head if you think GSN is gonna blow off three of their top five.
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Post by: SimpsonGeek on August 23, 2006, 10:37:23 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128808\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 09:34 PM\']
[quote name=\'SimpsonGeek\' post=\'128800\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 07:25 PM\']
I was just basing this on GSN's mindset, and what has not been shown on promos or the press releases
[/quote]
I'm suggesting you're touched in the head if you think GSN is gonna blow off three of their top five.
[/quote]


Can you suggest a different way they will do this then? Instead of just insulting me again.
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Post by: rebelwrest on August 23, 2006, 10:42:23 PM
Well at least a show worthy of the top ten is playing tonight.  However, I noticed something about the $20,000 Pyramid episode.  When Dick read the letter of Billy Crystal complaining that Dick has misrepresented his record, the letter said I have checked the tapes.  Call me crazy, but does that imply that Billy Crystal has a copy of the episode with his record setting win?

Yes you may call me crazy.
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Post by: Vgmastr on August 23, 2006, 10:46:46 PM
Is it possible that GSN just decided to extend this by a week, covering 4, 5 and 6 next week, and the top 3 the week after?  I can't believe they'd be stupid enough to gloss over 3 of the top 6.
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Post by: chad1m on August 23, 2006, 10:47:03 PM
It could very well be figurative you know.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 23, 2006, 10:57:36 PM
[quote name=\'SimpsonGeek\' post=\'128809\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 07:37 PM\']
Can you suggest a different way they will do this then? Instead of just insulting me again.
[/quote]
Nope, sure can't. Like I've said many times here, they lost me at Freakin' Studs. However, I feel confident in suggesting that they are not so eager to throw away that last little shred of credibility they might have left that they are willing to completely blow off 60% of the top five entries in a multi-week countdown from fifty.

Maybe I'm wrong, 'cuz, ya know, Freakin' Studs. But while GSN has proved unloyal to the fan base that has gotten them to this point (as well they should be at this point), Occam's Razor kicks in and I'm just unable to think they're so moronic as to do something that would make them the laughingstock of the entire cable industry.

[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'128811\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 07:42 PM\']
Yes you may call me crazy.
[/quote]
Crazy isn't the word I'm thinking of.

You won't like the one I am.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: mbc793 on August 23, 2006, 11:18:47 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'128732\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 05:29 PM\']
Well, since Treasure Hunt and Dating Game were both Barris created and produced, it's very likely you would've heard the same, or at least a similar cue.
[/quote]

Yeah you are right there. Thanks 100%.  I thought there was an episode of the Billy Crystal record breaking episode, but when it was mentioned that it was destroyed, I thought oh rats. I don't know if it is figurative to do #6-4, but again call me crazy or another word will be better.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Allstar87 on August 23, 2006, 11:28:02 PM
[quote name=\'Vgmastr\' post=\'128813\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 10:46 PM\']
Is it possible that GSN just decided to extend this by a week, covering 4, 5 and 6 next week, and the top 3 the week after?  I can't believe they'd be stupid enough to gloss over 3 of the top 6.
[/quote]

That's what I was thinking too. It certainly would be logical; the top 7 shows are left in the countdown, the top 7 shows each get an hour. It makes more sense than blowing off three programs which are supposedly the "Greatest Game Shows of All Time".

Oh well, nothing left to do except wait & see how it's handled.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: catnap1972 on August 23, 2006, 11:33:12 PM
Somebody on that "other" board had a thought--maybe GSN's way to weasel out of airing J! or WoF would be some kind of clause that states neither show can air at a time when it could possibly compete with the first-run (or for now, rerun) episodes.

Given that TPIR is almost a guaranteed no-show (aside from stills), I think the safe bet for the last four "airable" shows will be LMAD, MG, FF, and WWTBAM
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: wheelloon on August 23, 2006, 11:35:10 PM
Pyramid tonight: EXCELLENT! Do I think WWTBAM deserves to be higher in any GS list over Pyramid though? No, but, I don't think it should be higher than Password, Squares, or Concentration either. Oh well...

With regards to the the next few nights, GSN should not have thought twice (or even given any thought to it for that matter, it should have been an assumed plan from the beginning), that each of their top 10 shows, maybe even top 20, be shown. Sure, you have rights issues, but the only thing it does by not showing some of their higher rated choices (especially in their top 10, or maybe even in their top 5 *ugh*), is give even LESS credibility to their list, if that was possible at this point. Not that it really had any from the beginning for me, because, like everyone else says, "Freakin' Studs."

If they don't extend the thing for another week, I won't be expecting Price, Deal, or Wheel, and that, in my book, is game show BLASPHEMY!! :(
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 23, 2006, 11:36:36 PM
For what it's worth, the listings services have the regular schedule the week after this is supposed to end, meaning if it IS extending, they haven't been informed as such.  And GSN's still (mildly) promoting the grand finale as next Thursday.  

...I don't want to believe they would actually be stupid enough to have a list of 50 Greatest Game Shows, air full episodes, and not air three of their top six.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: catnap1972 on August 23, 2006, 11:48:07 PM
Dish Network's guide has the same thing listed for the next four (7, 6-5, 4-3, 2-1), so it definitely looks like three shows will get the shaft.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 24, 2006, 12:07:24 AM
[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'128828\' date=\'Aug 23 2006, 08:35 PM\']
With regards to the the next few nights, GSN should not have thought twice (or even given any thought to it for that matter, it should have been an assumed plan from the beginning), that each of their top 10 shows, maybe even top 20, be shown.
[/quote]
It frightens me that you are playing the part of the voice of reason in this thread.

Yes, that's a compliment.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on August 24, 2006, 12:25:09 AM
Thumbs up tonight on showing $20,000 Pyramid, and thumbs down on whatever the hell GSN is doing with this "double dose of one show" junk.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Jay Temple on August 24, 2006, 01:18:26 AM
The good on tonight's show: They mentioned Cullen, Davidson and the $50K, even though they haven't aired any of those in the time I've had GSN (March 2002). They picked good shows instead of shows with big-name celebs.* I also like the mention of Shatner's chair at the end. (amusing quip, too)

The bad: As mentioned, the $100K win is one they've shown many times. (I would have preferred Keif Farrendini's win, just as a reminder that in fact contestants did have that choice.) They didn't mention Osmond's show after mentioning Cullen and Davidson. This is made worse by the fact that the full and complete title of his show, Pyramid, was all they showed on screen.

* Contrast this with the Golden Pyramid Awards special from March 2002. The eps there seem chosen based on two criteria: They had to have a big-name celebrity or more than the standard fourteen rounds of play, preferably both. They had a $100K ep, but it wasn't even from a tournament.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 24, 2006, 02:19:25 AM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'128847\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 12:18 AM\']
The good on tonight's show: They mentioned Cullen, Davidson and the $50K, even though they haven't aired any of those in the time I've had GSN (March 2002). They picked good shows instead of shows with big-name celebs.* I also like the mention of Shatner's chair at the end. (amusing quip, too)
[/quote]
To clarify...they've never aired any of those.  I don't think GSN got Pyramid until October 1997.  Is that correct?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 24, 2006, 03:53:24 AM
The parade of 1-hour showings starts here at #8 with Pyramid:

The $20K episode from 1979 was neat to see though it's ashamed Billy Crystal's 26-second run was shown only as a clip.  This is one of those cases where YouTube will fill that gap.  The color was a bit grainy but since it was a 70's episode, I had no major quibbles over it,

Hmmm. I was hoping to see the episode of the very first $100K winner, but we were saddled with a 1986 tourney episode.  Luckily I caught a clip of the very first tourney win on YouTube as what wouldv'e been a sneak peek.  Oh well.

Up next, #7 & from most accounts, Millionaire will show up here.  After that, the top 6 along with suspicions as to which shows got shafted.  Let the chaos ensue.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: catnap1972 on August 24, 2006, 10:49:04 AM
There's another way GSN could go with this whole thing and only shaft two shows (TPIR which they don't have the rights to and WoF which Sajak seems to have embargoed rerun rights)...give LMAD, J!, FF, and WWTBAM each a double shot, have WoF and TPIR as the designated "clip" mentions next Tuesday and Wednesday, then have the Thursday show segue to the #1 show, MG at 11pm.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: NickintheATL on August 24, 2006, 10:59:48 AM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'128867\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 03:53 AM\']
The $20K episode from 1979 was neat to see though it's ashamed Billy Crystal's 26-second run was shown only as a clip.  This is one of those cases where YouTube will fill that gap.  The color was a bit grainy but since it was a 70's episode, I had no major quibbles over it,
[/quote]

OK, now you're going to harp on the ABC technicians working in the Elsyee Theater (TV-15), huh?  Does everything have to meet your particular standard, even game shows taped in the 1970s with analog technology? You might as well throw your TV set out the window, I enjoyed the show, no matter what shape it was in.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 24, 2006, 11:15:56 AM
I want to throw something out there with this whole "they're not gonna run a TPiR" thing that everyone seems to be so cocksure about. I don't know why I keep trying, nobody's listening, but I'm gonna throw it out there anyhow.

Picture yourself an executive for a national cable channel. Not a podunk television station in Poughkeepsie, not Northwest Cable News, a NATIONALLY DISTRIBUTED CABLE CHANNEL. And it happens to be the only one that uses game shows as a significant part of their programming.

So someone calls a meeting, and has this great idea for a summer series, that counts down the 50 greatest game shows of all time, and they'll show full episodes and everything and it'll be spectatcular. Hell, they'll even blow the dust off of the Larsen episodes of PYL. That should get some eyes.

And someone says "Ya know, Freakin' Studs aside, there's no way we could do a series like that and leave The Price Is Right out of the Top 5. And it's gonna call attention to the fact that we don't have the rights to one of the biggest shows of all time if we don't air one. We'll look like fools if we greenlight a series that throws our shortcomings as a network into sharp relief. Do we really want to put ourselves in that position?"

Do you REALLY think, HONESTLY think, that these people in charge of a national cable channel, even one that pulls mostly dashes like GSN, would just wave their hand and say "Aw, it doesn't matter, nobody will notice"? Because that's what all of you are suggesting. And someone just suggested that in ADDITION to that, they're gonna blow off the Number One Friggin' Syndicated Show Of All Time. Let me repeat that: not just among game shows. Among ALL SYNDICATED SHOWS. NUMBER ONE. Come the hell ON.

'Cuz, I mean, goddamn. Maybe I'm giving them more credit than they deserve, this is, after all, the network who has managed to take a great game like Chain Reaction and completely cock it up. But I just refuse to believe that someone in that position, making at least three, probably four time my salary, could make that decision.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cweaver on August 24, 2006, 11:19:05 AM
[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'128887\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 09:59 AM\']
OK, now you're going to harp on the ABC technicians working in the Elsyee Theater (TV-15), huh?  Does everything have to meet your particular standard, even game shows taped in the 1970s with analog technology? You might as well throw your TV set out the window, I enjoyed the show, no matter what shape it was in.
[/quote]

I took it that he was noting the video quality of the tape, and didn't take it that he was attacking the competency of the studio crew from 27 years ago.  Most of us know those two things would have nothing to do with each other.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cweaver on August 24, 2006, 11:25:08 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128890\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 10:15 AM\']
'Cuz, I mean, goddamn. Maybe I'm giving them more credit than they deserve, this is, after all, the network who has managed to take a great game like Chain Reaction and completely cock it up. But I just refuse to believe that someone in that position, making at least three, probably four time my salary, could make that decision.
[/quote]

It seems to be some kind of panic mentality.  Bill Dwyer said something about a "double dose" of the shows "at the top of the list" and unless they've added another week or made the last three shows two hours each in length, that's just wrong on its face. (It would mean no show is left behind at all if taken literally and they all have two eps, includ TPiR, WoF and J!) Somehow a number of people twisted this around to mean half the shows on the list will be hosed and I'm just not getting that from that one, poorly-worded sentence.  Yet a lot of other people seem to be swearing on warehouses full of bibles that's how it's going to be.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: NickintheATL on August 24, 2006, 11:36:09 AM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'128891\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 11:19 AM\']

I took it that he was noting the video quality of the tape, and didn't take it that he was attacking the competency of the studio crew from 27 years ago.  Most of us know those two things would have nothing to do with each other.
[/quote]

Yes, but still, I think he should just be happy that the repeat was shown in the first place and excuse the quality.

In other words, move along, nothing to see here...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 24, 2006, 11:50:28 AM
[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'128896\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 08:36 AM\']
In other words, move along, nothing to see here...
[/quote]
Which is really what it should say instead of the "You are ignoring all posts..." message on a Karlberg Special.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: NickintheATL on August 24, 2006, 11:57:11 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128902\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 11:50 AM\']
[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'128896\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 08:36 AM\']
In other words, move along, nothing to see here...
[/quote]
Which is really what it should say instead of the "You are ignoring all posts..." message on a Karlberg Special.
[/quote]

Point well taken.

Back on topic: to demonstrate how much that $100k episode has been beaten into the ground, I've seen it at least two times on GSN and even remember seeing it on USA. Now that is messed up.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 24, 2006, 12:16:38 PM
[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'128903\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 08:57 AM\']
Back on topic: to demonstrate how much that $100k episode has been beaten into the ground, I've seen it at least two times on GSN and even remember seeing it on USA. Now that is messed up.
[/quote]
I am going to suggest that it is IMPOSSIBLE to beat into the ground any episode of Pyramid featuring Heather Davis.

/I'd hit that so hard the $300 box would flip on its own
//Lon can even watch if he wants
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: davemackey on August 24, 2006, 12:19:27 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128906\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 12:16 PM\']
[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'128903\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 08:57 AM\']
Back on topic: to demonstrate how much that $100k episode has been beaten into the ground, I've seen it at least two times on GSN and even remember seeing it on USA. Now that is messed up.
[/quote]
I am going to suggest that it is IMPOSSIBLE to beat into the ground any episode of Pyramid featuring Heather Davis.
[/quote]
When I found out it was a championship show I was fearing it would be the kajillionth rerun of the one with Lauri Hendler and Stuart Pankin. Thank goodness it was another one, but still... there's tons of Pyramid that GSN just doesn't want to license... the old CBS daytime shows, for example...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: aaron sica on August 24, 2006, 12:27:58 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128890\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 11:15 AM\']
Do you REALLY think, HONESTLY think, that these people in charge of a national cable channel, even one that pulls mostly dashes like GSN, would just wave their hand and say "Aw, it doesn't matter, nobody will notice"? Because that's what all of you are suggesting. And someone just suggested that in ADDITION to that, they're gonna blow off the Number One Friggin' Syndicated Show Of All Time. Let me repeat that: not just among game shows. Among ALL SYNDICATED SHOWS. NUMBER ONE. Come the hell ON.

'Cuz, I mean, goddamn. Maybe I'm giving them more credit than they deserve, this is, after all, the network who has managed to take a great game like Chain Reaction and completely cock it up. But I just refuse to believe that someone in that position, making at least three, probably four time my salary, could make that decision.
[/quote]

I'm not entirely disagreeing with you on this - I think they absolutely SHOULD run an episode of TPiR, considering it is going to rank up there so high. However, I don't believe as strongly as you do that they are going to. While I definitely think they SHOULD, this is GSN we're talking about. If I come across as anti-GSN in this post, I'm very sorry, as that's not how I mean to come across. However, I've seen over the years, all of the bonehead moves that they've made - only having a handful of episodes of certain shows, the amount of times daily that a certain show is run, just to name a few. That said, if they get down to where TPiR is, and they show a bunch of stills and a quick history lesson on it, but no show, I'm TOTALLY not going to be surprised. This is GSN we're talking about - it would just be the latest in a long line of moves they have which have made no sense.

I am very happy to have GSN. While it's not perfect, it's better than no place at all to watch game shows (you should have seen the frequency at which I wrote USA Network as a child and asked them to run "Match Game"..). I just question a lot of decisions they have made over the years, and would not be surprised if the extent of TPiR on the countdown came down to a quick history lesson and some still shots.

Everyone, of course, is entitled to their opinion (and it sure as hell wouldn't be exciting around here if the opinions were all the same), so I wait anxiously to see how this resolves out. If they show an episode, great! If they don't, great! No one is going to look like a fool if they were wrong on this.

P.S. Part of me hopes  they DON'T show an episode, just to see what minus minus Richard will say, as he seems quite fixated on thinking all hell will break loose if an episode is not shown. ;)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: chad1m on August 24, 2006, 12:48:40 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'128906\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 12:16 PM\']
/I'd hit that so hard the $300 box would flip on its own
[/quote]

That's the best quote I've heard/read all week. If I could shake your hand right now, I wo--- Well, I probably wouldn't after reading that, but I'd get around to it. ;)

But, right now, I'm just not trying to make any decisions or future judgments about the list. I'm just going to wait and see how things go. Hopefully GSN is going to throw us a curveball and not give a black-and-white still of any shows from here on out, and if they do, a pox on them.

And, by the way, I must have missed it somewhere down the line, but what exactly did Sajak say about Wheel and GSN?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cweaver on August 24, 2006, 01:58:09 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'128909\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 11:27 AM\']
if they get down to where TPiR is, and they show a bunch of stills and a quick history lesson on it, but no show, I'm TOTALLY not going to be surprised. This is GSN we're talking about - it would just be the latest in a long line of moves they have which have made no sense.
[/quote]

For the record, the last "all-stills-no-episode" entry was #17, Name That Tune.  This appears to be the longest "no stills" streak we've seen so far.  Might that be a good sign?

Quote
Everyone, of course, is entitled to their opinion (and it sure as hell wouldn't be exciting around here if the opinions were all the same), so I wait anxiously to see how this resolves out. If they show an episode, great! If they don't, great! No one is going to look like a fool if they were wrong on this.

P.S. Part of me hopes  they DON'T show an episode, just to see what minus minus Richard will say, as he seems quite fixated on thinking all hell will break loose if an episode is not shown. ;)

I have to agree, there's so much uncertainty right now no one's going to look like an idiot for trying to guess what happens next...except for the "don't suffer fools gladly" types.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Don Howard on August 24, 2006, 02:56:22 PM
This I wonder:
What are the odds that members of the staff and management of GSN: The Network For Games are reading this thread and laughing their rumps off?
Audience, vote now.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 24, 2006, 03:05:16 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'128955\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 11:56 AM\']
This I wonder:
What are the odds that members of the staff and management of GSN: The Network For Games are reading this thread and laughing their rumps off?
Audience, vote now.
[/quote]
Depends on what they're laughing at, if they're laughing at the kiddies posting the stupid crap, or the people suggesting that Freakin' Studs is ruining what tenuous grasp they had on any kind of credibility.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SteveRep on August 24, 2006, 03:19:36 PM
First off, in regards to the "they can't greenlight a project such as this and then not show a Price episode."

