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Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: narzo on April 17, 2006, 01:14:08 AM
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/C...l=SUPP&nid=2228 (http://\"http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6325077.html?display=Breaking+News&referral=SUPP&nid=2228\")

and the lengthy speculation thread begins...

NOW

(the over/under for how many pages this goes is 9)
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: BrandonFG on April 17, 2006, 01:19:41 AM
Interesting. I'd love to see this develop.

Oh, and I wrote down Tic-Tac-Dough and Joker's Wild. :-P
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: FOXSportsFan on April 17, 2006, 01:20:08 AM
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'116310\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 01:14 AM\']
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/C...l=SUPP&nid=2228 (http://\"http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6325077.html?display=Breaking+News&referral=SUPP&nid=2228\")

and the lengthy speculation thread begins...

NOW
[/quote]

Is it time to be welcomed back to the game "where knowledge is king and lady luck is queen" ?

Is it time to get ready for "everybody's game of strategy, knowledge, and fun" ?

Is it time for me to send a resume out, lol?
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on April 17, 2006, 01:24:52 AM
Dating/Newlywed.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Terry K on April 17, 2006, 03:20:53 AM
With NBC considering a DOND syndie, there's going to be a couple of problems.  DOND games ALWAYS take up a full hour.  Unless they go with DOND as a show with lower stakes or less suitcases, we have real problems on our hands.  And are we going to see a seperate host a-la-TWL?  (I'm not sure though you're gonna do better than Howie no matter what)

Could they be considering a revival of H2?  That's one very strong contender, considering Sony and KW were working together with H2 as it was, and H2 was starting to catch on when it was axed.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Craig Karlberg on April 17, 2006, 03:29:08 AM
I always thought the WOF/J! block on most ABC O&Os were pretty much a 1-hour block in of itself over the last 20+ years.  What Sony/King World is trying to do is "create" its own battles with those shows.  The only viable option in my area would be to put it on my CBS affiliate but even there it would be tough to snare the entertainment shows that are up against the 1-2 powerhouse combo.  There's a slim chance my ABC affiliate can use its 4 PM slot for that.  Problem is, Oprah is "locked" in that slot & would be years before anything shows up there.  I can understand wanting to outfox NBC Universal here, but it's gonna be a tough sell I think.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Brig Bother on April 17, 2006, 05:48:52 AM
[quote name=\'Terry K\' post=\'116315\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 08:20 AM\']
With NBC considering a DOND syndie, there's going to be a couple of problems.  DOND games ALWAYS take up a full hour.  Unless they go with DOND as a show with lower stakes or less suitcases, we have real problems on our hands.  And are we going to see a seperate host a-la-TWL?  (I'm not sure though you're gonna do better than Howie no matter what)
[/quote]

The Australian show fits in a short quiz and a game with 26 suitcases in just under 22 minutes.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: BrandonFG on April 17, 2006, 06:02:12 AM
[quote name=\'Terry K\' post=\'116315\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 03:20 AM\']
With NBC considering a DOND syndie, there's going to be a couple of problems.  DOND games ALWAYS take up a full hour.  Unless they go with DOND as a show with lower stakes or less suitcases, we have real problems on our hands.  And are we going to see a seperate host a-la-TWL?  (I'm not sure though you're gonna do better than Howie no matter what)
[/quote]
And they drag the hell out of that hour...if you straddle the show, and cut out a lot of the extra stuff, it should be okay...even one game per half-hour could probably work, but straddling might relax things a bit.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: itiparanoid13 on April 17, 2006, 08:13:00 AM
If I'm correct, Michael Davies had to do a cable and syndicated show.  So I'm taking a stab that Chain Reaction (which is looking good, btw) will be the cable one, and the original's going to be the syndicated game.  I could also be 100% incorrect, which is a big possibility.  And a 22 box game in the style of the terrific UK DoND could fit in a half hour time slot.  A 26 case game is nearly impossible without eliminating all substance.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: TLEberle on April 17, 2006, 09:00:05 AM
Which is to say, not much substance to begin with. "The Deal" is in a different boat than "Millionaire." Millionaire at least has the questions, which used to come at a fast clip. You could fit in a couple of contestants on a show sometimes. "Deal or No Deal" has...picking numbers. If you were to make it viable as a syndicated show by removing four boxes and making the field $0.01 to $250,000; you still have people picking numbers. On the upside, there would be less time for the Relationship Bench antics and whatnot, but it's also a possibility that they would try to spread one contestant's game over two shows, changing nothing at all. With all of that, you have people picking numbers off of a board. "Treasure Hunt" somehow lasted for four years as a weekly product, and barely a year as a syndicated one, and it's the same game on an elementary level.

No syndicate would touch a show that has had payouts as high as "Deal" without some major changes. If it were my nickels, I would be pushing for an American version of the best game show on television anywhere in the world right now: "Temptation." But that's just me.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: zachhoran on April 17, 2006, 09:17:43 AM
[quote name=\'Terry K\' post=\'116315\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 03:20 AM\']


Could they be considering a revival of H2?  That's one very strong contender, considering Sony and KW were working together with H2 as it was, and H2 was starting to catch on when it was axed.
[/quote]

H2's ratings did not improve in the post-Whoopi era, so I wouldn't say it was starting to catch on when it was axed. It was more or less known going into the 2003-04 season that it would be the last season, barring a major ratings increase, as that magazine show with the legendary Pat O'Brien was a go to replace Squares on many stations.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: MikeK on April 17, 2006, 09:55:31 AM
Given Deal's success in a short period of time, it wouldn't surprise me if Sony revived a similar show--Treasure Hunt.  I don't think it's the best choice (I'd prefer reviving TTD, TJW, or even The Newlywed Game) but I don't think Treasure Hunt is too much of a stretch given what the game show flavor du jour is.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Clay Zambo on April 17, 2006, 10:33:19 AM
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' post=\'116332\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 08:55 AM\']
Given Deal's success in a short period of time, it wouldn't surprise me if Sony revived a similar show--Treasure Hunt.  
[/quote]

Oh.  Please.  No.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: opimus on April 17, 2006, 10:40:12 AM
Ben Stein's  How Do You Like Your Eggs?. *ducks* on his way to the booth.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: wheelloon on April 17, 2006, 10:57:23 AM
I would VERY MUCH like to see H2 come back with this news, but I doubt it will happen, given how the ratings started to plummet those last 2 years. Such a shame, if you ask me. I think it would be a great pairing with another celebrity game like Password or Match Game, but I think that's a long stretch for that to happen there... :(

Dare I say it, could we see a return of Pyramid, and maybe, to pull one out of left field: High Rollers?? I kinda think HR may have that sorta Vegas appeal that's exploded in popularity over the last decade. Same could apply to TJW or (ack-hem) Card Sharks...

Just my opinion, don't flame me please. LOL
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: uncamark on April 17, 2006, 12:16:05 PM
[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'116342\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 09:57 AM\']
Dare I say it, could we see a return of Pyramid, and maybe, to pull one out of left field: High Rollers?? I kinda think HR may have that sorta Vegas appeal that's exploded in popularity over the last decade. Same could apply to TJW or (ack-hem) Card Sharks...
[/quote]

It may be too soon for "Pyramid" to come back.

I've long been in favor of doing "Gambit" and "HR" as an interconnected block--and Friedman's familiar with both shows from his days at H-Q--but the statement for now is that one of the shows will be a new format, which makes my idea unlikely for now.