While I agree they'd look like mucking forons if they did that, I've learned time after time that it's VERY easy of over-estimate the logic level in them TV programming offices.

i.e. #8 -- another show that's way below where I had it (in my e-mail votes to Matt, I had it Price-Jeopardy-Pyramid) but knowing how GSN is running this thing, it's not that far off. I liked seeing the $20K episode with the archaic flip-over score displays and clock and the original version of the theme.

Even though my 'Greatest' vote had Pyramid third, I still think it was the Best game ever on TV. It had everything --  a need for more than just knowledge, celebrities, drama, to name a few.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Blanquepage on August 24, 2006, 03:35:46 PM
Quote
Even though my 'Greatest' vote had Pyramid third, I still think it was the Best game ever on TV. It had everything -- a need for more than just knowledge, celebrities, drama, to name a few.

Agree with you that it was the best tv game ever. It's my number one show, but I had a feeling GSN would stick it in the bottom half of the top 10.

--Jamie
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: --Richard on August 24, 2006, 08:51:43 PM
Here's how the list looks so far:
50)3's A Crowd
49)Treasure Hunt
48)Blockbusters
47)Freakin' Studs
46)Hollywood Showdown
45)Shop 'Til You Drop
44)Truth or Consequences
43)Tattletales
42)Queen For a Day
41)$1.98 Beauty Show
40)Twenty-One
39)College Bowl
38)Whammy!
37)Greed
36)Remote Control
35)Beat the Clock
34)$ale of the Century
33)Dog Eat Dog(Uggh...)
32)Tic Tac Dough
31)You Bet Your Life
30)Card Sharks
29)Scrabble
28)The $64K Question
27)Win Ben Stein's Money
26)Deal or No Deal
25)Password+/Super Password
24)Win Lose or Draw
23)The Joker's Wild
22)Weakest Link
21)I've Got a Secret
20)Concentration
19)To Tell the Truth
18)Love Connection
17)Name That Tune
16)Lingo
15)Password
14)What's My Line?
13)Press Your Luck
12)The Gong Show
11)The Hollywood Squares
10)The Dating Game
9)The Newlywed Game
8)Pyramid
7-1

I'm guessing tonight will be Millionaire, the John Carpenter episodes.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: chad1m on August 24, 2006, 09:30:22 PM
I'm hoping something is really good tonight. It appears to be two half-hour episodes tonight.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Scott on August 24, 2006, 10:01:55 PM
It's Let's Make a Deal at #7!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cweaver on August 24, 2006, 10:07:30 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'129004\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 09:01 PM\']
It's Let's Make a Deal at #7!
[/quote]

Am I off base to assume this is a nighttime syndicated episode?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: BrandonFG on August 24, 2006, 10:25:44 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'129006\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 10:07 PM\']
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'129004\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 09:01 PM\']
It's Let's Make a Deal at #7!
[/quote]

Am I off base to assume this is a nighttime syndicated episode?
[/quote]
I'm guessing so...Monty mentions the Big Deal being at over $10,300. From the looks of the cars, I'm guessing c. 1972 or '73?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: MrBuddwing on August 24, 2006, 10:27:58 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'129014\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 10:25 PM\']
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'129006\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 10:07 PM\']
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'129004\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 09:01 PM\']
It's Let's Make a Deal at #7!
[/quote]

Am I off base to assume this is a nighttime syndicated episode?
[/quote]
I'm guessing so...Monty mentions the Big Deal being at over $10,300. From the looks of the cars, I'm guessing c. 1972 or '73?
[/quote]

They said 1972.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Scott on August 24, 2006, 10:32:29 PM
Episode #2 in tonight's LMAD block is a '76 episode.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: BrandonFG on August 24, 2006, 10:32:38 PM
[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'129015\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 10:27 PM\']
Quote
I'm guessing so...Monty mentions the Big Deal being at over $10,300. From the looks of the cars, I'm guessing c. 1972 or '73?

They said 1972.
[/quote]
Cool, thanks. I missed Bil's first intro. :-)

Ep. two is from 1976...anyone know when they added the "LMAD Trading Floor" stuff to the front of that wall behind the trading floor?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cweaver on August 24, 2006, 10:37:55 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'129018\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 09:32 PM\']
Ep. two is from 1976...anyone know when they added the "LMAD Trading Floor" stuff to the front of that wall behind the trading floor?
[/quote]

I dunno but I loved the "Bicentennial Box."

BTW the Spiegel Catalog cover seen at the end of the first show had a '72 date on it (confirming what Bill Dwyer already said).  Those catalogs are surprisingly helpful in dating game shows, as I found out today watching a late '63/early '64 Queen for a Day ep.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Scott on August 24, 2006, 10:59:45 PM
Also, the second ep is from the Super Deal era, with a big win at the end.  PLUS!  No crunched credits tonight!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: --Richard on August 24, 2006, 11:01:14 PM
LMAD gets 100/100

Kudos to GSN also for uncrunching the credits!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: mbc793 on August 24, 2006, 11:09:57 PM
I really didn't mind that Let's Make a Deal made it into the top 10. Plus I thought it was great to get two episodes, I taped them both from 1972 & 1976 and I agree I liked the box from the second episode with the 76 on it. I give it a 10 overall, plus bonus points for not crunching the credits at the end of both episodes. :)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 24, 2006, 11:13:54 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'129032\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 08:01 PM\']
LMAD gets 100/100
[/quote]
Huh?

Do you ever make a DAMN bit of sense?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: wheelloon on August 24, 2006, 11:15:50 PM
Ahhh!! It was so good to see LMAD again. It brings back memories of my childhood, staying home from school watching game shows. I don't remember if it was on GSN or not, but I remember seeing the 76' episode not too long ago somewhere on TV.

My hope in GSN showing Wheel and maybe TPIR has been somewhat restored (maybe way too early, or a bit too naively), but the scheduling still has me scratching my head as to how they'd do it with the info we have. Any chance maybe one or more of the episodes next week will be a 2-hour one, to honor the top shows on the countdown with the most of GSN's so valuable *cough* air-time??
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 24, 2006, 11:34:32 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129036\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 10:13 PM\']
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'129032\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 08:01 PM\']
LMAD gets 100/100
[/quote]
Huh?

Do you ever make a DAMN bit of sense?
[/quote]
I think you answered your own question with "huh".
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: LocalH on August 24, 2006, 11:44:38 PM
[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'129037\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 11:15 PM\']
My hope in GSN showing Wheel and maybe TPIR has been somewhat restored (maybe way too early, or a bit too naively), but the scheduling still has me scratching my head as to how they'd do it with the info we have. Any chance maybe one or more of the episodes next week will be a 2-hour one, to honor the top shows on the countdown with the most of GSN's so valuable *cough* air-time??
[/quote]
If Bil's "double dose" comment was accurate, then half of the remaining shows will be getting shafted, and no hourlong shows will be aired (which, to me, says that if they're airing Price, it'll be some old half-hour eps).

I'm not really expecting to see an ep of either Price or Wheel at this point. Out of the three shows that will get aired eps next week, I'm guessing that two of them are definitely Millionaire and MG, since they already have rights to air both (although it would be a refreshing change). If the third one is J! then I'll give up on GSN for anything except sourcing decent quality copies of PYL episodes.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: --Richard on August 25, 2006, 12:23:04 AM
[quote name=\'LocalH\' post=\'129044\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 11:44 PM\']


Millionaire and MG
[/quote]

Then that in theory would make the other one Family Feud, as it was mentioned in the promo.
Based on that...I am now 100% sure TPiR, Wheel and J! Will get the shaft.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 25, 2006, 01:00:37 AM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'129052\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 09:23 PM\']
Then that in theory would make the other one Family Feud, as it was mentioned in the promo.
Based on that...I am now 100% sure TPiR, Wheel and J! Will get the shaft.
[/quote]
And based on that, I am now 100% sure about you.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 25, 2006, 01:08:24 AM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'129052\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 11:23 PM\']
Then that in theory would make the other one Family Feud, as it was mentioned in the promo.
Based on that...I am now 100% sure TPiR, Wheel and J! Will get the shaft.
[/quote]
No offense to Matt...but I take it you are going to be a weatherman when you grow up, huh?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on August 25, 2006, 01:51:17 AM
Thumbs up tonight, as this is the first time for me on seeing the 70's version of LMaD, which is a great show. Plus, uncrunched credits! Massive thumbs up, I thought WWTBAM was going to air tonight...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: narzo on August 25, 2006, 02:26:20 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129055\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 12:00 AM\']
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'129052\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 09:23 PM\']
Then that in theory would make the other one Family Feud, as it was mentioned in the promo.
Based on that...I am now 100% sure TPiR, Wheel and J! Will get the shaft.
[/quote]
And based on that, I am now 100% sure about you.
[/quote]

yeah, it's time to start ignoring this person.  I think all the evidence is in.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: mbc793 on August 25, 2006, 02:40:51 AM
100% sure? Hmm even I'm not sure about that. Well they have been airing Jeopardy! in the timeslot on GSN, but even I'm not sure what's the last 6, Family Feud yeah, Match Game yeah, Millionaire? I don't know. summarize I don't know what it will be, I also thought it was to be WWTBM, but again I am wrong 10 times out of 10.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 25, 2006, 03:39:14 AM
I thought PYL was the best showing on this countdown untill a surprise entry at #7, Let's Make a Deal.

This was absolutely a double thumbs-up night here.  Seeing both the '72 & '76 episodes take me back to my childhood days.  I remember watching it at 1:30PM on varous occasions from an ABC affiliate there when I was in Batavia New York back then.  Seeing Monty being Monty was sure fun to watch.  There was so much unpredictability here, I swear I had no idea that there was even such a thing as the Monty Hall Problem which was mentioned by Dwyer in his segue into the '76 episode.

One thing that occured in both episodes was the savings bonds deals.  Was that a common deal in those days?  I'm sure another one is the "hide money in the candy bar" trick,  The best deal was the answering machine bit from '72.  I wish that deal was played more often.  Still, it was worth the wait.  No credit crunches at the end made it even more perfect.  Kudos to GSN there,

Now, the most pivotal week awaits us starting at #6.  At this point, I'll just leave it at that.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: BrandonFG on August 25, 2006, 04:08:18 AM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'129031\' date=\'Aug 24 2006, 10:59 PM\']
Also, the second ep is from the Super Deal era, with a big win at the end.  PLUS!  No crunched credits tonight!
[/quote]
One thing I noticed about GSN is that any show where there's talking during the credits, GSN allows the credits to play untouched. No complaints here. :-)

Although I'm not sure how they handle the comedic closings from Hollywood Squares/H^2.

As for the final shows, I'm guessing Price, MG, Feud, J!, Wheel, and Millionaire (not necessarily in that order). Unless I left something out, it looks like they'd be the last six, although I would've replaced Millionaire with Pyramid higher on the list. So, what's this about something getting the shaft? You have five of the most popular shows, arguably, plus a sixth show that's gained its own popularity in recent years. What makes it better is that all six currently air in one form or another. What's there to "shaft"?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: chad1m on August 25, 2006, 04:51:08 AM
Normally, the H² ending/credits stay untouched and uncrunched.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 25, 2006, 08:08:21 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'129068\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 04:08 AM\']As for the final shows, I'm guessing Price, MG, Feud, J!, Wheel, and Millionaire (not necessarily in that order). Unless I left something out, it looks like they'd be the last six, although I would've replaced Millionaire with Pyramid higher on the list. So, what's this about something getting the shaft? You have five of the most popular shows, arguably, plus a sixth show that's gained its own popularity in recent years. What makes it better is that all six currently air in one form or another. What's there to "shaft"?[/quote]
Doesn't look like you've been paying attention.  There's very little doubt that the six shows you mention are going to be the final six in the countdown.  However, according to comments made by Dwyer earlier in the week, only three of those shows are going to actually air on the countdown.  In other words, three of the six Greatest Game Shows of All Time might only get a passing mention when we reach their spot in the countdown.  Those three shows (at this point, generally thought to be J!, Wheel and TPIR) are the ones being referred to as getting the shaft.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: BrandonFG on August 25, 2006, 08:39:07 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'129071\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 08:08 AM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'129068\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 04:08 AM\']As for the final shows, I'm guessing Price, MG, Feud, J!, Wheel, and Millionaire (not necessarily in that order). Unless I left something out, it looks like they'd be the last six, although I would've replaced Millionaire with Pyramid higher on the list. So, what's this about something getting the shaft? You have five of the most popular shows, arguably, plus a sixth show that's gained its own popularity in recent years. What makes it better is that all six currently air in one form or another. What's there to "shaft"?[/quote]
Doesn't look like you've been paying attention.[/quote]
Yes, well maybe I just have to try harder next time. :-P
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cweaver on August 25, 2006, 10:00:24 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'129071\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 07:08 AM\']
 There's very little doubt that the six shows you mention are going to be the final six in the countdown.  However, according to comments made by Dwyer earlier in the week, only three of those shows are going to actually air on the countdown.  In other words, three of the six Greatest Game Shows of All Time might only get a passing mention when we reach their spot in the countdown.  [/quote]


I'm just not getting that from what Dwyer said, first of all, and secondly, I'm wondering why no one appears to be entertaining the idea Dwyer (or whoever wrote his script) could just flat out be wrong?  That would certainly by no means be a first on GSN.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: LocalH on August 25, 2006, 10:23:03 AM
Exact quote from Wednesday's intro:

"Welcome to the 50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time. I'm Bil Dwyer, and we're heading into the home stretch on our countdown, so we'll be giving you double doses of the shows at the top of our list." (emphasis mine)

I don't see too many ways to interpret that, to be honest. Whether it's correct or not is irrelevant to me at this point. Of course, if it does end up being incorrect, that's just another reason to dislike GSN (not like we're running short of those - Freakin' Studs, for example).
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 25, 2006, 10:28:44 AM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'129076\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 07:00 AM\']
I'm wondering why no one appears to be entertaining the idea Dwyer (or whoever wrote his script) could just flat out be wrong?  
[/quote]
Hello! Over here! Yo!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 25, 2006, 10:31:12 AM
[quote name=\'LocalH\' post=\'129077\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 07:23 AM\']
I don't see too many ways to interpret that, to be honest. Whether it's correct or not is irrelevant to me at this point. Of course, if it does end up being incorrect, that's just another reason to dislike GSN (not like we're running short of those - Freakin' Studs, for example).
[/quote]
So, wait.

If that ends up being incorrect, and that means they DO get to run a memorable episode of shows that the Blithering Idiots keep suggesting are gonna get shafted, that's another reason to DISLIKE GSN?

You people really gotta make up your minds.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Ian Wallis on August 25, 2006, 10:39:09 AM
Quote
One thing I noticed about GSN is that any show where there's talking during the credits, GSN allows the credits to play untouched. No complaints here. :-)

I'm glad they're doing that.  There was a time when they did squeeze the LMAD credits.  I have a couple on tape.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: LocalH on August 25, 2006, 11:11:14 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129079\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 10:31 AM\']
So, wait.

If that ends up being incorrect, and that means they DO get to run a memorable episode of shows that the Blithering Idiots keep suggesting are gonna get shafted, that's another reason to DISLIKE GSN?

You people really gotta make up your minds.
[/quote]
It's another reason to dislike them because it shows incompetency, as a statement like Bil's would most certainly be cleared for air. At this point, a lot of people already dislike their handling of the countdown (not to mention GSN's other recent gaffes), so what's one more thing to pile on?

GSN set themselves up for massive failure with this countdown, given the earlier entries. I think by the time we saw Dog Eat Dog on the countdown, people should have known to expect more disappointment. Certainly, if GSN goes back on what Bil says then I'll be happy as a game show fan, but I'll still dislike GSN for outright lying on the air.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SteveRep on August 25, 2006, 11:17:21 AM
Man,  that's 2 nights in a row where I was expecting Millionaire.

(ACK! I just realized I didn't have LMaD in my top-50 vote! Matt O, check your e-mail ....)

What I'm expecting for next week's final three episodes is a stills-only, short mention of the even-numbered show, and then a double-shot of the odd number.

Under that setup, and if Wheel, J and Price are the shows not to be shown, I'd expect something like:

6-Wheel
5-Millionaire

4-Jeopardy
3-Feud

2-TPiR
1-Match Game
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cweaver on August 25, 2006, 11:22:25 AM
[quote name=\'LocalH\' post=\'129077\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 09:23 AM\']
Exact quote from Wednesday's intro:

"Welcome to the 50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time. I'm Bil Dwyer, and we're heading into the home stretch on our countdown, so we'll be giving you double doses of the shows at the top of our list." (emphasis mine)

[/quote]

I have that exact quote on my website and it doesn't explain itself like you say it does.  It says "everything we have left will appear in two-episode form, starting with Pyramid."  I'm just not making that final leap of logic that says it can only mean "I swear on ten warehouses full of bibles we'll show anything in the world but The Price is Right" and nothing else.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: LocalH on August 25, 2006, 11:25:33 AM
Well, unless they dig out some early half-hour eps, there's no way they can give Price a double-shot. As for the other shows mentioned as candidates for shafting, it's just speculation on our parts.

If I'm wrong on this and they do air Price, then I'll be almost as giddy as I would be if I got unfettered access to GSN's vault.

Almost.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 25, 2006, 11:42:20 AM
[quote name=\'LocalH\' post=\'129083\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 08:11 AM\']
Certainly, if GSN goes back on what Bil says then I'll be happy as a game show fan, but I'll still dislike GSN for outright lying on the air.
[/quote]
Uh, yeah, ok. I give up.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 25, 2006, 12:16:17 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'129085\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 11:22 AM\']I have that exact quote on my website and it doesn't explain itself like you say it does.  It says "everything we have left will appear in two-episode form, starting with Pyramid."  I'm just not making that final leap of logic that says it can only mean "I swear on ten warehouses full of bibles we'll show anything in the world but The Price is Right" and nothing else.[/quote]
I think, though, that logic would suggest something pretty close to that.  IF we take the Dwyer quote at face value (and there are reasons why it doesn't make a lot of sense) then three of the last six shows are not going to be seen.  Millionaire, Match Game and Family Feud are three of their most popular shows, Wheel and Jeopardy less so, and Price, of course, they don't have at all.  On the surface, then, the most logical assumption is that the first three will be shown, and the last three won't.  Is it possible that they could surprise us with Price and not show one of the others? Sure, but that doesn't seme remotely as likely as the other explanation.

The problem with that is that it just doesn't seem logical that they'd not show Wheel and Jeopardy, when they made room for $1.98 Beauty Show and Shop Til You Drop.  Unless, perhaps, Sony has a deal with KingWorld that keeps those two shows out of prime time on GSN.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 25, 2006, 01:03:51 PM
It's possible that airing the three shows that are currently in production might be considered an insult to the intellegence of the average viewer.  Everybody knows what WOF, J and TPIR look like, they were just on that day; anybody who doesn't know about them doesn't watch TV.  I'd expect a short history lesson on the shows, and a reminder that you can see the shows everyday on your local station.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Don Howard on August 25, 2006, 01:07:15 PM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'129067\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 03:39 AM\']
Seeing Monty being Monty was sure fun to watch.[/quote]
Oh? Who is he usually?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 25, 2006, 01:07:58 PM
[quote name=\'LocalH\' post=\'129083\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 10:11 AM\']
It's another reason to dislike them because it shows incompetency, as a statement like Bil's would most certainly be cleared for air. [/quote]
Considering they've made other inaccurate statements during this...why not another?
Quote
but I'll still dislike GSN for outright lying on the air.
But I bet you'll still be watching, right?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: LocalH on August 25, 2006, 01:15:53 PM
Probably. One doesn't have to like a network to enjoy programming that runs on said network.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: catnap1972 on August 25, 2006, 01:58:36 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'129091\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 12:16 PM\']
I think, though, that logic would suggest something pretty close to that.  IF we take the Dwyer quote at face value (and there are reasons why it doesn't make a lot of sense) then three of the last six shows are not going to be seen.  Millionaire, Match Game and Family Feud are three of their most popular shows, Wheel and Jeopardy less so, and Price, of course, they don't have at all.  On the surface, then, the most logical assumption is that the first three will be shown, and the last three won't.  Is it possible that they could surprise us with Price and not show one of the others? Sure, but that doesn't seme remotely as likely as the other explanation.[/quote]

The bigger problem with the logic everyone throwing around is why would they give a double shot of Pyramid and LMAD when they'd have to shaft FF, MG, and WWTBAM with a single episode each if they were intending on airing the other three.

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Unless, perhaps, Sony has a deal with KingWorld that keeps those two shows out of prime time on GSN.

That's certainly the more plausible explanation why they'd not air them.  Supposedly KW has some agreement with Oprah and Dr Phil where they can't be run opposite one another unless they're both double run, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that there's a similar non-compete agreement concerning J! and WoF (especially since both would air current episodes on the west coast during the same time period 50GGS airs on the east coast)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cweaver on August 25, 2006, 05:05:48 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'129091\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 11:16 AM\']
The problem with that is that it just doesn't seem logical that they'd not show Wheel and Jeopardy, when they made room for $1.98 Beauty Show and Shop Til You Drop.  Unless, perhaps, Sony has a deal with KingWorld that keeps those two shows out of prime time on GSN.
[/quote]

...but surely showing, say, an Art Fleming ep of Jeopardy! wouldn't be any kind of gross violation of any such agreement, ditto the Wheel of Fortune 3,000th episode from the 1980s (or a rare Woolery ep that might've turned up).
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: MrBuddwing on August 25, 2006, 10:26:23 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'129131\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 05:05 PM\']
...but surely showing, say, an Art Fleming ep of Jeopardy! wouldn't be any kind of gross violation of any such agreement, ditto the Wheel of Fortune 3,000th episode from the 1980s (or a rare Woolery ep that might've turned up).
[/quote]

They do anything like that, and I'll take back *most* of what I've said about GSN in the past (like they really care). ;-)

On another board, a poster mentioned that someone has put a really old GSN promo on YouTube. What was interesting about the promo is that it promo'd a showing of the syndicated version of "The Price Is Right" starring Tom Kennedy - could that conceivably fill in for Bob Barker? Heck, I'll take a Bill Cullen TPIR if they've got it.

Betraying my age, aren't I?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: cweaver on August 25, 2006, 11:02:28 PM
[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'129151\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 09:26 PM\']
On another board, a poster mentioned that someone has put a really old GSN promo on YouTube. What was interesting about the promo is that it promo'd a showing of the syndicated version of "The Price Is Right" starring Tom Kennedy - could that conceivably fill in for Bob Barker? Heck, I'll take a Bill Cullen TPIR if they've got it.

Betraying my age, aren't I?
[/quote]

I would think that is workable, only problem is, I think most people here are tapping their feet expecting to see Bob Barker.

Edit: ...and absolutely no way will they show a Cullen ep...unless some rare color ep from the ABC run turns up in someone's barn.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 25, 2006, 11:21:20 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'129157\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 10:10 PM\']
So unless something weird happens do NOT expect TPiR. [/quote]
Unless you're a GSN employee...which you are not...you don't know this.

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And just for fun:
FREAKIN' STUDS. ;)
I can see this joke slowly falling into the Marietta Trench.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: --Richard on August 25, 2006, 11:26:10 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'129160\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 11:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'129157\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 10:10 PM\']
So unless something weird happens do NOT expect TPiR. [/quote]
Unless you're a GSN employee...which you are not...you don't know this.


[/quote]

Well I am sure you heard what Bil Dwyer said Wedensday. He said 2 shows of each of the remaining. If you think logically, Match Game, Millionaire and Family Feud would be it. If you go to GSN's site and click on 50 Greatest in the schedule, you'll see pictures on the 50 Greatest page. 1 is of MG and 1 is of WWTBAM. FF was shown in the promo. So there are your 3 shows being aired, which logically counts TPiR out(and WoF and J!).
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLdude on August 25, 2006, 11:28:30 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'129157\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 11:10 PM\']
And just for fun:
FREAKIN' STUDS. ;)
[/quote]

Thank you for officially killing that joke.

And you wonder why people pick on you...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: LocalH on August 25, 2006, 11:53:11 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'129157\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 11:10 PM\']
GSN does have the Cullen version in their possession. But CBS doesn't let GSN air that version, even though it aired on NBC and ABC.

So unless something weird happens do NOT expect TPiR.

And just for fun:
FREAKIN' STUDS. ;)
[/quote]
Wow.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLdude on August 25, 2006, 11:58:09 PM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'129157\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 11:10 PM\']
GSN does have the Cullen version in their possession. But CBS doesn't let GSN air that version, even though it aired on NBC and ABC.
[/quote]

What does one have to do with the other?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: --Richard on August 26, 2006, 12:17:58 AM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'129170\' date=\'Aug 26 2006, 12:13 AM\']
Hot damn! I just won $50 on a TV Quotes game. I was able to identify that "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!" was from The Brady Bunch. I'm tickled pink as of right now. =D
[/quote]

That has nothing to do with this topic. That should be posted in the "PlayMania" topic.  But good job, anyway.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: dzinkin on August 26, 2006, 12:22:16 AM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'129171\' date=\'Aug 26 2006, 12:17 AM\']
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'129170\' date=\'Aug 26 2006, 12:13 AM\']
Hot damn! I just won $50 on a TV Quotes game. I was able to identify that "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!" was from The Brady Bunch. I'm tickled pink as of right now. =D
[/quote]
That has nothing to do with this topic. That should be posted in the "PlayMania" topic.  But good job, anyway.
[/quote]
You are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, absolutely the last person who should be telling others what is appropriate and what is not.

(Chad: proving that a stopped clock is indeed right twice a day, --Richard is correct.  Your post did not belong in this thread.)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: chad1m on August 26, 2006, 12:33:06 AM
I am very sorry about that, I totally clicked the wrong thread. =\ Well, now that I feel like a total idiot, I dies and apologize.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Steve McClellan on August 26, 2006, 03:46:43 AM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Aug 26 2006, 12:22 AM\'](Chad: proving that a stopped clock is indeed right twice a day, --Richard is correct.[/quote]
And, perhaps more relevantly to this case, a clock running backwards is right four times a day. ;)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: TLEberle on August 26, 2006, 04:33:49 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'129160\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 08:21 PM\']
I can see this joke slowly falling into the Marietta Trench.[/quote]Those of a certain mind can probably fill in the blanks, but when I read this, I instantly thought of a dirty joke. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to give Charon my dinner order...
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 26, 2006, 11:00:11 AM
[quote name=\'--Richard\' post=\'129161\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 11:26 PM\']

Well I am sure you heard what Bil Dwyer said Wedensday. He said 2 shows of each of the remaining. If you think logically, Match Game, Millionaire and Family Feud would be it. If you go to GSN's site and click on 50 Greatest in the schedule, you'll see pictures on the 50 Greatest page. 1 is of MG and 1 is of WWTBAM. FF was shown in the promo. So there are your 3 shows being aired, which logically counts TPiR out(and WoF and J!).
[/quote]

Be careful using the photos on that page as a sign of anything.  That is the same page everyone kept using to say The Amazing Race would be in the countdown.   There are 5 Race photos and it is not going to be on the countdown.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 26, 2006, 02:42:24 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'129211\' date=\'Aug 26 2006, 08:00 AM\']
it is not going to be on the cuuntdown.
[/quote]
Most. Appropriate. Unintentional. Typo. EVAR. :)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 26, 2006, 04:07:53 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129227\' date=\'Aug 26 2006, 02:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'129211\' date=\'Aug 26 2006, 08:00 AM\']
it is not going to be on the cuuntdown.
[/quote]
Most. Appropriate. Unintentional. Typo. EVAR. :)
[/quote]
 Ouch!! sorry
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Post by: clemon79 on August 26, 2006, 05:06:04 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'129233\' date=\'Aug 26 2006, 01:07 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129227\' date=\'Aug 26 2006, 02:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'129211\' date=\'Aug 26 2006, 08:00 AM\']
it is not going to be on the cuuntdown.
[/quote]
Most. Appropriate. Unintentional. Typo. EVAR. :)
[/quote]
 Ouch!! sorry
[/quote]
Please don't be. It was wholly appropriate. :)
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 27, 2006, 10:07:22 AM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'129067\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 03:39 AM\']
 I swear I had no idea that there was even such a thing as the Monty Hall Problem which was mentioned by Dwyer in his segue into the '76 episode.

[/quote]


Just got a chance to watch the recording. I realized the "grocery" deal was "The Monty Hall problem"

She was playing for a car  valued $5100 and change.  She had 5 products and had to pick the one valued 59c.  After she picks, Monty then eliminates 3 wrong choices, leaving two choices.   He offers her the chance to "call off the deal" basically "switch" first for furniture valued $1700.  He then offers her the furniture + 300. . 500. . .1000.

We all know her odds of winning are 4 times better by switching.  So by offering more than half the value of the car to switch was Monty basically indicating she had won the car
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 27, 2006, 11:26:29 AM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'129287\' date=\'Aug 27 2006, 10:07 AM\']We all know her odds of winning are 4 times better by switching.  So by offering more than half the value of the car to switch was Monty basically indicating she had won the car[/quote]
The thing about the Monty Hall Problem is that it really only works as an abstract exercise.  As Monty himself has said, once he's involved, his job is to confuse you.  Maybe he only plans to offer you a switch, or a large sum of money, if he knows you DON'T have the car.  Or maybe he plans to offer you those things only if you DO.

The only way the Monty Hall Problem works is if you know what the rules are from the beginning, and the rules don't change as a result of your actions.  Since Monty was always free to mix things up depending on what you did -- or what he thought you MIGHT do -- the one place the Monty Hall Problem really didn't matter was on Monty's show itself.
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Post by: Neumms on August 28, 2006, 05:03:45 PM
[quote name=\'Chuck Sutton\' post=\'129287\' date=\'Aug 27 2006, 09:07 AM\']
Just got a chance to watch the recording. I realized the "grocery" deal was "The Monty Hall problem"

She was playing for a car  valued $5100 and change.  She had 5 products and had to pick the one valued 59c.  After she picks, Monty then eliminates 3 wrong choices, leaving two choices.   He offers her the chance to "call off the deal" basically "switch" first for furniture valued $1700.  He then offers her the furniture + 300. . 500. . .1000.
[/quote]

If I remember the grocery deal, that was NOT the Monty Hall Problem. He didn't offer her a chance to switch to a different product, he offered her a chance to bail out entirely, which he almost always offers anyone in her postition. The theorum states if he exposed a bunch of the wrong groceries, doors, whatever, your odds are better if you switch to the one that isn't revealed. Monty never offered anyone this opportunity. That's why (or another reason why) Monty often says the theorum doesn't apply to him.
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 28, 2006, 05:15:27 PM
I realize it is not identical and I did use the word "bascially" a lot.  Yes there is no way he would ever offer a straight swtich in that situation.

But it is the same idea. The host manipulates revealing the choices or boxes to make it appear your odds are 50/50 when they are just as bad as ever.

Here he did not offer a switch, but he did offer $2700 to give up a 1 in 5 chance at a 5100 car.   Not an equal trade but getting awful close.   I was asking why would he offer such a sweetheart deal unless she had chosen the car.  

Matt answered to play with her head and maybe think she had the car when she didn't.
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 28, 2006, 11:54:48 PM
Incidentally, special ads for the show are on the network, plugging Finale Week.

You know, in case anyone cared.
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Post by: cweaver on August 29, 2006, 12:15:52 AM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'129551\' date=\'Aug 28 2006, 10:54 PM\']
Incidentally, special ads for the show are on the network, plugging Finale Week.

You know, in case anyone cared.
[/quote]

...with no clips from the top 6, by the way, only clips from what they've already shown.  Guess they expect to shock our pants off with Match Game and Family Feud.
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Post by: Clay Zambo on August 29, 2006, 08:13:10 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'129294\' date=\'Aug 27 2006, 11:26 AM\']
The only way the Monty Hall Problem works is if you know what the rules are from the beginning, and the rules don't change as a result of your actions.  Since Monty was always free to mix things up depending on what you did -- or what he thought you MIGHT do -- the one place the Monty Hall Problem really didn't matter was on Monty's show itself.
[/quote]

Then we really need to stop calling it that.  It only encourages him.  Maybe "The Banker's Swap-Offer Dilemma"... ;)
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Post by: Scott on August 29, 2006, 10:01:32 PM
6: Wheel of Fortune, which, surprisingly, gets skipped for...

5: Millionaire, specifically, the July 11, 2000 David Goodman episode.
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Post by: cweaver on August 29, 2006, 10:01:38 PM
And the first show to not get hosed tonight is...

Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, #5.

Wheel of Fortune weighs in at #6 with a couple of stills.
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Post by: catnap1972 on August 29, 2006, 10:03:37 PM
WHOO HOO!  Let the HOSINGs begin!

Now who wants to guess which shows at #2 and #4 will be hosed?
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 29, 2006, 10:04:08 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'129677\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:01 PM\']
And the first show to not get hosed tonight is...

Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, #5.

Wheel of Fortune weighs in at #6 with a couple of stills.
[/quote]
Wheel having nothing but stills of a former era shocks the hell out of me. Almost a joke.

Millionaire is good, but not THAT good. IMO, other than saving ABC, it hasn't established itself to be a top 10 show. Top 20 maybe, top 25 yes.

Then again, wasn't Lingo like, 19 or something?

/Freakin' Studs!
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 29, 2006, 10:05:21 PM
Quote
Now who wants to guess which shows at #2 and #4 will be hosed?

It's pretty much given from here on out.
The aired shows will be Family Feud and Match Game. Jeopardy will be #4 and Price is Right will be #2, and both will simply be mentioned.

Quote
Millionaire is good, but not THAT good. IMO, other than saving ABC, it hasn't established itself to be a top 10 show. Top 20 maybe, top 25 yes.
It certainly has for me. (It's my #2 show, to be specific.)

--Jamie
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Post by: weaklink75 on August 29, 2006, 10:06:59 PM
I am actually shocked that Wheel didn't get an ep....I would have thought they would have done an ep of Wheel and then the Carpenter win for WWTBAM...
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Post by: clemon79 on August 29, 2006, 10:08:54 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'129681\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 07:05 PM\']
The aired shows will be Family Feud and Match Game. Jeopardy will be #4 and Price is Right will be #2, and both will simply be mentioned.
[/quote]
And I'll cheerfully belly up for a double order of Gee, This Crow Tastes Terrific(tm), and admit that I apparently greatly underestimated just how utterly insanely out-of-their-minds blisteringly shark-jumpingly stupid GSN could be.
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 29, 2006, 10:11:40 PM
[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'129682\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:06 PM\']
I am actually shocked that Wheel didn't get an ep....I would have thought they would have done an ep of Wheel and then the Carpenter win for WWTBAM...
[/quote]
Would've made too much sense. :-P

I didn't even see the whole mention of Wheel, just the Chuck and Susan stills. Did they even SHOW Pat and Vanna's face. I know that's a silly question, but this is also GSN.

/Tell me they're not THAT insane.
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Post by: cacLA8383 on August 29, 2006, 10:12:59 PM
Wow, that surprised me a little that GSN didn't show an episode of Wheel and instead run the David Goodman Millionaire episode.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 29, 2006, 10:13:55 PM
[quote name=\'cacLA8383\' post=\'129686\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 07:12 PM\']
Wow, that surprised me a little that GSN didn't show an episode of Wheel and instead run a full hour of a common Millionaire episode.
[/quote]
Ya know, after all this, an announcement of the debut of The All-New $1.98 Beauty Show wouldn't surprise me out of these yahoos.
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Post by: snowpeck on August 29, 2006, 10:16:57 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'129685\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'129682\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:06 PM\']
I am actually shocked that Wheel didn't get an ep....I would have thought they would have done an ep of Wheel and then the Carpenter win for WWTBAM...
[/quote]
Would've made too much sense. :-P

I didn't even see the whole mention of Wheel, just the Chuck and Susan stills. Did they even SHOW Pat and Vanna's face. I know that's a silly question, but this is also GSN.

/Tell me they're not THAT insane.
[/quote]


They did show one or two stills of Pat and Vanna from the 80s. Well so far this week has gone exactly as I expected...