And I may be wrong, but I've believed that Sony did acquire the "TJW" format, they only own the "TTD" programs made by B&E in the 70s and 80s and that NBC Universal owns the "TTD" format now.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: TLEberle on April 17, 2006, 12:23:06 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'116357\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 09:16 AM\']
It may be too soon for "Pyramid" to come back.[/quote]If they do it properly, I disagree. If they're just gonna screw it up again, why bother?
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Don Howard on April 17, 2006, 12:54:17 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'116357\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 12:16 PM\']
I've long been in favor of doing "Gambit" and "HR" as an interconnected block[/quote]
For a while in 1981, you could get both during a day's viewing of Las Vegas Gambit.
As for this proposed block for the season after next, it's like other game show-related announcements for network or syndicated television (remember all that stuff that was claimed to be in development due to the quiz show comeback of 1999-2000?) and alleged city renovation projects and sports teams who claim "this is the year" and certain web sites in the world of the internet that repeatedly promise updates and never get them: I'll believe it when I see it. Then and only then, the excitement will commence.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: reason1024 on April 17, 2006, 01:54:03 PM
Hmmm... prime time game shows... one classic, one new....

Based off the assumption it will be like the Jeopardy! / Monopoly hour, let's think about board games....

Aha!  

I predict:

7:00-7:30 Celebrity Jeopardy! Masters

7:30-8:00 The $1 Million Ants in the Pants / Cootie Challenge
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Brandon Brooks on April 17, 2006, 02:05:50 PM
[quote name=\'reason1024\' post=\'116368\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 12:54 PM\']
Hmmm... prime time game shows... one classic, one new....

Based off the assumption it will be like the Jeopardy! / Monopoly hour, let's think about board games....

Aha!  

I predict:

7:00-7:30 Celebrity Jeopardy! Masters

7:30-8:00 The $1 Million Ants in the Pants / Cootie Challenge
[/quote]
1.  Who said anything about "prime time?"
2.  Your attempt to make a "funi" is sad.

Brandon Brooks
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: MikeK on April 17, 2006, 02:28:39 PM
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'116336\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 10:33 AM\'][quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' post=\'116332\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 08:55 AM\']Given Deal's success in a short period of time, it wouldn't surprise me if Sony revived a similar show--Treasure Hunt.[/quote]
Oh.  Please.  No.[/quote]
I'm not saying I'd want Treasure Hunt to return but given the current big thing in games is Deal or No Deal, I wouldn't be surprised if Sony went with an existing, similar format.

Me?  I'd love to see Tic Tac Dough return.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: reason1024 on April 17, 2006, 04:50:26 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'116369\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 01:05 PM\']
[quote name=\'reason1024\' post=\'116368\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 12:54 PM\']
Hmmm... prime time game shows... one classic, one new....

Based off the assumption it will be like the Jeopardy! / Monopoly hour, let's think about board games....

Aha!  

I predict:

7:00-7:30 Celebrity Jeopardy! Masters

7:30-8:00 The $1 Million Ants in the Pants / Cootie Challenge
[/quote]
1.  Who said anything about "prime time?"
2.  Your attempt to make a "funi" is sad.

Brandon Brooks
[/quote]

Your retort is pathetic.  If you can't say anything nice, stick your head between your legs.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on April 17, 2006, 04:59:26 PM
[quote name=\'reason1024\' post=\'116391\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 03:50 PM\']
Your retort is pathetic.  
[/quote]
No, what was pathetic was your attempt at "humor".
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If you can't say anything nice, stick your head between your legs.
She did....last night.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on April 17, 2006, 05:18:42 PM
Okay, this thread couldn't have gone downhill any faster. C'mon, folks. Some of you, I expect better from.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: aaron sica on April 17, 2006, 05:28:15 PM
Trying to steer this thing back on track again.......

Like some of you, I would love to see a revival of either TJW or TTD. I'm not going to discuss how I think the show should be laid out, I would just like to see something that stays somewhat faithful to the original, but have some new twists as well.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: catkins522 on April 17, 2006, 05:31:45 PM
How about Super Password Plus Millionaire?

Charles
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: TimK2003 on April 17, 2006, 05:42:53 PM
[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' post=\'116312\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 12:20 AM\']

Is it time to be welcomed back to the game "where knowledge is king and lady luck is queen" ?

[/quote]

Nah, It's time to bring back a format that (as we all know) is a game of definitions!!!
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Strikerz04 on April 17, 2006, 06:45:13 PM
I'm going with the return of "Joker" myself, since it would make a little sense of capturing the magic of the card games and such.

I came close to saying "Chain Reaction", but seeing how that'll more than likely going to GSN (hopefully), we might as well wait it out and see what happens in either case.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Brandon Brooks on April 17, 2006, 08:01:51 PM
[quote name=\'reason1024\' post=\'116391\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 03:50 PM\']
Your retort is pathetic.
[/quote]
Likewise, see below.
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If you can't say anything nice, stick your head between your legs.
Okay, how about this...
1. Why would you think it's a primetime block?  Odds are probably that it isn't, unless it's going to go on the new network being created to counter the loss of UPN/WB.
2. The $1 Million Ants in the Pants / Cootie Challenge makes no sense.  Were you trying to be funny?  If you were, it really wasn't.

Branodn Brooks
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on April 17, 2006, 08:12:53 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'116421\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 05:01 PM\']
2. The $1 Million Ants in the Pants / Cootie Challenge makes no sense.  Were you trying to be funny?  If you were, it really wasn't.
[/quote]
Um. Monopoly is a board game. Ants In The Pants and Cootie are board games. I got the joke. I didn't laugh, but I got the joke. :)
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Brandon Brooks on April 17, 2006, 08:22:57 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'116424\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 07:12 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'116421\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 05:01 PM\']
2. The $1 Million Ants in the Pants / Cootie Challenge makes no sense.  Were you trying to be funny?  If you were, it really wasn't.
[/quote]
Um. Monopoly is a board game. Ants In The Pants and Cootie are board games. I got the joke. I didn't laugh, but I got the joke. :)
[/quote]
Never heard of either one. I recant then.

Brandon Brooks
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on April 17, 2006, 08:33:33 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'116427\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 05:22 PM\']
Never heard of either one. I recant then.
[/quote]
Clearly you were brought up on better board games than a lot of us were. ;)
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: dzinkin on April 17, 2006, 08:33:49 PM
"Take your stupid Ants in the Pants with you!" -- Eric Cartman
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Kevin Prather on April 17, 2006, 08:36:19 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'116430\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 05:33 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'116427\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 05:22 PM\']
Never heard of either one. I recant then.
[/quote]
Clearly you were brought up on better board games than a lot of us were. ;)
[/quote]
"Ants in the pants?" Yeesh. Whatever happened to good old-fashioned Backgammon? :)

I've still gotta learn that game...
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: PalCatIN on April 17, 2006, 08:38:26 PM
Since there's such an interest in Sudoku, perhaps they could make a game out of that, and "block" it with Scrabble.  I know I'd love to see it come back, especially if Chuch hosted.  While the Sudoku idea's not necessarily great, at least it's new, and hey, it's better than lots of other things that have been tried.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: aaron sica on April 17, 2006, 08:38:38 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'116430\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 08:33 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'116427\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 05:22 PM\']
Never heard of either one. I recant then.
[/quote]
Clearly you were brought up on better board games than a lot of us were. ;)
[/quote]