Greg
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Post by: wheelloon on August 29, 2006, 10:17:05 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129684\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:08 PM\']
And I'll cheerfully belly up for a double order of Gee, This Crow Tastes Terrific(tm), and admit that I apparently greatly underestimated just how utterly insanely out-of-their-minds stupid GSN could be.
[/quote]
Don't worry, there should be no doubt that you are in good company around these parts with that... ;)

Millionaire: Would at most be in the upper teens I'd think. Like most have said, WOF, J!, TPIR, and FF have had 20+ years to establish themselves in the U.S. Millionaire would be, at what, 8 at this point? Bah humbug...

Wheel: *must resist urge to make inappropriate remark* Though I saw it coming, it at 6 and WWTBAM at 5 still made me shake my head...
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Post by: Scott on August 29, 2006, 10:17:51 PM
[quote name=\'cacLA8383\' post=\'129686\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 09:12 PM\']
Wow, that surprised me a little that GSN didn't show an episode of Wheel and instead run the David Goodman Millionaire episode.
[/quote]

Fixed.  David Goodman was the show's 6th big winner, and second in as many weeks.  Kim Hunt won the big money 5 days before Goodman's episode.
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Post by: catnap1972 on August 29, 2006, 10:17:53 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129687\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:13 PM\']
[quote name=\'cacLA8383\' post=\'129686\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 07:12 PM\']
Wow, that surprised me a little that GSN didn't show an episode of Wheel and instead run a full hour of a common Millionaire episode.
[/quote]
Ya know, after all this, an announcement of the debut of The All-New $1.98 Beauty Show wouldn't surprise me out of these yahoos.
[/quote]

Sony is supposedly pairing it with "KLUNK--The All New Treasure Hunt" (complete with 2 boxes for the contestant to choose from)
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Post by: chad1m on August 29, 2006, 10:18:37 PM
Is it sad that I was happier watching the bottom of the list than I am the top?
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 29, 2006, 10:24:57 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'129692\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:18 PM\']
Is it sad that I was happier watching the bottom of the list than I am the top?
[/quote]Honestly, the top 25 offered some good stuff. I was very happy with TJW and a lot of the stuff in the teens, such as TTTT and Gong. Hell, the top 10 would've been excellent, had they acknowledged Wheel of Fortune for more than 30 seconds.
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Post by: FeudDude on August 29, 2006, 10:28:22 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129687\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:13 PM\']
Ya know, after all this, an announcement of the debut of The All-New $1.98 Beauty Show wouldn't surprise me out of these yahoos.
[/quote]

Actually, it's gonna be the The $6.38 Beauty Show.  They have to account for inflation, y'know. :)
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Post by: cacLA8383 on August 29, 2006, 10:28:27 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'129690\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 09:17 PM\']
[quote name=\'cacLA8383\' post=\'129686\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 09:12 PM\']
Wow, that surprised me a little that GSN didn't show an episode of Wheel and instead run the David Goodman Millionaire episode.
[/quote]

Fixed.  David Goodman was the show's 6th big winner, and second in as many weeks.  Kim Hunt won the big money 5 days before Goodman's episode.
[/quote]

Oop. I thank you sir. But still, didn't this one just get aired not too long ago again?
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 29, 2006, 10:30:23 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'129693\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:24 PM\']
[. Hell, the top 10 would've been excellent, had they acknowledged Wheel of Fortune for more than 30 seconds.
[/quote]


that works to one second for evey year Wheel has been on the air.
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Post by: Allstar87 on August 29, 2006, 10:31:41 PM
I had a bad feeling Wheel wasn't going to get aired; GSN hasn't aired it in quite a while, so I thought they wouldn't bother bringing it out. I think Jamie's right; I'll be expecting double-airings of Match Game & Feud.

Boy, this is gonna be a great week. :P
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Post by: Scott on August 29, 2006, 10:48:24 PM
Actually, I just thought of this.  GSN could've also broken out Kevin Olmstead's episode if they wanted to.  Or, do they not own that episode?
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 29, 2006, 10:55:58 PM
[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'129682\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 09:06 PM\']
I am actually shocked that Wheel didn't get an ep....I would have thought they would have done an ep of Wheel and then the Carpenter win for WWTBAM...
[/quote]
Not sure if you watched last week (or saw numerous postings about it here), but Dwyer's comments about half-hour aired shows the rest of the way (starting with PYRAMID at #8) getting double runs would've cinched that two different shows weren't going to be shown tonight or any night over the course of the rest of the countdown.

So, no reason to be shocked.

And to answer Scott's question, GSN does have Olmstead's win (I remember watching it a few months ago).

Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues
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Post by: TonicBH on August 29, 2006, 11:52:53 PM
I find it disappointing that there we no Wheel of Fortune clip, but then again... (expletive)' (show hosted by Mark DeCarlo).

This whole thing's an utter joke. That's just sad.
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Post by: Timsterino on August 30, 2006, 12:05:01 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'129680\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:04 PM\']
Millionaire is good, but not THAT good. IMO, other than saving ABC, it hasn't established itself to be a top 10 show. Top 20 maybe, top 25 yes.
[/quote]

I disagree. Sure, I am a bit biased to this show but it deserves to be in the top 5. It ranked up there on the list I sent Matt (it was #2). If ABC better maintained the show it would still be in primetime today.

FTR, Wheel ranked #8 on my list. :)

Tim :-)
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Post by: PYLW on August 30, 2006, 12:11:15 AM
Thumbs WAY down tonight. If it had been, say an epsiode that WASN'T JUST ON GSN THREE WEEKS AGO, I wouldn't be as sour on this. Just thumbs way down. Oh gee, an hour of Family Feud and Match Game. How exciting.
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on August 30, 2006, 12:24:32 AM
[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'129711\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 11:05 PM\']
I disagree. Sure, I am a bit biased to this show but it deserves to be in the top 5. It ranked up there on the list I sent Matt (it was #2). If ABC better maintained the show it would still be in primetime today.
[/quote]
That seems so, so wrong.  But, YMMV.
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Post by: comicus on August 30, 2006, 12:45:07 AM
Holy crap, that made me ill.  Guess this is the death knell for anyone hoping to see an actual TPIR episode.

Nice little game show network we had once...
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Post by: LocalH on August 30, 2006, 12:57:47 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129684\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:08 PM\']
And I'll cheerfully belly up for a double order of Gee, This Crow Tastes Terrific(tm), and admit that I apparently greatly underestimated just how utterly insanely out-of-their-minds blisteringly shark-jumpingly stupid GSN could be.
[/quote]
Conversely, I'll be more than happy to do the same if they do air Price or J!. Although it would be a pleasant surprise to see a couple of early half-hour Barker eps. At this point, I feel that Price is more likely to be aired than J!.

Of course, there is always the possibility that Price will be #2, and #1 will be either FF or MG, seeing as it will appear quite clunky to air stills-only from #1.

At least GSN is still good for archiving moderate quality copies of PYL. That's about all I use it for, anymore.
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Post by: SimpsonGeek on August 30, 2006, 01:02:22 AM
the possibility of Price or Jeopardy being shown is still alive if they decide to segue Match Game as #1 into the  hour of Match that comes directly after the countdown airs.....
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Post by: Johnissoevil on August 30, 2006, 01:29:10 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129684\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'129681\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 07:05 PM\']
The aired shows will be Family Feud and Match Game. Jeopardy will be #4 and Price is Right will be #2, and both will simply be mentioned.
[/quote]
And I'll cheerfully belly up for a double order of Gee, This Crow Tastes Terrific(tm), and admit that I apparently greatly underestimated just how utterly insanely out-of-their-minds blisteringly shark-jumpingly stupid GSN could be.
[/quote]

Need some ketchup with that?  That's what I used on my crow tonight after I found out Wheel isn't in the top 5.
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Post by: SteveRep on August 30, 2006, 02:10:45 AM
[quote name=\'SteveRep\' post=\'129084\' date=\'Aug 25 2006, 11:17 AM\']
Under that setup, and if Wheel, J and Price are the shows not to be shown, I'd expect something like:

6-Wheel
5-Millionaire

4-Jeopardy
3-Feud

2-TPiR
1-Match Game
[/quote]
One down, two to go. (But is that a good thing?)

This comes from many years of learning how the species programus stupidus thinks and comes up with a schedule that defies all common sense and logic.

The only thing this does is make me that much more eager to see the GSF list.
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 30, 2006, 03:29:15 AM
The final week is off...to a standing start with a slight mention of Wheel of Fortune at #6.  Of course, I was prepared for that by checking out Jamie's WoF marathon yesterday so I wasn't worried about that.

As for #5 Millionaire, it's one of those ho-hum episodes for me even though it was the David Goodwim episode.  I switched over to something else after a few minutes.

And then there're 4 left.  The only question is which show will get the double treatment(either FF most likely or MG) next.  After that, we'll see what the GSF's list looks like & how it compares.
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Post by: Don Howard on August 30, 2006, 09:13:48 AM
Something's very wrong when a six-week countdown spectacular finishes with a resounding thud.
Again, I ask: Why did they even bother?
Stills of WOF for heaven's sake. Lame as lame gets.
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Post by: Joe Mello on August 30, 2006, 09:33:09 AM
[quote name=\'SimpsonGeek\' post=\'129721\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 01:02 AM\']
the possibility of Price or Jeopardy being shown is still alive if they decide to segue Match Game as #1 into the  hour of Match that comes directly after the countdown airs.....[/quote]
That would be an entirely pro move, but that just increases the unlikelihood of it actually happening.
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Post by: aaron sica on August 30, 2006, 11:26:57 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129684\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:08 PM\']
And I'll cheerfully belly up for a double order of Gee, This Crow Tastes Terrific(tm), and admit that I apparently greatly underestimated just how utterly insanely out-of-their-minds blisteringly shark-jumpingly stupid GSN could be.
[/quote]

Waiter? I'll have what he's having.

Not in a MILLION years would I have imagined that they would have skipped showing an episode of Wheel.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 30, 2006, 11:34:46 AM
[quote name=\'SimpsonGeek\' post=\'129721\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 12:02 AM\']
the possibility of Price or Jeopardy being shown is still alive if they decide to segue Match Game as #1 into the  hour of Match that comes directly after the countdown airs.....
[/quote]
What hour of Match?  MG75 only airs for half an hour, followed by this remake of a classic 50's show involving secrets.

IOW, expect 90 straight minutes of MG either tonight or tomorrow (my guess--tomorrow).

Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 30, 2006, 11:37:20 AM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'129752\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 10:26 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129684\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 10:08 PM\']
And I'll cheerfully belly up for a double order of Gee, This Crow Tastes Terrific(tm), and admit that I apparently greatly underestimated just how utterly insanely out-of-their-minds blisteringly shark-jumpingly stupid GSN could be.
[/quote]

Waiter? I'll have what he's having.

Not in a MILLION years would I have imagined that they would have skipped showing an episode of Wheel.
[/quote]
Tritto.  Of course, after hearing about Dwyer's comments, it was a slam dunk.

Count me among the "the middle of the countdown was much better than the end or the beginning" crowd.

/Is there a prize for the person who creates the first 1000th post of a thread?

Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues
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Post by: aaron sica on August 30, 2006, 11:57:15 AM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'129757\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 11:37 AM\']
Count me among the "the middle of the countdown was much better than the end or the beginning" crowd.

/Is there a prize for the person who creates the first 1000th post of a thread?

Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues
[/quote]

And tritto to you, sir, (or maybe quadro or quinto?) as far as the middle being better than the end. Since the end will be "shows that we air multiple times every day, here's a special showing in prime time and in addition to the 11pm showing of one".

/Prize for the 1000th post is the stills used for TPiR
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Post by: rialtus on August 30, 2006, 12:15:14 PM
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'129717\' date=\'Aug 29 2006, 11:45 PM\']Nice little game show network we had once...[/quote]Yeah, those were the days of Super Decades... </sarcasm>
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Post by: Chuck Sutton on August 30, 2006, 12:22:53 PM
Since Bill mentioned Chuck hosted Wheel and GSN counted Love Connection as a game show, Bill eariler mention that Chuck hosted four shows on the countdown, just means GSN can't count to five.(or six)
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Post by: irismason42 on August 30, 2006, 12:28:56 PM
GSN has 4 Chuck Woolery-hosted shows: The Brand New Dating Game, Love Connection, Lingo and Greed, Scrabble wasn't one of the 4 Woolery-hosted shows that GSN aired/airing.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on August 30, 2006, 12:43:50 PM
[quote name=\'irismason42\' post=\'129766\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 11:28 AM\']
GSN has 4 Chuck Woolery-hosted shows: The Brand New Dating Game, Love Connection, Lingo and Greed, Scrabble wasn't one of the 4 Woolery-hosted shows that GSN aired/airing.
[/quote]

(Bolded for emphasis)

And you know, that last part...honestly....made sense and explains quite a bit.. (I'm as floored as anyone).    Well, if anything, it's proof of the type of logic (or extreme lack thereof) GSN used for this.
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Post by: davemackey on August 30, 2006, 01:46:13 PM
I'm of the mind that it's contractual stuff with CBS/King World that is going to keep Jeopardy! off tonight's viewing option, and the same deal with Price tomorrow night.

With Wheel (last night), GSN just doesn't care about that show any more, in spite of the fact that it's still popular with viewers after almost 32 years on the air. I'm thinking that GSN might actually not have the rights to it any more.

So let the speculation end: we pretty much already know that tonight you're going to see an hour of Family Feud and tomorrow night, an hour of Match Game, because GSN does already have them in rotation.

Of course, were this a Playmania survey, "StarFace" would have been somewhere in the top 5...

(ducking)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: irismason42 on August 30, 2006, 02:10:51 PM
The countdown only said double-doses were just for last week, this week is just a single dose because of Millionaire being a full hour episode last night and Family Feud All Stars episode could be airing tonight and I'm thinking that Jeopardy! may still get one episode airing tomorrow but remember, GSN still has the rights to WOF and not TPIR since WOF is a Sony show and will still make it to Feast of Favorites this year so don't this show out when it comes to FOF
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on August 30, 2006, 02:36:40 PM
What he said.

/what the hell did he say?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: chad1m on August 30, 2006, 02:47:16 PM
Something about food, stars and doses. Maybe he was talking about Promises?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: GS Warehouse on August 30, 2006, 02:52:29 PM
[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'129771\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 01:46 PM\']Of course, were this a Playmania survey, "StarFace" would have been somewhere in the top 5...[/quote]
Actually, Starface is the most popular game show of all time...only among shows whose promos used the word "whosamasquash".  [more ducking]

/I never married Whosamasquash either
//only 8 more to go, folks!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: wheelloon on August 30, 2006, 03:00:24 PM
One question. Has anybody considered the possibility of GSN actually making FF their number 1? Maybe it's a bit of a long shot, trying to bring logic into a non-logic area, but given the fact the show hasn't been off the air more than a handful of years at a time in its 30 year history, along with the fact that, unlike 44 of their other *cough* TOP 50, it's in the middle of a current run...
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 30, 2006, 03:12:21 PM
[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'129784\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 02:00 PM\']
One question. Has anybody considered the possibility of GSN actually making FF their number 1? Maybe it's a bit of a long shot, trying to bring logic into a non-logic area, but given the fact the show hasn't been off the air more than a handful of years at a time in its 30 year history, along with the fact that, unlike 44 of their other *cough* TOP 50, it's in the middle of a current run...
[/quote]
Certainly plausible.  Isn't MG GSN's biggest ratings booster, though?  That's why I've thought MG would've finished ahead of FF.  But that's not a bad call.

And aside to Jason W., you're permanently ineligible for the stills for even bringing up the STARFACE promo.  :)

Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues (and for that matter, the countdown in this thread to 1000 also continues)
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Post by: Allstar87 on August 30, 2006, 04:09:21 PM
[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'129771\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 01:46 PM\']
With Wheel (last night), GSN just doesn't care about that show any more, in spite of the fact that it's still popular with viewers after almost 32 years on the air. I'm thinking that GSN might actually not have the rights to it any more.
[/quote]

I'm beginning to think they don't have the rights to WOF as well. Even if all they could air was the 1988-1989 season we've seen 8,274 times, they still could've picked something to run last night. The season premiere. The season finale. The two weeks at Radio City. The Christmas episode. The idiot who couldn't solve "CANADIAN --RDER" in the bonus.

Maybe I'm wrong, because Beat The Clock got glossed over too. But it would sure explain why WOF hasn't been on the network for well over a year now.
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Post by: itiparanoid13 on August 30, 2006, 04:25:06 PM
Quote
Isn't MG GSN's biggest ratings booster, though?

Feud is GSN's top rated old show, getting somewhere between a .3 and .4 usually.  Match Game is at .2 just about always.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 30, 2006, 04:28:38 PM
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'129800\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 03:25 PM\']
Quote
Isn't MG GSN's biggest ratings booster, though?

Feud is GSN's top rated old show, getting somewhere between a .3 and .4 usually.  Match Game is at .2 just about always.
[/quote]
Then Wheelloon's theory holds a lot more water.  We'll see tonight.

Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues (and just three to go to 1000 here)
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Post by: Scott on August 30, 2006, 10:02:52 PM
And, as widely predicted, Price gets only the brief mention.

3 is Feud, and it appears we're starting with an early Dawson ep.
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Post by: Timsterino on August 30, 2006, 10:03:24 PM
I do not know what to say. :( The Price is Right is #4 - now that is a crime, it only gets the passing mention.

Family Feud is #3 and we get a double shot. I guess we know what #2 and #1 is now.
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Post by: Allstar87 on August 30, 2006, 10:04:42 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'129829\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 10:02 PM\']
And, as widely predicted, Price gets only the brief mention.

3 is Feud, and it appears we're starting with an early Dawson ep.
[/quote]

And it looks to be the one where the question in Fast Money is "Name the time you get up", and the guy answers "morning".
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Post by: Timsterino on August 30, 2006, 10:05:46 PM
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'129831\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 10:04 PM\']
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'129829\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 10:02 PM\']
And, as widely predicted, Price gets only the brief mention.

3 is Feud, and it appears we're starting with an early Dawson ep.
[/quote]

And it looks to be the one where the question in Fast Money is "Name the time you get up", and the guy answers "morning".
[/quote]


Oh yippie.
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Post by: Scott on August 30, 2006, 10:07:35 PM
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'129831\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 09:04 PM\']
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'129829\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 10:02 PM\']
And, as widely predicted, Price gets only the brief mention.

3 is Feud, and it appears we're starting with an early Dawson ep.
[/quote]

And it looks to be the one where the question in Fast Money is "Name the time you get up", and the guy answers "morning".
[/quote]

And, he follows that up by saying "night" for "Name the time you go to bed".
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Don Howard on August 30, 2006, 10:08:51 PM
GSN: Got Some Nerve
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Post by: chad1m on August 30, 2006, 10:09:06 PM
::sigh:: I knew we weren't going to get a Price episode, but at least an early Dawson episode is good. Does anyone know what number episode this is (or at least which week)? Is it the first one?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Timsterino on August 30, 2006, 10:10:17 PM
I might have missed it but when Dwyer talked about The Price is Right, Bill Cullen wasn't even mentioned.
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Post by: chad1m on August 30, 2006, 10:11:46 PM
Nope, no mention at all. And, also, this episode features the "Name something that come in pairs" question with the lovebirds/bananas/children. I wonder what "Night Bedtime Teabagger" Fred Baedeker is up to these days.
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Post by: tpirfan28 on August 30, 2006, 10:14:17 PM
Post #1007 of the thread:

GSN: Gone Sinking Now.

If Match Game is #1...wow.  And it's not as well-known as TPiR.  Wow.
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Post by: cweaver on August 30, 2006, 10:21:56 PM
Wow.  Ouch.  A network that calls itself "the Network for Games" and counted off the "50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time," and showed us some rarities like last week's double shot of Let's Make a Deal, can't even get one ep each of Wheel of Fortune or The Price is Right?  Yikes, that's just embarrassing.  I don't know if I would show my face if I were involved with something like that.  No wonder they didn't show any clips of this week's shows in their promos, they knew it would make them an even bigger laughingstock.

Of course, we should give them some credit and fairness at least.  So far they haven't yet done anything embarrassingly, droolingly, butt-scratchingly, walking-into-the-wall brain-damaged stupid like...I don't know...come back the next night and not show Jeopardy!?
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Post by: clemon79 on August 30, 2006, 10:25:56 PM
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'129829\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 07:02 PM\']
And, as widely predicted, Price gets only the brief mention.
[/quote]
So here's my question: did they even MENTION why they weren't running an episode? Even offhandedly? Hintingly? Jokingly?

I mean, I stopped taking GSN seriously about this about a month ago ('cuz, you know...ah, nevermind), and maybe I'm giving the channel more credit than they give themselves, but this might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen a television channel do. And I saw Seaquest D.S.V..
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Post by: cweaver on August 30, 2006, 10:28:01 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129842\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 09:25 PM\']
So here's my question: did they even MENTION why they weren't running an episode? Even offhandedly? Hintingly? Jokingly?
[/quote]

Nope, just praised Bob Barker's "star power" and made a state secret out of the Bill Cullen version.
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Post by: Timsterino on August 30, 2006, 10:28:08 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'129842\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 10:25 PM\']
[quote name=\'Scott\' post=\'129829\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 07:02 PM\']
And, as widely predicted, Price gets only the brief mention.
[/quote]
So here's my question: did they even MENTION why they weren't running an episode? Even offhandedly? Hintingly? Jokingly?[/quote]

Nope. No mention why it wasn't shown. Also, the mention about Price itself was brief and very unworthy.
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Post by: cweaver on August 30, 2006, 10:32:07 PM
"Name something you put in tea."
"A tea bag."

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, the producer of GSN's 50 Greatest Game Shows of All Time.

Edit: is it my imagination or is show #2 tonight one of those time-compressed, speeded-up shows I keep hearing about?  Everyone is jumping up and down in a near blur and even the answers seem to be flipping over faster than usual.  I'm expecting Charlie Chaplin to show up for a cameo.
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Post by: Timsterino on August 30, 2006, 10:35:59 PM
Adding insult to injury the 2nd Feud episode is on speed. Wow.
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Post by: LocalH on August 30, 2006, 10:36:52 PM
This all means that MG will probably be #1, as it would be quite tacky to have an unaired #1.
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Post by: catnap1972 on August 30, 2006, 10:38:42 PM
[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'129848\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 10:35 PM\']
Adding insult to injury the 2nd Feud episode is on speed. Wow.
[/quote]

Gotta squeeze in those 20 minutes of "I'm in a size two--TEE HEE HEE" commercials
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Post by: clemon79 on August 30, 2006, 10:38:45 PM
[quote name=\'LocalH\' post=\'129849\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 07:36 PM\']
This all means that MG will probably be #1, as it would be quite tacky to have an unaired #1.
[/quote]
<splort>

Dammit! Two keyboards in a week!

/little late for tacky at this point
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Post by: Timsterino on August 30, 2006, 10:39:07 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'129845\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 10:32 PM\']
Edit: is it my imagination or is show #2 tonight one of those time-compressed, speeded-up shows I keep hearing about?  Everyone is jumping up and down in a near blur and even the answers seem to be flipping over faster than usual.  I'm expecting Charlie Chaplin to show up for a cameo.
[/quote]

Nope, not your imagination. It is just annoying to watch. I changed the channel.
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Post by: wheelloon on August 30, 2006, 10:39:50 PM
This whole week has given me a pain in my sides, and it's not even over yet (and I just turned 20, I don't know which I should be more worried about). Well, throw out my attempt at bringing logic to this list with my Feud at number 1 idea...

Who was smoking that wonderful wacky weed when they were "not" thinking about this list? >:(
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Post by: Scott on August 30, 2006, 10:44:18 PM
The first episode was good for laughs, but there are better choices for ep #2.  The September Incident and the famous solo-Fast Money win from the Combs era are just two that come to my mind.

So, the penultimate night of the countdown gets a mild thumbs up, and now that we know the top 2, I can safely give the countdown as a whole a thumbs in the middle, leaning towards up for some nice surprises in the beginning of the list.
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 30, 2006, 10:47:05 PM
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'129845\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 10:32 PM\']
Edit: is it my imagination or is show #2 tonight one of those time-compressed, speeded-up shows I keep hearing about?  Everyone is jumping up and down in a near blur and even the answers seem to be flipping over faster than usual.  I'm expecting Charlie Chaplin to show up for a cameo.
[/quote]
Indeed. They do it all the time during the morning run. The banjo intro music is usually on warp-speed.

This list finds more and more ways to be nothing more than a joke.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: chad1m on August 30, 2006, 10:54:15 PM
An invention that has replaced stairs: "The wheel."
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Post by: chad1m on August 30, 2006, 11:00:22 PM
Bil: "Did we miss your favorite show?"

That's quite the understatement.
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Post by: Blanquepage on August 30, 2006, 11:00:55 PM
Quote
This list finds more and more ways to be nothing more than a joke.

Almost every time there's been a viewer's choice marathon, Match Game has been #1. It was pretty much a given that GSN would stick with that tradition.

There's always the Thanksgiving marathon...

--Jamie
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Post by: mbc793 on August 30, 2006, 11:04:47 PM
I hate to admit this, but I have to agree. It seems like the most viewers' choice marathon had Match Game at the top. I, too, would not even be surprised that Match Game would be at the top. On the other hand, I really thought that TPJR would be #1. Boy am I wrong as always.
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Post by: Johnissoevil on August 30, 2006, 11:47:23 PM
TPIR not getting aired was to be expected.  Even for a one time only airing, if GSN had aired the show, Moonves would've been down there on the Sony lot throwing a tantrum...
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Post by: mbc793 on August 31, 2006, 12:13:57 AM
Yeah he would have thrown a very big tantrum. Is it possible for him to sue? I'm just asking, I'm not suggesting but yeah it didn't surprise me to see they didn't air it.. you are right.
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Post by: RayCombs-fan on August 31, 2006, 12:17:11 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'129857\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 10:47 PM\']
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'129845\' date=\'Aug 30 2006, 10:32 PM\']
Edit: is it my imagination or is show #2 tonight one of those time-compressed, speeded-up shows I keep hearing about?  Everyone is jumping up and down in a near blur and even the answers seem to be flipping over faster than usual.  I'm expecting Charlie Chaplin to show up for a cameo.
[/quote]
Indeed. They do it all the time during the morning run. The banjo intro music is usually on warp-speed.

This list finds more and more ways to be nothing more than a joke.
[/quote]
I guess they only do that do them for later Dawson episodes; I don't think the Syndie Dawson and Combs eps do speed-ups, I don't know if Game Show Network's airing of the CBS episodes had speed-ups.
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Post by: PYLW on August 31, 2006, 01:08:40 AM
Thumbs in the middle, because I really enjoyed the first epsiode of the hour of Feud that we got. And of course, the second epsiode is a lame sped-up epsiode that GSN aired literally a few months ago. Do they put ANY thought in  these things? And don't get even me started on TPiR...
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on August 31, 2006, 03:39:06 AM
So, here we are.  Very close to the end & there was still a possibility of maybe a TPIR airing, but what's this at #4?  Why it's TPIR!  And as usual, a passing mention without even a word about the original host Bill Cullen.  Thanks a lot GSN!

Now, on to #3 Family Feud.  My guess was this was a 1976 epiaode because the pacing was rather nodest to start & Richard Dawson nearly forgeting about the no adding money on a steal answer on the first double question(he got excited so he says).  The Fast Money round was certainly a rib tickler at that.

As for the 2nd episode, ACK!  Did thay have to have that thing speeded up like that?  Not onky that, there were no lolipops there at the end of the family podia or even a Ray Combs episode to show us.  At least we saw a Fast Money win.  Overall, this one's a sideways thumb here.

And then, there were 2.  At this point, I'll give this countdown a mere 7.1 unless I see something good out of #1.  The best was LMAD at #7, the worst, DED at #34 or wherever it was.
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Post by: davemackey on August 31, 2006, 07:15:21 AM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'129902\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 03:39 AM\']
Now, on to #3 Family Feud.  My guess was this was a 1976 epiaode because the pacing was rather nodest to start & Richard Dawson nearly forgeting about the no adding money on a steal answer on the first double question(he got excited so he says).  The Fast Money round was certainly a rib tickler at that.
[/quote]
That was within the first couple of weeks of the show. The tipoff, besides the more stilted presentation, was (believe it or not) the painted microphones. Early in the run, the contestant mics were painted brown and the two podium mics were blue.
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 31, 2006, 07:41:29 AM
[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'129904\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 07:15 AM\']
That was within the first couple of weeks of the show. The tipoff, besides the more stilted presentation, was (believe it or not) the painted microphones. Early in the run, the contestant mics were painted brown and the two podium mics were blue.
[/quote]
How long were those plungers (which seem to have been reincarnated for O'Hurley) used?
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Post by: NickintheATL on August 31, 2006, 08:46:41 AM
A check of some info reveals that this was Episode #20, aired 8/6/76. I don't know if they let that guy play Fast Money again, but next show they did win $5,000 again. :-P
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Post by: aaron sica on August 31, 2006, 10:34:15 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'129907\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 07:41 AM\']
[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'129904\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 07:15 AM\']
That was within the first couple of weeks of the show. The tipoff, besides the more stilted presentation, was (believe it or not) the painted microphones. Early in the run, the contestant mics were painted brown and the two podium mics were blue.
[/quote]
How long were those plungers (which seem to have been reincarnated for O'Hurley) used?
[/quote]

They seem to have been used until sometime in '77; I remember the first one or two of the syndicated episodes having them, until they went to the more familiar round ones used for the rest of the run.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 31, 2006, 10:41:46 AM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'129933\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 09:34 AM\']
They seem to have been used until sometime in '77; I remember the first one or two of the syndicated episodes having them, until they went to the more familiar round ones used for the rest of the run.
[/quote]
I wonder if that corresponds with the time they moved from the Vine Street Theatre to ABC TV Center.

Doug -- and the countdown to 2200 continues
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Post by: uncamark on August 31, 2006, 12:56:49 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'129935\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 09:41 AM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'129933\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 09:34 AM\']
They seem to have been used until sometime in '77; I remember the first one or two of the syndicated episodes having them, until they went to the more familiar round ones used for the rest of the run.
[/quote]
I wonder if that corresponds with the time they moved from the Vine Street Theatre to ABC TV Center.[/quote]

They moved from Vine Street long before the lockout button changes--I believe it corresponds to when Alter started doing the insert shot of the second contestant on the right half of the Fast Money board during that play.  It started sometime within the second or third month.

And if this is episode number 20, I guess they were bringing out a new family and leaving them high and dry for longer than the first week.  (I wonder if they ever thought of having Dawson say "We'll chat tomorrow, but now let's play the Feud!" and going on to a question--or was the first question always 6+ answers?)

And despite all that you could say about this travesty, please remember that the average viewer is not recording every minute of GSN every day and doesn't know that a certain show last aired only a few weeks ago.  If you keep in mind that the hardcores like us are a small minority of the audience, you'll be much saner.

Oh yes,--Les would be throwing a fit in Santa Monica, near Fremantle's offices.  GSN's offices haven't been in Culver City for years.
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Post by: JasonA1 on August 31, 2006, 01:56:20 PM
Quote
I wonder if they ever thought of having Dawson say "We'll chat tomorrow, but now let's play the Feud!"

The fact they didn't do this and just play is why I disagree with Matt and believe "Feud" was never meant to straddle.

-Jason
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Post by: SteveRep on August 31, 2006, 02:56:39 PM
Somehow, GSN comes up with a way to commit a crime more heinous than Dawson's tablecloth shirt/tie combo in the first episode.

The reality of it all screamed that there wasn't going to be a Price episode shown. You could spot that one from Poughkeepsie.

BUT NUMBER FOUR? That's nothing more than GSN throwing a hissy fit over losing the rights (and probably the bigger picture of their issues with Fremantle).

So now we get a top three, all of which are shown on the channel.
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Post by: catnap1972 on August 31, 2006, 10:01:35 PM
And for the final night, #2 is Jeopardy which gets the clip treatment (at least Art Fleming got a mention), and #1 is, as figured, Match Game.

First episode of the night, a 1978 episode with the old set but with the Star Wheel.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 31, 2006, 10:05:27 PM
[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'130016\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 07:01 PM\']
And for the final night, #2 is Jeopardy which gets the clip treatment (at least Art Fleming got a mention), and #1 is, as figured, Match Game.

First episode of the night, a 1978 episode with the old set but with the Star Wheel.
[/quote]
Magical. Just freakin' magical. Taking nothing away from Match Game, but I'd love to know (other than the completely inexcusable excuse of "we own the rights") where they figure that a show that was resurrected and canned three times ranks higher than a show that debuted the same day and NEVER WENT OFF THE AIR.
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Post by: Don Howard on August 31, 2006, 10:08:23 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'130017\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 10:05 PM\']
Magical. Just freakin' magical. Taking nothing away from Match Game, but I'd love to know (other than the completely inexcusable excuse of "we own the rights") where they figure that a show that was resurrected and canned three times ranks higher than a show that debuted the same day and NEVER WENT OFF THE AIR.
[/quote]
It wasn't even the same day. It was ten months before that when TPiR started, making this insipid Fifty Fest absurdity complete.
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Post by: chad1m on August 31, 2006, 10:11:44 PM
Lord. And if they're going to give us Match Game, can't they at least have A DAMNED LIVELY CONTESTANT?

This episode so far is showing exactly what MG wasn't.
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Post by: Patrick S on August 31, 2006, 10:30:59 PM
Poor Bill Dwyer.  I feel bad for him having to endorse this absolutely ridiculous list.
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Post by: catnap1972 on August 31, 2006, 10:31:22 PM
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'130019\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 10:11 PM\']
Lord. And if they're going to give us Match Game, can't they at least have A DAMNED LIVELY CONTESTANT?

This episode so far is showing exactly what MG wasn't.
[/quote]

Only significance was it was the last show on the old set.

2nd episode is School Riot from 1977
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Post by: chad1m on August 31, 2006, 10:33:10 PM
[quote name=\'The Great EZE\' post=\'129985\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 05:17 PM\']
2nd episode is School Riot from 1977
[/quote]

I've never seen the episode in its entirety, so at least this is good.
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Post by: FOXSportsFan on August 31, 2006, 11:32:43 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'130017\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 10:05 PM\']
[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'130016\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 07:01 PM\']
And for the final night, #2 is Jeopardy which gets the clip treatment (at least Art Fleming got a mention), and #1 is, as figured, Match Game.

First episode of the night, a 1978 episode with the old set but with the Star Wheel.
[/quote]
Magical. Just freakin' magical. Taking nothing away from Match Game, but I'd love to know (other than the completely inexcusable excuse of "we own the rights") where they figure that a show that was resurrected and canned three times ranks higher than a show that debuted the same day and NEVER WENT OFF THE AIR.
[/quote]

Chris, you didn't see this coming?!?  Wow.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 31, 2006, 11:43:54 PM
[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' post=\'130025\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 08:32 PM\']
Chris, you didn't see this coming?!?  Wow.
[/quote]
Match Game over, like, Jeopardy? I mean, sure, I realize this whole thing is a joke, but MATCH GAME? That's moving out of the realm of "joke" and firmly into "insult".
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Post by: FOXSportsFan on September 01, 2006, 12:01:42 AM
It's GSN, Chris.  I mean I stopped giving a damn at about number 30 something.  That said, yes it's an insult.  When I mentioned to my loving girlfriend she sent me no less than 10 text messages ranting about how unfair it was.
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Post by: Tim L on September 01, 2006, 12:42:39 AM
[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' post=\'130027\' date=\'Sep 1 2006, 12:01 AM\']
It's GSN, Chris.  I mean I stopped giving a damn at about number 30 something.  That said, yes it's an insult.  When I mentioned to my loving girlfriend she sent me no less than 10 text messages ranting about how unfair it was.
[/quote]


The whole thing reeked of unprofessionalism..There is no way GSN couldnt have licensed ONE EPISODE of Wheel, Jeopardy or TPIR.  I mean, we can disagree with the countdown (and indeed we have)..But having one episode of every show in your countdown just makes sense..I generally dont let GSN stuff bother me anymore because well..thats GSN..but this really irritates me..
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Post by: cweaver on September 01, 2006, 12:51:53 AM
[quote name=\'Tim L\' post=\'130030\' date=\'Aug 31 2006, 11:42 PM\']
The whole thing reeked of unprofessionalism..There is no way GSN couldnt have licensed ONE EPISODE of Wheel, Jeopardy or TPIR.  I mean, we can disagree with the countdown (and indeed we have)..But having one episode of every show in your countdown just makes sense..I generally dont let GSN stuff bother me anymore because well..thats GSN..but this really irritates me..
[/quote]

GSN still runs J! and ran it this very morning.  I know there's probably some issue with not running it because when the 50 Greatest show runs, some stations on the West Coast are still running J!.  But it seems to me they could've gotten around it.  First, first-run J! is in summer reruns itself, and secondly since GSN obviously has access to the vault, a one-time showing of Alex's first show from '84 or the 2000th ep of Art Fleming's version (GSN ran that one once) surely wouldn't violate the spirit of any agreement which both sides could've negotiated this once.  But I'm guessing GSN wasn't all that interested for whatever reason.  I mean who actually wants something to suck?
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Post by: mbc793 on September 01, 2006, 01:28:38 AM
I happen to agree, I mean surely they can air something from the early years of Trebek's verison or Art Flemings version. But only GSN knows why they decided not to air an episode of Jeopardy! I mean can it get any lower than that?
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on September 01, 2006, 03:26:09 AM
This is it!  The final 2 shows on what was a pathetic list, so here it goes.  Starting at #2 is J! This is the last of the "slight mentions" before the big kahuna!