I'm wondering if it might be an age thing. Initially baffled that Brandon had not heard of either game, I asked a co-worker (who is around 20) and he'd heard of Ants in the Pants, but not Cootie.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on April 17, 2006, 08:52:25 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'116434\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 05:36 PM\']
"Ants in the pants?" Yeesh. Whatever happened to good old-fashioned Backgammon? :)

I've still gotta learn that game...
[/quote]
I love backgammon. Here (http://\"http://www.gnubg.org/index.php?itemid=21\") is a link to a really world-class backgammon program, if you want to learn. Just remember to set it to Really Freakin' Easy to start out. It kicks my ass on "Kindergartener." :)
[quote name=\'PalCatIN\' post=\'116435\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 05:38 PM\']
While the Sudoku idea's not necessarily great, at least it's new, and hey, it's better than lots of other things that have been tried.
[/quote]
Apparently it's been tried in the UK, and it pretty much ate ass.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on April 17, 2006, 08:55:33 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'116436\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 07:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'116430\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 08:33 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'116427\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 05:22 PM\']
Never heard of either one. I recant then.
[/quote]
Clearly you were brought up on better board games than a lot of us were. ;)
[/quote]

I'm wondering if it might be an age thing. Initially baffled that Brandon had not heard of either game, I asked a co-worker (who is around 20) and he'd heard of Ants in the Pants, but not Cootie.
[/quote]
I've played Cootie, but I have no idea what "Ants in the Pants" might be.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: MikeK on April 17, 2006, 08:57:58 PM
[quote name=\'PalCatIN\' post=\'116435\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 08:38 PM\']
Since there's such an interest in Sudoku, perhaps they could make a game out of that, and "block" it with Scrabble.  I know I'd love to see it come back, especially if Chuch hosted.  While the Sudoku idea's not necessarily great, at least it's new, and hey, it's better than lots of other things that have been tried.
[/quote]
It sounds good in theory but the execution will likely be horrible.  Put yourself in the seat of an average viewer.  As a viewer, would you be even slightly interested in seeing total strangers do sudoku puzzles?  There is a possible plus to a sudoku format--it *might* make for a decent interactive game...

...even though you could go to any of hundreds or thousands of sites to get the same experience.

Edit not worthy of its own reply:  In addition to Cootie, Don't Spill the Beans, and Ants in the Pants, there was a fourth game--Don't Break the Ice.  My five-year-old cousin loves that game, especially when he beats me. >:O  He's in for some fierce revenge when he's a teenager and he thinks he'll kick my ass in Trivial Pursuit. :-)
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: BrandonFG on April 17, 2006, 08:59:09 PM
I remember both, and a third one "Don't Spill the Beans", which I actually had. The only one I remember how to play is "Beans"

ObGameShow: A TJW/TTD hour would be freakin' sweet.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: narzo on April 17, 2006, 09:46:03 PM
In an attempt to pull this back on topic (which probably won't work) what about getting the rights to some foreign shows since they seem to be playing well here?  I would submit they get the rights to "Temptation" or, the game I can't stop playing on its hand-held version, "Countdown".  I refuse to believe a good producer couldn't take that format into something Americans would watch.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Kevin Prather on April 17, 2006, 10:09:07 PM
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' post=\'116443\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 05:57 PM\']
It sounds good in theory but the execution will likely be horrible.  Put yourself in the seat of an average viewer.  As a viewer, would you be even slightly interested in seeing total strangers do sudoku puzzles?  There is a possible plus to a sudoku format--it *might* make for a decent interactive game...
[/quote]
Meh, maybe someday Poker'll become passe, and you'll start seeing the World Series of Sudoku played for $10 million (1.179 billion yen.)

Then again, who'd pay $10,000 to plau Sudoku? :)
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Clay Zambo on April 17, 2006, 10:25:08 PM
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' post=\'116372\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 02:28 PM\']
I'm not saying I'd want Treasure Hunt to return but given the current big thing in games is Deal or No Deal, I wouldn't be surprised if Sony went with an existing, similar format.
[/quote]

Point taken.  But then why not go to the mothership itself and do LMaD?

Quote
Me?  I'd love to see Tic Tac Dough return.

Fine by me.  Something that involves a little skill wouldn't be the worst thing ever... :)
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Fedya on April 17, 2006, 10:59:41 PM
Not that they have the rights, but I'd love to see Blockbusters return.

As for the original, they could always do a show based on mah-jongg.  ;-)
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Kevin Prather on April 17, 2006, 11:09:50 PM
Let's see. What hasn't been mentioned yet? ...How about The Million-Dollar Marble Masters? ;-)
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: calliaume on April 17, 2006, 11:24:44 PM
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' post=\'116443\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 07:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'PalCatIN\' post=\'116435\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 08:38 PM\']
Since there's such an interest in Sudoku, perhaps they could make a game out of that, and "block" it with Scrabble.  I know I'd love to see it come back, especially if Chuch hosted.  While the Sudoku idea's not necessarily great, at least it's new, and hey, it's better than lots of other things that have been tried.
[/quote]
It sounds good in theory but the execution will likely be horrible.  Put yourself in the seat of an average viewer.  As a viewer, would you be even slightly interested in seeing total strangers do sudoku puzzles?  There is a possible plus to a sudoku format--it *might* make for a decent interactive game...
[/quote]

It's already been tried, remember (http://\"http://datelinehollywood.com/archives/2006/01/03/celebrity-sudoku-game-show-a-ratings-flop/\")?

Ba-doom-cheesh!  Thank you, I'll be here all week.

Seriously, there are some games that won't work on television without radical restructuring, and Sudoku's tops on that list.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: ilb4ever2000 on April 18, 2006, 03:02:49 AM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'116357\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 12:16 PM\']
And I may be wrong, but I've believed that Sony did acquire the "TJW" format, they only own the "TTD" programs made by B&E in the 70s and 80s and that NBC Universal owns the "TTD" format now.
[/quote]

Sony did acquire the TJW format (previously owned by Jack Barry's estate, not part of the B&E catalog) and even made a mobile phone game out of it. NBC still owns the TTD format (and Dough-Re-Mi, too):

http://nbcislb.console.net/printcat.cgi?se...subsection=game (http://\"http://nbcislb.console.net/printcat.cgi?section=formats&subsection=game\")
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Ian Wallis on April 18, 2006, 09:03:34 AM
Quote
Sony did acquire the TJW format (previously owned by Jack Barry's estate, not part of the B&E catalog) and even made a mobile phone game out of it. NBC still owns the TTD format (and Dough-Re-Mi, too):

Does anyone else still wonder why GSN was allowed to show Tic Tac Dough, but not Concentration, especially since both are still owned by NBC?  I know some discussion on this topic has come up before, but I can't remember if there ever was a definitive answer.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: zachhoran on April 18, 2006, 09:28:12 AM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'116486\' date=\'Apr 18 2006, 09:03 AM\']
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Sony did acquire the TJW format (previously owned by Jack Barry's estate, not part of the B&E catalog) and even made a mobile phone game out of it. NBC still owns the TTD format (and Dough-Re-Mi, too):

Does anyone else still wonder why GSN was allowed to show Tic Tac Dough, but not Concentration, especially since both are still owned by NBC?  I know some discussion on this topic has come up before, but I can't remember if there ever was a definitive answer.
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Sony owned the 1978-86 episodes of TTD. Perhaps NBC got the rights to TTD back from B&E or Enright's estate at some point later. Concentration  was owned by NBC since c. 1960, G-T was hired to oversee the later two versions of the show.
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Post by: jrjgames on April 18, 2006, 11:34:21 AM
Everyone is talking about the revival, but I'm really interested in the original idea...I wonder what they have cooked up.

John
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: MSTieScott on April 18, 2006, 12:08:36 PM
I love Tic Tac Dough, but I just don't see it ever coming back -- it's too slowly-paced for today's audiences. The show stands still for a few seconds after every shuffle while the contestant determines which box to pick. Add to it the fact that it's just straight trivia... the only reason Jeopardy! gets away with straight trivia is because a) it's an established part of the TV landscape and b) they play about 60 questions per episode.

The Joker's Wild, maybe... people love slot machines and it doesn't take as long to pick a category after each spin. Would you all be comfortable with a version of The Joker's Wild where the contestants and the audience yell raucously at the screens during each spin?

This does sound like a preemptive strike against Deal or No Deal, and that they themselves aren't sure which shows they'll be trying.

--
Scott Robinson
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: TLEberle on April 18, 2006, 12:38:41 PM
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'116510\' date=\'Apr 18 2006, 09:08 AM\']
I love Tic Tac Dough, but I just don't see it ever coming back -- it's too slowly-paced for today's audiences. [/quote] If other game shows would slow the hell down and not try and cram all of their gameplay into ten minutes, shows like Tic Tac Dough could come back. Not that TTD would be my first choice anyhow, but if we're casting out ideas because they move too slowly...perhaps it's the audience that needs a re-education, and not the other way around.

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The show stands still for a few seconds after every shuffle while the contestant determines which box to pick. Add to it the fact that it's just straight trivia... the only reason Jeopardy! gets away with straight trivia is because a) it's an established part of the TV landscape and b) they play about 60 questions per episode.
By that point, then, no quiz show would ever be on television because they all move too slowly. Jeopardy! is an interesting game, and it used to have challenging material. It does well because it works on all levels.

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The Joker's Wild, maybe... people love slot machines and it doesn't take as long to pick a category after each spin. Would you all be comfortable with a version of The Joker's Wild where the contestants and the audience yell raucously at the screens during each spin?
Yes. It's insulting that a classic format should have to mold itself to fit in today's landscape like that. If today's audiences have to have constant applause and yelling all the time...then boo on them for being so impatient. I wouldn't even tinker with the format, because it's supposed to be about the luck of the wheels.
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Post by: DoorNumberFour on April 18, 2006, 03:31:33 PM
[quote name=\'Strikerz04\' post=\'116411\' date=\'Apr 17 2006, 06:45 PM\']
Life is like a deck of cards, and all I've gotten were Jokers.
[/quote]
Oh, don't you worry.

Remember.

Every Joker you draw increases your chances of winning that fabulous Renault convertible.
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Post by: gsgalaxy82 on April 18, 2006, 06:31:43 PM
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'116510\' date=\'Apr 18 2006, 12:08 PM\']
I love Tic Tac Dough, but I just don't see it ever coming back -- it's too slowly-paced for today's audiences. The show stands still for a few seconds after every shuffle while the contestant determines which box to pick. Add to it the fact that it's just straight trivia... the only reason Jeopardy! gets away with straight trivia is because a) it's an established part of the TV landscape and b) they play about 60 questions per episode.
[/quote]

Scott's just mad he wouldn't get to host this time :) (Fpr those who don't know, we both worked on a version of that here at CMU)

As for my opinion, I wouldn't be surprised to see H2 come back. Not saying it'll definitely happen, but it might. There's so many possibilities, it may be too early to speculate. We shall see.

David
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Post by: Neumms on April 18, 2006, 07:16:41 PM
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'116510\' date=\'Apr 18 2006, 11:08 AM\']
I love Tic Tac Dough, but I just don't see it ever coming back -- it's too slowly-paced for today's audiences. T
Scott Robinson
[/quote]


Given how they kept adding the goofy orange squares, it was apparently too slowly paced for late 80s audiences.

One thing that might help TTD or Joker's Wild (which I'd rather see) is if they simply wrote shorter questions, more like Trivial Pursuit length. Or they could get clever writers and make them like "You Don't Know Jack." (The computer version, not Pee-Wee's.) Of course, it would make things more interesting if the questions weren't third grade level.
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on April 18, 2006, 07:55:02 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'116556\' date=\'Apr 18 2006, 06:16 PM\']
Given how they kept adding the goofy orange squares, it was apparently too slowly paced for late 80s audiences.
[/quote]
As Jim Caldwell reminded you oh so diligently, those were red squares.

Brandon Brooks
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Post by: Neumms on April 18, 2006, 07:58:00 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'116564\' date=\'Apr 18 2006, 06:55 PM\']
As Jim Caldwell reminded you oh so diligently, those were red squares.
[/quote]

Oh, my mistake. I must have adjusted my T.V. to take down the glare on Jim's teeth.

Gosh, maybe they'll bring back Top Card!
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Post by: That Don Guy on April 18, 2006, 10:17:09 PM
If it's going to be a classic and an original...

Here's a classic nobody has mentioned yet: What's My Line?.  (I was going to say Name That Tune, but a daily version might get old quickly - they can't make the range of music too great as nobody knows enough about the different styles from the past few decades, and if they limit it to a specific genre, only those fans would bother watching it.)
Then again, it's probably yet another version of TTTT - and is IGAS still on Oxygen?  (IGAS is better in weekly doses with big-name celebrities at the end of each show.)

Original...what hasn't been done yet...
Here's a "sort of original" idea: Spin-Off, but (a) use real dice rolled down a ramp "Let 'Em Roll"-style, and (b) played a little more like Gambit (no "three roll limit", you can reroll more than one die at a time (except that once a couple freezes, the other couple must "set aside" at least one die per roll), and instead of the high dice winning money, make it a straight two-out-of-three, or most games in 20 minutes if there's no straddling).
(I understand there was a TV version of Yahtzee, but I never saw it; how close was what I described to that?)

How about a variation on Friend or Foe with, say, five players in the end game - the catch is, if one person says Foe, that person not only gets all of the money, but it doubles; however, if more than one says Foe, they get nothing and the Friends get it all.  (Think about it - you're probably more likely to get nothing with Foe than with Friend, so most players would say Friend, but how many think they would be the only one to say Foe?)

However, if you want a truly original idea, how about a game show based (loosely) on The Settlers of Catan?  

-- Don
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on April 18, 2006, 10:21:39 PM
[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'116572\' date=\'Apr 18 2006, 09:17 PM\']
Then again, it's probably yet another version of TTTT - and is IGAS still on Oxygen?  (IGAS is better in weekly doses with big-name celebrities at the end of each show.)
[/quote]
A new version debuted on GSN last night.
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Post by: clemon79 on April 18, 2006, 10:45:02 PM
[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'116572\' date=\'Apr 18 2006, 07:17 PM\']
However, if you want a truly original idea, how about a game show based (loosely) on The Settlers of Catan?  
[/quote]
I'm a big fan of German board games.