With Match Game being the #1 show, I'd figure they'll throw me a couple bones.  The first episode was from 1978 featuring that Star Wheel.  I decided to leave that one & wait a half-hour before the next one.

Sure enough, we got the School Riot episode which oddly enough I haven'r seen in full untill now.  Now I understand why GSN put it there where it did on the list.  It made us look silly & were merely toying with us all the way.

Well, now the list is finally over.  After a 7-week torture fest, I realized there were better shows they could've put up there.  The only thing left to ponder now is will my alligance to GSN remains alive.  Quite frankly, I've lost it when it rebranded itself a few years ago.  I'll simply watch less GSN over the next few months unrill GSN is no more.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on September 01, 2006, 03:35:00 AM
When I first heard about this project, I thought they might just show clips of every show, which might have been a better idea.  Bil couldn't have been in the studio for more than a couple hours total, did he even change clothes?
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Post by: PYLW on September 01, 2006, 03:57:13 AM
Thumbs up tonight, though it was false advertising (The first ep was NOT the first Star Wheel epsiode...didn't Bil say it was, correct me if I'm wrong?). The School Riot was also great to watch. Thumbs up on this whole thing. I got to see things I've never seen before!
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Post by: TonicBH on September 01, 2006, 07:20:28 AM
While this list had some gems, it had too many clunkers, and the last three shows was just a disgrace to the fans of Wheel, Price and Jeopardy!.

Another reason why I hate "Top x anything". And why GSN is gonna be having egg on their face.
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Post by: cweaver on September 01, 2006, 09:02:42 AM
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'130043\' date=\'Sep 1 2006, 02:26 AM\']
Sure enough, we got the School Riot episode which oddly enough I haven'r seen in full untill now.  Now I understand why GSN put it there where it did on the list.  It made us look silly & were merely toying with us all the way.
[/quote]

That almost makes up for this entire week, I've tried forever to catch that one when it came up in GSN's cycle.  I've only seen it one other time in my life...and that's when it first ran, when I was 13.
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Post by: uncamark on September 01, 2006, 01:34:46 PM
And our long national nightmare is over.

As stated before, I couldn't complain about the goofiness of the selections because I knew that coming in because of the nature of the beast.

However, if you were going to do this sort of thing, you should've done it right by either making an effort to get one-shot deals on shows or doing a clipfest-with-snarky-comments show that VH1 and E! are able to do at the drop of a hat.  Not that there weren't entertaining moments throughout the six weeks.  But if this is going to be your big prime time horse in conjunction with the two new series in cable's biggest season of the year, you better do it the way it should be done.

And I hope that the Nielsen numbers bear me out.
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Post by: clemon79 on September 01, 2006, 01:42:00 PM
My fear is that the numbers won't, and here's why:

Consider the GSN boards. I'm really starting to think these people think those users are representative of their viewership. We have chumps here who SHOULD be over on the GSN boards instead who are saying "yeah it was great because now I have three more episodes of something obscure to add to my collection of six-thousand episodes of WOF could someone please post more Pyramid clips this is the best message room kthxbye" who were apparently both hunky and dory with it.

So if the majority of the GSN viewing audience is truly as stupid as I'm starting to think they might be (and let's remember that the collective of clueful folks here amount to an ingrown hair IN the pimple ON the ass that is that group), then I'm suspecting we'll find out that they lapped it up and came back for seconds.
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Post by: LocalH on September 01, 2006, 02:58:05 PM
It's the same thing that happened to G4/TechTV after the merger. They've started skewing to what I can only refer to as the "idiot" demographic, and in the process managed to piss off the true fans. It sucks, too, because we all know how great GSN used to be (you know, back when they didn't actually call themselves "GSN" on-air).

In other words, you're 100% correct, Chris. The idiots drank it up as if it was a fine wine, except it was actually the diarrhea of GSN executives. Sort of like people who drink American Budweiser and think it's really the "King of Beers".
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Post by: rebelwrest on September 01, 2006, 04:03:04 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'130075\' date=\'Sep 1 2006, 01:42 PM\']
So if the majority of the GSN viewing audience is truly as stupid as I'm starting to think they might be (and let's remember that the collective of clueful folks here amount to an ingrown hair IN the pimple ON the ass that is that group), then I'm suspecting we'll find out that they lapped it up and came back for seconds.
[/quote]

I'm guessing this may be a shock to the heads a GSN when the head story in today's Life section of USA Today starts with the line "Clearly, somebody in TV thinks we're getting smarter."
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Post by: DrBear on September 01, 2006, 04:41:58 PM
[quote name=\'LocalH\' post=\'130090\' date=\'Sep 1 2006, 01:58 PM\']
The idiots drank it up as if it was a fine wine, except it was actually the diarrhea of GSN executives. [/quote]

Worst. Simile. Ever.
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Post by: TLEberle on September 02, 2006, 02:56:40 AM
[quote name=\'LocalH\' post=\'130090\' date=\'Sep 1 2006, 11:58 AM\']The idiots drank it up as if it was a fine wine, except it was actually the diarrhea of GSN executives.[/quote]

[quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'130101\' date=\'Sep 1 2006, 01:41 PM\']Worst. Simile. Ever.
[/quote]Sorry, Ray, the correct answer was "Man, I've seen some crappy similes before, but this one takes the cake."
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Post by: J.R. on September 02, 2006, 04:55:10 AM
For no reason at all, I decided not to watch the "GSN 50 Greatest Game Shows" thing. It sounds like I saved myself from a lot of stress.

-Joe R.
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on September 02, 2006, 05:26:57 AM
[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'130142\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 03:55 AM\']
For no reason at all, I decided not to watch the "GSN 50 Greatest Game Shows" thing. It sounds like I saved myself from a lot of stress.

-Joe R.
[/quote]
Well, if you stress over the broadcast decisions of GSN, then yes.  But if that's so, that's a shame.
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Post by: J.R. on September 02, 2006, 06:52:32 AM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'130143\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 04:26 AM\']
Well, if you stress over the broadcast decisions of GSN, then yes.  But if that's so, that's a shame.
[/quote]

I don't (I really don't care what GSN airs anymore. If I don't like what's on, I change the channel.), but judging by all the complaints on this thread about the show, it appears people got pretty upset and stressed over the choices and how they were handled.

-Joe R.
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Post by: BrandonFG on September 02, 2006, 09:08:18 AM
[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'130146\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 06:52 AM\']
I don't (I really don't care what GSN airs anymore. If I don't like what's on, I change the channel.), but judging by all the complaints on this thread about the show, it appears people got pretty upset and stressed over the choices and how they were handled.
[/quote]
I must admit I am upset, but more because someone at GSN really thinks that this list should be taken as gospel, and that some of these shows can actually claim themselves as "One of GSN's Top 50 Greatest". Plain and simple, Studs had absolutely no place on that list, and neither did Shop Til You Drop.

The way they handled the Top 6 was an absolute joke, esp. when they should have rights to two of the shows mentioned. You mention the Top 6 over three nights, and instead of showing six half-hour shows, you do a piddly mention, then show an hour-long episode, or two episodes. Not to sound like a fanb0i, but that's a piss-poor, halfass way of handling a "Best Of" countdown, especially when shows in the teens and twenties got separate half-hours (the hour that had Win Lose or Draw and TJW).

Sad thing is, GSN folks are probably patting themselves on the back over this shite-minus-the-e.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on September 02, 2006, 12:14:02 PM
[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'130146\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 06:52 AM\']I don't (I really don't care what GSN airs anymore. If I don't like what's on, I change the channel.), but judging by all the complaints on this thread about the show, it appears people got pretty upset and stressed over the choices and how they were handled. [/quote]
Yes, some people did.  And that's Brandon's point.  If you are the sort of person who's going to get stressed out over what a piddling little cable company chooses to do with its programming, then you were wise to skip this.  Brandon's point (with which I agree) is that it's possible to marvel at the stupidity of some of the choices, both on the items in the list and how the list was handled at the anticlimactic top, without having your blood pressure literally affected.

[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'130149\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 09:08 AM\']I must admit I am upset, but more because someone at GSN really thinks that this list should be taken as gospel, [/quote]
I have a hard time believing anybody at GSN considers this "gospel." I believe GSN considers this "a way to program some summer hours inexpensively and get people talking about us."  My guess is that yes, GSN considers their little stunt quite successful.
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Post by: mbc793 on September 02, 2006, 12:37:57 PM
Well if that's the case, I like to see what's going to happen over the fall time. I have to agree that this little stunt was successful and I wouldn't be surprised if they do something like this again in the future. I had trouble accepting it and yeah I wish they did the top 6 better, but hey it's GSN, what the heck do you expect them to do.

Michael
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Post by: cweaver on September 02, 2006, 02:03:51 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'130149\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 08:08 AM\']
I must admit I am upset, but more because someone at GSN really thinks that this list should be taken as gospel, and that some of these shows can actually claim themselves as "One of GSN's Top 50 Greatest". [/quote]

Actually I had the opposite problem.  I don't think they took it all that seriously.  To me, if anything, it looks like GSN was a bit flip at least with parts of the list.
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Post by: clemon79 on September 02, 2006, 02:13:22 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'130158\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 09:14 AM\']
I believe GSN considers this "a way to program some summer hours inexpensively and get people talking about us."  My guess is that yes, GSN considers their little stunt quite successful.
[/quote]
If you're in the "there is no such thing as bad publicity camp", then certainly. They might have learned a useful lesson from what G4 did to their street cred after Comcast took it over and eviscerated TechTV. Certainly, they've shot their wad with me (not that they care, or should), and I'm pretty much gonna figuratively roll my eyes at anything they announce from here forward. Again, though, if they had an ounce of sense in their head, they would realize that we're the folks they want PROMOTING them to non fans, not the ones they want badmouthing them.
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Post by: JasonA1 on September 02, 2006, 03:05:38 PM
Quote
Again, though, if they had an ounce of sense in their head, they would realize that we're the folks they want PROMOTING them to non fans, not the ones they want badmouthing them.

I hope nobody comes back with the always famous "they're not trying to cater to us" logic, because I feel Chris has it right here.

On a more grand scale, but in relation to this point, they would've been smart to try to nab the airing rights to the skipped over top shows. A casual channel surfer would be more apt to stop on a show with a black-haired Bob Barker and cars worth less than $10,000 than a blackjack show or some random episode of "The Newlywed Game" or "3's a Crowd," IMO.

-Jason
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Post by: clemon79 on September 02, 2006, 03:31:17 PM
[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'130193\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 12:05 PM\']
I hope nobody comes back with the always famous "they're not trying to cater to us" logic, because I feel Chris has it right here.
[/quote]
Well, go back and read the post you quoted, since I did that myself in the previous sentence to the one you quoted. Because it's true. They shouldn't be catering to us, we're not a big enough audience to them. But at the same time, they shouldn't be doing things that are gonna piss us off so much that, when given the opportunity to spread the word and maybe get them some more of the casual viewers they covet, we instead say "Don't bother, they jumped the shark a year ago."
Quote
On a more grand scale, but in relation to this point, they would've been smart to try to nab the airing rights to the skipped over top shows.
A week ago, I would have said "I'm sure they made the call to CBS." (Or Fremantle or Whoever; my point's the same no matter who it would have been.) Now I'm not sure about that at all. But, if they DID, even to license a single episode, I'm sure the price would have been astronomical, mainly because Whoever knew they had GSN over a barrel; either GSN overpays for the show, or GSN looks like complete ninnies. You ever play Monopoly with someone who REALLY needed New York Avenue, and you had it? Same idea.

So, knowing that, it didn't surprise me THAT much when they skipped over TPiR. What surprised me was that GSN is apparently populated with businesspeople so moronic as to put themselves in such a no-win situation like that in the first place.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on September 02, 2006, 07:24:53 PM
[quote name=\'mbc793\' post=\'130165\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 11:37 AM\']
I have to agree that this little stunt was successful and I wouldn't be surprised if they do something like this again in the future.
[/quote]
I'd be interested in seeing if the ratings were even .05 higher.  Its not like they advertised this on any other network...(to my knowledge).
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Post by: xavier45 on September 02, 2006, 07:34:15 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'130223\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 07:24 PM\']
[quote name=\'mbc793\' post=\'130165\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 11:37 AM\']
I have to agree that this little stunt was successful and I wouldn't be surprised if they do something like this again in the future.
[/quote]
I'd be interested in seeing if the ratings were even .05 higher.  Its not like they advertised this on any other network...(to my knowledge).
[/quote]


Well i am hoping the ratings are good for this. The three that will matter in the ratings are Chain Reaction, Starface, and the 50 greatest. They were on the primetime schedule more than anything. I would not be surprised if it went up to a .5 at all.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on September 02, 2006, 08:12:32 PM
To me it seems like they promised to bring a cake, set out to bake it and found they didn't have all the ingredients.  Rather than going to the store to get them, they just used what they had.  Leaving a bad taste in the mouth.
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Post by: clemon79 on September 02, 2006, 08:26:51 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'130229\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 05:12 PM\']
To me it seems like they promised to bring a cake, set out to bake it and found they didn't have all the ingredients.  Rather than going to the store to get them, they just used what they had.  Leaving a bad taste in the mouth.
[/quote]
To extend your very apt analogy, it is always unwise to start a major baking project on a day when the only grocery store open is 7-Eleven, where a bag of sugar is $10.00. :)
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on September 02, 2006, 09:15:29 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'130230\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 07:26 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'130229\' date=\'Sep 2 2006, 05:12 PM\']
To me it seems like they promised to bring a cake, set out to bake it and found they didn't have all the ingredients.  Rather than going to the store to get them, they just used what they had.  Leaving a bad taste in the mouth.
[/quote]
To extend your very apt analogy, it is always unwise to start a major baking project on a day when the only grocery store open is 7-Eleven, where a bag of sugar is $10.00. :)
[/quote]
This is much better than that "drinking diarrhea" analogy made earlier.  Yuck.

/And I was craving Yoo-hoo
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Post by: Ian Wallis on September 04, 2006, 12:59:39 PM
Quote
To me it seems like they promised to bring a cake, set out to bake it and found they didn't have all the ingredients. Rather than going to the store to get them, they just used what they had. Leaving a bad taste in the mouth.

Well...I guess if you enjoyed what was on the bottom and middle of the cake, then it wasn't ALL bad.  You kind of figured GSN would find a way to mess up the topping though...
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Post by: aaron sica on September 04, 2006, 01:12:56 PM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'130339\' date=\'Sep 4 2006, 12:59 PM\']
Well...I guess if you enjoyed what was on the bottom and middle of the cake, then it wasn't ALL bad.  You kind of figured GSN would find a way to mess up the topping though...
[/quote]

To me, it's like a gorgeous cake was presented in front of me but the baker misread the ingredients and put salt instead of sugar in the cake, leaving a horrible taste in my mouth about the whole thing.
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Post by: uncamark on September 05, 2006, 04:53:53 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'130340\' date=\'Sep 4 2006, 12:12 PM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'130339\' date=\'Sep 4 2006, 12:59 PM\']
Well...I guess if you enjoyed what was on the bottom and middle of the cake, then it wasn't ALL bad.  You kind of figured GSN would find a way to mess up the topping though...
[/quote]

To me, it's like a gorgeous cake was presented in front of me but the baker misread the ingredients and put salt instead of sugar in the cake, leaving a horrible taste in my mouth about the whole thing.
[/quote]

Why am I humming a certain Jimmy Webb song made famous by Richard Harris here?
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Post by: cweaver on September 05, 2006, 05:12:03 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'130402\' date=\'Sep 5 2006, 03:53 PM\']

Why am I humming a certain Jimmy Webb song made famous by Richard Harris here?
[/quote]

Here's hoping GSN will never have this recipe again.
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Post by: Allstar87 on September 06, 2006, 04:59:46 PM
At the very least, some good did come out of all this.

I just went back and realized I made the 1000th post, meaning I win the TPIR stills. I'd like them delivered to my house the same day TPIR brings back Telephone Game. :)
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Post by: SRIV94 on September 06, 2006, 05:55:32 PM
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'130506\' date=\'Sep 6 2006, 03:59 PM\']
I just went back and realized I made the 1000th post, meaning I win the TPIR stills. I'd like them delivered to my house the same day TPIR brings back Telephone Game. :)
[/quote]
Done.  :)

Although I have no bonus for you reaching your 100th.

/prays that TPiR doesn't bring back the Phone Home Game, although there was a marvelous reenactment of it at this past summer's Congreff

Doug
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Post by: Allstar87 on September 06, 2006, 09:35:41 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'130515\' date=\'Sep 6 2006, 05:55 PM\']
Done.  :)

Although I have no bonus for you reaching your 100th.
[/quote]

Wow, didn't even notice I hit 100! Awesome!