That said, if you can come up with an interesting game show based on Catan that isn't hopelessly confusing to the viewers, I'll eat a hat.
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Post by: trainman on April 18, 2006, 11:53:08 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'116574\' date=\'Apr 18 2006, 07:45 PM\']That said, if you can come up with an interesting game show based on Catan that isn't hopelessly confusing to the viewers, I'll eat a hat.
[/quote]

And in the current regulatory climate, will the FCC allow the phrase "I've got wood for sheep" to be said on TV?
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Post by: BrandonFG on April 19, 2006, 12:17:18 AM
I just tried to read the Catan rules on Wikipedia. It sounds like it could have a lot of potential, but I have a feeling that the rules would have to be watered down to the point where you've drowned them. :-P

Then again, maybe it's just one of those games where all the reading in the world is not going to make you understand. I had the same problem when I read the rules to "Lingo" and D/ND. The latter's rules can't get ANY simpler.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on April 19, 2006, 12:23:55 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'116580\' date=\'Apr 18 2006, 09:17 PM\']
I just tried to read the Catan rules on Wikipedia. It sounds like it could have a lot of potential, but I have a feeling that the rules would have to be watered down to the point where you've drowned them. :-P
[/quote]
That's part of my point. It's not a hard game, but making it into something Joe Average could follow while still maintaining the spirit of the game would be damned near impossible. Look what they had to do to Monopoly, fer God's sake.
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Post by: Clay Zambo on April 19, 2006, 07:53:41 AM
How 'bout Celebrity Snits Revenge?

And, Don--your Spin Off idea is nothing like Yahtzee.  For starters, it's not complete and utter crap.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: GSmaniac on April 19, 2006, 09:25:33 AM
Sale Of The 21st Century, anybody?
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Jimmy Owen on April 19, 2006, 10:01:01 AM
"The Big Showdown."  And why not make the initial Show Down roll worth a million?  If you go by the stats on the original show, it would be given away just twice in 26 weeks.  

I read at http://www.worldscreen.com/newscurrent.php...llenge41206.htm (http://\"http://www.worldscreen.com/newscurrent.php?filename=challenge41206.htm\") that a show called "Take It or Leave It" is being piloted for Britain, probably has no connection to the old radio show, and I would guess would be an answer to DoND.

(Second paragraph edited from original to add link to story and further info.)
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Post by: clemon79 on April 19, 2006, 10:12:28 AM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'116588\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 07:01 AM\']
"The Big Showdown."  And why not make the initial Show Down roll worth a million?  If you go by the stats on the original show, it would be given away just twice in 26 weeks.  
[/quote]
And if you go by probability (which is what your insurer is going to look at when determining your premium), assuming a five-a-week strip, you're coughing up once every seven weeks or so.

(Do I even have to mention what a weekly premium on a million-dollar payout on what amounts to basically a one-in-seven shot would look like?)

My, but spending other people's money is fun!
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I read somewhere that a show called "Take It or Leave It" is being piloted, probably has no connection to the old radio show, and I would guess would be an answer to DoND.
If that's so, and it makes it to air, and at ANY POINT it has the host offering a contestant a lesser prize to quit the game, asking them if they want to "Take It Or Leave It", I'd like to think it would get laughed off the air as being completely derivative.

Unfortunately, I don't have that much confidence in the American viewing public.
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Post by: wheelloon on April 19, 2006, 10:15:06 AM
Well, if we're gonna just pull out any game show that we think could have a go in syndication, not taking into account if Sony/KW have the rights to the format or not, how about PYL, non-GSN inspired of course...

If you needed to cut down on air time, make the first round 3 questions instead of 4, have no big bank, but do allow returning champions for an extended period. 5 days max on the show seems reasonable to me.

I'd love to see PYL return with about twice as much money at stake (maybe have a max of $10k+spin in round 2?) and maybe a PT Cruiser offered as a prize in the final round. The average win each day would then probably be around $25k. Plus, you could have the same audiences that attend DoND cheer and scream and holler their bloody heads off when someone nails BIG BUCKS in round 2.

Just my opinion, take it or leave it...
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Post by: tyshaun1 on April 19, 2006, 11:44:07 AM
[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'116590\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 10:15 AM\']
I'd love to see PYL return with about twice as much money at stake (maybe have a max of $10k+spin in round 2?) and maybe a PT Cruiser offered as a prize in the final round. The average win each day would then probably be around $25k. Plus, you could have the same audiences that attend DoND cheer and scream and holler their bloody heads off when someone nails BIG BUCKS in round 2.

Just my opinion, take it or leave it...
[/quote]

A PT cruiser? Ummmm, yeah.

Anyway, it's not going to make much of a difference if you add more money to a show like PYL, especially considering that the main draw of the show for Joe Blow was watching people actually lose all their money. There are several other factors that have to come into place for it to really work, mainly the right host (which does matter as GSN proved), the large, flashy set as Mr. Lemon said previously, and the "slightly" off contestants who we're able to root for or against without being obnoxious (see Skyler).

IMO, if KW/Sony were to revive a show, I'd go along with TTD with Wink at the helm again..... he's already made himself known again from those Orbitz commercials, plus the format serves itself well against Jeopardy!, but I'd scrap the "Beat The Dragon" round for something closer related to the main game.

Tyshaun
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Post by: clemon79 on April 19, 2006, 11:49:09 AM
[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'116594\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 08:44 AM\']
and the "slightly" off contestants who we're able to root for or against without being obnoxious (see Skyler).
[/quote]
I for one could go the rest of my life without seeing a contestant LIKE Skyler Stone on a game show, like, ever again.

While I realize I myself have a strong personality, I don't feel the need to see someone with an urge to steal the spotlight from the game.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on April 19, 2006, 12:15:26 PM
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There are several other factors that have to come into place for it to really work, mainly the right host (which does matter as GSN proved), the large, flashy set as Mr. Lemon said previously,


Re. PYL - maybe we're in luck then.  At least they'll have the set - the one which has been rebuilt for the upcoming Game Show Marathon (can't wait until it actually airs!)  Quite likely any of the shows on GSM could be revived as a weekly strip.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on April 19, 2006, 12:31:08 PM
In my post about bringing back "The Big Showdown," I only mentioned a million because that seems to be the current "magic number" to get a show sold. Plus, the top prize was given away only twice out of 130 or so shows.  128 times it was not won, but it was always possible. Heck, I'd like TBS back even if they made the bonus roll for $10.00.  Of course, that would not be any kind of incentive for anyone to go on the show.

Prizes for game shows should not exceed the prize budgets for game shows, but I figure a big company like Sony might be able to kick in the cash.  If they gave away 80 million dollars in prize money in the first 80 shows that would be slightly under the budget of Sony's current Pink Panther movie.  The revenue from the spots would be the means by which to get a return on the investment, and the rest is gravy.
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Post by: clemon79 on April 19, 2006, 01:08:10 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'116599\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 09:31 AM\']
Plus, the top prize was given away only twice out of 130 or so shows.  128 times it was not won, but it was always possible.
[/quote]
Which, again, means not a damned thing to the people who insure against such things.

"It should happen once in 36 shows. Here's your quote."

"B-b-b-b-b-but it only happened twice in 130 shows in the 70's! You should charge based on that!"

"Get the hell out of my office."
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Post by: Monarx on April 19, 2006, 01:23:26 PM
They could always use 20-sided dice...
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on April 19, 2006, 01:35:31 PM
Well, maybe it's not doable in this form.  To me, it seemed like an almost impossible task to win $10,000, but it appears it was more likely to happen than it did.  Maybe decrease the odds with a bonus round where a person would have to roll Show Down three consecutive times to win the million.
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Post by: clemon79 on April 19, 2006, 01:40:57 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'116606\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 10:35 AM\']
Maybe decrease the odds with a bonus round where a person would have to roll Show Down three consecutive times to win the million.
[/quote]
...aaaaand you've just turned an event likely to happen once every seven weeks into one likely to happen once every 179.45 YEARS.

(Incidentally, before you even suggest it, making it two consecutive Showdowns reduces the odds to a comparatively-more-reasonable-but-still-idiotic once in 4.98 years.)
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on April 19, 2006, 01:54:29 PM
[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'116590\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 09:15 AM\']
and maybe a PT Cruiser offered as a prize in the final round. [/quote]
If you want a compacted hearse, sure.  Side note: My mother bought one last year.  No one in the family likes it.
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Plus, you could have the same audiences that attend DoND cheer and scream and holler their bloody heads off when someone nails BIG BUCKS in round 2.
Why the hell would you want this?
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Post by: TLEberle on April 19, 2006, 02:56:33 PM
I find it amusing that the instant "New game show block!" hit the press, everyone has picked their pony and tried to update it for today. If "The Big Showdown" needs a $1 million carrot, just add a third die with the word "Big" in place of the six. "Big Showdown" wins $1 million, and you're looking at a 215:1 shot. Pay me $5,000 and I'll back that for a year of production.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on April 19, 2006, 03:44:44 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'116610\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 11:56 AM\']
If "The Big Showdown" needs a $1 million carrot, just add a third die with the word "Big" in place of the six. "Big Showdown" wins $1 million, and you're looking at a 215:1 shot. Pay me $55,000 and I'll back that for a year of production.
[/quote]
See, this makes a little more sense.

Maybe you make "SHOW DOWN" worth $10K, "BIG DOWN" worth nothing, and "BIG SHOW" worth a chokeslam. :)

/Weeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll...
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Post by: Neumms on April 19, 2006, 03:52:56 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'116610\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 01:56 PM\']
If "The Big Showdown" needs a $1 million carrot, just add a third die with the word "Big" in place of the six. "Big Showdown" wins $1 million, and you're looking at a 215:1 shot.
[/quote]

What would be great is if the new show aired against "Jeopardy." If they could somehow plan the dice-rolling segment to come right during the extra long commercial break before "Final Jeopardy," then by flipping back and forth you'd have a really exciting half-hour.

I say they should bring back "Dotto."
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Post by: aaron sica on April 19, 2006, 04:01:19 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'116614\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 03:44 PM\']
Maybe you make "SHOW DOWN" worth $10K, "BIG DOWN" worth nothing, and "BIG SHOW" worth a chokeslam. :)
[/quote]

Award this man the line of the day!
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Jay Temple on April 19, 2006, 05:31:29 PM
On the question of whether it's too soon to revive Pyramid: 20K had been off the air for less than a year when 50K came on. It lasted all of, what, 22 weeks? Then again, that version had been off the air for only a little more than a year when CBS' 25K debuted, and it ran for five years plus! The lesson, if there is one, is that it's not too soon if it's done right. (We've had the discussion of what "done right" entails many times, and it's not worth restarting here.)

Assuming that the TJW/TTD combo is basically the 70's shows adjusted for inflation, the only thing I wouldn't like is that the bonus rounds are too similar.

Does anyone think one of the versions of Play the Percentages could work?
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on April 19, 2006, 08:04:03 PM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'116622\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 05:31 PM\']Does anyone think one of the versions of Play the Percentages could work?[/quote]
I think in theory, there's a solid idea behind a quiz game in which the questions have been tested by a sample group and you get more points for answering questions that fewer people knew.  Still, there wasn't a version of PtP I enjoyed.
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Post by: BrandonFG on April 19, 2006, 09:00:22 PM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'116622\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 05:31 PM\']
Assuming that the TJW/TTD combo is basically the 70's shows adjusted for inflation, the only thing I wouldn't like is that the bonus rounds are too similar.
[/quote]
A few years ago, there was a TTD revival idea thread, where I suggested making it so the contestant has about :30 to get tic-tac-toe by answering questions (maybe true/false), simply cross the board kinda like the Gold Run/Rush from Blockbusters*. Get three-in-a-row, you win the prize package or some money (for something this simple, no more than $10,000 and that's honestly too much IMODO). If you don't do so, you get $100 or $250 for each correct answer.

*Of course there's obvious differences b/w this and BB, but the cross the board format is the essence I'm going for...
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Post by: calliaume on April 19, 2006, 09:44:06 PM
I think I must have mentioned here at some point -- either by Ron Greenburg himself, or by Randy Amasia after contacting Mr. Greenburg -- that TBS was pitched for a revival by DC/RG productions in the early '90s, with no takers.

Me, I'm still puzzling over what shows NBC would put on Saturday nights for a three-hour block (Let's Make a Deal, Sale of the Century, Split Second...).
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Don Howard on April 20, 2006, 01:28:30 AM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'116622\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 05:31 PM\']
Assuming that the TJW/TTD combo is basically the 70's shows adjusted for inflation, the only thing I wouldn't like is that the bonus rounds are too similar.
[/quote]
Neither of those shows really needs a bonus round.
Tic Tac Dough especially didn't need one.
"You've just won $7700 for winning in an exciting series of tie games. Now let's face the dragon for an extra thou plus an assortment of prizes you neither need nor want. Smile and jog on over!!"
The Joker's Wild also doesn't need one--definitions be damned. Reinstitute the Joker's Jackpot format and spin the wheels.
As for Play The Percentages, that show was perfectly fine during its first week before all the rule putzing began.
And to make our fantasy complete, Todd Newton will host TTD, Pat O'Brien will helm TJW while Tom Snyder will emcee PtP. I shall announce on all three.
Alert NATPE.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Strikerz04 on April 20, 2006, 03:30:23 AM
I've got a hankering for putting $25,000 in a planeful of snakes. and you know what I'll call it...


"snakes on a [$25,000] plane"


(and no, I'm not smoking rocks tonight. thank you.)
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Ian Wallis on April 20, 2006, 09:01:17 AM
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The Joker's Wild also doesn't need one--definitions be damned. Reinstitute the Joker's Jackpot format and spin the wheels.


If we're going by the "classic" version, I thought the bonus round was necessary - especially the second one.  While I like the idea of the Joker's Jackpot, contestants did have to risk their game winnings to go on.  Maybe a good fit would be the Joker's Jackpot format of the first year, along with the second (money and devils) bonus game.  That way, if a contestant lost they'd still have a little cash from the bonus rounds.  I'd also increase the amount of wins needed to win the Jackpot to five.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on April 20, 2006, 09:30:01 AM
[quote name=\'Strikerz04\' post=\'116644\' date=\'Apr 20 2006, 12:30 AM\']
I've got a hankering for putting $25,000 in a planeful of snakes. and you know what I'll call it...
"snakes on a [$25,000] plane"
(and no, I'm not smoking rocks tonight. thank you.)
[/quote]
That might have been the most labored effort to get in a Snakes On A Plane reference that I have ever seen.

And yet, I giggled. :)

/"We're back! And once again, here's your host, Samuel L.!"
//"Thanks, motherf***er."
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: GS Warehouse on April 20, 2006, 04:42:43 PM
[quote name=\'Strikerz04\' post=\'116644\' date=\'Apr 20 2006, 03:30 AM\']
I've got a hankering for putting $25,000 in a planeful of snakes. and you know what I'll call it...


"snakes on a [$25,000] plane"[/quote]
That show already exists.  It's called Fear Factor, and you didn't mention they have to eat the snakes' reproductive organs too.