I'll leave the quality of those 100 up for debate. Keep in mind that I'm the one who posted the rules to all those Time Machine mini-games. And even worse, earlier in this topic I said I liked Studs. :)
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Post by: Steve Gavazzi on September 06, 2006, 10:58:07 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'130515\' date=\'Sep 6 2006, 05:55 PM\']
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'130506\' date=\'Sep 6 2006, 03:59 PM\']
I just went back and realized I made the 1000th post, meaning I win the TPIR stills. I'd like them delivered to my house the same day TPIR brings back Telephone Game. :)
[/quote]
Done.  :)

Although I have no bonus for you reaching your 100th.

/prays that TPiR doesn't bring back the Phone Home Game, although there was a marvelous reenactment of it at this past summer's Congreff

Doug
[/quote]

Just out of curiosity, what games did you guys play?

(And for what it's worth, the phone jack from that game still exists in the Big Doors, so I suppose if they really, really wanted to... ;-)
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Post by: SRIV94 on September 06, 2006, 11:44:36 PM
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'130561\' date=\'Sep 6 2006, 09:58 PM\']
Just out of curiosity, what games did you guys play?
[/quote]
I'm blanking on a few, but they were all retired games.  One was Professor Price, another was Bump.  Don Howard served as announcer, and his lovely bride was the bumper.  I'll defer to him (or anyone else there) for the others.

/And I blew my own joke by confusing Telephone Game and the Phone Home Game.
//Speaking of blanking, in the MG7x game that followed TPiR at the Congreff, I completely blanked on a question.  And I was in the proverbial Richard Dawson seat at the time.  {Insert your own joke here.}  Oy.

Doug
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Post by: MikeK on September 07, 2006, 12:09:41 AM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'130571\' date=\'Sep 6 2006, 11:44 PM\']
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'130561\' date=\'Sep 6 2006, 09:58 PM\']
Just out of curiosity, what games did you guys play?
[/quote]
I'm blanking on a few, but they were all retired games.  One was Professor Price, another was Bump.  Don Howard served as announcer, and his lovely bride was the bumper.  I'll defer to him (or anyone else there) for the others.[/quote]
Bullseye I and Walk of Fame were two others.  I want to say the other game was Add 'Em Up, but my memory tends to fail on me at such a late hour.

/ No Shower Game...
// ...with Anya.
/// giggitygiggitygiggity
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Post by: Steve Gavazzi on September 07, 2006, 09:22:25 PM
Okay, I've got to ask -- why did you play Bullseye?  (And probably a pointless question, but was it won?)
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on September 07, 2006, 10:12:26 PM
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'130672\' date=\'Sep 7 2006, 08:22 PM\']
Okay, I've got to ask -- why did you play Bullseye?  (And probably a pointless question, but was it won?)
[/quote]
He more than likely played 2-Player Bullseye, which is of course, retired.
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Post by: clemon79 on September 07, 2006, 10:22:22 PM
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'130573\' date=\'Sep 6 2006, 09:09 PM\']
Bullseye I
[/quote]
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'130675\' date=\'Sep 7 2006, 07:12 PM\']
He more than likely played 2-Player Bullseye
[/quote]
Yes, I'd say that's likely.
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Post by: Don Howard on September 08, 2006, 08:49:11 AM
In order, the games played during the Congrefs V ice-breaker were:
* Bullseye I
* Walk Of Fame
* The Phone Home Game
* Penny Ante
* Professor Price
* Bump
One of the prizes in the Showcase was a trip to Cleveland.
That received the most applause from the august body.
This could've been because I was waving my hands in the
air like a crazed inmate.
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Post by: tpirfan28 on September 08, 2006, 10:30:50 AM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'130699\' date=\'Sep 8 2006, 08:49 AM\']
In order, the games played during the Congrefs V ice-breaker were:
* Bullseye I
* Walk Of Fame
* The Phone Home Game
* Penny Ante
* Professor Price
* Bump
[/quote]

Save the best for last?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: MikeK on September 08, 2006, 06:07:15 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'130699\' date=\'Sep 8 2006, 08:49 AM\']One of the prizes in the Showcase was a trip to Cleveland.
That received the most applause from the august body.[/quote]
My body's been called many things, but it's never been called august.

*rereads Don's reply*

THE august body?  Someone besides me went overboard?
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Post by: Steve Gavazzi on September 08, 2006, 10:48:12 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'130677\' date=\'Sep 7 2006, 10:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'130573\' date=\'Sep 6 2006, 09:09 PM\']
Bullseye I
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'130675\' date=\'Sep 7 2006, 07:12 PM\']
He more than likely played 2-Player Bullseye
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Yes, I'd say that's likely.
[/quote]

Certainly doesn't sound that way to me.  Either way, though, awfully strange choice.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Don Howard on September 08, 2006, 11:32:12 PM
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'130799\' date=\'Sep 8 2006, 10:48 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'130677\' date=\'Sep 7 2006, 10:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'130573\' date=\'Sep 6 2006, 09:09 PM\']
Bullseye I
[/quote]
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'130675\' date=\'Sep 7 2006, 07:12 PM\']
He more than likely played 2-Player Bullseye
[/quote]
Yes, I'd say that's likely.
[/quote]
Certainly doesn't sound that way to me.  Either way, though, awfully strange choice.
[/quote]
The original plan was to play all retired games on Thursday the 13th and current games on Friday the 14th.
However, What's My Line? Live! On Stage lasted longer than expected, so the second evening of TPiR never happened.
I blame Marty Ingels.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on September 08, 2006, 11:36:38 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'130805\' date=\'Sep 8 2006, 11:32 PM\']
I blame Marty Ingels.[/quote]
Don't we all.

Hey, did you notice that Shirley Jones didn't win the Emmy he was predicting she would?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on September 08, 2006, 11:38:58 PM
Actually, that's not what I was getting at.  (In fact, we did that at Golden-Road once.)  What I was getting at was, of all the retired games...why Bullseye?  It seems like a pretty odd choice to kick off the night with a game that pretty much isn't going to be won.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SRIV94 on September 09, 2006, 10:17:18 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'130806\' date=\'Sep 8 2006, 10:36 PM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'130805\' date=\'Sep 8 2006, 11:32 PM\']
I blame Marty Ingels.[/quote]
Don't we all.
[/quote]
At the end, I walked up to him and said, "It's a pleasure to meet you."  His response:  "No, it's not."

After further review, he was right.  :)

Doug
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: game show guy on April 30, 2007, 10:15:20 PM
I apologize for bumping this thread up, but, I just want everyone to remember that beginning this Saturday from 8-10PM E/T, GSN will be rearing The 50 Greatest Game Shows Of All Time Special.

So, If you forgot to record a show that you missed, or you had bad storms in your area, this is your chance to see it and tape it again if you want to.

Again, just a heads up, folks!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on April 30, 2007, 11:31:10 PM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'151255\' date=\'Apr 30 2007, 07:15 PM\']
So, If you forgot to record a show that you missed, or you had bad storms in your area, this is your chance to see it and tape it again if you want to.
[/quote]
And if you want to see such great game shows as Studs and The $1.98 Beauty Show, you can do that too.

Me, I think I have to go out and buy a dog. So I can wash it.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: game show guy on May 05, 2007, 10:44:08 PM
Every week, I will be ranking the shows according to what I think about them. I will not be offended If someone disagrees with me, but, this is just in my opinion.

Here we go!

#50- 3's A Crowd: 8 out of 10. I really enjoyed this show very much. I used to watch it when it was on GSN back in 2000-2001. I know alot of people do not like this show, but, I do.:)

#49- Treasure Hunt: 11 out of 10. This show is just SWEET! EVERYTHING about this show is just COOL! The host, the contestants, the prizes, its ALL GOOD!
Extra points for leaving in the Johnny Jacobs (Announcer) fee plugs and the credits! GSN hit a home run with this show. I really hope that the ratings were good for this show tonight. So maybe GSN will return it to the schedule sometime. I know they have to pay for it, but, they can do it:):):):angel:

#48- BlockBuster's: 9 out of 10. Great show hosted by Bill Cullen. Its one of my favorites. Good :22 Second gold rush win!!:)

#47- Studs: 3 out of 10. Why this was on GSN's list is beyond me.:shake:  I don't know if I would like it or not. It didn't look too exciting from what I read about it. Well, happy we didn't get to see it.

#46- Hollywood Showdown: 10 out of 10. I was SO happy to see this after 6 years of not seeing it. Todd Newton was GREAT on this show. Much better then Whammy! Thanks GSN for the credits:)


Well, for me what a great night for Game Shows. I got to see two shows I haven't seen in a while, one I've never seen, and a :22 Second Blockbuster win!

Thank You GSN!!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on May 05, 2007, 11:57:29 PM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'151575\' date=\'May 5 2007, 10:44 PM\']
#49- Treasure Hunt: 11 out of 10.[/quote]

Wow, way to throw any credibility this might have had out the window in the very first post.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on May 06, 2007, 12:06:21 AM
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'151585\' date=\'May 5 2007, 08:57 PM\']
Wow, way to throw any credibility this might have had out the window in the very first post.
[/quote]
You waited that long? I knew it was shot when he gave 3's A Crowd an 8.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on May 06, 2007, 12:07:31 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'151587\' date=\'May 6 2007, 12:06 AM\']
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'151585\' date=\'May 5 2007, 08:57 PM\']
Wow, way to throw any credibility this might have had out the window in the very first post.
[/quote]
You waited that long? I knew it was shot when he gave 3's A Crowd an 8.
[/quote]

I wasn't really reading it closely enough to notice that.  The 11 just sorta jumped out. :-)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: TLEberle on May 06, 2007, 12:13:21 AM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'151575\' date=\'May 5 2007, 07:44 PM\']#50- 3's A Crowd: 8 out of 10. I really enjoyed this show very much. I used to watch it when it was on GSN back in 2000-2001. I know alot of people do not like this show, but, I do.:)[/quote]I'm the curious sort, so I want to know. What was it about this show you enjoyed? I watched exactly one episode when Chez Eberle got GSN back in 1998, and confidently said "That's enough of THAT". Different strokes and all of that, but really, what's the draw here?

/Glutton for Punishment, reporting for duty, Sir!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: beatlefreak84 on May 06, 2007, 01:31:41 AM
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I'm the curious sort, so I want to know. What was it about this show you enjoyed? I watched exactly one episode when Chez Eberle got GSN back in 1998, and confidently said "That's enough of THAT". Different strokes and all of that, but really, what's the draw here?

Well, I can't answer for the poster you're asking, but, since I am one of the few that liked the show as well, I'll give my reasons for liking it...:)

I thought it was an interesting take on Newlywed Game and did provide for some very funny moments, especially when the secretary and wife would go at it, while the husband just sat there with a stupid grin on his face.  Or, even worse, when the husband would reveal some intimate detail about his love life, and the secretary would know it, but not the wife.  What can I say?  I also watch "Cheaters," if that gives you any indication as to where my brain is...;).

I got a huge laugh out of the look on Jim Peck's face about halfway through the first episode, where he seemed to be thinking, "Why the HELL did I sign up to host this?"

Now, 3AC is not anywhere on my top 50 list, and it was never appointment TV even when it was on regularly, but I also didn't find it a bad show to watch, either.  I think it got better after I saw Extreme Gong, though...;).

Anthony
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on May 06, 2007, 07:03:09 AM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'151575\' date=\'May 5 2007, 10:44 PM\']


 

#46- Hollywood Showdown: 10 out of 10. I was SO happy to see this after 6 years of not seeing it. Todd Newton was GREAT on this show. Much better then Whammy! Thanks GSN for the credits:)


[/quote]
 
You should get TV Guide channel.  They have been running hour-long blocks of the show every weekday at 5 eastern for some time now.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: game show guy on May 06, 2007, 08:11:15 AM
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'151585\' date=\'May 5 2007, 11:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'151575\' date=\'May 5 2007, 10:44 PM\']
#49- Treasure Hunt: 11 out of 10.[/quote]

Wow, way to throw any credibility this might have had out the window in the very first post.
[/quote]

Hey, whats wrong with giving 11 out of 10 to Treasure Hunt?? I REALLY liked this show. You must have missed my post where it says "this is in MY OPINION!!)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: dzinkin on May 06, 2007, 09:36:23 AM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'151595\' date=\'May 6 2007, 08:11 AM\']
Hey, whats wrong with giving 11 out of 10 to Treasure Hunt?? I REALLY liked this show. You must have missed my post where it says "this is in MY OPINION!!)
[/quote]
That's right. you did give your opinion.  And in turn, others gave theirs.

On this board, if you disagree with something that someone else posts, you actually are allowed to answer.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: isucgv on May 06, 2007, 11:59:48 AM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'151595\' date=\'May 6 2007, 07:11 AM\']
Hey, whats wrong with giving 11 out of 10 to Treasure Hunt?? I REALLY liked this show. You must have missed my post where it says "this is in MY OPINION!!)
[/quote]
You also said this:
[quote name=\'game show guy\' date=\'May 5 2007, 09:44 PM\']I will not be offended If someone disagrees with me, but, <snip>
[/quote]
Yet it seems you took offense to the very first opinion someone offered which disagreed with yours, no?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on May 06, 2007, 12:32:42 PM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'151595\' date=\'May 6 2007, 08:11 AM\']Hey, whats wrong with giving 11 out of 10 to Treasure Hunt?? [/quote]
Mathematics, mostly.

And yeah, for someone who promised that "I will not be offended If someone disagrees with me", it sure didn't take you very long.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on May 06, 2007, 02:06:29 PM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'151595\' date=\'May 6 2007, 08:11 AM\']
Hey, whats wrong with giving 11 out of 10 to Treasure Hunt?? I REALLY liked this show. You must have missed my post where it says "this is in MY OPINION!!)
[/quote]

What's wrong with it is that there is no such thing as "11 out of 10."  Just saying that makes the entire concept of having a scale completely meaningless.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on May 06, 2007, 02:21:40 PM
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'151607\' date=\'May 6 2007, 11:06 AM\']
What's wrong with it is that there is no such thing as "11 out of 10."  Just saying that makes the entire concept of having a scale completely meaningless.
[/quote]
I give this post two thousand stars out of five.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: xavier45 on May 06, 2007, 04:06:42 PM
You know What? I have had enough. GSGuy comes here trying to give an innocent Recap of what he thought about the Countdown and you guys once again act like Jerks. Everyone of you involved in this. Even you moderators are involved in this. Why? Just because a guy gives an 11 out of 10 that gives you guys a right to flame him. This may be my last post here, but you know what? I don't give a damn. GsGuy is one of my friends and I can not just sit here and allow you idiots to do this to him. I have lost alot of respect for each and everyone of you guys involved.

I am pretty sure this is it for me, but as I said I don't care. The way you treat a of friend of mines and heck the way you treat Mark Odor makes me sick. GSN boards are 100% percent better than this place. GSGuy buddy don't post here anymore. They don't care about your opinion, they only care about themselves.

Now go ahead David, Ban Me.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: dzinkin on May 06, 2007, 04:20:12 PM
[quote name=\'xavier45\' post=\'151609\' date=\'May 6 2007, 04:06 PM\']
You know What? I have had enough. GSGuy comes here trying to give an innocent Recap of what he thought about the Countdown and you guys once again act like Jerks. Everyone of you involved in this. Even you moderators are involved in this. Why? Just because a guy gives an 11 out of 10 that gives you guys a right to flame him. This may be my last post here, but you know what? I don't give a damn. GsGuy is one of my friends and I can not just sit here and allow you idiots to do this to him. I have lost alot of respect for each and everyone of you guys involved.
[/quote]
Excuse me?  You demanded that we have rules but not enforce them, left here in a huff when we refused, and then weaseled your way back on here, all the while continuing to trash us (http://\"http://www.gsn.com/buzz/showthread.php?p=1233148&highlight=dzinkin#post1233148\") on the GSN board.  You can't lose respect for us when you never had any to begin with.  You have respect only for yourself and for your post count.

And if you think that expecting someone to defend his opinion or follow basic math is "flaming," then you have a lot to learn about what the word means.  (Hint: it's not defined as "anything Guide_Angel wouldn't allow.")  He expressed an opinion, claimed that he wouldn't mind if others disagreed, then started whining the moment someone disagreed.  That's not "being flamed," that's being asked to defend your opinion.

To borrow the words of my co-moderator Matt, this is pretty basic stuff... for adults.

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I am pretty sure this is it for me, but as I said I don't care. The way you treat a of friend of mines and heck the way you treat Mark Odor makes me sick. GSN boards are 100% percent better than this place.
Then why did you storm out of here and then beg to be allowed back in?

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GSGuy buddy don't post here anymore. They don't care about your opinion, they only care about themselves.
Pot.  Kettle.  Black.

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Now go ahead David, Ban Me.
As much as it may disappoint some of your fellow members, being a rank hypocrite isn't a ban-worthy offense.

You've already demanded that we have rules but not enforce them.  Is showing some maturity as difficult for you as following a few simple rules?
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Post by: --Richard on May 06, 2007, 04:20:58 PM
Quote
You know What? I have had enough. GSGuy comes here trying to give an innocent Recap of what he thought about the Countdown and you guys once again act like Jerks. Everyone of you involved in this. Even you moderators are involved in this. Why? Just because a guy gives an 11 out of 10 that gives you guys a right to flame him. This may be my last post here, but you know what? I don't give a damn. GsGuy is one of my friends and I can not just sit here and allow you idiots to do this to him. I have lost alot of respect for each and everyone of you guys involved.

I am pretty sure this is it for me, but as I said I don't care. The way you treat a of friend of mines and heck the way you treat Mark Odor makes me sick. GSN boards are 100% percent better than this place. GSGuy buddy don't post here anymore. They don't care about your opinion, they only care about themselves.
^^Couldn't agree more, xavier.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on May 06, 2007, 04:27:55 PM
[quote name=\'xavier45\' post=\'151609\' date=\'May 6 2007, 01:06 PM\']
I am pretty sure this is it for me, but as I said I don't care.
[/quote]
I believe the phrase is "Don't let the door hitcha where the Good Lord split ya."

Xavier45 might be about to set the record for "most times as the subject of the 'when will he come skulking back' pool."

/I'm taking June 7 at 3:00P PDT.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on May 06, 2007, 04:31:02 PM
[quote name=\'xavier45\' post=\'151609\' date=\'May 6 2007, 04:06 PM\']
You know What? I have had enough. GSGuy comes here trying to give an innocent Recap of what he thought about the Countdown and you guys once again act like Jerks. Everyone of you involved in this. Even you moderators are involved in this. Why? Just because a guy gives an 11 out of 10 that gives you guys a right to flame him. This may be my last post here, but you know what? I don't give a damn. GsGuy is one of my friends and I can not just sit here and allow you idiots to do this to him. I have lost alot of respect for each and everyone of you guys involved.