Realistically, I think Sony's first choice will be The Newlywed Game.  There's always an audience for double-entendres, and they can make a big promotion out of Bob Eubanks hosting the same format for a fifth consecutive decade.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: TimK2003 on April 20, 2006, 08:02:02 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'116599\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 11:31 AM\']
In my post about bringing back "The Big Showdown," I only mentioned a million because that seems to be the current "magic number" to get a show sold. Plus, the top prize was given away only twice out of 130 or so shows.  128 times it was not won, but it was always possible. Heck, I'd like TBS back even if they made the bonus roll for $10.00.  Of course, that would not be any kind of incentive for anyone to go on the show.
[/quote]


Here's a way to incorporate a $1M prize for TBS:

A roll of SHOW and DOWN on the first attempt gives them $10K.

The contestant may elect to keep the $10K, or give it up for a second roll:

 A SHOW and DOWN on the second roll would give them $1,000,000 (nearly the same longshot odds as a perfect win in Plinko).

 If the contestant rolls anything else, take the point total of the dice and multiply it by $1,000  (contestant could win anywhere from $1,000 to $10,000)...Multiply the point roll total by *$5000* if either SHOW or DOWN is rolled (now contestant has a shot to win up to $25,000).

If a contestant does not roll SHOW and DOWN on the first roll, the bonus game then plays the same as the original game ($5,000 top prize + $250 for each time the payoff point is rolled).

Well within the budget, and there is a risk factor involved should a contestant nail SHOWDOWN on their first roll.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Strikerz04 on April 20, 2006, 08:33:13 PM
[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' post=\'116681\' date=\'Apr 20 2006, 03:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'Strikerz04\' post=\'116644\' date=\'Apr 20 2006, 03:30 AM\']
I've got a hankering for putting $25,000 in a planeful of snakes. and you know what I'll call it...


"snakes on a [$25,000] plane"[/quote]
That show already exists.  It's called Fear Factor, and you didn't mention they have to eat the snakes' reproductive organs too.

[/quote]

I'm not a fan of Fear factor, you see, that's why I've neglected to even mention it. Hell, for all I care, I can make it "The $25,000 snakes on a plane", but whatever. Get Sam Jackson (mmmmmmmmmmmmm-mmmm!) to host, a couple of the Deal models to be the stewardesses, and some guy to pilot the damn thing.
And no, you don't have to eat the snakes, you just have to sit on a trans-atlantic flight with a planeful of posionous ones. Object's simple: You don't die, you win $25,000 (or $50K during sweeps month). =p

Realistically, I'd put my vote in for Ceasar's Challenge since I think its a little underrated in the 90's, and it would fit into the glitz of Vegas.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on April 20, 2006, 08:45:02 PM
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'116697\' date=\'Apr 20 2006, 05:02 PM\']
Here's a way to incorporate a $1M prize for TBS:
[/quote]
First, I think you should be the one to walk out on stage and explain this thing to a thoroughly confused viewership.

That said: again, your million pays off once every 4.98 YEARS. And THAT assumes that everyone who hits the 10K goes for it.

Should the person hit the 1 in 36 shot, 10 of the 36 possible combinations (if I worked it out right) on that second roll DON'T lose them money. Three of those 10 are break-even, as well. And the main incentive for trying, it bears repeating, only pays off ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS.
Quote
Well within the budget, and there is a risk factor involved should a contestant nail SHOWDOWN on their first roll.
I'll say.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: PYLclark86 on April 20, 2006, 09:27:43 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'116640\' date=\'Apr 20 2006, 01:28 AM\']
"You've just won $7700 for winning in an exciting series of tie games. Now let's face the dragon for an extra thou plus an assortment of prizes you neither need nor want. Smile and jog on over!!"
[/quote]

HEY! Don't be dissin' The Dessert of the Month Club and The Sharper Image 50th Anniversary Catalog! :)

BTW, does The Big Showdown really need a $1M payoff? Perhaps up the payoffs to $25K for the first roll ShowDown and $10K for a ShowDown after that to offset inflation.

I'd honestly like to see Temptation/$ale of the Century brought back, but that would be Fremantle and not Sony. Pity.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: ChuckNet on April 22, 2006, 05:11:35 PM
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H2's ratings did not improve in the post-Whoopi era, so I wouldn't say it was starting to catch on when it was axed.

Really? Thought I read that H2's ratings were improving following Whoopi's departure...IIRC, the ratings plummet coincided w/her final season and the intro of that God-awful 60-sec. Q&A endgame.

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: tvwxman on April 22, 2006, 05:22:50 PM
[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' post=\'116814\' date=\'Apr 22 2006, 05:11 PM\']
Quote
H2's ratings did not improve in the post-Whoopi era, so I wouldn't say it was starting to catch on when it was axed.

Really? Thought I read that H2's ratings were improving following Whoopi's departure...IIRC, the ratings plummet coincided w/her final season and the intro of that God-awful 60-sec. Q&A endgame.
[/quote]
A brillllliant move : "Hey, we're going to ignore the celebrities and the jokes and make Hollywood Squares a big money trivia show!"

And, in answer to the ratings question : They really didn't go up during the final 2 years, but rather, leveled off....When they slashed the bonus round for year 6, the overall profit margin for the show went up, cause the spending budget went down...

But in the land of nielsen, no one cares about the profit margin only. Otherwise, What's My Line would be still on at 10:30pm
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Neumms on April 22, 2006, 06:20:53 PM
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'116697\' date=\'Apr 20 2006, 07:02 PM\']
 A SHOW and DOWN on the second roll would give them $1,000,000 (nearly the same longshot odds as a perfect win in Plinko).
[/quote]

This sparked an idea--take the front game from Big Showdown and have the winner play Plinko. People on the street have heard of that.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on April 22, 2006, 06:43:41 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'116816\' date=\'Apr 22 2006, 03:20 PM\']
This sparked an idea--take the front game from Big Showdown and have the winner play Plinko. People on the street have heard of that.
[/quote]
I'm thinking you're sparking something else if you think that's really a good idea. ;)
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Don Howard on April 23, 2006, 11:55:45 AM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'116816\' date=\'Apr 22 2006, 06:20 PM\']
This sparked an idea--take the front game from Big Showdown and have the winner play Plinko. People on the street have heard of that.
[/quote]
They've also heard of diaper rash.
Pair The Big Showdown with The Who, What Or Where Game.
We could do far worse than The Greenberg Hour.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: wheelloon on April 23, 2006, 04:41:36 PM
Question, does anybody have any REAL idea when Sony/KW will announce what these 2 games are, and when they will go searching for contestants?

Also, would it seem to be an appropriate guess that, if these two shows do make for the next season, they will premiere the same week as the new seasons of WOF and J!?
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Jimmy Owen on April 23, 2006, 05:06:50 PM
[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'116854\' date=\'Apr 23 2006, 04:41 PM\']
Question, does anybody have any REAL idea when Sony/KW will announce what these 2 games are, and when they will go searching for contestants?

Also, would it seem to be an appropriate guess that, if these two shows do make for the next season, they will premiere the same week as the new seasons of WOF and J!?
[/quote]

What's the hurry?  The shows won't be on until fall 2007. They've got a year and a half to iron out the details.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: NickS on April 23, 2006, 05:27:06 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'116856\' date=\'Apr 23 2006, 04:06 PM\']
[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'116854\' date=\'Apr 23 2006, 04:41 PM\']
Question, does anybody have any REAL idea when Sony/KW will announce what these 2 games are, and when they will go searching for contestants?

Also, would it seem to be an appropriate guess that, if these two shows do make for the next season, they will premiere the same week as the new seasons of WOF and J!?
[/quote]

What's the hurry?  The shows won't be on until fall 2007. They've got a year and a half to iron out the details.
[/quote]

The hurry is that with distributors going for renewals, etc. and with NBC deciding to launch Deal for '07, Sony's trying to strike while the iron is hot.

King World likes to get its stuff wrapped up early, too, so they've got that going for them as well.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Jimmy Owen on April 23, 2006, 05:32:01 PM
Let's hope the iron is still hot a year and a half from now.  The pessimist in me doesn't think these shows will ever air.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: BrandonFG on April 23, 2006, 07:30:43 PM
I acknowledge this is all speculation and that I need some sleep, but my $.02

FWIW, I just found an ATGS article from Feb. 97 speculating on Hollywood Squares (a *Planet* Hollywood Squares project), and that turned out okay, considering HS didn't premiere til Sept. 98.

Maybe KW is trying to get everything ironed out for NATPE...I know it's nine months off, just sayin...
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Brig Bother on April 24, 2006, 06:58:58 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'116589\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 03:12 PM\']

If that's so, and it makes it to air, and at ANY POINT it has the host offering a contestant a lesser prize to quit the game, asking them if they want to "Take It Or Leave It", I'd like to think it would get laughed off the air as being completely derivative.

Unfortunately, I don't have that much confidence in the American viewing public.
[/quote]

You may find this illuminating. (http://\"http://www.bothersbar.co.uk/weekendspecials/takeitorleaveit.htm\")


[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'116626\' date=\'Apr 20 2006, 01:04 AM\']
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'116622\' date=\'Apr 19 2006, 05:31 PM\']Does anyone think one of the versions of Play the Percentages could work?[/quote]
I think in theory, there's a solid idea behind a quiz game in which the questions have been tested by a sample group and you get more points for answering questions that fewer people knew.  Still, there wasn't a version of PtP I enjoyed.
[/quote]

We've done this already. (http://\"http://www.ukgameshows.com/index.php/Beat_the_Nation\")

Keep up!
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on April 24, 2006, 09:33:46 AM
[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'116888\' date=\'Apr 24 2006, 03:58 AM\']
You may find this illuminating. (http://\"http://www.bothersbar.co.uk/weekendspecials/takeitorleaveit.htm\")
[/quote]
I do, thank you!

It's at least _different_ enough, although I can't say the concept of the first nine questions being irrelevant and the entire game resting on the tenth one fills me with a warm fuzzy feeling. But I'm also assuming that it will make it to our shores with that format, which is not a safe assumption at all.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Steve McClellan on April 24, 2006, 11:15:43 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Apr 24 2006, 06:33 AM\']But I'm also assuming that it will make it to our shores with that format, which is not a safe assumption at all.[/quote]
Especially since even the Italian version doesn't bear a whole lot of resemblance to the Dutch. As far as I can tell from this (http://\"http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gameshowkult.de%2Fmallo.htm&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en\") Google translation, here's how Italy's goes:

This is a game played by only one couple. It begins with two safes on stage. They're asked ten questions, each with four possible answers (think Millionaire). With each correct answer, they select a money bag, containing an amount ranging from 5 to 100,000. With each incorrect answer, another safe is added to the stage.

After the ten questions, the total money is placed in one of the on-stage safes (depending on how well the couple did, there will be anywhere from two to twelve safes). They then play a game similar to Deal or No Deal - take a buyout amount, or get rid of one of the safes. Lather, rinse, repeat. Ideally, they either stop with a large buyout, or keep the safe with the cash. Otherwise, parting gifts.

So basically, the format comes here, we have no idea what the heck we'll get.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: TLEberle on April 24, 2006, 10:14:01 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'116890\' date=\'Apr 24 2006, 06:33 AM\']
It's at least _different_ enough, although I can't say the concept of the first nine questions being irrelevant and the entire game resting on the tenth one fills me with a warm fuzzy feeling. But I'm also assuming that it will make it to our shores with that format, which is not a safe assumption at all.
[/quote]This is the sort of thing that just makes me shake my head, in much the same way as doubling the points and adding a $5,000 space to the wheel. (see earlier in this thread, I think) I understand why they're done and all, but it doesn't seem hard to create some sort of race to five right, or to a particular dollar amount.

Even so, as Chris said, it could all be for nothing anyway.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 17, 2006, 02:38:23 PM
Looking at the article, could someone explain what "straight barter" and "cash plus" means?

Sorry for reviving the old thread.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on July 17, 2006, 02:46:55 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'124355\' date=\'Jul 17 2006, 11:38 AM\']
Looking at the article, could someone explain what "straight barter" and "cash plus" means?
[/quote]
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I'm under the impression this all means:

"Straight barter" usually means that the syndicator gives you the show, and in return the syndicator gets the majority of the ad time inside of the show, usually leaving one or two local spots for the airing TV station. No actual money changes hands, the syndicator is paid by whatever they can get for the ads.

"Cash plus" is short for "cash plus barter", and it means the station pays for the show partially in cash and partially in ad time. In this case, the airing station would usually retain more ad time than they would in a straight-barter scenario.

Make sense?
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: chris319 on July 17, 2006, 02:48:38 PM
Straight barter means a station runs all of the barter spots contained within the show and pays no money to the syndicator. Cash plus barter means a station pays the syndicator money and runs the barter spots (this would be the case with lower-rated stations where the barter spots won't reach as many viewers).
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on July 17, 2006, 02:52:20 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'124358\' date=\'Jul 17 2006, 11:48 AM\']
Cash plus barter means a station pays the syndicator money and runs the barter spots (this would be the case with lower-rated stations where the barter spots won't reach as many viewers).
[/quote]
Wouldn't it vary sometimes depending on the show, too? For example, I remember when Friends and Seinfeld went syndicated, and the bidding war was insane. Wouldn't those have been done on a cash-plus basis simply because they could get away with it?
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: chris319 on July 17, 2006, 02:59:30 PM
No game show is going to command the same kind of deals as Friends, Seinfeld or even Cosby in its day. Maybe Family Feud at its apex in the '70s - early '80s but no more.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: clemon79 on July 17, 2006, 03:14:29 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'124360\' date=\'Jul 17 2006, 11:59 AM\']
No game show is going to command the same kind of deals as Friends, Seinfeld or even Cosby in its day.
[/quote]
Well, no, of course not. (Not even Wheel or Jeopardy?) I was just suggesting that some shows might go on a cash-plus system because they are so hotly sought after that they can, in addition to those cash-plus deals made with stations to offset what might be poor viewership.
Title: King World/Sony to create new game show block
Post by: NickS on July 17, 2006, 05:36:29 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'124360\' date=\'Jul 17 2006, 01:59 PM\']
No game show is going to command the same kind of deals as Friends, Seinfeld or even Cosby in its day. Maybe Family Feud at its apex in the '70s - early '80s but no more.
[/quote]

Depending on how much Friends was getting first cycle, I'd disagree.  Wheel gets a pretty darn good penny for its license fee, probably passing Friends and tying Seinfeld.

To add to the discussion, the station split between what is straight barter and what's cash-plus makes a world of difference.  If there's barter-only, look for the distributor to get 3.5 minutes of time and the station to get 3.5 minutes of time (not counting the usual 1.5 min. terminal break).  Cash-plus usually makes it 5.5L/1.5N, which is what Wheel and Jeopardy have for their splits.  J! daytime is a cash product, so stations also get that extra 1.5 minutes that the national side would have.

It'll be fun to see what/if any of the groups pitch game-show-wise for fall '07; I would say having the possiblity of two different game launches is something I haven't had a chance to see in my programming years.