I am pretty sure this is it for me, but as I said I don't care. The way you treat a of friend of mines and heck the way you treat Mark Odor makes me sick. GSN boards are 100% percent better than this place. GSGuy buddy don't post here anymore. They don't care about your opinion, they only care about themselves.

Now go ahead David, Ban Me.
[/quote]

Great post.  I give it an 11 out of 10.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: tpirfan28 on May 06, 2007, 04:35:53 PM
[quote name=\'xavier45\' post=\'151609\' date=\'May 6 2007, 04:06 PM\']
I am pretty sure this is it for me, but as I said I don't care. The way you treat a of friend of mines and heck the way you treat Mark Odor makes me sick. GSN boards are 100% percent better than this place. GSGuy buddy don't post here anymore. They don't care about your opinion, they only care about themselves.
[/quote]What Mark did was in direct violation of Eligibility Requirement #5, stated as follows:

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5. Distasteful Posts

Posts deemed to be offensive, in generally bad taste or inflammatory in nature, will subject the author to disciplinary action. Posting messages which are harrassing, insulting, belittling or derisive to other board member(s), or which incite personal attacks against other board member(s), will be considered grounds for disciplinary action. A pattern of excessive and gratuitous use of foul language shall constitute grounds for disciplinary action.


You also agreed to this when you signed up.  Mark basically was trying to pick fights and was about to incite personal attacks on other members.  If it makes you "sick" over what happened, that's your problem, and not the fault of the Moderators.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SRIV94 on May 06, 2007, 05:04:56 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'151615\' date=\'May 6 2007, 03:35 PM\']
You also agreed to this when you signed up.  [/quote]

I'm not sure I would call it "agreeing" to it.  I read it as more like, "this may be the rule, but who cares, i'm gonna do what i want cuz that's how it is where i come from."

And there are more than a few posters from that arena who cop the same attitude when they post here.  Not everyone.
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Post by: BrandonFG on May 06, 2007, 05:07:32 PM
I think some of you need to seriously get the hell over yourselves, and hint, I'm not talking to the "idiots" in question. I know Xavier's in isolation, but it appears he's willing to dish, but can never take. It's okay for him to sling mud, but when someone offers the slightest criticism, they're every name in the book.

When you make a comment stating opinion, maybe you need to open your mind and expect someone to, oh, I don't know, DISAGREE with you. Of course, this is the Internet, so if you disagree, you're either a h8r l33t, or an idiot. You flame someone for being so closed-minded, what the hell do you think you're doing by immediately putting down their opinion.

If you're going to do nothing but bitch about how this board is run, and call names, maybe you don't need to be here. Or maybe you just need your diaper changed.

And before it begins, can comparing this place to ATGS be worthy of Isolation Booth time? That's slander. :-)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: tpirfan28 on May 06, 2007, 08:12:39 PM
To put this back on topic...

I'd probably rank Treasure Hunt high because it is the far superior older sister of DoND.  Moves fast, good amount of cheeseiness...good show all around.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: BrandonFG on May 06, 2007, 09:36:53 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'151629\' date=\'May 6 2007, 08:12 PM\']
I'd probably rank Treasure Hunt high because it is the far superior older sister of DoND.  Moves fast, good amount of cheeseiness...good show all around.
[/quote]
I've made that comparison as well, and I agree. Treasure Hunt benefited from having Barris as producer. As evidenced by "The Gong Show", Barris, plain and simple, got it. He knew how to make the show cheesy, yet knew when to add the drama. He went for the female demographic, and used your typical Harriet Housewife, not the over-the-top cartoon character that D/ND seeks.

There's a 1973 ep. on Jamie's site f. a $7,000 win. I know that's nothing compared to what D/ND offers (it's about $30,000 in 2006), but it was fun to watch, esp. after seeing the contestant think she won a $20 shopping cart. :-)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SRIV94 on May 06, 2007, 10:03:13 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'151635\' date=\'May 6 2007, 08:36 PM\']
I've made that comparison as well, and I agree. Treasure Hunt benefited from having Barris as producer. As evidenced by "The Gong Show", Barris, plain and simple, got it. He knew how to make the show cheesy, yet knew when to add the drama. He went for the female demographic, and used your typical Harriet Housewife, not the over-the-top cartoon character that D/ND seeks.
[/quote]
Let's also not underestimate Geoff Edwards' performance as well.  Not that Howie Mandel isn't well-suited to the role of keeping the proceedings moving, but Edwards' memorization requirements took the cake.

TH is a show I wouldn't have minded seeing more of.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: davemackey on May 06, 2007, 10:52:39 PM
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'151607\' date=\'May 6 2007, 02:06 PM\']
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'151595\' date=\'May 6 2007, 08:11 AM\']
Hey, whats wrong with giving 11 out of 10 to Treasure Hunt?? I REALLY liked this show. You must have missed my post where it says "this is in MY OPINION!!)
[/quote]

What's wrong with it is that there is no such thing as "11 out of 10."  Just saying that makes the entire concept of having a scale completely meaningless.
[/quote]
It's like saying "It's B, and I'm 20% sure of it."

Whoops, wrong thread.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: game show guy on May 19, 2007, 10:12:54 AM
I know this is late, but, this is from last weeks 50 Greatest Game Shows. Here we go!

45. Shop 'Til You Drop- 9/10- I LOVE this show. The stunts are great. However, Pat Finns laugh is annoying as hell. So thats why its bumped down a point.

44. Truth Or Consequences- 8/10- I would have much rather seen this show in full then in just clips. Still good they said Bob Barkers edition was the best

43. Tattletales- 10/10- This show really needs to come back to GSN's schedule. Its been off for WAY too long and I think it will do good if it came back. The episode was so funny with Scoey Mitchell with his jokes and he split his pants. ROTFLMAO!!. BTW, I know this episode was from 1974, however, could someone tell me if it was from the beginning of the run or was it later in the run when was this episode aired. Thank you GSN for airing this! I HOPE it got good ratings because I WANT IT BACK!!!!!!

42. Queen for a Day- 5/10- This show to be from the looks and Bil's description, seemed boring. Maybe I would have liked it if they showed a full episode.

41. The 1.98 Beauty Show- 7/10- I actually enjoy this show. Rip Taylor is funny is his own right. The people looked butt UGLY to be honest. They should have had nicer people. However, the show was still ok. Some things to note. First, Bil's script, was wrong. He said that The 1.98 Beauty Show lasted one year. Well, It actually lasted two years September 1978-September 1980. Ok show. Not the best.

40. Twenty-One- 8/10- This show is great. The 2000 version is cool. I wish we could have seen this with Jack Berry hosting it.

39. GE College Bowl- 6/10- From the looks of it, It seemed interesting to say the least. I wish they aired this instead of Whammy. Or Twenty-One for that matter.

38. Whammy- 6/10- I don't think they should have put this show on the list. Couldn't they have shown the biggest winner episode? 10,000+ is not bad, however, I think someone went higher. The only significance to this one is when the pizza dough falls on the womans head and Todd starts laughing LOL!! Still, I would have given it higher if it weren't for the mediocre episode. At least, its a first season episode which hasn't been seen in awhile, since i think they are airing season two episodes on the weekends at 12:00PM.

OVERALL- 59/100- One of the weaker nights indeed. Shop 'Til You Drop, 1.98 Beauty Show, and Tattletales were the ones I liked the best.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on May 19, 2007, 01:09:39 PM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'152829\' date=\'May 19 2007, 07:12 AM\']
41. The 1.98 Beauty Show- 7/10- I actually enjoy this show. Rip Taylor is funny is his own right. The people looked butt UGLY to be honest. They should have had nicer people.
[/quote]
Way to completely miss the point.

/of course, so did GSN
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: BrandonFG on May 19, 2007, 01:16:22 PM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'152829\' date=\'May 19 2007, 10:12 AM\']
44. Truth Or Consequences- 8/10- I would have much rather seen this show in full then in just clips. Still good they said Bob Barkers edition was the best
[/quote]
Well, considering a) the other two versions lasted one season each, and b) haven't aired in almost 20 years, I wouldn't expect them to say that the other two versions were superior. I'm sure your average viewer is not even aware of the other two revivals.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on May 19, 2007, 01:19:41 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'152840\' date=\'May 19 2007, 10:16 AM\']
I'm sure your average viewer is not even aware of the other two revivals.
[/quote]
I'm not your average viewer, and _I_ didn't even know about one of them. The only other one I know is the Larry Anderson version.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: dzinkin on May 19, 2007, 01:25:20 PM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'152829\' date=\'May 19 2007, 10:12 AM\']
39. GE College Bowl- 6/10- From the looks of it, It seemed interesting to say the least. I wish they aired this instead of Whammy. Or Twenty-One for that matter.
[/quote]
Question: assuming that any rights issues could be worked out, and assuming that GSN were interested (and yeah, I know the answer to the latter is a definite "no"), do enough episodes even survive to make it possible?
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on May 19, 2007, 01:39:28 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'152842\' date=\'May 19 2007, 01:25 PM\']
39. GE College Bowl

Question: assuming that any rights issues could be worked out, and assuming that GSN were interested (and yeah, I know the answer to the latter is a definite "no"), do enough episodes even survive to make it possible?
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Unless NBC or the Reid family is sitting on the masters, probably not.  Isolated episodes are around for one reason or another, usually because individual schools made a point of keeping their team's performances.  Another problem, of course, would be that the quality of whatever survived (and in whatever format) would vary greatly.

Here's a remarkably thorough examination of what survives. (http://\"http://www.zebra.net/~tfm/cbvalhal.html\")
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: BrandonFG on May 19, 2007, 01:40:19 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'152841\' date=\'May 19 2007, 01:19 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'152840\' date=\'May 19 2007, 10:16 AM\']
I'm sure your average viewer is not even aware of the other two revivals.
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I'm not your average viewer, and _I_ didn't even know about one of them. The only other one I know is the Larry Anderson version.
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Bob Hilton hosted a version c. 1977. Jamie has a clip of it on his site.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: game show guy on May 19, 2007, 01:46:55 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'152840\' date=\'May 19 2007, 01:16 PM\']
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'152829\' date=\'May 19 2007, 10:12 AM\']
44. Truth Or Consequences- 8/10- I would have much rather seen this show in full then in just clips. Still good they said Bob Barkers edition was the best
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Well, considering a) the other two versions lasted one season each, and b) haven't aired in almost 20 years, I wouldn't expect them to say that the other two versions were superior. I'm sure your average viewer is not even aware of the other two revivals.
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Well, last week when Bil was talking about he said "Out of all the versions, we like Bob's the best". That is what he said. GSN can say that they like Bob's the best, whats wrong with that??
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: game show guy on May 19, 2007, 02:00:57 PM
Well, just a heads up for whats to come tonight on the 50 greatest game shows of all time.

We will see the following-

#37- Greed
#36- Remote Control
#35- Beat The Clock
#34- Sale Of The Century
#33- Dog Eat Dog

Well, I will be watching tonight since I don't get a chance to record or watch Greed when it is on. I will skip over Dog Eat Dog, still don't know why they put it on the list.

While the dog eat dog CRAP is on, I will be recording the Greed episode on my DVD so that I have it for life!! Thanks GSN for airing it in a good slot. I finally will be able to record an episode to keep. YES!  Then I will wait until, 11PM to record the 1972 ep. of Secret and the Tattletales ep.

That is my night tonight. I will enjoy every moment. I LOVE GAME SHOW NETWORK!!!
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on May 19, 2007, 02:05:33 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'152845\' date=\'May 19 2007, 10:40 AM\']
Bob Hilton hosted a version c. 1977. Jamie has a clip of it on his site.
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Yeah, upon further review, I've seen that clip, so I should have remembered. Thanks for the boost. :)
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: dzinkin on May 19, 2007, 04:45:56 PM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'152846\' date=\'May 19 2007, 01:46 PM\']
Well, last week when Bil was talking about he said "Out of all the versions, we like Bob's the best". That is what he said. GSN can say that they like Bob's the best, whats wrong with that??
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Nothing is wrong with GSN saying that Barker's version is the best.  Brandon was just saying that it doesn't mean as much as you think it does -- GSN's going to focus on Barker because his version is the one GSN's viewers are most likely to remember.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: game show guy on May 19, 2007, 09:49:22 PM
Here I go again folks. A sad night!!

#37- Greed- 4/10- A million dollar win was good to see. However, GSN has rerunned this show into the ground WAY too much. Give it a break for once.

#36- Remote Control- 6/10- This looked interesting, I wish they would have played this instead of greed.

#35- Beat The Clock- 7/10- This is another show that just DOES NOT deserve to get a clip fest. We should have seen something of this. A color episode would have been fine, It did not have to be a Black and White one.

#34- Sale Of The Century- 8/10- Yet another show that just does not deserve the clip treatment. Bil talked about all the hosts and I thought they were going to show one. Well, I was wrong.

#33- Dog Eat Dog- A BIG FAT 0/10- WHY does GSN think this show is SO GREAT. It stopped making episode a LONG TIME AGO. I don't know what to say, I mean DED better then Treasure Hunt??? Come on!!!

Overall- 25/50- What a sad night on 50 Greatest Game Shows

Well, next week should be great with Tic Tac Dough, Card Sharks, Password Plus, and Win Ben Steins Money.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: Mike Tennant on May 19, 2007, 09:54:14 PM
Believe it or not, there were other versions of TorC besides the Hilton and Anderson versions, too.

(Knows this but checks EoTVGS for specifics . . .)

Ralph Edwards himself, crossing over from the long-running radio version, made the first attempt at the show on TV in 1950-1951.  Jack Bailey was next from 1954 to 1956.  Then, while Barker was hosting the daytime version starting in 1956, Steve Dunne hosted a primetime version in 1957-1948.  Barker's daytime version ended in 1965, only to resume in syndication the next year and run until 1975.  Bob Hilton tried to follow the WGMC far too soon in 1977-1978, and Larry Anderson's version was in the 1987-1988 season.

Give Edwards credit for subordinating his own ego--he was, after all, the star of the show on radio for 17 years--for the good of the TV version.  Sure, it meant money in his pocket, but it took some humility to relinquish the reins to other people, one of whom would become far more associated with the show than its originator.

My suspicion is that changing tastes have, unfortunately, pretty much relegated TorC to the mists of memory, unless it comes back with "edgy" stunts.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on May 19, 2007, 10:00:39 PM
[quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'152894\' date=\'May 19 2007, 06:49 PM\']
Here I go again folks. A sad night!!
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Truer words.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: TLEberle on May 19, 2007, 11:14:51 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'152839\' date=\'May 19 2007, 10:09 AM\'][quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'152829\' date=\'May 19 2007, 07:12 AM\']41. The 1.98 Beauty Show- 7/10- I actually enjoy this show. Rip Taylor is funny is his own right. The people looked butt UGLY to be honest. They should have had nicer people. [/quote]Way to completely miss the point.[/quote]Granted, this came from Chuck Barris, so it's not hard to make that leap yourself, but did Johnny Jacobs actually come out and say "This is a parody, not an actual competition," and the standard boilerplate, or was that exercise left to the viewer?

/This particular viewer watched one episode and had enough.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: clemon79 on May 19, 2007, 11:59:11 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'152898\' date=\'May 19 2007, 08:14 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'152839\' date=\'May 19 2007, 10:09 AM\'][quote name=\'game show guy\' post=\'152829\' date=\'May 19 2007, 07:12 AM\']41. The 1.98 Beauty Show- 7/10- I actually enjoy this show. Rip Taylor is funny is his own right. The people looked butt UGLY to be honest. They should have had nicer people. [/quote]Way to completely miss the point.[/quote]Granted, this came from Chuck Barris, so it's not hard to make that leap yourself, but did Johnny Jacobs actually come out and say "This is a parody, not an actual competition," and the standard boilerplate?
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Yes. Not those words, of course, but yes. Enough so that anyone with half of a clue should have picked up on it.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: PYLW on May 20, 2007, 12:32:03 AM
I believe he said "The $1.98 Beauty Show intends to spoof all of those other real beauty contests", or something like that.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SRIV94 on May 20, 2007, 12:56:29 AM
Part of Johnny Jacobs' spiel (or pretty darn close):

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Tonight, The $1.98 Beauty Show will continue its relentless spoof of all those other so-called 'beauty contests', and although this is not a real contest, we will bring you our version of the all-American beauty, that one-of-a-kind girl who not only has personality and poise, but beauty and talent as well!

Can't take credit for having that memorized--I got it somewhere on the web.  If it's off, it's not by much.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: uncamark on May 21, 2007, 04:58:25 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'152907\' date=\'May 19 2007, 11:56 PM\']
Part of Johnny Jacobs' spiel (or pretty darn close):

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Tonight, The $1.98 Beauty Show will continue its relentless spoof of all those other so-called 'beauty contests', and although this is not a real contest, we will bring you our version of the all-American beauty, that one-of-a-kind girl who not only has personality and poise, but beauty and talent as well!

Can't take credit for having that memorized--I got it somewhere on the web.  If it's off, it's not by much.
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And the credits had a "This is not an actual competition--the winner was chosen by the producers before the program" disclaimer.

As for "T or C," the story that Edwards gave on why he left the show was (this was either right before "This is Your Life" moved to TV from radio or right after) "I couldn't be the angel on Friday night and the devil on Tuesday night."  In other words, he decided that he'd rather be the cordial toastmaster of "Life" than the merry prankster of "T or C."  Considering that old-style network radio was dying out and "T or C" had already bombed on television, he had more than personal reasons to shut down "T or C."  Considering that "Life" went on to be highly successful on television and "T or C" needed a new host and a downgrade to daytime before it was successful on TV, I think he made the right choice.
Title: GSN 50 greatest game shows special...
Post by: SRIV94 on August 21, 2008, 12:23:40 PM
Sorry for the bump up, but I was just reading this thread for shiggles (looking up the origin of "friggin' STUDS").  And as I'm rummaging through I see this question:

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'127587\' date=\'Aug 15 2006, 11:45 PM\']
Could any form of Password be a hit today?
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Nice to know we've seen the answer, and that the answer so far is affirmative.

/Now back to rummaging.
//Wow.  3400 posts.